It has a micro USB port, and that's beautiful about it (and the price, of course). That makes it infinitely more expandable than the device it will inevitably be compared against. Who knows, maybe even a camera+mike combo could be connected to it, so you can make Skype calls after all. And connect a nice external storage with thousands of movies. Etc. etc.....
If you want all those options, mics, camera, external storage, etc., why are you even looking at this device?
This is a media consumption device that is cloud based. If you need all those features in a small form factor, but a Netbook/Ultrabook...
I get that people want a 7 inch tablet that does everything, but this is not the device to do it.
It was reported that this device was running a forked version of Android, that was heavily skinned. What if that is not the full case. What if it were more of a custom compatibility layer that allows android apps to run on the Kindle OS, similar to how the Playbook does things.
Unlike the Nook Color, the Kindle Fire does not have a storage expansion slot and is limited specifically to the Amazon App store. I understand why they are doing this, but I'm wondering if everyone who assumes this will become a rooted device will be disappointed down the road if they find out it's not running a full Android OS underneath the hood like the Nook Color.
I think this is an interesting device, and for Kindle owners, the new e-ink models are nice upgrades. I do believe that those people expecting the Fire to be a top of the line Android tablet that can easily/quickly be rooted will be disappointed. The Fire is a media consumption device, nothing more.
I'm not sure how it is in the rest of the country, but if I actually want coverage (i.e. radio signals) my list of carriers is basically 2, US Cellular or Verizon (or competitors who buy access to their networks like Page Plus).
I'm in the same boat as yourself. Those are the exact two carriers I have access to.
That being said, I have been talking to one of my friends who works for Verizon. Apparently, due to companies like Straight Talk (sold by Walmart), Verizon will be offering a pre-paid unlimited text/talk/data plan. Their information sheets show it available for $50/month. Now, this is on their prepaid plans only, but what is interesting, is apparently any VZW phone can work with this prepaid plan, which means I can take my Droid when my contract ends and move to prepaid.
Yes, there will be data throttling after 5GB, but honestly, I don't stream videos or listen to Pandora over 3G anyways. Heavy lifting for me has always been done via WiFi, so this won't hurt me at all. I'm guessing VZW will find a way to block tethering, similar to what they are doing now, but who knows if a rooted phone will solve that issue
I am curious how people manage to actually use so much data without tethering. What are they doing?
That was my original goal once I got WiiBrew installed. Sadly, I had a friend gift me several WiiWare titles. I never could get the store upgraded alone via WiiBrew, so I ended up just upgrading my Wii. I only used WiiBrew to add watching DVD movies and streaming video from a network share. As I also got a 360 at about the same time, I did not mind loosing the DVD playing on my Wii.
Will our Avatars be able to change genders on the fly? I mean, in my social group I would be myself, but on WoW where I play hot elf..er...manly ogre...
So will the rest of the game rely on poorly coded waggle controls to get by? I like the concept, but this has got to be hard to code, and if it is not handled correctly, we are only going to end up with another crappy Star Wars game.
Instead of giving us Wii owners bad ports with waggle controls added, I think LucasArts has two options.
1) Make sure the controls work, and work well.
2) Stop the bad ports, and give us updated versions of classic LucasArts games, like Monkey Island, Maniac Mansion, and others.
What the hell is "overly unstable"? If it's unstable, it's not useable, irrespective of the degree of instability. Bad choice of words on my part. overly unusable would be better. What I mean by that, was before the memory upgrade, opening zipped files, and copying directories with a few hundred items took the system much longer then it should have. The unit was not unstable, but did become unusable during said time. Of course, finally getting enough Ram into it to actually run Vista made quite a difference.
I've been using the Business edition of Vista since November. At no time has the system crashed on me, or become overly unstable.
Good for you. The author of TFA had a different experience. Such is the way of the world, YMMV and all that.
I completely agree.
I really wonder how much of his problems were caused by Vista, and how much were caused by trying to run legacy/non-updated software.
Isn't the whole point of running a Microsoft OS that you can use legacy Windows apps? I think it used to be at one point in time. Now, I think the point of running it is because that is the platform all the PC games and software is normally released on. Microsoft's biggest problem is old code to support legacy apps. At some point, they need to bite the bullet and get rid of it, or better yet, virtualize an environment to run the legacy code in, similar to classic on PPC macs and Rosetta on Intel macs.
Normally, I'm all for bashing Microsoft, being a Linux/Mac OS X user normally, but even I can't agree with this article.
Agree about what, exactly? Your experiences differ from TFA's author's experiences. Conclusion: Vista, for some people, has problems, and for others it doesn't. You can both agree to that. TFA never asked you to agree to anything like "Vista fails on everyone all the time".
You're right, my experience does differ, and that will happen. After reading TFA, I just got the feeling from the author that the article was a "Vista sux for teh m@ss3s" type article, and I disagree with that. You may have interpreted it differently. That's the problem with the intertubes, everything can be interpreted differently. I have read other posts here on Slashdot that seemed to be more personal experiences, and I can understand/relate to those, but this article just seemed to really hit me the wrong way.
It's obvious that he has some hardware issues on his machine that he needs to look into
Are you a shill, or are you telling lies for free?
The hardware was stable under heavier stress testing under both Windows XP and Linux. Nope, I'm not a shill or telling lies. I work at a college that is migrating to Vista and have seen several cases of hardware that was stable under XP not being fully stable under Vista. At first, I thought it was honestly Vista, but after doing so stress tests, like cpu-burn and mem-test, I have found that is not always the case. Vista demands a lot more from your system, in terms of Ram and HD performance. If some parts are not up to par, you may have problems, even if XP appears to be stable.
Was XP/Linux more forgiving to underperforming hardware, or is Vista handling hardware badly? To be honest, it's still to early to tell. Also, I remember a lot of these same complaints when XP first came out. All to often, we compare the newest OS released to the last patched version (Vista vs XP SP2). Granted, we should, because Vista should be all that XP SP2 was and more, but we all know that Vista was not complete when released. Microsoft should stop announcing products so far in advance, and maybe try not releasing an OS until it is fully functional.
Normally, I'm all for bashing Microsoft, being a Linux/Mac OS X user normally, but even I can't agree with this article.
Why, you didn't read it?
While we're on the subject, why shouldn't Quicktime work? It's just yet another Windows application.
Yes, I did read it. Bad wording on my part. I should have said This appears to be an issue for a lone user and not something that is as widespread as the author appears to make it
As for QuickTime, Windows Vista changes the way applications can interact with the kernel and admin user space. Software and programs that have hooks into the Windows kernel should knowingly have issues until they are fixed. Would my dad know this, no, he would not, but the author would. I'm sorry, but I personally have a hard time when technical people try to write articles as if they were average joe user. If they want that, they need to interview average joe user. That's just my opinion though and YMMV.
BTW, just wondering: how easy is it to set up a printer in Vista?
Very easy. Pretty much like XP. Just go to the Printers and Faxes menu, click Add, follow the wizard. My attached USB printer was found with no problems, and it has had no issues seeing the network printers at work.
I've been using the Business edition of Vista since November. At no time has the system crashed on me, or become overly unstable. When I first started using it, my "Vista Ready" laptop (HP nc6320) only had 512MB of ram, and most of the hardware devices were not recognized and HP did not have Vista drivers either. The first few weeks were a pain, but Vista was usable.
Slapping in an 1GB XD card that supported Vista Ready Boost really made a difference while I waited for the new memory chip to come in. Got the unit up to 1GB, and disabled non-recognized hardware until Vista drivers were available and I was good to go. Vista recognized the most important things to me, my wireless card and CD burner. It did not recognize my video chip set, but still gave me the option of 1024x768, so I was fine. I don't do gaming on this laptop, as it is a work one, so the features I needed were there. Eventually, sound drivers, proper video drivers, and the annoying finger print reader drivers were released.
Now, I will state that Vista should really be run with at least 2GB of ram, as it will use every bit it can get, but even with 1GB, my system has been very stable. Sure, I don't get the fancy Aero features, but I would likely turn them off anyways. On my work system, I like to run as much on the lean side as possible.
As for TFA, I'm not sure what to think. It's obvious that he has some hardware issues on his machine that he needs to look into, and he should have known better than running software like QuickTime that had known issues. I really wonder how much of his problems were caused by Vista, and how much were caused by trying to run legacy/non-updated software.
Normally, I'm all for bashing Microsoft, being a Linux/Mac OS X user normally, but even I can't agree with this article.
Very true, and you are correct. The thing is though, most of the time, the machine is still on when the lease expires, and it will just auto-request the same IP if it is available. Knowing this, they could at least make a half-hearted attempt, but I'm still proud of what they are doing. One of the few pieces of good news to come from the corn-husker state.
Also, in regards to the student side being "less restricted", what I meant, was that students have more options for what they can run/use, not how much bandwidth they have access too. For instance, Faculty/Staff are smacked down for running limewire, while students have free reign.
UNL's network is open on the student side. You can run servers, game servers, web cams, whatever the hell you want. The thing is though, if you get caught, and they can prove who you are, they toss your sorry butt to the wolves. The student side is much more open the the restricted faculty/staff/admin side. A student plugging their machine into that side is likely to get caught pretty quickly.
I'm also pretty sure that the IP is kept longer then they admit. I have friends attending UNL and they have had the same IP all year. It did not even change when they went home for x-mas break. I think they have the ability to help the RIAA if they want, but with all the bad press, and Nebraska's need for recruiting out-of-state students, this is the perfect publicity stunt. "Come to Nebraska and leech without fear of being turned in".
Overall, I think they are no more a haven for hackers than any other large University. Most seem to have the attitude of "do what you want, but don't get caught".
Gawd, I actually watched MTV's "sneak XBox 360 preview party", thinking I'd learn something about it, instead of just watching a terrible infomercial all x-tremed up to the maxxxx an keepin it real. Well, that was the problem. I watched the one on skin-a-max, it was only x-tremed up to the maxxx and was quite, um, informative.... That extra x makes all the difference.
It's a joke. Laugh. It's funny.
Sorry, it has been a long day here at work, and my sense of humor is about as functional as Windows ME. I kind of have a soft spot for her, so I took more offense than what was really there.
We can call "yee-haw" for short and wear overpriced hats with the price tags hanging off of them
Seriously, what do have against Sarah Cannon?
E3, for all practical purposes, has appeared to be going downhill over the past several years. If this helps bring people in, maybe some big names will consider returning to this event.
--nutz
My results don't perfectly match yours, but I do believe you. I have two units running Vista Business edition. Neither one "shipeed" with Vista, but were upgraded (full hard drive format/fresh install).
Unit 1-Tower:
P4 3.4GHz
1.5GB Ram
80GB HD
Vista installed and recognized everything except the old BT878 tv tuner card which I did not honestly expect to be supported in a business edition OS. Runs beautifully, no problems. Office 2k7 runs amazingly. The hardware in this machine is about 2 years old now, so we're very happy with it.
Unit 2-Laptop(nc6320):
Intel Core Duo 1.66GHz
512MB Ram
40GB HD
This unit was ordered this summer, and labeled as being "100% Vista Compatible". It is a business class laptop, so we figured it would work fine. Upon wiping/installing Vista, we discovered that the only Vista recognized was the video and onboard ethernet drivers. Everything else I had to manually download and install from the HP website. Even then, I have a few devices that won't work (finger-print scanner and audio) and two items that come up as unknown device in the hardware manager. This unit is currently being re-imaged with a fresh copy of XP.
From my experiences with unit 1, I would love to deploy Vista where I work. The OS is responsive, policy management is much better, and any enhancements to security are always nice. Unfortunately, most of the people use laptops like the nc6320, so until HP can get around to offering native Vista drivers, we will have to hold off.
We will likely give Vista Ultimate a try when it is released, just to see if that version has any better support for the laptop. We normally keep equipment for 5+ years, but we like to keep the OSes the same if possible on the PC side. If Vista and hardware vendors don't get good drivers out, that will slow down acceptance as much as anything else would.
--nutz
P.S. I would like to try installing Linux on this laptop. Do any of you linux users out there have the HP nc6320, and if so, what distro are you using? I'm just beginning to experiment with linux, so distro advice would be appreciated for this model.
Apple Computers actually cost the same as PCs when you consider all the features that they include as "standard".
Oh wait, that's under the top ten rationalizations of Apple fanboys, my bad. Actually, back when iLife first came out, that was a very compelling package that did not exist by default with Windows, and it did help even the cost. Granted, over time, Windows has caught up very nicely, and the RC candidates of Vista Ultimate included pretty much the same things as the iLife suite. Some are not as nice (Windows Movie Maker still lags behind iMovie), but they are getting there.
Everyone makes excuses for what they buy, and a lot of people like to mock things they don't fully understand. People have their reasons, be it that's what they have allways used, to that's what their tech friend recommended. I myself use both platforms, and have tried linux before, but I'm not a linux guru and could not get a stable distro running on my laptop (nc6320). That model apparently has a lot of weird issues. Of course, even the release version of Vista Business edition failed to recognize most of the laptops hardware.
Fanbois aside, both machines have a place in the world, and both are good at what they were designed to do. Failure to realize this shows signs of ignorance or apathy. Which one is it? My guess is, fanbois don't know, and they don't care.
No, there is still the "C:". What I mean, is that the folder hierarchy just makes a little more sense if you also use LInxu/Mac OS X on a regular basis.
Users instead of Documents and Settings
Documents instead of My Documents
Things like that.
I know this goes against conventional/. attitudes, but I honestly like it for the work environment. Like I said, I don't know if it will ever make it to my home machine, as that is one cost I'm not sure I can justify, but it's nothing to be scared of, unless you end up with the home basic version...
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It has a micro USB port, and that's beautiful about it (and the price, of course). That makes it infinitely more expandable than the device it will inevitably be compared against. Who knows, maybe even a camera+mike combo could be connected to it, so you can make Skype calls after all. And connect a nice external storage with thousands of movies. Etc. etc.....
If you want all those options, mics, camera, external storage, etc., why are you even looking at this device? This is a media consumption device that is cloud based. If you need all those features in a small form factor, but a Netbook/Ultrabook... I get that people want a 7 inch tablet that does everything, but this is not the device to do it.
It was reported that this device was running a forked version of Android, that was heavily skinned. What if that is not the full case. What if it were more of a custom compatibility layer that allows android apps to run on the Kindle OS, similar to how the Playbook does things. Unlike the Nook Color, the Kindle Fire does not have a storage expansion slot and is limited specifically to the Amazon App store. I understand why they are doing this, but I'm wondering if everyone who assumes this will become a rooted device will be disappointed down the road if they find out it's not running a full Android OS underneath the hood like the Nook Color. I think this is an interesting device, and for Kindle owners, the new e-ink models are nice upgrades. I do believe that those people expecting the Fire to be a top of the line Android tablet that can easily/quickly be rooted will be disappointed. The Fire is a media consumption device, nothing more.
It has been proven in studies that the strategies in order of effectiveness are : - promote contraception - do nothing - promote abstinence.
Do you have links to said studies? I agree with you, but I am interested in furthering my knowledge base.
Thank you
I'm not sure how it is in the rest of the country, but if I actually want coverage (i.e. radio signals) my list of carriers is basically 2, US Cellular or Verizon (or competitors who buy access to their networks like Page Plus).
I'm in the same boat as yourself. Those are the exact two carriers I have access to. That being said, I have been talking to one of my friends who works for Verizon. Apparently, due to companies like Straight Talk (sold by Walmart), Verizon will be offering a pre-paid unlimited text/talk/data plan. Their information sheets show it available for $50/month. Now, this is on their prepaid plans only, but what is interesting, is apparently any VZW phone can work with this prepaid plan, which means I can take my Droid when my contract ends and move to prepaid. Yes, there will be data throttling after 5GB, but honestly, I don't stream videos or listen to Pandora over 3G anyways. Heavy lifting for me has always been done via WiFi, so this won't hurt me at all. I'm guessing VZW will find a way to block tethering, similar to what they are doing now, but who knows if a rooted phone will solve that issue I am curious how people manage to actually use so much data without tethering. What are they doing?
Hopefully Captain Hammer will come to your rescue!
And then watch it be fixed in under 24 hours.
Or, alternatively, watch me not update.
That was my original goal once I got WiiBrew installed. Sadly, I had a friend gift me several WiiWare titles. I never could get the store upgraded alone via WiiBrew, so I ended up just upgrading my Wii. I only used WiiBrew to add watching DVD movies and streaming video from a network share. As I also got a 360 at about the same time, I did not mind loosing the DVD playing on my Wii.
Sigh... Do you fantasize about your job?
Nope. I stick to fantasizing about Felicia Day.
Will our Avatars be able to change genders on the fly? I mean, in my social group I would be myself, but on WoW where I play hot elf..er...manly ogre...
So will the rest of the game rely on poorly coded waggle controls to get by? I like the concept, but this has got to be hard to code, and if it is not handled correctly, we are only going to end up with another crappy Star Wars game. Instead of giving us Wii owners bad ports with waggle controls added, I think LucasArts has two options. 1) Make sure the controls work, and work well. 2) Stop the bad ports, and give us updated versions of classic LucasArts games, like Monkey Island, Maniac Mansion, and others.
Good for you. The author of TFA had a different experience. Such is the way of the world, YMMV and all that.
I completely agree. I really wonder how much of his problems were caused by Vista, and how much were caused by trying to run legacy/non-updated software.
Isn't the whole point of running a Microsoft OS that you can use legacy Windows apps?
I think it used to be at one point in time. Now, I think the point of running it is because that is the platform all the PC games and software is normally released on. Microsoft's biggest problem is old code to support legacy apps. At some point, they need to bite the bullet and get rid of it, or better yet, virtualize an environment to run the legacy code in, similar to classic on PPC macs and Rosetta on Intel macs.
Normally, I'm all for bashing Microsoft, being a Linux/Mac OS X user normally, but even I can't agree with this article.
Agree about what, exactly? Your experiences differ from TFA's author's experiences. Conclusion: Vista, for some people, has problems, and for others it doesn't. You can both agree to that. TFA never asked you to agree to anything like "Vista fails on everyone all the time".
You're right, my experience does differ, and that will happen. After reading TFA, I just got the feeling from the author that the article was a "Vista sux for teh m@ss3s" type article, and I disagree with that. You may have interpreted it differently. That's the problem with the intertubes, everything can be interpreted differently. I have read other posts here on Slashdot that seemed to be more personal experiences, and I can understand/relate to those, but this article just seemed to really hit me the wrong way.
Are you a shill, or are you telling lies for free? The hardware was stable under heavier stress testing under both Windows XP and Linux. Nope, I'm not a shill or telling lies. I work at a college that is migrating to Vista and have seen several cases of hardware that was stable under XP not being fully stable under Vista. At first, I thought it was honestly Vista, but after doing so stress tests, like cpu-burn and mem-test, I have found that is not always the case. Vista demands a lot more from your system, in terms of Ram and HD performance. If some parts are not up to par, you may have problems, even if XP appears to be stable.
Was XP/Linux more forgiving to underperforming hardware, or is Vista handling hardware badly? To be honest, it's still to early to tell. Also, I remember a lot of these same complaints when XP first came out. All to often, we compare the newest OS released to the last patched version (Vista vs XP SP2). Granted, we should, because Vista should be all that XP SP2 was and more, but we all know that Vista was not complete when released. Microsoft should stop announcing products so far in advance, and maybe try not releasing an OS until it is fully functional.
Normally, I'm all for bashing Microsoft, being a Linux/Mac OS X user normally, but even I can't agree with this article.
Why, you didn't read it?
While we're on the subject, why shouldn't Quicktime work? It's just yet another Windows application.
Yes, I did read it. Bad wording on my part. I should have said This appears to be an issue for a lone user and not something that is as widespread as the author appears to make it
As for QuickTime, Windows Vista changes the way applications can interact with the kernel and admin user space. Software and programs that have hooks into the Windows kernel should knowingly have issues until they are fixed. Would my dad know this, no, he would not, but the author would. I'm sorry, but I personally have a hard time when technical people try to write articles as if they were average joe user. If they want that, they need to interview average joe user. That's just my opinion though and YMMV.
BTW, just wondering: how easy is it to set up a printer in Vista?
Very easy. Pretty much like XP. Just go to the Printers and Faxes menu, click Add, follow the wizard. My attached USB printer was found with no problems, and it has had no issues seeing the network printers at work.
I've been using the Business edition of Vista since November. At no time has the system crashed on me, or become overly unstable. When I first started using it, my "Vista Ready" laptop (HP nc6320) only had 512MB of ram, and most of the hardware devices were not recognized and HP did not have Vista drivers either. The first few weeks were a pain, but Vista was usable.
Slapping in an 1GB XD card that supported Vista Ready Boost really made a difference while I waited for the new memory chip to come in. Got the unit up to 1GB, and disabled non-recognized hardware until Vista drivers were available and I was good to go. Vista recognized the most important things to me, my wireless card and CD burner. It did not recognize my video chip set, but still gave me the option of 1024x768, so I was fine. I don't do gaming on this laptop, as it is a work one, so the features I needed were there. Eventually, sound drivers, proper video drivers, and the annoying finger print reader drivers were released.
Now, I will state that Vista should really be run with at least 2GB of ram, as it will use every bit it can get, but even with 1GB, my system has been very stable. Sure, I don't get the fancy Aero features, but I would likely turn them off anyways. On my work system, I like to run as much on the lean side as possible.
As for TFA, I'm not sure what to think. It's obvious that he has some hardware issues on his machine that he needs to look into, and he should have known better than running software like QuickTime that had known issues. I really wonder how much of his problems were caused by Vista, and how much were caused by trying to run legacy/non-updated software.
Normally, I'm all for bashing Microsoft, being a Linux/Mac OS X user normally, but even I can't agree with this article.
Very true, and you are correct. The thing is though, most of the time, the machine is still on when the lease expires, and it will just auto-request the same IP if it is available. Knowing this, they could at least make a half-hearted attempt, but I'm still proud of what they are doing. One of the few pieces of good news to come from the corn-husker state.
Also, in regards to the student side being "less restricted", what I meant, was that students have more options for what they can run/use, not how much bandwidth they have access too. For instance, Faculty/Staff are smacked down for running limewire, while students have free reign.
UNL's network is open on the student side. You can run servers, game servers, web cams, whatever the hell you want. The thing is though, if you get caught, and they can prove who you are, they toss your sorry butt to the wolves. The student side is much more open the the restricted faculty/staff/admin side. A student plugging their machine into that side is likely to get caught pretty quickly.
I'm also pretty sure that the IP is kept longer then they admit. I have friends attending UNL and they have had the same IP all year. It did not even change when they went home for x-mas break. I think they have the ability to help the RIAA if they want, but with all the bad press, and Nebraska's need for recruiting out-of-state students, this is the perfect publicity stunt. "Come to Nebraska and leech without fear of being turned in".
Overall, I think they are no more a haven for hackers than any other large University. Most seem to have the attitude of "do what you want, but don't get caught".
Sorry, it has been a long day here at work, and my sense of humor is about as functional as Windows ME. I kind of have a soft spot for her, so I took more offense than what was really there.
Just been one of those days here...
--nutz
Seriously, what do have against Sarah Cannon?
E3, for all practical purposes, has appeared to be going downhill over the past several years. If this helps bring people in, maybe some big names will consider returning to this event.
--nutz
Thanks! I'll start looking into them. Any noticiable difference? Like I said, I'm new to the linux thing.
--nutz
My results don't perfectly match yours, but I do believe you. I have two units running Vista Business edition. Neither one "shipeed" with Vista, but were upgraded (full hard drive format/fresh install).
Unit 1-Tower:
P4 3.4GHz
1.5GB Ram
80GB HD
Vista installed and recognized everything except the old BT878 tv tuner card which I did not honestly expect to be supported in a business edition OS. Runs beautifully, no problems. Office 2k7 runs amazingly. The hardware in this machine is about 2 years old now, so we're very happy with it.
Unit 2-Laptop(nc6320):
Intel Core Duo 1.66GHz
512MB Ram
40GB HD
This unit was ordered this summer, and labeled as being "100% Vista Compatible". It is a business class laptop, so we figured it would work fine. Upon wiping/installing Vista, we discovered that the only Vista recognized was the video and onboard ethernet drivers. Everything else I had to manually download and install from the HP website. Even then, I have a few devices that won't work (finger-print scanner and audio) and two items that come up as unknown device in the hardware manager. This unit is currently being re-imaged with a fresh copy of XP.
From my experiences with unit 1, I would love to deploy Vista where I work. The OS is responsive, policy management is much better, and any enhancements to security are always nice. Unfortunately, most of the people use laptops like the nc6320, so until HP can get around to offering native Vista drivers, we will have to hold off.
We will likely give Vista Ultimate a try when it is released, just to see if that version has any better support for the laptop. We normally keep equipment for 5+ years, but we like to keep the OSes the same if possible on the PC side. If Vista and hardware vendors don't get good drivers out, that will slow down acceptance as much as anything else would.
--nutz
P.S. I would like to try installing Linux on this laptop. Do any of you linux users out there have the HP nc6320, and if so, what distro are you using? I'm just beginning to experiment with linux, so distro advice would be appreciated for this model.
Oh wait, that's under the top ten rationalizations of Apple fanboys, my bad. Actually, back when iLife first came out, that was a very compelling package that did not exist by default with Windows, and it did help even the cost. Granted, over time, Windows has caught up very nicely, and the RC candidates of Vista Ultimate included pretty much the same things as the iLife suite. Some are not as nice (Windows Movie Maker still lags behind iMovie), but they are getting there.
Everyone makes excuses for what they buy, and a lot of people like to mock things they don't fully understand. People have their reasons, be it that's what they have allways used, to that's what their tech friend recommended. I myself use both platforms, and have tried linux before, but I'm not a linux guru and could not get a stable distro running on my laptop (nc6320). That model apparently has a lot of weird issues. Of course, even the release version of Vista Business edition failed to recognize most of the laptops hardware.
Fanbois aside, both machines have a place in the world, and both are good at what they were designed to do. Failure to realize this shows signs of ignorance or apathy. Which one is it? My guess is, fanbois don't know, and they don't care.
--nutz
That's why I'd use Pine mail still, if it was an option where I work.
--nutz
Hey, I'm a /.'r, not an English major, you can't expect miracles now can you =)
/. and Microsoft at the same time.
I guess correctly, it should be, I was able to download drivers to most of the hardware.
I did not even see that, and I proofed it as well. Oh well, that should teach me to surf
--nutz
No, there is still the "C:". What I mean, is that the folder hierarchy just makes a little more sense if you also use LInxu/Mac OS X on a regular basis.
/. attitudes, but I honestly like it for the work environment. Like I said, I don't know if it will ever make it to my home machine, as that is one cost I'm not sure I can justify, but it's nothing to be scared of, unless you end up with the home basic version...
Users instead of Documents and Settings
Documents instead of My Documents
Things like that.
I know this goes against conventional
--nutz