Just download a phone directory and spam everyone with generated accusations. They would either have to disconnect the whole country or rethink this utter stupidity.
Historical trend shows that when the economy is in a recession/crisis/bad shape, that's when people turn towards the radically new. Sort of like a forest fire, it opens up opportunities for startups and new things.
Not just technically. It would be a huge, huge routing problem to do so and the regional registrars would step in to get back the IPs, since they are delegated and not bought or sold.
This will cause everyone to focus more on IP conservation.
...and 6 months later when the IP addresses run out for good, we're back at the old problem. Why not solve the problem properly, instead of degrading much of the Internet with NAT and putting up barriers to growth - especially in the mobile communications sector?
...but it's good to see this fact receiving some mainstream attention. I guess it's inevitable that people now tend to ask that if it costs x dollars to transfer y megabyte from my phone, why do text messages cost a lot more when they are so tiny? In the digital age text message fees seem more and more ludicrous even to ordinary people.
I'm tired of the "people are stupid" argument. A lot of them are, yes - but those who have some knowledge about computers are more influential and therefor exert influence on the stupid people. Which is why I think that for example articles in The Economist about linux netbooks are ahead of the curve.
I can see this working if the websites offer a way through a standardized API to share this information. Then support becomes the problem of the website. If this thing catches on, it would be the best interest of website owners to support it and the users would love it. This is similar in concept to a more complex version of RSS support.
Please, next time you feel the urge to post nonsensical drivel, think about it first. NAT + uPNP is NOT perfectly capable and compatible. It's a fucking ugly hack, causing numerous security issues or making them worse like the last DNS vulnerability. Also, if all the IPv4 ips would be sanely distributed and rationed, people calculated that we'd only gain a few months, a year more tops until the pool runs out completely.
Why charge for IPs when all you need is to switch to a different numbering, solving the problem properly? You do realise that sticking with IPv4 will be a huge economic burden on the long term, don't you?
Everybody who's not a journalist should know that it's not true.
1.) Once IPv6 kicks in at the ISP level proper, it's their responsibility from there on to provide connectivity between IPv4 and IPv6 space. IPv4 ip addresses are embedded in IPv6 btw, so addressing them is not a problem.
2.) There are established procedures for that. Otherwise, how could your cable modem/router doing the NAT tell?:) The keyword here is "drop and reconnect". You can use DHCP the same way your modem/router can.
3.) It would only help the IPv4 shortage if large swaths of ISPs would be behind NAT, multiple levels of NAT actually. It is not practical to do so on the global scale and therefor does nothing to help conserve IPv4 addresses. Your reasoning in 1. is flawed, IPv6 does solve shortage problems.
NAT devices can't really do that, not if they want to carry on working properly - at least not in a busy environment. NAT if you think about extending the numbering of IPv4 just by mapping ports to machine addresses. Once you have a number of non-trivial machines running inside NAT, like the environment where you'd be running DNS servers, that's the environment exactly where you have a shortage of ports to randomize from. Tough luck, innit?
NAT is causing fucked up problems that are serious but aren't given enough publicity, like making the big DNS vulnerability of the year still apply, even if the software side is fixed due to NAT's tendency to line up/reuse port numbers instead of randomizing them - even if the application side did randomize.
NAT is a horrible, horrible thing that shouldn't be used because it's causing subtle but ultimately very bad things to happen. Besides, home routers could just come with a default denial of all incoming packets unless they are related to an open connection rule to substitute the "firewalling" people enjoy with NAT.
...the voters. Isn't it natural that the winning candidate will appeal to the journalists more aswell, than the losing one? Especially in a historic election as this one.
The problem is perception. There is no analog way of gauing shortage by the price going up slowly. First of all, for big ISPs there is no price, IP is handed out on a need-to-have basis by the regional agencies afaik.
From an economic perspective the second problem - the digital nature of IPv4 is worse. One week you're getting your new IPs that you need and the other week you don't - because it's been exhausted. Most likely CEOs at telcos don't understand that they won't be able to just get more by paying more. Once it's gone it's gone. Rationing would create a large mess and extend the deadline just a few more months.
Fair use is a legal defense to be used in court, therefor everyone who wants to avoid defending their case in a court avoids including copyrighted stuff in their works even if it's clearly fair use.
When I say POS I mainly mean it's ridden with thousands of bugs that makes the game something of an early beta / late alpha, not a releaseable thing. Their whole client is messed up beyond belief with performance issues and weird bugs. Plus some of the annoying things are apparently considered features like an EULA agreement coming up on every launch. Talk about stupid.
LOTRO just had a free weekend (If you ever had an account you can play for free even if you're not subscribed atm, plus there was a +25% xp gain for the weekend).
It's also possible that LOTRO numbers went up because people realised warhammer online is a buggy POS, like I did.
Start with the basics and work your way up from there.
I'd suggest axiomatic set theory first coupled with computing history, linear algebra and analysis. Throw in some logic into the mix for good measure. Once they got the basics point them towards the linux kernel and start discussing the more interesting issues of SMP, scheduling, latency and memory management.
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I wouldn't care even if it would be the best coded thing ever. Reasonable people shun non multiplatform, non-open formats and that's that.
Just download a phone directory and spam everyone with generated accusations. They would either have to disconnect the whole country or rethink this utter stupidity.
I'm tired of your stupid jokes, wowbagger!
Historical trend shows that when the economy is in a recession/crisis/bad shape, that's when people turn towards the radically new. Sort of like a forest fire, it opens up opportunities for startups and new things.
Not just technically. It would be a huge, huge routing problem to do so and the regional registrars would step in to get back the IPs, since they are delegated and not bought or sold.
Actually, my plan is sheer elegance in it's simplicity.
...but it's good to see this fact receiving some mainstream attention. I guess it's inevitable that people now tend to ask that if it costs x dollars to transfer y megabyte from my phone, why do text messages cost a lot more when they are so tiny? In the digital age text message fees seem more and more ludicrous even to ordinary people.
- You repeat this process infinite many times, thus solving the problem once and for all.
- But, but...
- ONCE AND FOR ALL!
(Also, about 37 foldings of it would make the paper so high to reach the moon).
I'm tired of the "people are stupid" argument. A lot of them are, yes - but those who have some knowledge about computers are more influential and therefor exert influence on the stupid people. Which is why I think that for example articles in The Economist about linux netbooks are ahead of the curve.
This post will self-destruct in five seconds. [Poster walks away while the MI theme song plays in the background.]
I can see this working if the websites offer a way through a standardized API to share this information. Then support becomes the problem of the website. If this thing catches on, it would be the best interest of website owners to support it and the users would love it. This is similar in concept to a more complex version of RSS support.
Please, next time you feel the urge to post nonsensical drivel, think about it first. NAT + uPNP is NOT perfectly capable and compatible. It's a fucking ugly hack, causing numerous security issues or making them worse like the last DNS vulnerability. Also, if all the IPv4 ips would be sanely distributed and rationed, people calculated that we'd only gain a few months, a year more tops until the pool runs out completely.
Why charge for IPs when all you need is to switch to a different numbering, solving the problem properly? You do realise that sticking with IPv4 will be a huge economic burden on the long term, don't you?
But how can I argue with that! Everyone who's not a journalist knows it's not true, well except the little fringe lunatic organization holding together the actual allocations of IPv4 addresses in Europe called RIPE, or the similar organizations all around the world. In fact, "There is now consensus among Regional Internet Registries that final milestones of the exhaustion process will be met in 2010 or 2011, at the latest, and a policy process has started for the end-game and post-exhaustion era."
1.) Once IPv6 kicks in at the ISP level proper, it's their responsibility from there on to provide connectivity between IPv4 and IPv6 space. IPv4 ip addresses are embedded in IPv6 btw, so addressing them is not a problem.
:) The keyword here is "drop and reconnect". You can use DHCP the same way your modem/router can.
2.) There are established procedures for that. Otherwise, how could your cable modem/router doing the NAT tell?
3.) It would only help the IPv4 shortage if large swaths of ISPs would be behind NAT, multiple levels of NAT actually. It is not practical to do so on the global scale and therefor does nothing to help conserve IPv4 addresses. Your reasoning in 1. is flawed, IPv6 does solve shortage problems.
NAT devices can't really do that, not if they want to carry on working properly - at least not in a busy environment. NAT if you think about extending the numbering of IPv4 just by mapping ports to machine addresses. Once you have a number of non-trivial machines running inside NAT, like the environment where you'd be running DNS servers, that's the environment exactly where you have a shortage of ports to randomize from. Tough luck, innit?
NAT is causing fucked up problems that are serious but aren't given enough publicity, like making the big DNS vulnerability of the year still apply, even if the software side is fixed due to NAT's tendency to line up/reuse port numbers instead of randomizing them - even if the application side did randomize.
NAT is a horrible, horrible thing that shouldn't be used because it's causing subtle but ultimately very bad things to happen. Besides, home routers could just come with a default denial of all incoming packets unless they are related to an open connection rule to substitute the "firewalling" people enjoy with NAT.
...the voters. Isn't it natural that the winning candidate will appeal to the journalists more aswell, than the losing one? Especially in a historic election as this one.
...to make PHP the most retarded computer programming language on the planet.
About the same amount as it takes to build 10 kilometres of underground metro in Budapest.
The problem is perception. There is no analog way of gauing shortage by the price going up slowly. First of all, for big ISPs there is no price, IP is handed out on a need-to-have basis by the regional agencies afaik.
From an economic perspective the second problem - the digital nature of IPv4 is worse. One week you're getting your new IPs that you need and the other week you don't - because it's been exhausted. Most likely CEOs at telcos don't understand that they won't be able to just get more by paying more. Once it's gone it's gone. Rationing would create a large mess and extend the deadline just a few more months.
Fair use is a legal defense to be used in court, therefor everyone who wants to avoid defending their case in a court avoids including copyrighted stuff in their works even if it's clearly fair use.
Terrible state of affairs.
When I say POS I mainly mean it's ridden with thousands of bugs that makes the game something of an early beta / late alpha, not a releaseable thing. Their whole client is messed up beyond belief with performance issues and weird bugs. Plus some of the annoying things are apparently considered features like an EULA agreement coming up on every launch. Talk about stupid.
LOTRO just had a free weekend (If you ever had an account you can play for free even if you're not subscribed atm, plus there was a +25% xp gain for the weekend).
It's also possible that LOTRO numbers went up because people realised warhammer online is a buggy POS, like I did.
Start with the basics and work your way up from there.
I'd suggest axiomatic set theory first coupled with computing history, linear algebra and analysis. Throw in some logic into the mix for good measure. Once they got the basics point them towards the linux kernel and start discussing the more interesting issues of SMP, scheduling, latency and memory management.
No benefit? You can get free porn via turning on ipv6. See more here.
I don't feel sorry for the athletes. They participate in the circus willingly and use a ton of drugs to achieve unnatural things.
Now that I think about it, we ougth to award some biochemistry awards for some Olympic records...