I don't understand why switching the CPU would make Macs more commong as you say. People who buy the Macs now will continue to buy them for the same reasons they do now and people who don't buy them will continue to avoid them for the same reasons they do now.
Changing the CPU will not change the target market of the macs. They will still be 'special hardware' (read you can't just build your own) running a nifty but not the main stream OS.
The market does not have to be sustained for the same reasons. People buy vinyl because they believe it is better than CDs. They might buy VHS because it's cheaper or any old reason.
If it remains profitable to sell it then I don't see why it will disappear. Some shops might find out that the demand is not worth stocking VHS but on the other hand some stores might come up that only cater for the VHS clients. Somehow a la Vinyl. If the demand persists.
I'm quite sure that Microsoft wouldn't love anything more than being able to enforce such things but I doubt that this is the main issue why oems don't do it.
The main issue is cost. Most (read all) businesses aren't about ideology. Why would they go through the trouble to disable some of windows and install Openoffice and firefox? If for example real was paying them to isntall their play, then I could understand but going through the trouble to install 3rd party software is not on the oem's agenda.
You would only be exchanging virus and spyware support calls for 'why can't I open this website' 'Why doesn't this activeX work on my 'internet'', 'why doesn't that doc sent to me by a friend look the same on my computer' kind of calls.
Seeing how they treat most of the virus/spyware problems (reinstall). I say they would prefer them to the alternative.
If he's stuck with one particular release then he 'can't keep his ultra up-to-date'. That's what the original poster said. he doesn't want just an OS or a distro. He wants one that still supports his chip, releases updates to it and so on and so forth.
I don't see a problem with IIS being on the same installation disk as windows as long as it is not obligatory and is not installed by default. After all, the number of different programs that come on most Linux distribution is significant. There is no need to make it more difficult to get various programs. The trick is to let the user choose what to install according to their need and not force it down his/her throat
I'm quite sure it's illegal for the govs in the EU to finance Apple, IBM and Sun.
Why wouldn't free softrware need or want support? I think 5 million a day can pay for the time for a lot of developpers so that they can do what they do best full time. You don't think that OSS benefits from paid developpers at RH and IBM (e.g.) getting paid to work on it fulltime?
The perfect solution would then be to announce that they will use the fines to finance Microsoft competitors (oss?). That would bring MS around quite quickly.
IT's not going to happen, I know. I am sure it would work well though.
ummmm, I don't know what the grandparent's reasons are but what exactly is wrong with saving a few bucks? Not everybody has money to burn. On the other hand he might have already invested in x86 hardware and can't afford to switch.
Why is everybody taking this as trolling? Whether PDF is open or not is not the issue and I wasn't trying to pick on PDF in particular. Imagine opening a deli and serving sandwiches from another store on your opening party.
You have to convince them first that the costs are lower in the long term. That's the selling pitch for microsoft these days. "Buy from us TCO of OSS is much higher"
What usually annoy me even more is govs using proprietary format to publish public data! You need a pdf reader or word to read a public document or worse gov websites that do not work properly without Java or Flash or even IE.
This is mainly a problem with small cities' and towns' websites and especially tourists' offices more than with the main gov's websites but still it's very annoying.
ok, I don't live in the US and I'm definetely not a lawyer, so could you please explain to me why you think that they have no case? They have a trademark on the name Tiger to sell software. Apple came afterwards and started using the same name to market their software(os). Admittedly, the timing of the case proves that their hearts aren't pure, but I always had the impression that the rule of the game in the US courts is to use any tactic to make sure that you win the case.
well if does nothing else, it will give the PC industry a good push next year. The new requiremenets will push a lot of people and organisations to upgrade their PCs to accomodate their new OS.
very true, that's why I mentioned that if they don't have anything you're interested in then it's not useful. The difference howver is that you can chose these free songs or are they going to choose for their subscribers which 25 songs are free this month?
As much as I would like it to be so, I don't know any grandmas or uncle bobs that install their own Linux machine. All the grandmas and uncle bobs that I know don't even know how to install windows (not that's it's necessarily easier but it is the general perception). They either get it shipped with the OS or get their grandson/cousin to install it.
those who get it with the PC most probably will end up with windows anyway. The others will have the support of the half geek to either install a distribution that fits their TC needs or download/patch/recompile the kernel of those that don't.
I must have missed that. It says that for an extra 5$ in the supscription you get to copy the songs to a portable player. Does that not include those free songs?
" Perhaps that logic would hold more weight if the universe of music contained only 25 songs."
You want the whole universe of music to be free? 25 songs is about a free CD every month. That's a good bargain. Do you usually buy more than one CD per month?
Furthermore, you can select 25 songs from 25 different albums if you so wish. This wy you can get onl ythe songs yo ucare about r if you really want to sample albums to see whether you like them or not, then that give you quite a range to select from.
all that assuming that they have an extensive store. Of course it all doesn't matter if they only have 20 albums that interest you
A rock might be rock hard to me, but it might be spoonge-soft to a Giant Crushing SuperMachine(tm).
true but you could invent a hardness scale cr(crushability) (patent pending) and the rock will be say 3cr no matter who is looking at it.
The only difference is how easily you or the GCM can crush but it does not change the rock itself
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Changing the CPU will not change the target market of the macs. They will still be 'special hardware' (read you can't just build your own) running a nifty but not the main stream OS.
The market does not have to be sustained for the same reasons. People buy vinyl because they believe it is better than CDs. They might buy VHS because it's cheaper or any old reason.
If it remains profitable to sell it then I don't see why it will disappear. Some shops might find out that the demand is not worth stocking VHS but on the other hand some stores might come up that only cater for the VHS clients. Somehow a la Vinyl. If the demand persists.
I'm quite sure that Microsoft wouldn't love anything more than being able to enforce such things but I doubt that this is the main issue why oems don't do it.
The main issue is cost. Most (read all) businesses aren't about ideology. Why would they go through the trouble to disable some of windows and install Openoffice and firefox? If for example real was paying them to isntall their play, then I could understand but going through the trouble to install 3rd party software is not on the oem's agenda.
You would only be exchanging virus and spyware support calls for 'why can't I open this website' 'Why doesn't this activeX work on my 'internet'', 'why doesn't that doc sent to me by a friend look the same on my computer' kind of calls.
Seeing how they treat most of the virus/spyware problems (reinstall). I say they would prefer them to the alternative.
That didn't stop DVD manufacturers from creating 'zones' for their products, did it?
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If he's stuck with one particular release then he 'can't keep his ultra up-to-date'. That's what the original poster said. he doesn't want just an OS or a distro. He wants one that still supports his chip, releases updates to it and so on and so forth.
I don't see a problem with IIS being on the same installation disk as windows as long as it is not obligatory and is not installed by default. After all, the number of different programs that come on most Linux distribution is significant. There is no need to make it more difficult to get various programs. The trick is to let the user choose what to install according to their need and not force it down his/her throat
I'm quite sure it's illegal for the govs in the EU to finance Apple, IBM and Sun.
Why wouldn't free softrware need or want support? I think 5 million a day can pay for the time for a lot of developpers so that they can do what they do best full time. You don't think that OSS benefits from paid developpers at RH and IBM (e.g.) getting paid to work on it fulltime?
The perfect solution would then be to announce that they will use the fines to finance Microsoft competitors (oss?). That would bring MS around quite quickly.
IT's not going to happen, I know. I am sure it would work well though.
ummmm, I don't know what the grandparent's reasons are but what exactly is wrong with saving a few bucks? Not everybody has money to burn. On the other hand he might have already invested in x86 hardware and can't afford to switch.
Why is everybody taking this as trolling? Whether PDF is open or not is not the issue and I wasn't trying to pick on PDF in particular. Imagine opening a deli and serving sandwiches from another store on your opening party.
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That it's almost the second page of comments and nobody imagined a Beowulf cluster of these yet!
Your Starwars fanclub membership is hereby revoked. Please step out of the waiting line please.
What usually annoy me even more is govs using proprietary format to publish public data! You need a pdf reader or word to read a public document or worse gov websites that do not work properly without Java or Flash or even IE.
This is mainly a problem with small cities' and towns' websites and especially tourists' offices more than with the main gov's websites but still it's very annoying.
ok, I don't live in the US and I'm definetely not a lawyer, so could you please explain to me why you think that they have no case? They have a trademark on the name Tiger to sell software. Apple came afterwards and started using the same name to market their software(os). Admittedly, the timing of the case proves that their hearts aren't pure, but I always had the impression that the rule of the game in the US courts is to use any tactic to make sure that you win the case.
well if does nothing else, it will give the PC industry a good push next year. The new requiremenets will push a lot of people and organisations to upgrade their PCs to accomodate their new OS.
very true, that's why I mentioned that if they don't have anything you're interested in then it's not useful. The difference howver is that you can chose these free songs or are they going to choose for their subscribers which 25 songs are free this month?
As much as I would like it to be so, I don't know any grandmas or uncle bobs that install their own Linux machine. All the grandmas and uncle bobs that I know don't even know how to install windows (not that's it's necessarily easier but it is the general perception). They either get it shipped with the OS or get their grandson/cousin to install it.
those who get it with the PC most probably will end up with windows anyway. The others will have the support of the half geek to either install a distribution that fits their TC needs or download/patch/recompile the kernel of those that don't.
I must have missed that. It says that for an extra 5$ in the supscription you get to copy the songs to a portable player. Does that not include those free songs?
You want the whole universe of music to be free? 25 songs is about a free CD every month. That's a good bargain. Do you usually buy more than one CD per month?
Furthermore, you can select 25 songs from 25 different albums if you so wish. This wy you can get onl ythe songs yo ucare about r if you really want to sample albums to see whether you like them or not, then that give you quite a range to select from.
all that assuming that they have an extensive store. Of course it all doesn't matter if they only have 20 albums that interest you
at least they didn't call it "iCon for Dummies".
comparing macs to macs isn't very interesting. he has to compare apples to ibms and sunfires otherwise what's the point?
true but you could invent a hardness scale cr(crushability) (patent pending) and the rock will be say 3cr no matter who is looking at it.
The only difference is how easily you or the GCM can crush but it does not change the rock itself