Even without regarding the issue that some legit customers are unnecessarily restricted by the DRM, all flawed technology should be exposed.
Now, there are nice ways to expose it and not so nice ways to expose it. The best way is to contact the developers privately at first. Then, and *only* if the first method does not work, release the information to the world. I don't know if that is how it happened here, but either way I think Apple now knows about the problem. And they probably have for a while.
When a problem like this is brought to light, then it should be fixed. Furthemore, if the person who exploited it tried the nice way first, I think they should be thanked... not litigated against.
Both my father and I qualified for Mensa. Even though we disagree on many important life issues and qualified at times more than 20 years apart, we both found the membership of our local chapters to be filled with extremely misguided and, frankly, annoyingly pompous people.
That's not to say everyone in Mensa is that way, but we both chose not to associate with a group that seemed to base its membership requirements on ideals that commonly (though not always) predicate extreme arrogance.
I think he is pessimistic to indicate that there is not silver bullet.
His basic premise is that no (current) technology can create "security". Security must be a balancing act between technology, good administration, training, policy, etc.
True, he does do the "anti" thing a lot, but I think he just gets frustrated when companies like Microsoft try to push the idea that Technology X = Security.
That would be the case for linked code under the LGPL right? For GPL, derivative works would include adding any amount of code to the original GPLed codebase.
Thus, the newly written stuff would still be protected no matter what context he wrote them in... I think. I don't think there's too much case law to say how it would go in court, though.
Rusty on k5 recently pointed out an interesting scam that works against captchas like this.
Apparently spammers were putting up free porn sites, but to get the free porn you had to enter the answers to captcha prompts that were scraped from other sites. People love their porn, so this gave them thousands of valid captcha responses.
People in these industries are evil, yet seemingly very creative.
I'm fairly sure that *something* was going on... make sure that you take a look at all of the posts on the site, particularly the one that questions the "DNS" claim.
You are right, though, I can't say with 100% confidence that they did anything underhanded.
Check out some snippets of my log [gregduffy.com] for the major spiders.
Googlebot visited every few days with gaps of at most a couple of days... magically around the time the article was posted (but not exactly the time) an 8 day gap appears. During this time, thousands of people were successfully visiting my site (with no DNS errors), including Yahoo's and MSN's spider (also in the directory). Maybe Google was having a localized DNS problem. Who knows?
My listing on Google reappeared soon after they 1) took down Google Print results from the main search page, 2) make a trivial patch to use dynamic stopwords on page numbers (doesn't fix the main problem), and 3) put Google print back in the main search results.
I dunno what happened. I don't want to put on the tinfoil hat, but it is still really weird. Again, that's the only claim I'm making: It's really weird.
"EJB stuff" is part of the application/web container... much like you'll need IIS to run ASP.NET.
The JRE is perfectly capable of running the application/web container as well as anything else you produce with the JDK... hence why it is called the runtime environment.
From a cursory inspection, it seems pretty fair to compare the JRE to the.NET redistributable because they have similar functionality... much like you could compare the JDK to the.NET SDK.
However, I'd like to see a side-by-side of their class libraries before I can say anything concrete. Anyone got a link?
Because their whole business is in selling "the stack." They don't want you to just buy Windows. They want you to buy into all of the fluff, Active Directory,.NET, IIS, etc. Because it all works "seamlessly" together (wink).
I'm not a fan of windows (or Microsoft) either, but I don't think you know what you are talking about.
When I worked at MS, I knew several guys on the windows team who had stripped the kernel, filesystem, and a few utilities out of the source tree and built a miniature version of windows without the fluff.
Who's to say this wouldn't work pretty well for scientific computing (very little need for GUI, all of the user space crap, IE, drivers, etc)?
Sure, Linux might be more customizable, and I would definitely use it over windows if I were building a cluster. That's just out of personal preference, because it's possible that microsoft *would* allow code viewing and customization for this sort of thing if needed. However, more likely that they will tailor it a bit for each installation in house... taking that responsiblity away from the institution they are selling too (that is what they are paid for).
I'm just pretty damned sure that you don't know enough about the windows kernel or base system to determine anything about how it is designed or what it is capable of. Show me some numbers or some kind of verification. AFAIK (which is more than you), the base stuff really isn't bad, it's all the fuzz on top that gets them into trouble.
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Even without regarding the issue that some legit customers are unnecessarily restricted by the DRM, all flawed technology should be exposed.
... not litigated against.
Now, there are nice ways to expose it and not so nice ways to expose it. The best way is to contact the developers privately at first. Then, and *only* if the first method does not work, release the information to the world. I don't know if that is how it happened here, but either way I think Apple now knows about the problem. And they probably have for a while.
When a problem like this is brought to light, then it should be fixed. Furthemore, if the person who exploited it tried the nice way first, I think they should be thanked
Learn to use preview, Mr. Perens :)
Just attach the "phone finder" feature to the local tornado warning system ...
Nope, this would indicate that they definitely want to "secure content" for the publishers who submit books.
Both my father and I qualified for Mensa. Even though we disagree on many important life issues and qualified at times more than 20 years apart, we both found the membership of our local chapters to be filled with extremely misguided and, frankly, annoyingly pompous people.
That's not to say everyone in Mensa is that way, but we both chose not to associate with a group that seemed to base its membership requirements on ideals that commonly (though not always) predicate extreme arrogance.
Because that would be scary ... ok? Thanks.
I think he is pessimistic to indicate that there is not silver bullet.
His basic premise is that no (current) technology can create "security". Security must be a balancing act between technology, good administration, training, policy, etc.
True, he does do the "anti" thing a lot, but I think he just gets frustrated when companies like Microsoft try to push the idea that Technology X = Security.
That would be the case for linked code under the LGPL right? For GPL, derivative works would include adding any amount of code to the original GPLed codebase.
... I think. I don't think there's too much case law to say how it would go in court, though.
Thus, the newly written stuff would still be protected no matter what context he wrote them in
Rusty on k5 recently pointed out an interesting scam that works against captchas like this.
Apparently spammers were putting up free porn sites, but to get the free porn you had to enter the answers to captcha prompts that were scraped from other sites. People love their porn, so this gave them thousands of valid captcha responses.
People in these industries are evil, yet seemingly very creative.
I'm assuming that you didn't RTFA and are just writing random shit in hopes that you will get modded up?
Maybe I should join in: I'm assuming that this guy didn't just print out grayscale pictures and watercolor them. That's just about as relevant.
If this was intended to be funny, it isn't. If this was intended to be insightful, it isn't. Please go back to the forum from whence you came.
I'm fairly sure that *something* was going on ... make sure that you take a look at all of the posts on the site, particularly the one that questions the "DNS" claim.
... magically around the time the article was posted (but not exactly the time) an 8 day gap appears. During this time, thousands of people were successfully visiting my site (with no DNS errors), including Yahoo's and MSN's spider (also in the directory). Maybe Google was having a localized DNS problem. Who knows?
You are right, though, I can't say with 100% confidence that they did anything underhanded.
Check out some snippets of my log [gregduffy.com] for the major spiders.
Googlebot visited every few days with gaps of at most a couple of days
My listing on Google reappeared soon after they 1) took down Google Print results from the main search page, 2) make a trivial patch to use dynamic stopwords on page numbers (doesn't fix the main problem), and 3) put Google print back in the main search results.
I dunno what happened. I don't want to put on the tinfoil hat, but it is still really weird. Again, that's the only claim I'm making: It's really weird.
"Less" is "more". Ahem.
A lot less than the $0 I paid them to try to get this posted.
I know, but the thread had the word "shameless" in it, mod me down if you must.
"EJB stuff" is part of the application/web container ... much like you'll need IIS to run ASP.NET.
... hence why it is called the runtime environment.
.NET redistributable because they have similar functionality ... much like you could compare the JDK to the .NET SDK.
The JRE is perfectly capable of running the application/web container as well as anything else you produce with the JDK
From a cursory inspection, it seems pretty fair to compare the JRE to the
However, I'd like to see a side-by-side of their class libraries before I can say anything concrete. Anyone got a link?
I, for one, welcome our new fruity deities.
"... no amount of isometrics or other exercise will help."
I resent that.
Because their whole business is in selling "the stack." They don't want you to just buy Windows. They want you to buy into all of the fluff, Active Directory, .NET, IIS, etc. Because it all works "seamlessly" together (wink).
I'm not a fan of windows (or Microsoft) either, but I don't think you know what you are talking about. When I worked at MS, I knew several guys on the windows team who had stripped the kernel, filesystem, and a few utilities out of the source tree and built a miniature version of windows without the fluff. Who's to say this wouldn't work pretty well for scientific computing (very little need for GUI, all of the user space crap, IE, drivers, etc)? Sure, Linux might be more customizable, and I would definitely use it over windows if I were building a cluster. That's just out of personal preference, because it's possible that microsoft *would* allow code viewing and customization for this sort of thing if needed. However, more likely that they will tailor it a bit for each installation in house ... taking that responsiblity away from the institution they are selling too (that is what they are paid for).
I'm just pretty damned sure that you don't know enough about the windows kernel or base system to determine anything about how it is designed or what it is capable of. Show me some numbers or some kind of verification. AFAIK (which is more than you), the base stuff really isn't bad, it's all the fuzz on top that gets them into trouble.
HAND.
because
Aww, don't feed the trolls man. You don't need to prove anything.
What if you are motivated by political reasons? :-p
Webdav works great for me with the Apache Tomcat sample webdav app and Windows XP ... just use the "My Network Places" feature ...
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Science: Scientists Discover That Water Isn't WetPosted by timothy on Thursday February 17, @03:00PM
Yeah ... I can see it now ...
Jobs: "Porn on every Macintosh!!!! Vive la Revolucion!!"
7.5? 13? I'm guessing you aren't the one who broke SHA-1 ... :-p