Because everything *except* the data backup are traditional "security" roles. Backup is needed, and recognized by security folks as good, but backup isn't traditionally considered a "security" product.
Backup is necessary for data integrity, and data integrity is necessary for security. Sounds pretty straightforward to me.
So, to the market (and to many outsiders) this looks like Symantec trying to buy their way into a market they have no expertise in.
Symantec's very big on acquisition; if they don't already make some product in their market space, they buy someone who does. They've been in the desktop backup space for a while after buying PowerQuest (Norton Ghost), and now they're extending it to the server space with Veritas.
I strongly believe Linux will never work on the desktop unless there is a stable *binary* API for both kernel drivers and X video drivers that companies can target.
Stable ABI's are overrated -- they're perfectly willing to recompile when they have to. What hardware developers are sick of is the source-level API being so unstable. Lock here, no now there's no lock, lock there, oh wait, we renamed the function, wait now it's devfs, wait now it's udev...
This is a good point. From my point of view, I'd like to see Microsoft dislodged as quickly as possible, as you can bet that they *will* try to crush OSS, or at least marginalise it to the point where it might as well not exist outside of a small circle of hobbyists.
Isn't that an excellent reason to have as much OSS as possible on Windows, so that if they do decide to crush it, they piss off millions of their own users instead of some marginal clique of hobbyists?
Also, technologies such as Palladium may even allow them to accomplish this goal.
Sure, if MS wanted to lock out every single app that wasn't signed. This would disable a good deal more than OSS, I guarantee, making it a move MS isn't likely to take. Try reading up on what NGSCB actually does sometime.
> Where are the "Father Knows Best" and "Andy Griffith" shows now?
Speaking as a man, why on earth do I want to be portrayed as some bland milquetoast fuddy-duddy? Personally, I liked Seinfeld. Everyone on that show was a loser and they made no bones about it. It was almost an existentialist thing, an exploration of absurdity. What else could you expect from a show about nothing?
Shows that cater to reasonably intelligent people show, not surprisingly, intelligent people. Take CSI: although I can't let a show go by without SOME remark about the ridiculous hollywood technology, the characters are all intelligent individuals with complex personalities and motivations.
Easy. John Carmack, Feargus Urqhart, Peter Molyneux, Will Wright, Richard Garriott, Hideo Kojima... just off the top of my head. Yes, I can name more actors, but not B-movie ones.
> the analogy to the Oscars, look how many absolute crap movies get nominated and win Oscars every year.
Yeah, the whole orgy scene in Shakespeare in Love was really gratuitous. Plus, I could have done without all the explosions and mayhem in The Hours. But the Matrix movies deserved the pile of Oscars they walked away with.
And the soundtrack to True Crime: Streets of LA. In fact I think that soundtrack has some original stuff, while the stuff in GTA:SA is just mp3's of album tracks from when he was known as Snoop Doggy Dogg (seeing's how GTA:SA is set in 1991). I believe he's also on NFS:Underground. In fact it's getting a bit tiresome seeing his name in soundtrack credits...
If I'm in the middle of doing something why should I have to start another copy of the application using runas to gain addition priviledges. This is not a command line environment. It shows a clear lack of integration in the system software.
You're confusing sudo with setuid. Look up the manual for ReplaceProcessToken sometime. Incidentally, do tell me how you get emacs to switch accounts on the fly? Or your shell? Oh right, you start a new one
runas does not help in the case of registry keys. If the stupid application wants to screw around in the registry then that user account itself has to have administrative priviledges.
Or the application should stick to using HKCU and not HKLM, or the ACL's should be set on the registry key (which requires using the security configurator or the horrid old-style regedit). One could set the process to run with the owner permissions (ala setuid, and no I don't remember exactly how that's done). Or, one could use (smacks forehead) runas.exe.
The rest of your arguments apply pretty much equally to su and sudo, or at least partially. I don't even have a MCSE, which the average poodle can get, but it seems the average slashdotter is ignorant and incurious enough to not even learn the platform when they start bashing specific functions of it.
One example for you... Login to W2K as user, and start cmd as Administrator through runas. Now try to run any program from that cmd. Tough luck - none of what you run from there will work as if you are an administrator! Is it retarded or what?
I in fact use runas/user:administrator cmd.exe precisely for that purpose, and all the commands it spawns do in fact inherit those rights. I have no idea what's wrong with your setup.
Now have you ever tried running IE or Explorer with runas? They won't run.
Running IE was the second most common thing I would start with runas (to run windows update). They work just dandy.
Nowadays though, I just run my (firewalled) XP Home box with an administrator account. I largely just play games on it anyway. The box that had win2k on it now runs debian. It's nice how I can make sudo fine-grained and not require a password, but it's a single user machine, so usually I just keep a root shell open.
No I use sudo or su. Mac asks for a password (sudo) graphically, so does linux (kdesu). Windows makes you log in as administrator or have those priviledges all the time.
You're absolutely full of shit, as the existence of runas.exe can demonstrate. Windows also has the "run as a different user" checkbox on the properties menu of any shortcut.
All commodities race to the bottom, and that which has a marginal cost of nearly zero (e.g. software and digital media) is damn sure going to be commodified one way or another. This does not drag the whole market with it: you can sign your checks with a Bic or a Mont Blanc, and neither company is particularly worried about going out of business.
Also note that hot pepper oil is usually just canola with crushed red pepper in it, so make your own rather than getting gouged at the till buying name brand peppers-in-canola. I make my own for Guo Tie.
Hm, the stuff I get is sesame oil with red peppers. Doesn't cost any more than regular sesame oil, so what the heck. No good for stir frying, but great for flavor. If the oil were actually pressed from peppers, it would be like putting pepper spray on your food.
Coors owns a lot of microbrews, and they don't screw around with their brewing, it's strictly business. Nothing's going to happen to your precious Canadian swill, which I might add is only marginally better than American swill. Go try a beer that doesn't come out of a 20,000-gallon vat sometime.
Probably not - that was just a "Poison Pill" to make the takeover/buyout completely unprofitable for Oracle and their stockholders.
The refund was not the poison pill, it was to offer a refund if Peoplesoft stopped being supported within X years (I forgot what X was) after a takeover. Larry Ellison has himself mouthed off how he'd fire everyone at Peoplesoft once he bought them -- he's not so much interested in gaining Peoplesoft, but in destroying them in a personal vendetta. He is machievellian and ruthless person not above simple pettiness.
> wtf? How is lisp a multi-paradigm language? It's functional programming through and through.
Actually, it's kind of weak as a functional language, with most implementations lacking proper tail recursion elimination or any syntax for composition or currying. polymorphism is absent outside CLOS, which isn't quite functional oriented either (a method that's still generic isn't first-class, you have to pass the method belonging to something. usually one gets around that with symbols). It's possible to get all those facilities with macros, but it's still sort of painful to use them.
In fact, most common lisp programmers prefer lisp as an OO language. CLOS has OO facilities superior to C++ or Java because of multiple dispatch -- you don't have object.method(arg, arg, arg) but (method object arg arg arg) instead... but since you have polymorphism on any of the args, you can specialize even more with objects without needing big inheritance hierarchies and interfaces just to glue extra procedures into a class scope. Doing the same in C++ involves a whole lot of verbiage with templates. If want purely functional code, you probably want Haskell, or you might write up a bunch of syntax macros for scheme to get your composition and currying, but Lisp is unlikely to light your fire if you're looking for the cutting edge of FP.
I'd still agree that no modern lisp is going to let you *efficiently* program to the bare metal, regardless of lisp's roots. Of course, someone did write an operating system in Haskell, so anything's possible.
I played Xenosaga. Typical anime-styled crap. Terrible writing and voice acting (my favorite is where a bridge officer, in the middle of being dressed down by the captain, gets a call on his cell phone and says "I gotta answer this" and just walks away). It stars an otherwise strong heroine given a the standard anime-style dinner-plate sized eyes and sweet girly voice. I find this aspect of Japanese pop culture more droll than any violent machismo of American or European cultures. Yet another otherwise good premise dumbed down for preteen audiences, or at least adult ones with the same maturity level. To say nothing of the fact that it's still a thin wrapper of plot wrapped around the usual take-turns-bashing-with-different-animation turn-based-rpg crap.
Compare to a game like Beyond Good And Evil, which came out for the US, Canadian, and European markets all at once, with characters far more likeable and interesting than anything that Square Enix has stamped out and rolled off the line.
Another show I remember fondly was Space:above and beyond, which had a fairly short life on fox in the early 90's.
Absolutely. SAAB was something of the opposite of babylon 5's disaster: hokey cheezy premise, but executed fantastically. The two-part episode of "Chiggie von Richthoven" was stupendous... I never thought the music of Patsy Cline and Tchaikovsky would fit so well back-to-back:)
Maybe if your expectations were really really low. Blakes 7 had far better serial plot elements, and had to rely on interesting characters because of its pitifully low SFX budget. JMS created an intriguing setting and interesting premise, and blew it to hell with poor writing and worse acting.
Excepting Peter Jurasik and Andreas Katsulas (especially when the two were put together), name any actor on that show who didn't make you just cringe with embarrassment. Try to think of an episode where either some overwrought stilted delivery or its opposite number of "folksy" downplayed drama didn't have you rolling your eyes. Nearly every character on that show was as artificial as the CGI effects it relied upon.
> The only reason China doesn't invade Taiwan tomorrow is because they aren't sure the U.S. wouldn't get involved.
Well, that and the fact that they can't swim the straight when the Taiwanese Air Force sinks China's piddly little navy. They don't want to inherit a bombed-out wasteland either.
Plus, the Yuan is pegged to the Dollar. Destroy Taiwan, destroy the US economy, destroy the Chinese economy. China buys quite a bit from Taiwan too.
Seriously, these people worked for a company that is HATED by IT professionals all over the world. Why should we care if they can find new jobs after they were used up and thrown away?
I dunno. Human empathy? Too much to expect I guess. I guess when one's primary means of socialization is through a computer screen, some amount of alienation is to be expected.
I also used AOL's straight PPP service because my employer had a deal with them. No better or worse than any other ISP, didn't need their weirdo dialer or anything. Their abuse desk is awesome too. When was the last time you got spam from an AOL account?
I wish I could say I was above hate, but I certainly can't fathom feeling actual hate for someone just because they work for AOL. It just doesn't register with me.
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Because everything *except* the data backup are traditional "security" roles. Backup is needed, and recognized by security folks as good, but backup isn't traditionally considered a "security" product.
Backup is necessary for data integrity, and data integrity is necessary for security. Sounds pretty straightforward to me.
So, to the market (and to many outsiders) this looks like Symantec trying to buy their way into a market they have no expertise in.
Symantec's very big on acquisition; if they don't already make some product in their market space, they buy someone who does. They've been in the desktop backup space for a while after buying PowerQuest (Norton Ghost), and now they're extending it to the server space with Veritas.
I strongly believe Linux will never work on the desktop unless there is a stable *binary* API for both kernel drivers and X video drivers that companies can target.
Stable ABI's are overrated -- they're perfectly willing to recompile when they have to. What hardware developers are sick of is the source-level API being so unstable. Lock here, no now there's no lock, lock there, oh wait, we renamed the function, wait now it's devfs, wait now it's udev...
This is a good point. From my point of view, I'd like to see Microsoft dislodged as quickly as possible, as you can bet that they *will* try to crush OSS, or at least marginalise it to the point where it might as well not exist outside of a small circle of hobbyists.
Isn't that an excellent reason to have as much OSS as possible on Windows, so that if they do decide to crush it, they piss off millions of their own users instead of some marginal clique of hobbyists?
Also, technologies such as Palladium may even allow them to accomplish this goal.
Sure, if MS wanted to lock out every single app that wasn't signed. This would disable a good deal more than OSS, I guarantee, making it a move MS isn't likely to take. Try reading up on what NGSCB actually does sometime.
> Here's a one-line P2P application I wrote in whitespace:
Just add this to the top of MoleSter instead:
use Acme::Bleach;
> Where are the "Father Knows Best" and "Andy Griffith" shows now?
Speaking as a man, why on earth do I want to be portrayed as some bland milquetoast fuddy-duddy? Personally, I liked Seinfeld. Everyone on that show was a loser and they made no bones about it. It was almost an existentialist thing, an exploration of absurdity. What else could you expect from a show about nothing?
Shows that cater to reasonably intelligent people show, not surprisingly, intelligent people. Take CSI: although I can't let a show go by without SOME remark about the ridiculous hollywood technology, the characters are all intelligent individuals with complex personalities and motivations.
Easy. John Carmack, Feargus Urqhart, Peter Molyneux, Will Wright, Richard Garriott, Hideo Kojima ... just off the top of my head. Yes, I can name more actors, but not B-movie ones.
> the analogy to the Oscars, look how many absolute crap movies get nominated and win Oscars every year.
Yeah, the whole orgy scene in Shakespeare in Love was really gratuitous. Plus, I could have done without all the explosions and mayhem in The Hours. But the Matrix movies deserved the pile of Oscars they walked away with.
And the soundtrack to True Crime: Streets of LA. In fact I think that soundtrack has some original stuff, while the stuff in GTA:SA is just mp3's of album tracks from when he was known as Snoop Doggy Dogg (seeing's how GTA:SA is set in 1991). I believe he's also on NFS:Underground. In fact it's getting a bit tiresome seeing his name in soundtrack credits...
If I'm in the middle of doing something why should I have to start another copy of the application using runas to gain addition priviledges. This is not a command line environment. It shows a clear lack of integration in the system software.
You're confusing sudo with setuid. Look up the manual for ReplaceProcessToken sometime. Incidentally, do tell me how you get emacs to switch accounts on the fly? Or your shell? Oh right, you start a new one
runas does not help in the case of registry keys. If the stupid application wants to screw around in the registry then that user account itself has to have administrative priviledges.
Or the application should stick to using HKCU and not HKLM, or the ACL's should be set on the registry key (which requires using the security configurator or the horrid old-style regedit). One could set the process to run with the owner permissions (ala setuid, and no I don't remember exactly how that's done). Or, one could use (smacks forehead) runas.exe.
The rest of your arguments apply pretty much equally to su and sudo, or at least partially. I don't even have a MCSE, which the average poodle can get, but it seems the average slashdotter is ignorant and incurious enough to not even learn the platform when they start bashing specific functions of it.
One example for you... Login to W2K as user, and start cmd as Administrator through runas. Now try to run any program from that cmd. Tough luck - none of what you run from there will work as if you are an administrator! Is it retarded or what?
/user:administrator cmd.exe precisely for that purpose, and all the commands it spawns do in fact inherit those rights. I have no idea what's wrong with your setup.
I in fact use runas
Now have you ever tried running IE or Explorer with runas? They won't run.
Running IE was the second most common thing I would start with runas (to run windows update). They work just dandy.
Nowadays though, I just run my (firewalled) XP Home box with an administrator account. I largely just play games on it anyway. The box that had win2k on it now runs debian. It's nice how I can make sudo fine-grained and not require a password, but it's a single user machine, so usually I just keep a root shell open.
No I use sudo or su. Mac asks for a password (sudo) graphically, so does linux (kdesu). Windows makes you log in as administrator or have those priviledges all the time.
You're absolutely full of shit, as the existence of runas.exe can demonstrate. Windows also has the "run as a different user" checkbox on the properties menu of any shortcut.
All commodities race to the bottom, and that which has a marginal cost of nearly zero (e.g. software and digital media) is damn sure going to be commodified one way or another. This does not drag the whole market with it: you can sign your checks with a Bic or a Mont Blanc, and neither company is particularly worried about going out of business.
Also note that hot pepper oil is usually just canola with crushed red pepper in it, so make your own rather than getting gouged at the till buying name brand peppers-in-canola. I make my own for Guo Tie.
... incapacitating"
Hm, the stuff I get is sesame oil with red peppers. Doesn't cost any more than regular sesame oil, so what the heck. No good for stir frying, but great for flavor. If the oil were actually pressed from peppers, it would be like putting pepper spray on your food.
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Coors owns a lot of microbrews, and they don't screw around with their brewing, it's strictly business. Nothing's going to happen to your precious Canadian swill, which I might add is only marginally better than American swill. Go try a beer that doesn't come out of a 20,000-gallon vat sometime.
Probably not - that was just a "Poison Pill" to make the takeover/buyout completely unprofitable for Oracle and their stockholders.
The refund was not the poison pill, it was to offer a refund if Peoplesoft stopped being supported within X years (I forgot what X was) after a takeover. Larry Ellison has himself mouthed off how he'd fire everyone at Peoplesoft once he bought them -- he's not so much interested in gaining Peoplesoft, but in destroying them in a personal vendetta. He is machievellian and ruthless person not above simple pettiness.
It's a dark day in Pleasanton, I assure you.
You know, at first I want to say you're a big ignorant scaremonger.
Then I think of Enron running nuclear plants.
Hmm.
> You're thinking of flying cars.
Here ya go
Not that I want idiots flying over my house when they can barely drive on the ground.
It's the name of the fucking article written by a black man who didn't let some racist moron destroy his fun. Grow up.
> wtf? How is lisp a multi-paradigm language? It's functional programming through and through.
... but since you have polymorphism on any of the args, you can specialize even more with objects without needing big inheritance hierarchies and interfaces just to glue extra procedures into a class scope. Doing the same in C++ involves a whole lot of verbiage with templates. If want purely functional code, you probably want Haskell, or you might write up a bunch of syntax macros for scheme to get your composition and currying, but Lisp is unlikely to light your fire if you're looking for the cutting edge of FP.
Actually, it's kind of weak as a functional language, with most implementations lacking proper tail recursion elimination or any syntax for composition or currying. polymorphism is absent outside CLOS, which isn't quite functional oriented either (a method that's still generic isn't first-class, you have to pass the method belonging to something. usually one gets around that with symbols). It's possible to get all those facilities with macros, but it's still sort of painful to use them.
In fact, most common lisp programmers prefer lisp as an OO language. CLOS has OO facilities superior to C++ or Java because of multiple dispatch -- you don't have object.method(arg, arg, arg) but (method object arg arg arg) instead
I'd still agree that no modern lisp is going to let you *efficiently* program to the bare metal, regardless of lisp's roots. Of course, someone did write an operating system in Haskell, so anything's possible.
I played Xenosaga. Typical anime-styled crap. Terrible writing and voice acting (my favorite is where a bridge officer, in the middle of being dressed down by the captain, gets a call on his cell phone and says "I gotta answer this" and just walks away). It stars an otherwise strong heroine given a the standard anime-style dinner-plate sized eyes and sweet girly voice. I find this aspect of Japanese pop culture more droll than any violent machismo of American or European cultures. Yet another otherwise good premise dumbed down for preteen audiences, or at least adult ones with the same maturity level. To say nothing of the fact that it's still a thin wrapper of plot wrapped around the usual take-turns-bashing-with-different-animation turn-based-rpg crap.
Compare to a game like Beyond Good And Evil, which came out for the US, Canadian, and European markets all at once, with characters far more likeable and interesting than anything that Square Enix has stamped out and rolled off the line.
> I would put Schmalt's Alt (from Schell Brewery in New Ulm, Minnesota) against 90% of what they serve in .ch
.cn?
I think the Swiss have pretty decent beer. Perhaps you meant
Another show I remember fondly was Space:above and beyond, which had a fairly short life on fox in the early 90's.
... I never thought the music of Patsy Cline and Tchaikovsky would fit so well back-to-back :)
Absolutely. SAAB was something of the opposite of babylon 5's disaster: hokey cheezy premise, but executed fantastically. The two-part episode of "Chiggie von Richthoven" was stupendous
> best...sci-fi...series...ever
Maybe if your expectations were really really low. Blakes 7 had far better serial plot elements, and had to rely on interesting characters because of its pitifully low SFX budget. JMS created an intriguing setting and interesting premise, and blew it to hell with poor writing and worse acting.
Excepting Peter Jurasik and Andreas Katsulas (especially when the two were put together), name any actor on that show who didn't make you just cringe with embarrassment. Try to think of an episode where either some overwrought stilted delivery or its opposite number of "folksy" downplayed drama didn't have you rolling your eyes. Nearly every character on that show was as artificial as the CGI effects it relied upon.
> The only reason China doesn't invade Taiwan tomorrow is because they aren't sure the U.S. wouldn't get involved.
Well, that and the fact that they can't swim the straight when the Taiwanese Air Force sinks China's piddly little navy. They don't want to inherit a bombed-out wasteland either.
Plus, the Yuan is pegged to the Dollar. Destroy Taiwan, destroy the US economy, destroy the Chinese economy. China buys quite a bit from Taiwan too.
Seriously, these people worked for a company that is HATED by IT professionals all over the world. Why should we care if they can find new jobs after they were used up and thrown away?
I dunno. Human empathy? Too much to expect I guess. I guess when one's primary means of socialization is through a computer screen, some amount of alienation is to be expected.
I also used AOL's straight PPP service because my employer had a deal with them. No better or worse than any other ISP, didn't need their weirdo dialer or anything. Their abuse desk is awesome too. When was the last time you got spam from an AOL account?
I wish I could say I was above hate, but I certainly can't fathom feeling actual hate for someone just because they work for AOL. It just doesn't register with me.