Well, you have a point, but there are other ways, and no single way should be seen as the silver bullet. For example: damnit, I had a really good reply, but it contained too many junk characters... go figure
An absolutely brilliant idea. If the tester humans have to converse with computers AND humans of varying degrees of intellectual discourse capacity, the difference between computers and humans (on average) might become quite small. a very interesting point.
You are exactly right, and that is why I think Tubleweed's comment is going to be the funniest in this thread.
The idea that humans, any human, is a fine example of perfection for AI researchers to aim for is like saying that ANY OS is a fine example of perfection to aim for. Simply because we don't abandon or throw away non-perfect humans as a rule does not mean that all are intelligent, or worthy of copying.
Actually, crime does pay... until you get caught. And according to the US justice and political system, if you have made the right friends and spent some of your money in the right places (campaigns) then even if you do get caught, crime continues to pay. Just remember to forget how many houses you have.
It's long been policy that government officials do not use non-government email and communications methods that circumvent the official logging of such communications. What she did was wrong, and in fact just as bad as the Whitehouse administration using non-whitehouse email services for official communications.
Though the guy who accessed her emails might be in trouble, I'd like to see a jury refuse to convict him. He should be seen as a whistleblower and protected, not prosecuted.
She hasn't even been elected to the Whitehouse yet and she has shown herself to be full of ineptitude and corruption. He is a hero in my book.
When you stand there and hold up MS Office as 'the' standard, you are asking for ridicule. Remember that one size does NOT fit all. To say that MS Office is that one size fits all is ridiculous. It's quite probable that for any given conversation about office productivity software you'll be holding the rotten sea bass that nobody likes. Sure, in some conversations you'll be holding the golden calf, but it is likely that more often you will not be. This is true of any software package that you hold up as the 'one size fits all' solution.
With that said, every software package will have its detractors as well as fans. To say that there is no way it will gain ground is hubris. I laugh in your general direction. If you expected it to be just like MS Office, you are like a bad American tourist in Germany looking for a Starbucks.
It works, and for many people. Therefore your conclusion is not wholly aligned with the truth of the world. I'm not saying it's better, I'm saying it's different and depending on your requirements, it's likely that OpenOffice is better.
is the sound of a company dieing... seriously. Yes, there will be those that call this post a troll, but look at the facts. What new product has MS announced that was not met with criticism and derision? What have they done in the last 5 years that improved the personal computing world? World leaders they no longer are. The MS way of doing things is no longer the ONLY way to do things.
The more they try to launch products which are locked into their own ecosystem, the more people laugh. There are entire countries that have rejected MS products, never mind the users who do so on their own. When entire countries and industries reject your products you have a serious problem. MS has not and is not addressing that problem. They seem to be blindly going down the same road that led to this situation without concern for how they will make money in the next decade.
It amounts to basically a rotting corpse on the sidewalk with a beggars cup held out. That is just my opinion, and it stems from the lack of anything good or beneficial coming from MS. YMMV
In fact, I think you have something. If only the sound track in the example were posted to Youtube, would it have been infringement? Would anyone have listened to it? I posit that it would have been useless without the little dancing kid, and therefore is a 'new' work based loosely on impressions from Prince's work, and thus required some semblance of his work to create the second and 'new' work.
How much profit should go to prince? None. He got free advertising and possibly should pay a royalty to the second artist. After all, if it weren't for the video there would only be 4 people thinking of Prince's music... 3 if you don't count him, or something like that.
The "time limit of popularity" has passed. His music is not on the charts anymore so using it is not unfairly drawing off his work to garner profit or popularity. In fact, it can be argued that he garnered popularity because of this second work. Once that "time limit" passes, copyright is arguably invalid.
Just wanted to say I think that there are a couple of problems with what you have said. First, spam filtering is the equivalent of 'racial profiling' and that is simply not allowed... right? What you suggest is tantamount to giving the green light to racial profiling.
Don't believe me? Try it for yourself. You are arguing from a naive logic point of view. You seem to believe that those on the working end of this process have no reason to be mean or would never abuse their authority based on their own tepid personal morals?
Indeed, there should be very very few cases of probable cause, and thus very very very few cases of search/seizure of papers(data).
Sometimes you have to block non-spam to catch most of the spam, or you block nothing but the most obvious spam, and still have a trashed inbox.
This is what we call a 'FAIL' in the bizz. Yes, there is no perfect world, but the last thing you want to do is block a valid email. The effects become chilling when you consider that what you are talking about is 'blocking' humans.
Lets put some theoretical numbers in here: How many terrorists are there in the world? 500? 5000? How many people fly through airports every day? What is that, like 0.000001% of possible passenger traffic? So, you think it is ok to inconvenience grandmas and 4 year olds for the sake of finding a needle in a haystack that has exactly zero probability of actually existing.
Yes, for you statisticians, that was awful, but it does illustrate my point. This is NOT like blocking spam. Spam is certain. Terrorists are not. Any inconvenience to normal passenger traffic is tantamount to the terrorists winning. game. set. match.
Do you think this leaves any egg on the faces of the board at Diebold (or whatever name they will be using in November)?
No, they won't bother acting embarrassed about how poorly their machines perform, or the cost for those machines. What they will be busy doing is building plausible denial stories so they won't actually be fingered for fixing the vote. Honestly. I mean come on, how else is W going to get elected again? It would seem that in recent history, every voting scandal ends up electing a Republican. So get ready to find the money trail from McSame to Diebold.
Yeah yeah, mod that troll, but pause to think about it first. Brazil is not exactly the worlds premier source of high tech or exemplary voting practices, but they seem to have it right now.... with no less than electronic voting machines and with Linux. So you have to know there are those in the USA that are saying "I told you so, see, it can be done" and there are those that are thinking "What a bunch of fucktards this government is... buying rigged machines from Diebold. Lets go down to Brazil and see those machines then make some that are cheaper, more reliable, and contract out to multiple manufacturers with a single design so that no one group has control."
Arguably, voting is one of the most important functions of government. They should be able to get it right. When you look around the globe, the countries with messed up voting processes are the ones you know are run by corrupt governments. America has messed up voting processes for over a decade now. It's about time to call things as we see them.
Did you miss the part where for such keys to work, there has to be a control function? What else has control of that control function? What happens to the data in the black box in your new car now? Would insurance companies misuse that? Would police point a radio device at your car and cause it to stop if they thought "it's in the public interest" if they could? Would taking control of your car "in an emergency" be something they hesitated to do if they could. Risk of death doesn't seem to stop them from tasering kids, old people, and just about anyone in between.
The water is getting warm.... are you going to jump froggy?
Indeed... current empirical evidence indicates that the US government will use any means in their grasp to establish and run a police state. Buying a car that gives them control over your actions is... well, naive at best, fucking stupid at worst.
Until the US government decides to show that they are not trying to install a police state, there is absofuckinglutely NO reason to trust them. period.
I was going to say that:) XBox is hardly enough to motivate me to load windows on any machine I own. Up next, US mint authorized silver certificate reproduction copies of the hundreds of pages of the bail out bill. This authentically signed reproduction can be yours for the small price of $850 Billion US Dollars, paid in three easy payments of (damn, where's a.net calculator when you need one).
Why don't they get a little more real... say MSDN subscription for life? Yeah, I suppose that is too much to give to a MS developer... sheesh
Just as a note, the dairyman that I had to deal with wanted to mod the pager for louder beeps and longer battery life. He had enough cows to overwhelm his milking barn and took them in turns from different fields. The pagers made a huge difference for him. We did the mods - encased it in a 'waterproof' project case, ran battery and speaker connections external from the pager, and all was good. He got about 1 month battery life and effective management of the cows at milking time. I extended my trip to watch the cows come in for milking several times. One of the many odd stories I've collected over the years.
While your reasoning seems sound, it fails in real life. I have worked in the telcomms industry for some time and have personally witnessed the use of pagers in waterproof wrappings, taped to a collar around a couple of cows, for the express purpose of telling them when it is milking time. Inside of 2 weeks the cows were reliably answering the pager call. Given the right motivation, even dumb cows can be convinced to do the 'right thing' most of the time. Using some technology to reduce the amount of manpower required to convince them is nothing but good.
Pagers, BTW, would not cost $900 per cow, and empirical evidence suggests that only the lead cows really need the pager around their necks.
Why is this news and NOT standard practice already? I'm sorry, it should not be news that computers can do 'things' as well as humans in many cases. Why this has not been implemented is seriously something to think about, not the fact that it is possible.
Saying that computers can be as good as a human at some things is like saying different brands of cow milk taste the same. Why is this not standard now! Computers are more capable at many tasks, especially things that are repetitive and tedious. sigh
You nailed it and never even mentioned it. MS has their own competing standard and should NEVER be allowed to sway standards governing bodies as long as they have their own competing standard. Of course, their plan is to get in, change things so they are the progenitors of the ONLY standard. This is MS's monopolistic practices in action. It needs to be stopped immediately or standards bodies should immediately reject all MS proposals outright... or both.
It's fine to argue that you have a better method, it's altogether a different beast to prove it. So far, MS has been unable to prove anything but that they are a predatory and monopolistic business entity that needs to be put to rest so the rest of the world can get along in peace.
Well, if anything of what I've seen in the last 48 hours actually picks up speed, those will be EX-congresspeople soon enough.
I'm looking forward to helping slashdot congressional and senatorial websites. I'm already looking for software/website code to help with that. Not that hundreds of other people don't already have this type of code in place. I just want to make sure that future slashdottings make the news with the same fury as this bail-out bill did.
Yes, the American people have been robbed, and reports that there will be or are investigations into threats of marshal law might help bring that money back to the coffers... who knows for certain.
It's only strange because the editors did not give this story an 'isatrap' tag. MediaDefender and more specifically it's board spent too much time watching 'It takes a theif' and snorting coke when they should have been paying attention in law school.
Oh where Oh where is Judge Roy Bean when you need him. He'd bring Chuck Norris in as the bailiff, and ninjas as the jury, then ask the entire prosecuting attorneys team questions from an LSAT study book before each day of court to ensure they actually sent lawyers. I want to see Chuck escort one or two of them out of the courtroom for being fakes.
Altogether now, write your congressperson and ask them how they liked that slashdotting? Don't forget to tell them more is on the way. I look forward to hearing which congressional website is slashdotted today, and why.
I'm looking forward to seeing this explanation of networking and the Internet being demonstrated on the floor of the House/Senate, or courtrooms soon.:)
Slashdot Mirror
Well, you have a point, but there are other ways, and no single way should be seen as the silver bullet. For example:
damnit, I had a really good reply, but it contained too many junk characters... go figure
An absolutely brilliant idea. If the tester humans have to converse with computers AND humans of varying degrees of intellectual discourse capacity, the difference between computers and humans (on average) might become quite small. a very interesting point.
You are exactly right, and that is why I think Tubleweed's comment is going to be the funniest in this thread.
The idea that humans, any human, is a fine example of perfection for AI researchers to aim for is like saying that ANY OS is a fine example of perfection to aim for. Simply because we don't abandon or throw away non-perfect humans as a rule does not mean that all are intelligent, or worthy of copying.
Actually, crime does pay... until you get caught. And according to the US justice and political system, if you have made the right friends and spent some of your money in the right places (campaigns) then even if you do get caught, crime continues to pay. Just remember to forget how many houses you have.
Yeah, go ahead, mark this troll, but it's true.
It's long been policy that government officials do not use non-government email and communications methods that circumvent the official logging of such communications. What she did was wrong, and in fact just as bad as the Whitehouse administration using non-whitehouse email services for official communications.
Though the guy who accessed her emails might be in trouble, I'd like to see a jury refuse to convict him. He should be seen as a whistleblower and protected, not prosecuted.
She hasn't even been elected to the Whitehouse yet and she has shown herself to be full of ineptitude and corruption. He is a hero in my book.
When you stand there and hold up MS Office as 'the' standard, you are asking for ridicule. Remember that one size does NOT fit all. To say that MS Office is that one size fits all is ridiculous. It's quite probable that for any given conversation about office productivity software you'll be holding the rotten sea bass that nobody likes. Sure, in some conversations you'll be holding the golden calf, but it is likely that more often you will not be. This is true of any software package that you hold up as the 'one size fits all' solution.
With that said, every software package will have its detractors as well as fans. To say that there is no way it will gain ground is hubris. I laugh in your general direction. If you expected it to be just like MS Office, you are like a bad American tourist in Germany looking for a Starbucks.
It works, and for many people. Therefore your conclusion is not wholly aligned with the truth of the world. I'm not saying it's better, I'm saying it's different and depending on your requirements, it's likely that OpenOffice is better.
is the sound of a company dieing ... seriously. Yes, there will be those that call this post a troll, but look at the facts. What new product has MS announced that was not met with criticism and derision? What have they done in the last 5 years that improved the personal computing world? World leaders they no longer are. The MS way of doing things is no longer the ONLY way to do things.
The more they try to launch products which are locked into their own ecosystem, the more people laugh. There are entire countries that have rejected MS products, never mind the users who do so on their own. When entire countries and industries reject your products you have a serious problem. MS has not and is not addressing that problem. They seem to be blindly going down the same road that led to this situation without concern for how they will make money in the next decade.
It amounts to basically a rotting corpse on the sidewalk with a beggars cup held out. That is just my opinion, and it stems from the lack of anything good or beneficial coming from MS. YMMV
In fact, I think you have something. If only the sound track in the example were posted to Youtube, would it have been infringement? Would anyone have listened to it? I posit that it would have been useless without the little dancing kid, and therefore is a 'new' work based loosely on impressions from Prince's work, and thus required some semblance of his work to create the second and 'new' work.
How much profit should go to prince? None. He got free advertising and possibly should pay a royalty to the second artist. After all, if it weren't for the video there would only be 4 people thinking of Prince's music... 3 if you don't count him, or something like that.
The "time limit of popularity" has passed. His music is not on the charts anymore so using it is not unfairly drawing off his work to garner profit or popularity. In fact, it can be argued that he garnered popularity because of this second work. Once that "time limit" passes, copyright is arguably invalid.
Just wanted to say I think that there are a couple of problems with what you have said. First, spam filtering is the equivalent of 'racial profiling' and that is simply not allowed... right? What you suggest is tantamount to giving the green light to racial profiling.
Don't believe me? Try it for yourself. You are arguing from a naive logic point of view. You seem to believe that those on the working end of this process have no reason to be mean or would never abuse their authority based on their own tepid personal morals?
Indeed, there should be very very few cases of probable cause, and thus very very very few cases of search/seizure of papers(data).
Sometimes you have to block non-spam to catch most of the spam, or you block nothing but the most obvious spam, and still have a trashed inbox.
This is what we call a 'FAIL' in the bizz. Yes, there is no perfect world, but the last thing you want to do is block a valid email. The effects become chilling when you consider that what you are talking about is 'blocking' humans.
Lets put some theoretical numbers in here: How many terrorists are there in the world? 500? 5000? How many people fly through airports every day? What is that, like 0.000001% of possible passenger traffic? So, you think it is ok to inconvenience grandmas and 4 year olds for the sake of finding a needle in a haystack that has exactly zero probability of actually existing.
Yes, for you statisticians, that was awful, but it does illustrate my point. This is NOT like blocking spam. Spam is certain. Terrorists are not. Any inconvenience to normal passenger traffic is tantamount to the terrorists winning. game. set. match.
TTFN
Do you think this leaves any egg on the faces of the board at Diebold (or whatever name they will be using in November)?
No, they won't bother acting embarrassed about how poorly their machines perform, or the cost for those machines. What they will be busy doing is building plausible denial stories so they won't actually be fingered for fixing the vote. Honestly. I mean come on, how else is W going to get elected again? It would seem that in recent history, every voting scandal ends up electing a Republican. So get ready to find the money trail from McSame to Diebold.
Yeah yeah, mod that troll, but pause to think about it first. Brazil is not exactly the worlds premier source of high tech or exemplary voting practices, but they seem to have it right now.... with no less than electronic voting machines and with Linux. So you have to know there are those in the USA that are saying "I told you so, see, it can be done" and there are those that are thinking "What a bunch of fucktards this government is... buying rigged machines from Diebold. Lets go down to Brazil and see those machines then make some that are cheaper, more reliable, and contract out to multiple manufacturers with a single design so that no one group has control."
Arguably, voting is one of the most important functions of government. They should be able to get it right. When you look around the globe, the countries with messed up voting processes are the ones you know are run by corrupt governments. America has messed up voting processes for over a decade now. It's about time to call things as we see them.
Did you miss the part where for such keys to work, there has to be a control function? What else has control of that control function? What happens to the data in the black box in your new car now? Would insurance companies misuse that? Would police point a radio device at your car and cause it to stop if they thought "it's in the public interest" if they could? Would taking control of your car "in an emergency" be something they hesitated to do if they could. Risk of death doesn't seem to stop them from tasering kids, old people, and just about anyone in between.
The water is getting warm.... are you going to jump froggy?
Indeed... current empirical evidence indicates that the US government will use any means in their grasp to establish and run a police state. Buying a car that gives them control over your actions is ... well, naive at best, fucking stupid at worst.
Until the US government decides to show that they are not trying to install a police state, there is absofuckinglutely NO reason to trust them. period.
Now THAT is funny!
I was going to say that :) .net calculator when you need one).
XBox is hardly enough to motivate me to load windows on any machine I own. Up next, US mint authorized silver certificate reproduction copies of the hundreds of pages of the bail out bill. This authentically signed reproduction can be yours for the small price of $850 Billion US Dollars, paid in three easy payments of (damn, where's a
Why don't they get a little more real... say MSDN subscription for life? Yeah, I suppose that is too much to give to a MS developer... sheesh
Just as a note, the dairyman that I had to deal with wanted to mod the pager for louder beeps and longer battery life. He had enough cows to overwhelm his milking barn and took them in turns from different fields. The pagers made a huge difference for him. We did the mods - encased it in a 'waterproof' project case, ran battery and speaker connections external from the pager, and all was good. He got about 1 month battery life and effective management of the cows at milking time. I extended my trip to watch the cows come in for milking several times. One of the many odd stories I've collected over the years.
While your reasoning seems sound, it fails in real life. I have worked in the telcomms industry for some time and have personally witnessed the use of pagers in waterproof wrappings, taped to a collar around a couple of cows, for the express purpose of telling them when it is milking time. Inside of 2 weeks the cows were reliably answering the pager call. Given the right motivation, even dumb cows can be convinced to do the 'right thing' most of the time. Using some technology to reduce the amount of manpower required to convince them is nothing but good.
Pagers, BTW, would not cost $900 per cow, and empirical evidence suggests that only the lead cows really need the pager around their necks.
Why is this news and NOT standard practice already? I'm sorry, it should not be news that computers can do 'things' as well as humans in many cases. Why this has not been implemented is seriously something to think about, not the fact that it is possible.
Saying that computers can be as good as a human at some things is like saying different brands of cow milk taste the same. Why is this not standard now! Computers are more capable at many tasks, especially things that are repetitive and tedious. sigh
You nailed it and never even mentioned it. MS has their own competing standard and should NEVER be allowed to sway standards governing bodies as long as they have their own competing standard. Of course, their plan is to get in, change things so they are the progenitors of the ONLY standard. This is MS's monopolistic practices in action. It needs to be stopped immediately or standards bodies should immediately reject all MS proposals outright... or both.
It's fine to argue that you have a better method, it's altogether a different beast to prove it. So far, MS has been unable to prove anything but that they are a predatory and monopolistic business entity that needs to be put to rest so the rest of the world can get along in peace.
Well, if anything of what I've seen in the last 48 hours actually picks up speed, those will be EX-congresspeople soon enough.
I'm looking forward to helping slashdot congressional and senatorial websites. I'm already looking for software/website code to help with that. Not that hundreds of other people don't already have this type of code in place. I just want to make sure that future slashdottings make the news with the same fury as this bail-out bill did.
Yes, the American people have been robbed, and reports that there will be or are investigations into threats of marshal law might help bring that money back to the coffers... who knows for certain.
Obviously you do not know the legend of Judge Roy Bean. Ninjas are invisible, right? That's what the jury box would look like... empty.
It's only strange because the editors did not give this story an 'isatrap' tag. MediaDefender and more specifically it's board spent too much time watching 'It takes a theif' and snorting coke when they should have been paying attention in law school.
Oh where Oh where is Judge Roy Bean when you need him. He'd bring Chuck Norris in as the bailiff, and ninjas as the jury, then ask the entire prosecuting attorneys team questions from an LSAT study book before each day of court to ensure they actually sent lawyers. I want to see Chuck escort one or two of them out of the courtroom for being fakes.
I thought it was the 'Take this chair and throw it' department? What gives?
Altogether now, write your congressperson and ask them how they liked that slashdotting? Don't forget to tell them more is on the way. I look forward to hearing which congressional website is slashdotted today, and why.
I'm looking forward to seeing this explanation of networking and the Internet being demonstrated on the floor of the House/Senate, or courtrooms soon. :)
Look, NO tubes!
If any kid has a cast on (borked arm/leg etc.) make them the end kid inthe network so you can change out the broken parts ROFL