Saying it's better/"more favorable to our freedoms" to download music than having large corporations preform some illegal activity is retarded.
The fact is simply that larger corporations/industries have the resources to prosecute "the little guys" and we're just butthurt we can't get back at them.
Apps like Eclipse or OpenOffice are pretty massive though. You can argue other apps with similar functionality (Office, Visual Studio) are just as big and are much faster, but they have custom memory management and aren't compiled from bytecode. It's the price of running platform-independent software.
Oh yeah and I think OpenOffice doesn't run on java, just *with* it for extended functionality. The whole system is p bad though.
I think he has a point here. You have a completely open system available to you, nothing is hidden, all it's code is there for you to make something with it.
We could invent a completely now GUI paradigm that goes beyond windows or menus, develop an algorithm that runs in half the time it's predecessors did...
Well ok... you could do that on any other system. Except in this case the OS doesn't pose any limitations or hindrances that you might have to find a way around.
Okay I obviously lost the argument completely here. XD I'm hanging on the last retarded/surreal/obnoxious option here... can't you return it to the store?
Sorry, I didn't realize that. Nonetheless you have to admit their 'Open Computer' is considerably bigger than Apple's Mac Mini. Of course, at that point it's just an aesthetic choice.
Mac OS (checking the OpenGL profiler) has drivers for 13 graphics card models, that's the "fuel" my "car" runs on. I'm sure there are limitations for ram, cpus and other hardware similarly.
If Psystar (or you) uses a different model, even if it offers the same functionality and something fails, who should be blamed for it? I'd rather Apple told me I can't do stuff than not get support.
I was, of course exaggerating, and yes, my english sucks.
I honestly think EULA's are perfectly valid. You can choose not to 'sign' them by not buying their product if your freedom is such a huge issue. There's always Linux.
If a car ran exclusively on Diesel, could you force the manufaturer to make it run on other motor fuels? Could you force them to support you when you piss in your own gas tank?
If I car only sold with expensive overpriced wheels, could you force the manufacturer to support your cardboard box with tacked on RC-Car wheels from a hobby-shop?
All of the above examples are complete bullshit when applied to a car, so why when we talk about an OS is it magically acceptable?
It won't make technical support any harder. They'll just ask for some form of serial number and once they realize it's a psystar machine and hang up. I wouldn't support someone that did something with my software behind my back (please, don't bring OSS philosophy into this here) either.
They might also release some hardware specific upgrade that might break something. But we've already argued about that enough.
I personally don't give a crap about Apple's reputation, as long as their OS is as fucntional and stable on my machine... they might as well be Dell:)
Er, just drag it into the trash to uninstall, the webkit libraries (or whatever) are somewhere else on the system. Stuff still works. Same with iTunes, or whatever else comes pre-installed.
Also, I have no issues with IE being preinstalled. If it didn't i couldn't download firefox:)
You realize you can pick to not install Safari right? Though they do advertise it as recommended.
Quicktime contains Apple's own codecs for music / media playing that iTunes uses. They really should bundle them separately, but i can just choose not to use them and i'm fine.
Not to mention, iTunes is still waaay better to organize large collections of music than any other app. I love the way they layout the files in the music directory, makes moving it so much easier.
I'm pretty certain both Microsoft and Apple do an assload of testing. Vista might be full of bugs, but i've seen it run (after a lot of work, admittedly) on every 2001+ machine in my building.
Yeah, I'm sure you can tell me stories where it didn't run.
What I'm more surprised about is the fact that Apple, *owning* Infineon, didn't do something about this earlier.
Yea, this is Slashdot! We don't do your kind of random "humor" where you associate tech-celebrities with sex acts.
This is Slashdot! Here we repeat overtired memes over and over! Now repeat after me: "But, does it run Linux?", "Soviet Russia wonders what will happen to Jobs after Apple", "Imagine a beowulf cluster of Apples" AHAHAH that was so funny it brought a tear to my eye. I just wish my fat arms could bend enough to wipe it off...
Jokes aside, all updates - yes, besides entirely new releases like Tiger and Leopard - have always been free. iPhone users get charged, but it's for extra functionality. Security stuff is always free.
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You should try taking that stick out of your ass, though that might leave a hole that could compromise your system.
And at my old job the worst crime was "slacking off". It depends who you ask. Stop talking nonsense.
Still, both are wrong.
Saying it's better/"more favorable to our freedoms" to download music than having large corporations preform some illegal activity is retarded.
The fact is simply that larger corporations/industries have the resources to prosecute "the little guys" and we're just butthurt we can't get back at them.
that *is* the general consensus, though few will want to admit it
same with downloading music, it has drm so they feel they're entitled to torrent it -- but still without paying, of course
and how long does it take / how easy is it to set up gentoo?
Apps like Eclipse or OpenOffice are pretty massive though. You can argue other apps with similar functionality (Office, Visual Studio) are just as big and are much faster, but they have custom memory management and aren't compiled from bytecode. It's the price of running platform-independent software.
Oh yeah and I think OpenOffice doesn't run on java, just *with* it for extended functionality. The whole system is p bad though.
Nerds use DRM as a reason to pirate music and when they remove DRM they still pirate it.
Might as well keep DRM then and stop the minority that don't know how to use bittorrent.
stormy?
I think he has a point here. You have a completely open system available to you, nothing is hidden, all it's code is there for you to make something with it.
We could invent a completely now GUI paradigm that goes beyond windows or menus, develop an algorithm that runs in half the time it's predecessors did...
Well ok... you could do that on any other system. Except in this case the OS doesn't pose any limitations or hindrances that you might have to find a way around.
COME ON PEOPLE, LETS INVENT SOMETHING AWESOME!
*goes back to being mediocre*
Okay I obviously lost the argument completely here. XD I'm hanging on the last retarded/surreal/obnoxious option here... can't you return it to the store?
Sorry, I didn't realize that. Nonetheless you have to admit their 'Open Computer' is considerably bigger than Apple's Mac Mini. Of course, at that point it's just an aesthetic choice.
Mac OS (checking the OpenGL profiler) has drivers for 13 graphics card models, that's the "fuel" my "car" runs on. I'm sure there are limitations for ram, cpus and other hardware similarly.
If Psystar (or you) uses a different model, even if it offers the same functionality and something fails, who should be blamed for it? I'd rather Apple told me I can't do stuff than not get support.
I was, of course exaggerating, and yes, my english sucks.
I honestly think EULA's are perfectly valid. You can choose not to 'sign' them by not buying their product if your freedom is such a huge issue. There's always Linux.
They'd probably still bundle it in with their Macs. They don't have to over-price it for their own hardware, genius.
I love car analogies too!
If a car ran exclusively on Diesel, could you force the manufaturer to make it run on other motor fuels? Could you force them to support you when you piss in your own gas tank?
If I car only sold with expensive overpriced wheels, could you force the manufacturer to support your cardboard box with tacked on RC-Car wheels from a hobby-shop?
All of the above examples are complete bullshit when applied to a car, so why when we talk about an OS is it magically acceptable?
... i have a feeling you don't actually own a Mac. There's a reason we become fanatics. :)
It won't make technical support any harder. They'll just ask for some form of serial number and once they realize it's a psystar machine and hang up. I wouldn't support someone that did something with my software behind my back (please, don't bring OSS philosophy into this here) either.
:)
They might also release some hardware specific upgrade that might break something. But we've already argued about that enough.
I personally don't give a crap about Apple's reputation, as long as their OS is as fucntional and stable on my machine... they might as well be Dell
Nonetheless my *upgrade* is installed on five macs with absolutely no issues.
I'm just worried those jackasses at psystar will spoil it for the rest of us Mac users.
Er, just drag it into the trash to uninstall, the webkit libraries (or whatever) are somewhere else on the system. Stuff still works. Same with iTunes, or whatever else comes pre-installed.
:)
Also, I have no issues with IE being preinstalled. If it didn't i couldn't download firefox
So does linux. But that's what slashdot is for.
You realize you can pick to not install Safari right? Though they do advertise it as recommended.
Quicktime contains Apple's own codecs for music / media playing that iTunes uses. They really should bundle them separately, but i can just choose not to use them and i'm fine.
Not to mention, iTunes is still waaay better to organize large collections of music than any other app. I love the way they layout the files in the music directory, makes moving it so much easier.
So your problem is sorting the files in Finder? There is an option called "Sort by > Kind".
Linux users, do the same too when facing criticism, btw.
I'm pretty certain both Microsoft and Apple do an assload of testing. Vista might be full of bugs, but i've seen it run (after a lot of work, admittedly) on every 2001+ machine in my building.
Yeah, I'm sure you can tell me stories where it didn't run.
What I'm more surprised about is the fact that Apple, *owning* Infineon, didn't do something about this earlier.
Yea, this is Slashdot! We don't do your kind of random "humor" where you associate tech-celebrities with sex acts.
This is Slashdot! Here we repeat overtired memes over and over! Now repeat after me: "But, does it run Linux?", "Soviet Russia wonders what will happen to Jobs after Apple", "Imagine a beowulf cluster of Apples"
AHAHAH that was so funny it brought a tear to my eye. I just wish my fat arms could bend enough to wipe it off...
Except it's a piece of crap. Not easy to get used to.
I doubt Apple will go with it. You can say what you want about the on-screen keyboard, but Apple's interface is the best from all the phones I used.
You'll complain and say your Blackberry or your Windows-based device gives you more power, and I agree, but it definitely isn't as enjoyable to use.
Jokes aside, all updates - yes, besides entirely new releases like Tiger and Leopard - have always been free. iPhone users get charged, but it's for extra functionality. Security stuff is always free.