I didn't believe the blizzard link, I'm sure they put the Wow players in pods like in the matrix and run 'em off some sort of industrial nutrient. Hell you could strip 'em down to a central nervous system attached to a brain to save space.
Right because upgrading Linux installations always works every time.
Not every time. You may have broken hardware, or you may erase half of distribution after installing it. Then it won't work.
Umm, you mean you try it and it fails and Linux apologists tell you you have broken or hardare or RTFM. And then you waste ages trying to find someone who actually knows what they are talking about.
Linux is about progress, not back compatibility and no one is willing to do the work to maintain old ABIs or filesystem formats. In fact they often deride Microsoft for caring about it.
In fact, you know absolutely nothing about Linux. ABI changes very slowly, and older versions will work with modern kernel, and may require old libraries that usually are provided in "compatibility" package for this very purpose.
Hmm, that's ok if someone bothers to do it. Otherwise you need to do it yourself. And my point is how many people are going to get it right for a 13 year old disti.
What Microsoft does is different -- it has SHITTY OLD INTERFACE, and it continues throwing shit into the newer and newer versions of its OS supposedly to provide compatibility with old shit, but really to avoid making any progress toward anything better. Instead of deprecating obviously bad systems such as most of Win32, everything new is either added or built on top of it. The reason for it is very simple -- it's very difficult to provide a compatibility layer on another platform that will imitate extremely bad, poorly designed, bug-ridden subsystem in a way that will support all "creative uses" and workarounds that accumulated over decades of evolution of such a massive engineering failure. If Windows wasn't that bad, Wine (or Windows interface under OS/2 before it, or Wabi,...) would be orders of magnitude more simple, and it would become "better Windows than Windows". With Windows being full of unmaintainable finicky crap every imitation of it necessarily has to be full of unmaintainable finicky crap.
You say shit a lot. But it's sort of interesting that I can run Firefox 3 on Windows 2000, which is a lot older than FC4.
And that's because of all the work people like Raymond Chen do on making sure that software works after an upgrade. Because Microsoft want to sell you that upgrade. In the FOSS world no one gives a shit because there's no money in it. If some developer does some refactoring that inconveniences a user, the user goes to the community which is full of people like you yelling that they are idiots and the sort of work Raymond does is shit. That's why Linux has negligable market share
Hmm, doesn't that seem a bit of an ad hominem attack to you? Even if it were true how does it affect what I'm saying.
You and other Microsoft defenders have literally flooded this discussion with your comments. Obviously you are trying to create an impression of validity by posting large number of comments with unsupported claims instead of participating in a discussion.
I just like trolling people like you who will defend Linux without knowing anything about how much work good commercial companies put into migration plans and ABI stability. No one cares about that shit on Linux. If you want it to work you need to reinstall a new OS every few months.
If this is true, please tell me what embedded systems are. Then I will know what to avoid like plague because it's made by a person so hopelessly
Also good luck downloading a new installation over the sort of internet connection these machines will have in the third world. And good luck trying to get tech support when it fails on some percentage of the machines when you can't afford an international call. These people pay an absolutely higher price per bit transferred or per minute of transatlantic call than people in the first world pay but earn 10x less. It was literally cheaper to call from Sweden to Thailand than to call from Thailand to Sweden. Their internet access is far worse too. On the other hand commercial software is 'free' because piracy is rampant.
The fact is for the sort of people these machines are aimed at, no updates means that security holes will stay unpatched.
And realistically would any software support upgrading on a 13 year old machine? Over that time filesystems will have changed. Linux is about progress, not back compatibility and no one is willing to do the work to maintain old ABIs or filesystem formats. In fact they often deride Microsoft for caring about it.
Even worse, over 13 years instruction sets change. And support for old ones are dropped in new software.
There's loads of scope for breaking Linux updates.
I actually think that given that these machines are going to be passed to technically unsophisticated people with poor communications access, Linux doesn't seem such a good idea.
Of course, being one of many Microsoft marketing people in this thread you can't know this.
Hmm, doesn't that seem a bit of an ad hominem attack to you? Even if it were true how does it affect what I'm saying. Hell, I spend my time working on embedded systems at work, but Linux was too much trouble to maintain at home.
Heck, look at William Buckley, certainlt a critical and indpendent thinker, who would present profund insight into the value of personal libery and personal choice, and then in the next breath condemn legal abortion as a great evil.
Abortion is one of those weird issues. As an atheist and a materialist I think people's consciousness is solely due to their brain operating. Your brain isn't wired up until sometime after you are born, and so unborn babies basically don't have any rights. So from my perspective abortion is ok - the mother's right to choose trumps the foetus's right to live.
Christians view this differently. They believe in immortal souls which are created by God at conception and which are the conscious entities (as I understand it). And I think if you believe that then it follows that abortion is wrong.
Even scientifically consciousness is ill understood. I think I can accept the fact that some people want to draw the age line where humans get rights differently, just like people disagree about rights for animals. Actually most people would place the line earlier than I do by disallowing late term abortions. I can actually live with that as a safety margin.
Anonymous is not doing us a favor by hacking Palin's email. First, anyone concerned with privacy rights should be alarmed not just by the intrusion, but by the 'it's okay, we did it for a good reason' defense. I would think that a group known as Anonymous would get that.
Are you kidding? These are the guys that torment teenagers with webcams until they cry, or post flashing gifs on forums for epileptics. They're doing for the lulz, i.e. to create chaos and then laugh at it. People that mention ethics get denounced as 'moralfags'.
Seriously, spend some time on 4chan's/b/ board for a while and you'll realise who silly what you just said is.
XP is still being shipped on netbooks and they will provide fixes for it until 2014. That means that XP will have been supported for 13 years, since it was released in 2001.
Good luck on getting fixes for a 13 year old Linux distribution.
I've always wondered if you could use the Streisand effect to your advantage.
E.g. in this case Mayor Harkonnen appoints Sgt Glossu Rabban to head up the police department. Glossu Rabban sues people for linking and is generally an asshole. He becomes vastly unpopular and Mayor Harkonnen sacks him and appoints Sgt Feyd Rautha, his nephew. Afterwards both Mayor Harkonnen and Sgt Rautha are popular for ridding the world of Glossu Rabban.
That all sounds quite admirable. But you still don't have any real reason for saying Bush and Blair lied other than a skepticism of governments. I remember at the end of the Gulf War thinking that the US should have bitten the bullet and backed the uprising against Saddam, even if that wasn't what they originally planned.
And from then on until the second Gulf War it seemed like it would be a better thing to pay the short term finite cost of removing him than get slowly bled dry by the regime.
So when it was clear that Bush planned to get him, I was obviously sympathetic. The WMD pretext was a clever way to legalise it, courtesy of Jack Straw, Blair and Powell. I'm not sure I'd have supported it knowing the duration of the insurgency, but that seems to be ending.
Both Bush and Blair will lose power in disgrace for it, so it's not like it's the beginning of empire.
Actually the best objection I can think of to it is that it ties down troops and that might make the Chinese push their luck just like the Russians did. Since I'm in Taiwan at the moment, I'm likely fucked in that case. Still, The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men, gang aft agley, as Napoleon said with a chuckle on his return from Moscow.
Uh, no. You don't shoot. You don't get mad, you don't lose your calm. That's the worst that could happen. If you can disarm the guy, you do so. If not, you give the guy what he wants, then call the police with info.
What about deterrent theory though? If criminals expect to be shot dead by some inbred redneck they're a lot less likely to burgle than if they expect to be surrendered too.
Of course the small minority that do decide to burgle in this situation will probably shoot first. But that's all the more incentive to kill them before they kill you. I wouldn't probably hang the burglars bald, tatooed pelts up in front of the house afterwards though like some folks do. I'd want future burglars to think it was a handin' over house not a killin' house. Hell I'd put up lots of hippy signs to make 'em think I was an easy mark. And then kill 'em on sight with my six gun.
Texas is funny. In the UK there was much handwringing after someone shot and killed a burglar. The BBC interviewed a Texan lawyer who said something like "In Texas when you break into someone's house you lose some of the rights you have walking down the street. Like the right to life".
You know there's a deeper philosphical difference we have here. Someone once parodied conservatives as believing in "my country right or wrong". Clearly, that's not good if your country turns out to be wrong.
But what about the case where you believe "my country is always wrong". Might that too turn out to be not good if your country turns out to be right? And the thing is given their totalitarian scumbag opponents, the US/UK are usually the good guys. Particularly I think during the Cold War free societies should have had much more self confidence that they were in the right.
But you still can't prove they lied about the missiles rather than honestly overestimating the threat. Particularly as the intelligence agencies kept finding stuff that did imply that Saddam had active WMD programmes after the Gulf War, just like he did before.
This being slashdot, consider a car analogy. You have a car it starts to make funny noises and then fails. You take it to the shop and get it fixed. Later on it starts to make funny noises again. You say you think it's going to fail. You take it to the shop and this time it's ok. Does that mean that you lied when you said you thought it was going to fail?
It seems not. Saying Saddam was actively developing WMD was a reasonable inference given his part behaviour. The fact that it turned out he seemed to have stopped in secret is not something either Bush or Blair could have known.
If you want to accuse them of lying, you need some piece of evidence that they knew of and concealed. You don't have that.
I predict that NV and ATI will both invent their own mostly secret architectures and their legions of rabid fanboys will claim that 'their' company's architecture is superior. Microsoft will keep adding stuff to DirectX to work as an abstraction layer over the two.
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They never WIN...
YAAAYYY!!! I'm level 8...
ooh... but I'm not level 9...
Games like that are a sharp contrast of what you have/haven't achieved until you top out the game... and then it's on to the next game.
Blizzard should leverage their synergies and merge with Scientology.
I didn't believe the blizzard link, I'm sure they put the Wow players in pods like in the matrix and run 'em off some sort of industrial nutrient. Hell you could strip 'em down to a central nervous system attached to a brain to save space.
Right because upgrading Linux installations always works every time.
Not every time. You may have broken hardware, or you may erase half of distribution after installing it. Then it won't work.
Umm, you mean you try it and it fails and Linux apologists tell you you have broken or hardare or RTFM. And then you waste ages trying to find someone who actually knows what they are talking about.
Linux is about progress, not back compatibility and no one is willing to do the work to maintain old ABIs or filesystem formats. In fact they often deride Microsoft for caring about it.
In fact, you know absolutely nothing about Linux. ABI changes very slowly, and older versions will work with modern kernel, and may require old libraries that usually are provided in "compatibility" package for this very purpose.
Hmm, that's ok if someone bothers to do it. Otherwise you need to do it yourself. And my point is how many people are going to get it right for a 13 year old disti.
E.g. Firefox 3 won't work on Fedora Core 4 which is a lot newer than 13 years.
http://www.scienceforums.net/forum/showthread.php?p=417678
What Microsoft does is different -- it has SHITTY OLD INTERFACE, and it continues throwing shit into the newer and newer versions of its OS supposedly to provide compatibility with old shit, but really to avoid making any progress toward anything better. Instead of deprecating obviously bad systems such as most of Win32, everything new is either added or built on top of it. The reason for it is very simple -- it's very difficult to provide a compatibility layer on another platform that will imitate extremely bad, poorly designed, bug-ridden subsystem in a way that will support all "creative uses" and workarounds that accumulated over decades of evolution of such a massive engineering failure. If Windows wasn't that bad, Wine (or Windows interface under OS/2 before it, or Wabi,...) would be orders of magnitude more simple, and it would become "better Windows than Windows". With Windows being full of unmaintainable finicky crap every imitation of it necessarily has to be full of unmaintainable finicky crap.
You say shit a lot. But it's sort of interesting that I can run Firefox 3 on Windows 2000, which is a lot older than FC4.
And that's because of all the work people like Raymond Chen do on making sure that software works after an upgrade. Because Microsoft want to sell you that upgrade. In the FOSS world no one gives a shit because there's no money in it. If some developer does some refactoring that inconveniences a user, the user goes to the community which is full of people like you yelling that they are idiots and the sort of work Raymond does is shit. That's why Linux has negligable market share
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=10
Hmm, doesn't that seem a bit of an ad hominem attack to you? Even if it were true how does it affect what I'm saying.
You and other Microsoft defenders have literally flooded this discussion with your comments. Obviously you are trying to create an impression of validity by posting large number of comments with unsupported claims instead of participating in a discussion.
I just like trolling people like you who will defend Linux without knowing anything about how much work good commercial companies put into migration plans and ABI stability. No one cares about that shit on Linux. If you want it to work you need to reinstall a new OS every few months.
If this is true, please tell me what embedded systems are. Then I will know what to avoid like plague because it's made by a person so hopelessly
All Linux distributions that existed 13 years ago can be upgraded to the current versions (along with all software and users' settings).
Right because upgrading Linux installations always works every time.
http://www.dadhacker.com/blog/?p=1007
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=322418
Also good luck downloading a new installation over the sort of internet connection these machines will have in the third world. And good luck trying to get tech support when it fails on some percentage of the machines when you can't afford an international call. These people pay an absolutely higher price per bit transferred or per minute of transatlantic call than people in the first world pay but earn 10x less. It was literally cheaper to call from Sweden to Thailand than to call from Thailand to Sweden. Their internet access is far worse too. On the other hand commercial software is 'free' because piracy is rampant.
The fact is for the sort of people these machines are aimed at, no updates means that security holes will stay unpatched.
And realistically would any software support upgrading on a 13 year old machine? Over that time filesystems will have changed. Linux is about progress, not back compatibility and no one is willing to do the work to maintain old ABIs or filesystem formats. In fact they often deride Microsoft for caring about it.
Even worse, over 13 years instruction sets change. And support for old ones are dropped in new software.
There's loads of scope for breaking Linux updates.
I actually think that given that these machines are going to be passed to technically unsophisticated people with poor communications access, Linux doesn't seem such a good idea.
Of course, being one of many Microsoft marketing people in this thread you can't know this.
Hmm, doesn't that seem a bit of an ad hominem attack to you? Even if it were true how does it affect what I'm saying. Hell, I spend my time working on embedded systems at work, but Linux was too much trouble to maintain at home.
I suppose they're the ones that start the "COUNT TO 5 AND GET CP" threads on 4chan too.
Heck, look at William Buckley, certainlt a critical and indpendent thinker, who would present profund insight into the value of personal libery and personal choice, and then in the next breath condemn legal abortion as a great evil.
Abortion is one of those weird issues. As an atheist and a materialist I think people's consciousness is solely due to their brain operating. Your brain isn't wired up until sometime after you are born, and so unborn babies basically don't have any rights. So from my perspective abortion is ok - the mother's right to choose trumps the foetus's right to live.
Christians view this differently. They believe in immortal souls which are created by God at conception and which are the conscious entities (as I understand it). And I think if you believe that then it follows that abortion is wrong.
Even scientifically consciousness is ill understood. I think I can accept the fact that some people want to draw the age line where humans get rights differently, just like people disagree about rights for animals. Actually most people would place the line earlier than I do by disallowing late term abortions. I can actually live with that as a safety margin.
Anonymous is not doing us a favor by hacking Palin's email. First, anyone concerned with privacy rights should be alarmed not just by the intrusion, but by the 'it's okay, we did it for a good reason' defense. I would think that a group known as Anonymous would get that.
Are you kidding? These are the guys that torment teenagers with webcams until they cry, or post flashing gifs on forums for epileptics. They're doing for the lulz, i.e. to create chaos and then laugh at it. People that mention ethics get denounced as 'moralfags'.
Seriously, spend some time on 4chan's /b/ board for a while and you'll realise who silly what you just said is.
Or any evidence.
I liked enjoyed Jerry Mcguire too. Mind you I enjoyed the Cold War.
I love the glasses. They're so bad!
I think there should be a comma between off and cunt.
Apart from that the comment was flawless.
Microsoft loves us and wants us to be happy.
Like a Big Brother or something.
XP is still being shipped on netbooks and they will provide fixes for it until 2014. That means that XP will have been supported for 13 years, since it was released in 2001.
Good luck on getting fixes for a 13 year old Linux distribution.
God bless Bill. He fights for our freedom.
I've always wondered if you could use the Streisand effect to your advantage.
E.g. in this case Mayor Harkonnen appoints Sgt Glossu Rabban to head up the police department. Glossu Rabban sues people for linking and is generally an asshole. He becomes vastly unpopular and Mayor Harkonnen sacks him and appoints Sgt Feyd Rautha, his nephew. Afterwards both Mayor Harkonnen and Sgt Rautha are popular for ridding the world of Glossu Rabban.
From http://www.bratcitywebdesign.com/
Sheboygan Police department sued Jennifer Reisinger when she added a link to them on her website
This post should be indexed by Google quite soon ;-)
Mod me up if you support FREEDOM and oppose FASCISM!!!11
That all sounds quite admirable. But you still don't have any real reason for saying Bush and Blair lied other than a skepticism of governments. I remember at the end of the Gulf War thinking that the US should have bitten the bullet and backed the uprising against Saddam, even if that wasn't what they originally planned.
And from then on until the second Gulf War it seemed like it would be a better thing to pay the short term finite cost of removing him than get slowly bled dry by the regime.
So when it was clear that Bush planned to get him, I was obviously sympathetic. The WMD pretext was a clever way to legalise it, courtesy of Jack Straw, Blair and Powell. I'm not sure I'd have supported it knowing the duration of the insurgency, but that seems to be ending.
Both Bush and Blair will lose power in disgrace for it, so it's not like it's the beginning of empire.
Actually the best objection I can think of to it is that it ties down troops and that might make the Chinese push their luck just like the Russians did. Since I'm in Taiwan at the moment, I'm likely fucked in that case. Still, The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men, gang aft agley, as Napoleon said with a chuckle on his return from Moscow.
I have ADD you insens
Uh, no. You don't shoot. You don't get mad, you don't lose your calm. That's the worst that could happen. If you can disarm the guy, you do so. If not, you give the guy what he wants, then call the police with info.
What about deterrent theory though? If criminals expect to be shot dead by some inbred redneck they're a lot less likely to burgle than if they expect to be surrendered too.
Of course the small minority that do decide to burgle in this situation will probably shoot first. But that's all the more incentive to kill them before they kill you. I wouldn't probably hang the burglars bald, tatooed pelts up in front of the house afterwards though like some folks do. I'd want future burglars to think it was a handin' over house not a killin' house. Hell I'd put up lots of hippy signs to make 'em think I was an easy mark. And then kill 'em on sight with my six gun.
Or answer in a funny way. "Would you shoot children egging your house?" "Yeah, but I wouldn't lead 'em as much".
Texas is funny. In the UK there was much handwringing after someone shot and killed a burglar. The BBC interviewed a Texan lawyer who said something like "In Texas when you break into someone's house you lose some of the rights you have walking down the street. Like the right to life".
So will Google have to have armed guards to shoot pirates? Is killing people to protect your servers considered "evil" ?
No!
What? Why are you looking at me like that.
You know there's a deeper philosphical difference we have here. Someone once parodied conservatives as believing in "my country right or wrong". Clearly, that's not good if your country turns out to be wrong.
But what about the case where you believe "my country is always wrong". Might that too turn out to be not good if your country turns out to be right? And the thing is given their totalitarian scumbag opponents, the US/UK are usually the good guys. Particularly I think during the Cold War free societies should have had much more self confidence that they were in the right.
But you still can't prove they lied about the missiles rather than honestly overestimating the threat. Particularly as the intelligence agencies kept finding stuff that did imply that Saddam had active WMD programmes after the Gulf War, just like he did before.
This being slashdot, consider a car analogy. You have a car it starts to make funny noises and then fails. You take it to the shop and get it fixed. Later on it starts to make funny noises again. You say you think it's going to fail. You take it to the shop and this time it's ok. Does that mean that you lied when you said you thought it was going to fail?
It seems not. Saying Saddam was actively developing WMD was a reasonable inference given his part behaviour. The fact that it turned out he seemed to have stopped in secret is not something either Bush or Blair could have known.
If you want to accuse them of lying, you need some piece of evidence that they knew of and concealed. You don't have that.
I predict that NV and ATI will both invent their own mostly secret architectures and their legions of rabid fanboys will claim that 'their' company's architecture is superior. Microsoft will keep adding stuff to DirectX to work as an abstraction layer over the two.