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Colorizing Images and Video by Scribbling

Guspaz writes "Up until now, colorizing a video or image has been a painstaking and mostly manual task. However, researchers in Israel have come up with a new way of colorizing images just by making a few scribbles. The technique works on the premise that 'neighboring pixels in space-time that have similar intensities should have similar colors,' and also allows colorization of videos by 'marking' about one in ten frames."

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  1. so... by subrama6 · · Score: 1, Funny

    they extended the paint bucket to the 4th dimension?

    1. Re:so... by SimHacker · · Score: 0, Troll
      No, just the third. Video only has two dimensions.

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    2. Re:so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Video only has two dimensions.

      Hmmm, No. What about time or if you want to get technical "the cone of events".

    3. Re:so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *cough* Z-buffer *cough*

    4. Re:so... by SimHacker · · Score: 1
      Let's count the dimensions of video: There's X. There's Y. There's time. There isn't any Z buffer. So far I've counted three. What total did you come up with?

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    5. Re:so... by jacksonj04 · · Score: 0

      Your TV lacks a Z axis, at least the image does.

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    6. Re:so... by Nos. · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, now if you include audio (debatable since you did say count the dimensions of video - but just for the fun of it...):
      Since audio, or sound, is a wave that travels through three dimensions, I guess we could say that video (assumming it has audio included) does end up with 4 dimensions. Otherwise, I'd say your correct. Of course when most people think three dimensions, they think X,Y,Z not X,Y,time

    7. Re:so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you just said X and Y, and admitted time.
      Most physiscs geeks I know call time a dimension. Whether you do or don't is really not up for argument.

      Granted, we don't preceive time as a dimension, so, to us, video is 2 dimensions +1 (time.)

      I'll go fourth and call video 2.1 dimensions, sort of like how Dolby (or whoever) created the 5.1 (5 discrete channels, plus low frequency effects) surround system.

    8. Re:so... by SimHacker · · Score: 1
      IF you count audio, then you might as well count it twice for stereo, and claim that video is 5-dimensional. Or even more, if you have surround sound. Might as well multiply that by two because most people have two eyes. Oh, don't forget the two ears. What are we up to, now? I lost count.

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    9. Re:so... by Nos. · · Score: 1

      None of that is an extra dimension though.

    10. Re:so... by modecx · · Score: 1

      Depends on what video system, I say.
      I'd go as far to say that each color space is it's own pair of dimensions.

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    11. Re:so... by SimHacker · · Score: 1
      Now I'm really confused. So you're saying the first channel of sound counts as a dimension, but the others don't? If that's true, then how big a leap is it to multiply by the number of sense organs?

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    12. Re:so... by SimHacker · · Score: 0
      You forgot the dimension of Smell, pioneered by John Waters' Polyester, and the bankrupt dot-com company iSmell.

      As long as we're counting Z buffers, what about texture map coordinate buffers (UV), or object identity buffers (ID), or transparency buffers (Alpha), or any of the other millions of buffers you could theoretically overlay on a 2D image? Photoshop supports arbitrary numbers of layers and channels.

      Oh, we were discussing DIMENSIONS of video, not LAYERS of PSD files? Never mind.

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    13. Re:so... by Nos. · · Score: 1
      Okay, lets try this from the begining...

      Video is normally thought of as two dimensional, lets call these dimensions Length and Width. For example, you could download a video of the internet that is 740x480. Now, you could also say that video has a third dimension, time.

      However, if we add audio in, then we have to look at how many dimensions audio(sound) exists in. Regardless of the digital compression, number of channels, bitrate, etc, sound exists in three dimensions, Length, Width and Depth. Sound is a wave that will travel through a medium such as the atmosphere. You could say sound also exists in the 4th dimension, time.

      So, to sum up the dimensions:

      • Length
      • Width
      • Time
      • Depth
      Or, 4 Dimensions.
    14. Re:so... by jacksonj04 · · Score: 0

      Z-Axis != Z-Buffer

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    15. Re:so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, they're not the same thing. The Z-buffer acts as a virtual Z-axis for compositing and image editing purposes. Though I was modded down as "redundant," I'm still right =)

  2. Help! by Kimos · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm colorblind! That whole site is very confusing! :P

  3. Re:Ummmmm by cmburns69 · · Score: 1

    But does the fill utility in paint work across time as well?

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  4. A play on history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Back when voyager(s) were flying by planets I recall reading how the cameras worked. From what I remember, the cameras actually capture images in black and white. The cameras can detect much more "color" depth than color cameras could (or can?). The scientist would process the pictures to colorize them, you identify one area of color you know and the algorithm would process the rest of the 1 billion shades of gray into a color mapping for people to view. Now why cant identify this gray shade as the color red; anytime you see it then that is red. Go on for each color spectrum or have the algorithm adjust what a little red hue is for a given little hue of gray. It appears that is what the scribbles are doing which is quite clever and the algorithm doesn't have to work (guess) so much.

    1. Re:A play on history by srmalloy · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem with doing this is that, for any given camera, there will be a band of RGB color combinations that produce the same luminosity, so a single camera does not provide enough information to produce a full-color image. It requires several cameras, each filtered to a different spectral range, to be able to produce a full-color image, unless you know in advance that your image is monochrome.

    2. Re:A play on history by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      Which is how the old (1986) Newtek (pre video Toaster) Digiview Digitizer for the Amiga computer worked. You had one monochrome camera and attached a filter wheel to it. The filter wheel had red, green and blue filters. You took three pics and the software combined them into a color image.
      And yes kids that's how difficult it was to digitize porno mags back in the '80s.

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  5. Photoshop by FoXDie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Personally I can't wait until there is a Photoshop filter for this. :D

    1. Re:Photoshop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Personally I can't wait until there is a Photoshop filter for this. :D
      You have misspelled Gimp..

    2. Re:Photoshop by pavon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No kidding. Even if you are not doing colorization, the boundry detection algorithm he is using kicks ass over the "magic wand" tools in both photoshop and gimp. Perhaps it is the fact that it is doing several "magic wands" at once and boundries are determined by what matches the best, rather than just "does this match good enough".

    3. Re:Photoshop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You seem to have mistaken the Gimp for a program with usability.

    4. Re:Photoshop by MankyD · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Im not sure about that. I'm taking a wild guess, but I believe they simply start propogating out from all scribbles, so that, as the growth of two colors approach each other, the stronger one wins out. The wand tool in photoshop starts only from the point you click (rather than the 10+ scribbles in this algorithm). There's no competing areas of propagation.

      Create a magic wand tool that requires multiple clicks on the various regions of the image and you'd have pretty good results.

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    5. Re:Photoshop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No, since Photoshop is immensely better than The GIMP, from both a functional and aesthetic viewpoint.

    6. Re:Photoshop by nsasch · · Score: 1

      I've always found the problem of photo editing to be editing colors in bulk. The magic wand is great until you have a light blue background and dark blue letters, and selecting the background selects edges of the letters. What I think would be nice is a way to specify the accuracy of the magic wand. Also, maybe I'm missing a feature, but I'd love to change all blue colors in the photo to the same shading, except in red, for example.

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    7. Re:Photoshop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can do this in photoshop with a channel mixer layer. Mask out the other blue stuff you don't want reddened, then mix blue input into red output.

    8. Re:Photoshop by mikael · · Score: 1

      This is an image processing technique known as segmentation, which is an active area of research. Combined with "texture classification", and you can easily break up a scene into regions of distinct visual appearance.

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    9. Re:Photoshop by emanuelez · · Score: 0

      Let's not forget this is all working in YUV colorspace! So this "magic wand" is working only on the grey channel... this surely speeds it up.

    10. Re:Photoshop by Xoder · · Score: 1

      In the Gimp, you can change the sensitivity. When you click on the Magic Wand ("fuzzy select" they call it), you will see a slider marked "Threshold". The larger this number, the more forgiving the fuzzy select is.

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    11. Re:Photoshop by jovlinger · · Score: 1

      I _like_ that idea: have serveral magic wands active at the same time. To inhibit one wand, start another, in the region where you don't want the first to go.

    12. Re:Photoshop by bbc · · Score: 1

      "No, since Photoshop is immensely better than The GIMP, from both a functional and aesthetic viewpoint."

      Unless Adobe start granting scientists access to the source code of Photoshop, it is a pretty safe bet this technique will be implemented in GIMP first.

      As for your unqualified comment that "X is better than Y, so there" ... should I really reply to that?

    13. Re:Photoshop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention, once there's a Photoshop Plug-in, it may work with software other than photoshop. *cough*Paint Shop Pro*cough*

    14. Re:Photoshop by Lady+Jazzica · · Score: 1

      Your link doesn't work. Try this instead: segmentation

    15. Re:Photoshop by zeno_2 · · Score: 1

      Theres also a tolerance setting at the top left of the screen when you have the magic wand out. If you set this to a low number, it'll pretty much just grab the color that you click on, but as you increase that number, it starts grabbing more. Im not a photoshop expert but i believe thats what that setting is for.

    16. Re:Photoshop by bedessen · · Score: 1

      Wow, the FUD is pretty thick there.

      The photoshop SDK is non-free ($195) but anyone can obtain it. After that you can write plugins that do just about anything, and you can distribute them however you want.

      I'm sure there are lots of plugin authors that already have the SDK and could download the matlab files from the authors of this paper and take a stab at implementing it as a plugin.

      If you hadn't noticed, there are thousands of Photoshop plugins, both free and commercial, and none of them require Adobe to open the "source code of photoshop".

  6. Im assuming by FinchWorld · · Score: 0

    it doesn't just fill an area where all the pixals are the same, instead it finds similar pixals, and fills them, and varies them according to what they where orginally like? [p] Otherwise title should be "Over payed digital art programmers discover MS paint". [/p]

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    1. Re:Im assuming by FinchWorld · · Score: 1

      Crap! Forgot I was using html:p

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    2. Re:Im assuming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and English.

    3. Re:Im assuming by isometrick · · Score: 0

      I'm assuming that you didn't RTFA and are just writing random shit in hopes that you will get modded up?

      Maybe I should join in: I'm assuming that this guy didn't just print out grayscale pictures and watercolor them. That's just about as relevant.

      If this was intended to be funny, it isn't. If this was intended to be insightful, it isn't. Please go back to the forum from whence you came.

    4. Re:Im assuming by FinchWorld · · Score: 1
      I'm assuming that you didn't RTFA and are just writing random shit in hopes that you will get modded up?

      I like the way you wrote that, just to get modded up, classic move, hell, now you're going to point out i wrote this to get modded up? Who cares about karma, I sure as hell don't give a damn about yours.

      And FYI, no I didn't read the, as you so nicely put it, "Fucking article" because of a little thing people called the /. effect.

      And in anycase /.'s are often better at explaining this stuff than the people making it (Some how, agsinst logic).

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    5. Re:Im assuming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could try the google cache. It would have explained why you comment was so pointless.

  7. TBS! by Reignking · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I wonder if the actual quality will improve, though -- colorized films still look, well, colorized. You can tell in 1 second...

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    1. Re:TBS! by Manchot · · Score: 1

      Part of the reason that colorized films look colorized has nothing to do with the technology. Black and white filming required that different types of colors be used than in real life to get a better picture. For example, the makeup that actors wore actually had a greenish tint, so that they'd stand out better. A similar scheme was often used for props as well. The result is that when we see the colorized version, it looks funny to us, even if it captures the original colors perfectly.

    2. Re:TBS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you RTA, you will see that at least some of the video clips have a colorized look to them.

      The toddler one looks the most normal to me. The Crater Lake one has the most obviously colorized look.

      It may have to do with the particular colors they chose to fill in areas. Also, coloring in a distant view of a landscape must still be very difficult. Imagine filling in a field of wildflowers, or a view of the fall foliage of deciduous trees.

  8. Seems simple but... by suso · · Score: 5, Interesting

    from looking at the before and after images, this technique looks pretty cool and will probably have applications for recoloring an image that is already color. For instance, the image where he recolors the fabric on the chair.

    1. Re:Seems simple but... by tehshen · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I agree, this does look cool, but there are already colorization tools and Photoshop filters out there - how does this stack up against them? The article says these are "tedious, time-consuming, and expensive tasks", but does not mention the speed of their own scribble method. Using older colorization methods may be preferable if time is an issue.

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    2. Re:Seems simple but... by benjcurry · · Score: 1

      Well, they seem to be saying that just a few strokes of the desired colors in certain areas, then press "go". I have experience doing some of these things in Photoshop and Gimp, and it's a bitch to get the quality they show in their "after" images.

    3. Re:Seems simple but... by CheeseburgerBlue · · Score: 1

      ...For instance, the image where he recolors the fabric on the chair.

      That's already easy as pie, with today's standard compositing software.

      I do it for a living.

    4. Re:Seems simple but... by CheeseburgerBlue · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because people use Avid for high-end compositing. You are a coward, anonymous -- and a lying one, to boot.

  9. Re:Ummmmm by Kimos · · Score: 1

    The emphasis is on blends and shading. Take one of those pictures and try it in paint... I'm pretty sure the result will be QUITE different!

  10. Re:Let me be the first to say... by kotku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Video Compression !

    Only save the intensity channel and a few bits of markup and you compress the stream quite a bit.

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  11. Awesome! by JesusCigarettes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now it's even easier for corporations re-releasing films to completely destroy the original beauty of a film by adding unnatural and unnecessary color!

    Coming soon, new dubbing techniques will allow easy substitution of the original actors' voices and dialogue with trite teen-angst to appeal to younger generations.

    1. Re:Awesome! by CdBee · · Score: 1

      The obvious extension of this is to run software which can identify objects in film and track their motion. Then you apply colour to the 3D digital copy of the item, implant it back into the film and have the original shading information from the B&W film cast on top of the coloured, reimplanted, object.

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    2. Re:Awesome! by mzwaterski · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then don't watch the re-released version. I mean come on, of all things to complain about. "Some company has the ability to change something I like into a form that other people will like."

    3. Re:Awesome! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
      Or indeed just do everything on a computer to start with.

      Second thoughts, belay that; silly idea!

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    4. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      more like "a form that other people will buy" -- nobody watches a colorized film more than once. Take the magic and imagination out and art just isn't that compelling. People will indeed buy it though.

    5. Re:Awesome! by worst_name_ever · · Score: 4, Funny
      Coming soon, new dubbing techniques will allow easy substitution of the original actors' voices and dialogue with trite teen-angst

      Are you listening, Mr. Lucas?

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    6. Re:Awesome! by tgd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You mean like dubbing Mel Gibson in Mad Max?

      It happens already.

    7. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if there is no re-released version? Also,colorization destroys the dynamic range of the light shadding of a film, so, NO, you can't just turn the color off.

    8. Re:Awesome! by sgant · · Score: 1

      This doesn't stand up though..as colorized films have failed big time. They were a fad for a while, but it just petered out.

      But I have a big problem with colorizing films anyway. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean it should be done. The weak weak argument that "the kids won't watch it" fell on it's ass as the kids didn't watch the colorized crap either! Not to mention that at the time when colorizing was huge, music videos were the rage...and about half of them were in B&W!

      Also, why don't they colorize the newer movies like Manhatten or Schindler's List or even Pleasantville to be 100% color? How about starting Pleasantville as color and have it slowly go to B&W? Sure, why not...the "kids won't watch it!"

      Or how about this, instead of fucking with everyone else's work, they go out and make their own fucking movies!

      What's next? Don't like an actor because of his political affiliations so there will be a technique to replace actors in a movie with a different actor whom you agree more with? "the kids won't watch so-n-so because he said something bad about President so-n-so, so we've gone back and taken him out of this movie and replaced him with someone more pleasant".

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    9. Re:Awesome! by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1
      Now it's even easier for corporations re-releasing films to completely destroy the original beauty of a film by adding unnatural and unnecessary color!

      You mean as opposed to Technicolor?

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    10. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the market exists the product will sell. If the market doesn't exist the product and probably the company will fail. What is your big beef with economics? Colorizing a movie doesn't preclude you from viewing the non-colorized version.

    11. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " This doesn't stand up though..as colorized films have failed big time. They were a fad for a while, but it just petered out."

      They also looked like shit. Either creepy in a zombie like manner or all cartoony taking away the idea of the original. I remember when these started coming out because I was taking a film course and my prof was just utterly nutty over the idea that someone would ruin the film -- after seeing he results (which he brought in on a laserdisc), I could agree.

      However, this technique actually looks good in comparison. I was surprised how good it actually looked.

      But even shows like Schindler's list or Pleasantville had color in it. I never watched more than 5 minutes of Pleasantville, but didn't it start selfcoloring itself as it went along? In Schindlers list, there were items in there that were in color in start contrast to the rest -- was Spielberg wrong to do this? How much did it cost for him to recolor all this by hand, where as with this technique he could have done the same thing with a lot less time.

      No one is saying this technique is going to be used solely for coloring video that the artist didn't want -- but if you can use this technique for art sake, why not?

    12. Re:Awesome! by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      "Now it's even easier for corporations re-releasing films to completely destroy the original beauty of a film by adding unnatural and unnecessary color! Coming soon, new dubbing techniques will allow easy substitution of the original actors' voices and dialogue with trite teen-angst to appeal to younger generations."

      Oh come off it you load of flamebait. Nobody is threatening your precious black and white films. If people want to watch the originals, they will. If they want to watch a new colorized version, they will. And you are not the one to judge which is the best. I happen to absolutely HATE dubbed anime (your second example), yet I think its the coolest thing in the world that we are starting to see FAN-dubs popping up. Fans now have the power to do things that used to require major studios. How can you fail to see the coolness of the technology in that?

      But I guess your post had absolutely nothing to do with the article at hand, and everything to do with trying to be an elitist movie prick who tries to impose his views on others.

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    13. Re:Awesome! by JesusCigarettes · · Score: 1

      Me: Haha, I'm going to make a joke about badly colored movies. Everyone Else: You're a movie snob! Colorized movies is t3h r0x0rz! Next time, I'll be sure to include a /sarcasm tag so it's more evident that I'm not really making a comment on the article at all.

    14. Re:Awesome! by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      No one is saying this technique is going to be used solely for coloring video that the artist didn't want -- but if you can use this technique for art sake, why not?

      Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow was shot in B&W and then colorized, presumably to give it a "retro-futuristic" look. The device works rather well in the context of the film. I was halfway through the film before I realized what they must have done to give it that otherworldly look.

    15. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Internet is a communication tool used the world over where people can come together to bitch about movies and share pornography with one another.

    16. Re:Awesome! by man_ls · · Score: 1

      Sky Captain wasn't "filmed" much at all.

      The entire thing was green-screened in...all the backgrounds were CGI, the actors were real though.

      So I don't know if that makes sense...

    17. Re:Awesome! by StalinsNotDead · · Score: 1

      Colorizing a movie doesn't preclude you from viewing the non-colorized version.

      It would if Star Wars had been in Black & White.

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    18. Re:Awesome! by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      If you had made a joke about colorized movies that would be fine. But you didn't, bitched and moaned about how this is going to ruin black and white films. One of those would have been funny. Here's a hint, it wasn't the one you used.

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    19. Re:Awesome! by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      The entire thing was green-screened in...all the backgrounds were CGI, the actors were real though.

      So I don't know if that makes sense...


      The actors were filmed in black & white and then colorized

    20. Re:Awesome! by FLEB · · Score: 1

      Just turn down your TV's "Color" knob all the way... was it really that difficult?

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    21. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The actors were filmed digitally, as was the entire movie. The color information was there when needed, they simply used a color process for the film transfer that was more stylized than realistic. No Ted Turner work there, just standard color work.

    22. Re:Awesome! by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      The actors were filmed digitally, as was the entire movie. The color information was there when needed, they simply used a color process for the film transfer that was more stylized than realistic. No Ted Turner work there, just standard color work.

      That's not what it says in the documentary on the DVD, or here, where it shows how color was "washed over the black-and-white composite to create the film's unique look."

  12. Unfuckingbelievable. by syukton · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Their site is going to get slashdotted real quick. Lots of content on there. It's beautiful. It's ... it's amazing what they've done with so little effort.

    I am so curious what this could do for so many old movies...

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    1. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by nacturation · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am so curious what this could do for so many old movies...

      Ruin them? :) A lot of the appeal of older B&W movies is the fact that they aren't in color. You get a much broader range of contrast when it's filmed on B&W film than a color image which has been desaturated.

      If you meant older color movies which have degraded, then I agree. This seems like a very useful technique for restoring the original vibrancy of colors to films whose media hasn't stood the test of time.

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    2. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by Issue9mm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't necessarily believe that old black and white movies are good BECAUSE they are black and white. Granted, a lot of "colorized" movies look like crap, and I'll also grant you that a lot of black and white movies are good. I think that the correlation between the two is probably imagined. Colorizing a good movie doesn't necessarily lessen the movie, and can add considerably to it I'd say. The act of adding color (if done well), by itself, is not going to ruin the movie, in my opinion. Adding color, and doing it poorly could, but that's neither here nor there.

      -9mm-

    3. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by micromoog · · Score: 1

      Colorizing a black and white movie is adding something that the director did not put there. And generally, he's dead, so you can't consult him about it.

    4. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by Reignking · · Score: 0

      That's fine, if they've bought the rights, like Ted Turner did with plenty of movies, and then colorized them...

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    5. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by roror · · Score: 1

      That is a good point.

      Also, the appeal of b&w picture (movie) is that there is no color to distract you from the form of the picture. There are some situations where black and white are incredibly powerful.

      Although, I agree you can never show how red was the sunset ..

    6. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by thatnerdguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The director didn't add colour because he probably couldn't! The question is would he have wanted to see the movie in colour if available?

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    7. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. The directors didn't have a fucking choice, unless you expected them to magically pull a two- or three-color process out of their ass, at a time when the majority of films were on nitrate stock.

      I'd like to see classic movies released on DVD with both versions. That way, the anal-retentive purists get their way, and anyone who wants can choose to watch the colorized version (or not to watch it).

    8. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by micromoog · · Score: 0
      I'm sure Beethoven would have included electric guitar solos in his works, had they been available. So let's add them.

      A lot of directors (most notably Hitchcock) continued to work in black & white long after color was available.

    9. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by micromoog · · Score: 1

      I suppose, then, you wouldn't mind if Michael Jackson decided to add new backing vocals and some kickin' breaks to the original Beatles collection, and re-released them? He bought the rights, after all.

    10. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by MenTaLguY · · Score: 1

      Well, to be fair it's very possible the director might have made different cinematographic choices if he'd had color to work with.

      On the other hand, in cases where the director is DEAD... chances are he either doesn't care anymore or has bigger issues to worry about.

      From a historical perspective I do think it's a shame if the original versions are lost or suppressed, but otherwise the result of colorization or anything else deserves to be judged on its own merits. Not whether it might offend dead people.

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    11. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by Reignking · · Score: 0

      He can do whatever he wants. That doesn't mean that I have to listen to it (or watch colorized, old movies, either).

      Besides, he might need to do something to raise funds for any possible civil suits!

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    12. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by syukton · · Score: 1

      I meant black and white movies. I'm not saying we should colorize them and then burn the originals though, which is how you appear to be interpreting it. I'm saying that providing the option of watching an old movie in color may revitalize many old movies and television shows, allowing them to be rehashed and rerun for more corporate profit.

      You don't think hollywood would want to re-release older movies or television shows to a younger generation to milk the franchise one more time? The content has already been made, it just needs to be brought up to speed to be appealing to the youth of today.

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    13. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by nacturation · · Score: 1

      You don't think hollywood would want to re-release older movies or television shows to a younger generation to milk the franchise one more time? The content has already been made, it just needs to be brought up to speed to be appealing to the youth of today.

      I thought the usual formula of bringing old movies up to speed and *trying* to appeal to the youth of today was to add Ben Affleck and re-shoot. Of course, shoot Ben Affleck and re-add might be preferable to most.

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    14. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      they might not be good because they're bw, BUT: coloring them will do zero to improve the quality.

      and they don't do it properly ever. if you're goin gto do that you might as well make a full remake of it(when thinking in hollywood terms).

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    15. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by DaChesserCat · · Score: 0

      Electric guitar solos in Beethoven's work? O.k.

      And yes, it SERIOUSLY ROCKS! Don't know if he would've included it, but I like it.

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    16. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by tgibbs · · Score: 1

      I meant black and white movies. I'm not saying we should colorize them and then burn the originals though, which is how you appear to be interpreting it. I'm saying that providing the option of watching an old movie in color may revitalize many old movies and television shows, allowing them to be rehashed and rerun for more corporate profit.

      I wouldn't care to watch a classic old movie with added color. Doubtless, in many cases the director would probably have used color if he could have, but the movie he made was made for the constraints that existed at the time.

      Nevertheless, colorizing old movies increases their accessibility to younger audiences. Considering that the alternative is often to remake the entire movie, usually with a lesser director, it may often be the lesser evil. And we can hope that some people will enjoy the colorized versions enough to want to see them "in the original."

      Besides, the examples on the site appear to be from home movies, not "Citizen Kane." We are not dealing with a great auteur here, and if people would like to see Mom's old home movies in color, why not?

    17. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by VAXcat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      For another modern interpretation of Beethoven with electric guitars, check out The Great Kat.

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    18. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by Derling+Whirvish · · Score: 1
      The director didn't add colour because he probably couldn't! The question is would he have wanted to see the movie in colour if available?

      For a great example see any of the Busby Berkeley extravaganzas such as "Golddiggers of 1933." If he could have done that in color he would have.

    19. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by beetlefeet · · Score: 2, Informative
      You get a much broader range of contrast when it's filmed on B&W film than a color image which has been desaturated.


      A colour image is desaturated compared to a B&W image? Hello McFly?

      Please look up saturation in regard to colour.

      Hint: Try raising the saturation of a colour image in photoshop or gimp (ctrl-u in photoshop). Observe. Then try using the "Desaturate" function and see what you get.
    20. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by nacturation · · Score: 1

      You misunderstood what I was saying, so I'll restate. B&W film has a broader range of contrast than [color film which has been desaturated in order to produce a B&W look].

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    21. Re:Unfuckingbelievable. by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Any decent photographer would disagree with that. A black and white film is good for the same qualities that make a black and white photo good. And composing to make a good black and white shot isn't nessesarly going to make a good color shot, and visa versa.

  13. Mirror of the site, with images by hankwang · · Score: 2, Informative
    This page is over 10 MB, so it's electable as the fasted slashdotted site ever.

    Here is the coralized mirror.

    1. Re:Mirror of the site, with images by hankwang · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Mirror of the site, with images by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't that be 'Colorized mirror'?

  14. I sure hope they can patent this... by Deep+Fried+Geekboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and raise enought money to rebuild the smoking ruins of their server room.

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    1. Re:I sure hope they can patent this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What! Patent a piece of SOFTWARE!?! An ALGORITHM!?!

      This is Slashdot, remember? We don't DO patents!

    2. Re:I sure hope they can patent this... by beef3k · · Score: 1

      You can't patent something you've already published in a paper (neither can anyone else).

  15. That's nothing... by TheBrakShow · · Score: 3, Funny

    The folks at slashdot can take down a webserver just by making a few scribbles on their website.

  16. Re:Ummmmm by maotx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Isn't that just a fill tool? Paint does that.

    No. Fill just goes until it meets a boundary. This colorization is a lot smarter than that. It appears to notice the boundarys by the sudden changes of the temperature in the color of pixels. That way it can then make an educated guess on how much to color and when to stop. You can then optimize this by putting in more than one input of the colors you want to change. This effect is really quite amazing. Scroll down and look at the gif video of the birthday party. JUST AMAZING.

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  17. Re:Let me be the first to say... by nogginthenog · · Score: 2, Funny

    Already done. It's called NTSC!

  18. If only the walls were breathing... by DeckardJK · · Score: 2, Funny

    Looks like a very cool idea. The videos are pretty amazing, however; the recolor job in the birthday party clip makes it look like a bad acid trip.

  19. google cache by dirvish · · Score: 1, Informative
    1. Re:google cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God, stop posting fucking google caches to karma whore, there's a lot better mirroring solutions out there, especially for graphics intensive sites, asshole.

    2. Re:google cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know it doesn't help when you link to google cache when the cached page still points to the images on the original server.

  20. Actual fast mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.mirrordot.org/stories/b824e8605782b61d2 dca3ca678065972/index.html

  21. Been there, Read that by tonsofpcs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Read about it earlier this week, it looks cool, colorization looks nice, but with so few samples its hard to tell if it will work with a wide range of inputs, or only ones with contrast ratios like those shown.

    1. Re:Been there, Read that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, you are amazing. thanks for pointing out that you saw it before all of us. It makes you much cooler than anyone else.

  22. mirrordot.. by kagelump · · Score: 1

    http://www.mirrordot.com/stories/b824e8605782b61d2 dca3ca678065972/index.html
    gee that was quick...

  23. Re:Let me be the first to say... by ein2many · · Score: 0

    I agree. If you only had to compress B/W video and run it through a filter like this, Less bandwidth would be needed.

  24. Interactive Digital Photomontoge & Graph Cut.. by Pete+Brubaker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This work is very similar to some work that was presented at last years siggraph using graph cut optimization titled Interactive Digital Photomontage by some researchers at the University of Washington. This stuff is really cool and has applications outside of just re-coloring black and white. For example, compositors in the film industry adjust the color composition of scenes that were filmed during the day to look like they were filmed at night. Sometimes they just need to tweak the color because the art director isnt happy with it. Other times it's because they introduced CG elements into live action scenes and they dont quite match. If they can tweak those colors interactively, without authoring masks, it is faster than re-rendering the scene and that saves money.

    Very cool stuff.

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  25. Re:Let me be the first to say... by nacturation · · Score: 3, Funny

    "What's wrong?"

    "It's as if millions of lawyers stampeded the patent office and then suddenly... prior art."

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  26. Not a new concept by UMhydrogen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not sure if this was intended to sound like some new ground breaking technique, but it really isn't. I am a masters Electrical Engineering student and am currently taking an Image Processing class. Using neighboring images to reconstruct an image is a VERY VERY common task - in fact, it's almost the only way to do it. How else are you supposed to guess the colors (or what pixel is *supposed* to be there) without knowing what's around it. It's obvious that the highest correlation will be between the nearest neighbors (except on some edges).

    Maybe next time we can make a program that just guesses the colors and look at how interesting those come out!

    1. Re:Not a new concept by James+McP · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the "break through" in this process is that it works over a series of frames automatically rather than requiring each frame to be manipulated. It was my uneducated understanding that colorization tended to be a frame-by-frame process.

      If this can cut the work down to 1/10th normal it becomes plausible for the general public. While I'm no budding spielburg, I know a lot of people who might want to touch up the color quality of their wedding video.

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    2. Re:Not a new concept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only have a BS in EE, but I've got a new concept for you; RTFA! There is a big difference between knowing what 95% of the pixels are and guessing the other 5% than it is to guess what color 95% of the pixels are just by knowing what the other 5% are.

  27. Ruining Movies Now Easier Than Ever! by CheeseburgerBlue · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Thank goodness.


    I thought I was going to have to wait until they started dimensionifying old non-holographic movies until I once again heard the keen of good films having their asses wrung with sandpaper.

    Are there any non-evil applications or this artform?

  28. Welcome to last summer by kcomplex · · Score: 1

    This was in SIGGRAPH 2004, as were plenty of other great papers. Are we waiting another 6 months to see those on Slashdot?

  29. Re:Ummmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our method is based on a simple premise: neighboring pixels in space-time that have similar intensities should have similar colors.

    It's a fancy schmancy flood fill.

  30. Wont Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Have done colorization of house and home interiors for years. Try this algorithm on the siding of an all white house and it'll get confused real quick with window and door trim especially in spots where there are no shadows due to angle of sun. Good 75% solution.

    1. Re:Wont Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just how many years have you been using an algorithm invented in 2005?

  31. Heavy stuff... by krunchyfrog · · Score: 0

    I don't know how much of data is on there, but it took my firefox memory usage from 65 megs to 200 megs!

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  32. Colorizing by scribbling? by SmokeHalo · · Score: 1

    Sounds like they just print out the image and reach for the crayon box.

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  33. No, no, no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    No, no, no...

    It's "I'm colorblind, you insensitive clod!"

    1. Re:No, no, no... by Kimos · · Score: 2, Funny

      But I actually AM colorblind, you insensitive clod!

    2. Re:No, no, no... by mbrewthx · · Score: 1

      In North Korea only old people are colorblind

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    3. Re:No, no, no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well in Soviet Russia the chalk line scribles you!

  34. Willy Wonka Video by SimHacker · · Score: 3, Funny
    Does your TV set contains tiny three dimensional actors? Can you reach into the screen and take out a chocolate bar?

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  35. application to motion video by mzs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The site is slashdotted so I cannot read it, but i wonder if something akin to this could be used for compressing motion video. For example the intensity is encoded with currrent techniques, but instead of the color being encoded at a lower resolution, instead only a very small amount of colored points are encoded. Then during the decoding, the decoder uses an error function, intensity, and the time domain of previous and future frames to 'fill' the colors out.

    1. Re:application to motion video by VC · · Score: 1

      Mirror here.
      Seriously slashdot is starting to look indistinguishable from a 4 day old version delicious/popular these days.

    2. Re:application to motion video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      JPEG image compression already does something called chroma sub-sampling, which is similar in some ways. The theory behind it is that the human eye is better at determining differences in intensity than it is at determining differences in hue. JPEG converts an RGB image into a different representation (I forget which exactly) that separates hue and intensity. The intensity of every pixel is stored in the result, but a hue is only stored for perhaps every block of 4 pixels.

      The big difference here is that JPEG is "dumb" about how it places color into the stored image. It takes a combined color for every pixel block. If it could instead store some irregularly-placed colors throughout the image (like the scribbles here), it could probably give a higher-quality image, at least in some cases.

      I think this is an interesting idea. Someone could do a proof-of-concept fairly easily. Just take an image, and the same image converted to greyscale, plus a color mask that's designed to provide colored pixels where they are needed and still compress well. Show that the greyscale image (JPEG compressed) combined with the color mask produces something that is very close to the original image, and smaller in size than a comparable color JPEG. Sounds like a fun project. The biggest challenge is writing software that can generate a good color mask.

    3. Re:application to motion video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I used the wrong terminology there. Where I said "intensity" I think I meant "luminance".

    4. Re:application to motion video by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1

      Your idea would be truly cool for the next generation MPEG or DVD video format... I am guessing that it would take a tremendous amount of time and processing power to decide which individual pixels to color-code in a given sequence of frames. Perhaps the software could use the equivalent of a Photoshop-style magic wand to figure out which areas of a picture (in 3-d, as we're talking about a 2-d image with a time dimension) match a certain range of color (say, different shades of black) and then code a single pixel somewhere in the middle, with high resolution grayscale coded for the rest.

  36. Ok, this doesn't look like rocket science here... by symbolic · · Score: 1


    Take a grayscale image, and you already have the brightness and value for each pixel. All you do is add the hue component based on the color "scribbled" by the user. Stop filling with that color when you hit something that marks a definitive boundary.

  37. MOD PARENT DOWN! by SimHacker · · Score: 4, Funny
    Please, I do not deserve a "+1 Insightful" for pointing out that video is only 3-dimensional.

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    1. Re:MOD PARENT DOWN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought you were making a commentary about how culturally thin and skin-deep video is. Kinda like saying that some writers have characters that only have a 1 dimensional personality.

    2. Re:MOD PARENT DOWN! by SeaDour · · Score: 1

      You're right, since the video is 2-dimensional.

  38. Tech Geeks vs. Film Purists by venomkid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You b/w film purists. If all you can see is a threat to your bizarre, luddite idea of what film should be, you need to get your heads checked, or at least you need to listen to your inner geek. Stop using these folks' achievement as an opportunity for chest-thumping.

    The idea that one could color correct video with a few strokes from mspaint is staggering. Imagine if one could do this to color video, in real time... you could color-highlight an object and the computer could follow it without sensors or other pre-implanted devices, and that's not even a particularly original idea. This is awesome technology with applications probably well beyond what we see here.

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    1. Re:Tech Geeks vs. Film Purists by Deep+Fried+Geekboy · · Score: 0, Troll

      Color correcting, good.

      Colorization of old movies, bad.

      If you are so fucking ignorant that you don't know that composing and lighting for BW and color are utterly different, shame on you.

      Nothing is more infuriating than finding an old movie you want to watch on DVD and then discovering that it's been FUCKING COLORIZED.

      It's the equivalent of some dickwad like you 'improving' the Mona Lisa with a Crayola.

      I think I speak for all of us who care about how movies should look when I say FUCK YOU IN THE ASS WITH A CHILI PEPPER, RETARD.

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    2. Re:Tech Geeks vs. Film Purists by Deep+Fried+Geekboy · · Score: 1

      Of course now I realize you weren't in favor of colorization but hey... my Karma was way too high anyways.

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    3. Re:Tech Geeks vs. Film Purists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Well, at least one moderator got it right.

      -1, Flamebait.

    4. Re:Tech Geeks vs. Film Purists by KefabiMe · · Score: 1

      Why is this marked +5 Insightful?

      You b/w film purists. If all you can see is a threat to your bizarre, luddite idea of what film should be, you need to get your heads checked, or at least you need to listen to your inner geek.

      I see NOTHING in the original post that mentions black & white films. It might be implied, but even then I don't see any mention about how black & white is better than color, or how colorizing an old film is bastardizing that work. Some people like to see films in their original form. ("Han Solo shot first" anyone?) Others might rather see it in color. Personally, I can't really imagine Dr. Strangelove in color. It doesn't mean I like to see all films in black & white, and it doesn't mean I will get upset at someone for wanting to colorize it.

      Parent post is just an attack upon others and brings nothing to this discussion. "...you need to get your heads checked." Please.

      Parent should be modded down as flamebait.

    5. Re:Tech Geeks vs. Film Purists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you will be modded down in ...3...2....1

    6. Re:Tech Geeks vs. Film Purists by venomkid · · Score: 1

      In the first paragraph, I was referring to the multitude of irrelevant, huffy "colorizing b/w movies is a sin!" posts.

      But hey, since you missed the point of that, it doesn't bother me that you missed the overall point of my post, which was in the second paragraph.

      Cheers.

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    7. Re:Tech Geeks vs. Film Purists by syukton · · Score: 1

      ...and you should be modded down as ignorant.

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  39. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

    And I'm guessing neither of the three of us know all that much about the details of video compression. The "Motion Picture Experts Group" or whoever are probably smart people. They already compress video by only noting changes between frames & stuff like that. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that their methods may already sortof make use of this technique.

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  40. Re:Ummmmm by clarkcox3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My Emphasis added:

    Neighboring pixels in space-time that have similar intensities should have similar colors.

    Flood fill would be described as:

    Neighboring pixels in space that have similar intensities should have the same colors.

    See the differences? They are important.

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  41. Re:Ok, this doesn't look like rocket science here. by ankit · · Score: 1

    Its not that simple. The problem is how do you define a "definite boundary"? And even if you do what you suggested, you are likely to get rather flat shaded images. What these folks do is really solve an optimization problem and try to make use of the fact that neighboring pixels of similar intensity would have similar color. It is kind of like a fancy flood-fill algorithm, but applied to a new area, and thats what makes this novel!

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  42. Intersesting seeing the artifacts... by MankyD · · Score: 1

    If you load up page and watch the very last video, can see a slight artifact in the reflection of the hanging stuffed animal. There's little spots of orange color, like you would get out of the AirCan tool in MSPaint.

    I have a feeling this could be corrected with another scribble or two. Really a stunning piece of work. Very cool.

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    1. Re:Intersesting seeing the artifacts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to take into account the fact that you are looking at a 256 colour animated gif. The videos are currently slashdotted into another dimension but I am reasonably sure that the artifacting is most likely a result of downsampling from 24bit to palletized colour.

  43. that's gotta hurt by matt+me · · Score: 1

    all the images on that site are bitmaps. slashdot is now sending thousands of users to download them. that's a lot of bandwidth. ha ha, the site is now down. only wish i'd been downloading an image at the time and seen it stop half way. only then have you seen the power.

  44. BMPs! by hamishmorgan · · Score: 1

    OMG someone has to tell these people about the joys of the JPEG image format. A whole page of bitmaps?!?! Why don't they just take a bat to the webserver... same effect but more fun.

    1. Re:BMPs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      someone mark this funny?
      at least go .gif... they average about 1/3 the filesize of .jpg. also, there's that nasty lossy compression system .jpgs use...

  45. Relativity? by zev1983 · · Score: 1

    "The technique works on the premise that 'neighboring pixels in *space-time* that have similar intensities should have similar colors,' and also allows colorization of videos by 'marking' about one in ten frames."

    So this obeys the laws of general and special relativity? What about quantum chromodynamics while we're talking about color?

    1. Re:Relativity? by zev1983 · · Score: 1

      I can't believe I actually posted that... My brain has been infused with copy toner and been shriveled into a raisin from air at 0.0% humidity...

  46. Comic books and the like by phorm · · Score: 1

    I dabble more in the area of 3d art, but at times I've lifted a pencil and come up with some decent b&w sketches. Pencil shading is easy but sometimes getting the colours just right is more difficult than you might think.

    When I looked at a lot of B&W webcomics, I can see that they'd look better in colour (especially the ones where the artist does occasionally do vibrant colour cells, but usually don't have time). This could change that though... want to see what your character would look like with a gold uniform... scribble a few colours within the borders. Want to see what that night-sky would like like with a red moon and rouged horizon, scribble a little red in and let the program do the work.

    For cases where you want to preview colours, or just don't do colour well yourself, this would be a boon indeed!

  47. Thank you. by SimHacker · · Score: 4, Funny

    That feels better now.

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    1. Re:Thank you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make a note to self:

      See the Dr. about Mountain Dew sugar highs and the voices shouldn't be telling me to do bad things.

    2. Re:Thank you. by Evanisincontrol · · Score: 2, Informative

      New equation:

      Replying to yourself = +11 mod points

      Interesting. Mods are funny people, I love'em. Such unpredictable little things, aren't they?

  48. think consumer stuff by mblase · · Score: 1

    This stuff is really cool and has applications outside of just re-coloring black and white.

    Industry applications are interesting, but nothing new -- the industry has been using this technology for a long time when it was more labor-intensive, because they can afford to.

    The REAL impact of this technology will come when you see it migrate into new versions of iPhoto and Photoshop Elements. In Photoshop, recoloring a part of a photo is relatively easy, but it still involves a mildly complicated process of selecting the color range, specifying the hue you want to shift it to, checking and re-checking.

    This, however, is something Apple could roll into iPhoto with relative ease. No more selecting pixels, ranges, or hues -- just select a shade from the color picker, scribble it over the area desired, and hit "apply". Don't like it? Undo and try again.

    The industry will use this because it's faster, but I know professionals will still need and want tools to fine-tune their adjustments. Consumers will use this exclusively.

  49. Amazing how Tech drizzles down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This is a really cool thing to see in person. At NAB last year the Discreet people had this as a feature coming from there high end Smoke systems. Since all Discreet programs require a Tablet the pen scribble thing is used for color correction by scribbling around the area you want changed. Masks are done by making a rough trace around the area and it figures out what your focusing on. Its a time saver but you pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for their systems. After a couple of years other programs like Shake and After Effects start to pick up the plugins. Most major tech leaps in video happen at Discreet first then trickle down.

    1. Re:Amazing how Tech drizzles down. by I7D · · Score: 1

      Maybe for a few programs Discreet requres a tablet, but 3D Studio Max sure doesn't. Nor did it ever. This would be a great feature though to 3D studio for tweaking a render after it finishes (in program) and having those changes alter the actual materials in the scene.

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  50. Colorizing examples. by ChrisUK · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I tried out their matlab code and put a few example colourings on my web page, for the interested:

    http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/cjb/

    1. Re:Colorizing examples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This guys colorized picture of himself looks like Butthead. Maybe this is part of the program? :-D

    2. Re:Colorizing examples. by rnelsonee · · Score: 1

      Very cool. For what it's worth, and you might already realize this, I believe you can scribble white on areas you don't want re-colored. So it'd be easier to change just your shirt color and the birds in the 2nd photo.

    3. Re:Colorizing examples. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad you can't tell the difference between colors.

  51. Re:Let me be the first to say... by sahonen · · Score: 3, Informative

    Intensity actually takes most of the bandwidth of an MPEG stream, because human eyesight tends to notice changes in luminance more than changes in chroma. The chroma channels are compressed *extremely* heavily compared to the luma channel, and are actually even at a lower resolution.

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  52. Realtime by phorm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I could see this working best as a "realtime" colour filter, especially if you're using a pen or something similar. Scratch near a border and view the result... if it goes a bit beyond where you want scratch on the other side of the border. If it's not quite enough lengthen your scratch.

    I wonder how much CPU power is required, if you could do this realtime or close to it would be quite awesome, but having to make your scratches and click "apply filter" then wait for 30 seconds would not be nearly as useful/efficient.

  53. Plugin by Queer+Boy · · Score: 1

    When can I download the Photoshop plugin?

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      Holy crap an O-Zone reference.

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  54. Gimp plugin... by argent · · Score: 1

    My first thought was "Gimp Plugin!", but a Photoshop plugin would be good too.

    1. Re:Gimp plugin... by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Cinepaint or one of the other specialist video editing apps would be the obvious implementation place for me.

      Or perhaps Krita, since they seem to be taking an active interest in advanced techniques such as natural media and painting tools algorithms etc.

      Regardless of where it appears though, it would be great to see an open source tool with this feature. All of those old Open Content videos on creativecommons.org etc. would suddenly look a lot more appealing to non-geeks if we could colorise them :)

    2. Re:Gimp plugin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, a post mentioning the Gimp which is not modded down ! Quick, someone take a screenshot !

    3. Re:Gimp plugin... by argent · · Score: 1

      Regardless of where it appears though, it would be great to see an open source tool with this feature.

      What's the license on the MATLAB code?

    4. Re:Gimp plugin... by christopherfinke · · Score: 1
      What's the license on the MATLAB code?
      From the README in the code:

      "Usage of this code is free for research purposes only."
  55. Re:Ok, this doesn't look like rocket science here. by argent · · Score: 2, Funny

    Stop filling with that color when you hit something that marks a definitive boundary.

    That's the "and then a miracle occurs" step.

  56. Re:Let me be the first to say... by TheGavster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What a brilliant plan! What if we were to take groupings of four pixels, store luminance for each and an average of their red and blue weights, netting a savings of:

    uncompressed: 24 bits per pixel X 4 pixels = 72 bits
    compressed: 8 luminance bits X 4 pixels + 8 Red bits + 8 V bits = 48 bits

    100 - (48 / 72 * 100) = 33.3%!

    Wait ... this sounds an aweful lot like the YUV encoding used in MPEG compression ... probably has something to do with it actually being the YUV encoding used in MPEG compression.

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  57. They could use this in science fiction shows... by Brand+X · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For example, on Farscape, given Virginia Hey's problems with makeup and contact lenses... heck, any of these humanoids-with-funny-skin-color shows would benefit from not having to put in the hours upon hours of makeup. Instead, we'd see hours upon hours of post-production...

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  58. Blurs? Fine background detail? Motion? by dpbsmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the days when colorized videos of black-and-white films were common, I watched a few. The so-called "colorization" had some very serious problems, and I wonder whether this new method addresses them.

    The problems tended to be in the background, and they probably thought people's attention would stay on the foreground, but I think like many things in film you notice them subconsciously. Either the background is out of focus, in which case there are no sharp edges for the colorization to work on, or it contains a basically infinite quantity of detail as the background gets farther and farther way. Either way, it was extremely common to see uncolored areas in the background.

    It was fairly common to see black-and-white paintings hanging on walls, for example. The walls would be some fairly uniform wash of plausible wall color, but nobody was going to take the time to handcolor the paintings hanging on them.

    A similar problem concerned scenes with machinery in them, or anything with lots of complex, detailed motion (so that successive frames weren't similar). Thus, you'd see black-and-white printing presses operating in a colorized newspaper building...

    In addition, the fact that the colorized faces, for example, were a uniformly colored wash, rather than varying in color as well as brightness, created a subtle kind of phoniness. To me, the result was the conveyance of a sort of emotional coldness. The colorized movies looked colored, but they didn't feel colored.

    The exact opposite of the kind of lift you couldn't help feeling in the fifties when you saw a Technicolor spectacular--in the days when "Technicolor" meant that by golly you were watching genuine dye-imbibation prints from real color separations. Sweet as candy, but irresistable. (The effect does come through in the best DVD restorations).

  59. Since when.... by HTL2001 · · Score: 1

    does a new development need to be f**king perfect? sure its got a few problems, and any program has limitations. just because this thing cant take absolutly any image and make it color perfectly doesnt mean its bad

    personally I like the recoloring shots, I want to screw with some peoples' heads with that hehe

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  60. Any video with Divine is 4-dimensional by SimHacker · · Score: 1
    If you count character and on-screen presence, any movie with Divine is 4-dimensional, and with Scratch and Sniff it should count as 5-dimensional.

    -Don

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  61. Opensource? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
    Is there any OSS applications out there that are similar? This would be a really cool Sourceforge project.

    Also, does anybody happen to know if a similar technique was used for the new Tom Cruise movie coming out? You know, the one that kinda looks like Waking Life in style?

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    1. Re:Opensource? by rebelcool · · Score: 1

      scanner darkly is keanu reeves, not tom cruise

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    2. Re:Opensource? by ocelotbob · · Score: 1

      A scanner Darkly used a technique called rotoscoping, which is similar, in that it takes images and illustrates them to create the final product.

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    3. Re:Opensource? by Avishalom · · Score: 1

      It is open source
      there is a link to their matlab sources
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  62. Jesus Tap Dancing Christ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gosh, sorry if composing and lighting arcana are not well known outside pussy film geek wanking circles. Pop a fraking Prozac, dude, and change your panties. What a useless little prick you are!

    1. Re:Jesus Tap Dancing Christ! by Deep+Fried+Geekboy · · Score: 1

      Hey, I object to being called a 'pussy'. The rest of it is fine.

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  63. practical application by Mantorp · · Score: 1

    could come in handy for re-drawing maps in the area. Save new layer, don't finalize changes.

  64. Re:Let me be the first to say... by anethema · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey, that is actually true!

    What's this? a slashdotter who knows what he's talking about?

    He's a witch!

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  65. OT: coral and non-standard port numbers by wowbagger · · Score: 1

    The one bad thing about coral-ized links is that, due to the Coral servers usually NOT being on port 80, if you are behind a restrictive corporate firewall that does not allow traffic on J. Random Port, you cannot use them.

    It Would Be Nice If Coral had servers on port 80....

    1. Re:OT: coral and non-standard port numbers by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 1

      You may be able to fix this with Tor.

      I think this is a FAQ and Coral plans to fix it once they move off PlanetLab.

  66. CPU cost by wowbagger · · Score: 1

    It could theoretically reduce the bandwidth, except that the CPU cost to apply the data and reconstruct the image would be prohibitive with anything we have now-a-days.

    They are NOT applying these scribbles in real-time - they scribble, the computer **grinds**, and quite some time later an image appears.

    With the kind of CPU power it would take to apply this sort of data in real time, you could probably get much greater compression using a very exhaustive wavelet search.

    1. Re:CPU cost by rm999 · · Score: 1

      The decoder could probably be placed into hardware (although this would still be years away I am sure). My main concern would be that the "lossiness" of the compression would be unacceptable. In the future, the demand for higher quality video will only increase, and bandwidth and storage will increase to meet that need even with today's compression standards.

  67. 3D art and your website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't quit your day job.

  68. Clerks by Rosyna · · Score: 1

    Let us just hope someone will apply this to clerks and release it in color!

  69. Don't jokes like this ever get old? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Answer: Yes

  70. nature by Jodka · · Score: 4, Interesting

    " The technique works on the premise that 'neighboring pixels in space-time that have similar intensities should have similar colors"

    Interestingly, the retina exploits that same property of natural scenes to compress images. This correlation between luminance and color is an opportunity to throw out redundant information. The eye multiplexes color and luminance information over a single channel, transmitting luminance while discarding color at high spatial frequencies and transmitting color while discarding luminance at low spacial frequencies. First reported by C.R. Ingling, color/luminance multiplexing is an inherent property of the linear color-opponent center-surround receptive field. For a good explication of the subject, see:

    Vision Res. 1985;25(1):33-8.
    "The spatiotemporal properties of the r-g X-cell channel."
    Ingling CR Jr, Martinez-Uriegas E.

    Abstract: Analysis of the simple-opponent r-g receptive field of the X-channel shows that it is tuned to both high and low temporal frequencies, high and low spatial frequencies, and that its spectral sensitivity is both chromatic and achromatic.
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  71. holy shit by standsolid · · Score: 1

    that is quite possibly the coolest thing i've seen in 2005

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  72. D&D outcasts by Shamanin · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    So that's what happend to the gamers that were booted from the Israeli Army (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/09/16222 15&tid=133)

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  73. Re:Let me be the first to say... by sahonen · · Score: 4, Funny

    Take a few deep breaths, you'll get over it. In the meantime, I can spread some disinformation if you want. Hmmm...

    The MPEG standard, knowing that porn tends to drive the industry, actually contains several optimizations for drawing things such as skin tones and nipples. Really.

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  74. Please make an effort to be less stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really, did you just decide to type stupid shit while waiting for the page to load or what?

  75. Obligatory. by Silverlancer · · Score: 0

    In Soviet Russia, pictures colorize YOU!

  76. I mean, really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that was stupid.

  77. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Except that groupings of 4 pixels is not necessarily a good approach. For one thing, it may be far more color information than is really necessary. Besides that, two adjacent pixels may have significantly different colors. Carefully designed "scribbles" of color could very well take up less space and give better quality.

    I'm sure there are good reasons for the JPEG/MPEG method, and I'd be a bit surprised if the groups in question didn't think of this possibility, but I still think it should theoretically give better results (at the cost of higher complexity and computational requirements).

  78. Tis but one real world digital imaging problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Digital cameras are prevented from capturing finer details due to:

    1. Digital artifacts
    2. Digital noise for ISO film settings
    3. Inability to record an image without any processing except the optical effects of lens, appature size, etc. Raw images address some of this but not all.
    4. Dynamic range limitation due to 24 bits per pixel

    This is why your 3 megapixel camera is terrible for recording 8.5 x 11 inch pages even though this works out to over 175dpi.

  79. hrmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cant photoshop fill do this kind of thing already? where if you fill in a certain area, it fills in similar areas that are shaded with the correct shade of, let's say, yellow. I think gimp can do that as well.

  80. At last! by thegnu · · Score: 1

    (sarcasm)
    We can recolorize all the black actors in all the movies! Will Smith was always a tad too swarthy to for me...

    Alas, we've reached Mr. Jackson a tad too late.
    (/sarcasm)

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  81. Colorized Audio by SimHacker · · Score: 1
    Which begs the question, does the colorisation algorithm work with sound? Can it turn white noise into pink noise? Can it convert a boring monochromatic soundtrack into the blues?

    -Don

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    1. Re:Colorized Audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pink noise is simply white noise that is correlated at some of the lower frequencies that we can hear. that is, it is mostly random, but the lower frequencies have a higher probability. it doesnt take an advanced algorithm to turn white noise into pink noise, just a lowpass filter

    2. Re:Colorized Audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That does not beg the question

  82. Old Technology by clinko · · Score: 1

    This is old technology.

    Don't you guys remember the "Take on me" video by A-Ha.

    Same stuff...

  83. Applications for Art by leoboiko · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Some folks seem to be excited (or angry) with the possibility of coloring B&W movies with this technique. Forget realistic coloring, this looks amazing for artistic recoloring.

    Go take a look at the "recoloring examples" in the coral cache. Also look at what a slashdotter did with the code. Photographers, designers and painters could do neat things with a filter like this in Gimp...

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  84. Dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You really have to think about changing your dentist. I mean like change it today.

  85. Green eyes? by staili · · Score: 1

    The first example picture is a bit strange. In the result picture the boy has green eyes, but there are no green markings on the eyes on the BW picture?

  86. Old news, criticism, a better website . . . by alhaz · · Score: 1

    Funny thing is i was arguing with a photoshop wonk about this just last week. It seems that when it first surfaced, it was 'debunked' by end-users on worth1000.com.

    Levin et al were published by ACM more than a year ago.

    Some criticism: Their website only shows images that show the strength of their method. They don't show any examples of it's weaknesses, and it does have some.

    A much more interesting website would be this one:

    http://mountains.ece.umn.edu/~liron/colorization/

    A similar technique, a comparison with the levin et al method, images that show how both techniques sometimes don't work so well, and a nifty java applet so you can try it yourself.

    Both of these techniques, however, seem to depend on a good quality grayscale image. This is paradoxical because the emphasis in colorization has been old film. A lot of that stuff is coarser, and higher contrast, than any of these images. Silver oxide without any dyes added has a big spike in it's color sensitivity for blue light, as well, so what tone you do have to work with is maybe not going to be correct.

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  87. Can someone host the Matlab algorithm? by Nate53085 · · Score: 1

    None of the caches will let me have it and I was to try to use it.

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    1. Re:Can someone host the Matlab algorithm? by Nate53085 · · Score: 1

      and by was I mean want

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  88. irronic by improfane · · Score: 0

    ...even the coralized mirror got slashdotted!

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  89. IT IS OSS. by Avishalom · · Score: 1

    here. is the link to matlab sources.
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  90. Product Lifecycle by sammyo · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately a probably life cycle of this kind of tech will be:

    1) use in a carefully restored, prestigious film
    3) good reviews and ratings/audience
    2) creation of a mac based product
    4) profit

    but... oh yes

    5) a slew of third rate knock offs that use the effect to justify a 5th rate plot

  91. My application would be... by ImaLamer · · Score: 1

    I'm painting the upstairs of our house and can't get inspired for anything.

    Being younger we went with "different" color schemes in our house, orange, grey, shit brown (all really fits too) but the upstairs is still *blah* and I can't imagine any color there than what already is. I've got paint chips taped up here and there and something like this would be nice to have at home (far off I know).

    Taking a picture then scribbling on it would be a nice way of previewing paints. In fact I suggest here (in the open instead of trying to sell the idea) that designers get tablet PCs with a camera built in... then just go to a clients house snap a shot and scribble paint colors in.

  92. It will still require an artist... by bl4nk · · Score: 0

    The trick about this is getting the colors right. Sure they make it look easy - probably because all of those examples were color at one point, and they just eyedropped the correct colors.
    Unless you use the exact colors necessary, it will turn out looking wrong or "not quite right." I think this plugin will still require the skill of an artist to pull it off.

    Color is a very complex thing.

  93. Dammit by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Apparently, one of the critical differences between Octave and Matlab is that Octave apparently doesn't support multidimensional matrices/arrays with dimensions greater than 2.

    Which means that the current code is completely incompatible with Octave, as it depends on Matlab's implementation of imread() which returns image data as a three-dimensional matrix.

    Going to see if I can get it to work easily, but there's a good chance I won't be able to. :(

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    1. Re:Dammit by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      I've given up on getting the code to run in Octave. I just don't have the time. Going to try seeing if the student version of Matlab is sufficient for this.

      I'm surprised Octave is missing such an important feature. I love it and use it all the time, but finding this limitation was a real disappointment for me.

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  94. Ted Turner call your office... by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

    Now he foist more old colorized movies on us where everyone's skin is orange and the sky is purple and all small objects are grey.

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  95. Re:Let me be the first to say... by s0me1tm · · Score: 4, Informative

    24 bits per pixel X 4 pixels = 72 bits

    In other news, mathematicians still agree that 24 times 4 is 96.

    YUV 4:2:0 saves 50% bits over YUV 4:4:4, more info on wikipedia (per usual) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_subsampling

  96. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, this could be applied to NTSC (or PAL, SECAM, or other form of standard definition video). Present video scalers do an OK job of up-converting SD video, but the poor color quality is usually only magnified by the process. Faroujda and Runco have proprietary algorithms that help a little and sell in boxes costing over $10,000.

    Could something like this be used to sort of take the existing color information as the scribble hints and apply much richer and less noisy color to the up-converted image? Could this even just be used as a chorma noise filter? I see great processing possibilities. Somebody write a dScaler filter and try it!

  97. colourised b&W film by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
    is a sin against man and nature. B&W film is supposed to be B&W. Get Over It. Just because it's done easily doesn't mean it Should Be Done.

    I'd rather see te money being pissed away on this technology be devoted to resurrecting and preserving old silent B&W films from the teens and 20s.

    RS

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  98. similar research at MIcroSoft Reserach [Beijing] by peter303 · · Score: 1

    There were 4 or 5 of these "automatic segmentation via hints" at SIGGRAPH last year. This is are useful montages as well as painting.

  99. The Jewish Threat to Space-Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is exactly typical of the Zionist agenda to take over the world, starting with "colorizing" all of our black and WHITE images.

    We must not take the Jewish threat to Space-Time lying down! I want my colorized images orangish and filmy, the way they're supposed to be!

  100. Ted Turner by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

    Great, all we need is Ted Turner to have an easier time colorizing old films and not releasing the originals.

  101. The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they extended the paint bucket to the 4th dimension?

    Please notice that subrama6 said to the 4th dimension, not to "a 4th dimension" or to "4 dimensions".

    Time is refered to as the 4th dimension often enough that even though there is arguably no z axis, the statement is still reasonable in common usage.

  102. Re:Let me be the first to say... by anethema · · Score: 1

    Nice.

    Let's not forget the competition, AVI. As we know, it is just a container file, containing a highly compressed jpeg for every frame, and only allows 11500 khz 8 bit uncompressed audio.

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  103. Mars anc Spirit Rover by kupojsin · · Score: 1

    I think this would be a pretty neat application to use with the existing Mars and Spirit rovers pictures sent back. -j

  104. Block colour is unnatural by gidds · · Score: 1
    Pick an object you can see. Look closely at it. Whatever it is, chances are, it has lots of colours, not just one. Even if the material its made from is a single colour, the illumination is rarely completely uniform, and that'll give changes in brightness and saturation across it. Often there's small-scale colour detail, too. And if its at all reflective, then the differing colours of other objects in the room will also affect what you see from it.

    Can an algorithm allow for that? Or is it just blocking out a whole area with the same hue and saturation, and just keeping the original brightness variation? If so, I doubt it can look at all natural.

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  105. matlab code is available. by UlfGabe · · Score: 1

    ill take a look too see how it stacks up.

    ill run some tests of my own and send the posting back to slashdot

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  106. My application would be previewing paints??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suppose this would be reasonable for choosing between "red" and "blue", but there is no way this'll be able to accurately help anyone choose between "ivory" and "pearl" anytime soon.

  107. Do we remember images as B&W with Scribbles? by hadesan · · Score: 1
    You have to wonder if this is how we remember parts of our lives or photos. Storing mostly everything in B&W and then colorizing it with scribbles in keyframes.

    Maybe this is why people remember colors in different ways (from what they actually were) when they look at them years later. Or why some people seem to think we dream in B&W...

  108. I offend DEAD people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From a historical perspective I do think it's a shame if the original versions are lost or suppressed, but otherwise the result of colorization or anything else deserves to be judged on its own merits. Not whether it might offend dead people.

    Oh, sure, your let's judge everything on its own merits seems reasonable on the surface, but you'll be singing a different tune when the offended dead directories with their zombie grips, rotting boom operators, ghoulish foleys, and other undead minions, rise from their graves to take back their artistic vision. You think you're rational approach will save you when the popcorn is buttered with blood? No! You will cower on the sticky floors as death stalks the aisles.

    Oh. You will rue this day, when the undead directors bring forth their artistic vision of blood!

  109. no... Looks like bs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at the pics... They were taken in color, converted to B&W, and then scribbled on... There's NO way that much detail can come from a "scrible" that is huge, but very fine color detailing (ie, the sign on the hotel... the face paint on the kid...) with one BROAD stroke?

    I cry BS on this story and paper! Lets see the code... release to GNU or something or like someone else suggested, make it a filter for gimp.

    B.S.

    1. Re:no... Looks like bs... by balaam's+ass · · Score: 1

      What do you make of the recolorization examples then?
      Did they make the kid wear different-striped clothes and get in the exact same position?

      On the other hand, one can see that many of the pictures have VERY finely-detailed scribbles, like in the picture of the kid with facepaint or the one with girl with the necklace of red beads. I was starting to wonder exactly how fine the "scribbles" had to go to get results of that quality, e.g. perhaps there are even more single-pixel scribbles all over the place that I just wasn't noticing?

    2. Re:no... Looks like bs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks like a fake to me as well. Many instances exist of colors coming from nowhere. No "scribbles" to be seen. This may be an illustration of their technique but it should not be taken for a gallery of results as they present it.

  110. Exactly what I was talking about... by Shazow · · Score: 1
    ... Back in November.

    Read my post here

    Quote (Regarding "The CSI Phenomenon"):
    Different colours appear differently when a photo is monochromed. By comparing the overall contrast and brightness of the photo, they may be able to extrapolate relative colours.

    Don't know how reasonable my explination is, but doesn't really seem impossible?


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  111. Image segmentation? Hardly new. by krautcanman · · Score: 1

    Colorizing film by this method is not much different than what some biomedical and computer science research is very interested in: image segmentation.

    Similar to how the video method tracks changes in object size and shape over some temporal resolution, image segmentation tracks shape, size, etc in some spacial resolution.

    Check out Insight Segmentation and Registration Toolkit (ITK):http://www.itk.org/

  112. Rotoscoping? by Paraplex · · Score: 1

    a more obvious application for this tech would be to modify this for rotoscoping...

    Assuming it can get clean lines in the colourisation, It should be able to give you a clean colour map you could then use to quickly and easily extract a single character from footage...

    Just a thought there if you are reading this :)

    'Plex

  113. Thanks, Jews! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Glad all that aid is coming in handy.

  114. Other applications by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

    This technique might be seriously useful for digital cameras. Instead of a sensor with alternating RGB pixels, make one that is black and white. The B&W image will be somewhat sharper than a colour image made by interpolation (since you are getting the true brightness value at each pixel, not a guess based on that pixel and its neighbours), and the sensor will need much less light (instead of masking off all but red/green/blue light at each pixel, it gets the whole visible spectrum). It might also be cheaper to make.

    Then add a really cheap and low-res colour image sensor and use that to colorize the B&W image. Or you could have a single sensor where most of the pixels detect white light, with occasional RGB clusters dotted around to get colours, and the 'scribble' algorithm used instead of conventional colour interpolation. Again, such a sensor could operate with less light than one where every pixel is R/G/B masked, so the camera could be built with cheaper optics (narrower lens aperture, etc). Although the colours (chrominance) in the final image would be less accurate than with a conventional sensor, the brightness (luminance) would be more accurate, and the eye is more sensitive to luminance than chrominance.

    Final thought: could you use this for lossy image compression by storing the B&W image plus a few dots and scribbles to reconstruct the original? If you have plenty of time for compression you could keep trying or evolving different scribbles to get one giving acceptable results.

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    1. Re:Other applications by tabrnaker · · Score: 1

      or you can get a camera with the foveon x3 chip which already captures rgb for every pixel. Amazing sharpness.

    2. Re:Other applications by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1
      I note in the dcraw documention:
      The Foveon X3 Capture chip requires a different kind of interpolation. Unlike CCD arrays, it captures three colors at every pixel location. But the colors are not well separated, so the raw data looks very gray. Enhancing the color without also enhancing noise is very difficult.
      I don't know quite what dcraw's author means by this, but it seems to imply that even the Foveon chip isn't as good as a real R+G+B value at each pixel. Surely a lot better than capturing a black and white image then colorizing it, anyway :-p.
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  115. Forget entertainment... think history by jasmusic · · Score: 1

    Forget movies; the big application for this is old war footage. When you see footage of Nazi Germany in color, suddenly it goes from distant black-and-white storytelling to something as real as the air you breathe. Same thing with footage of the concentration camps. And what about photos of the Civil War?

    The color helps keep that history genuine to our eyes and minds and relevant to the problems we face today and everyday.