I've nothing against Java, just prefer C#. It's really what it comes to. I wish people just got their shit together and started all running an operatings sytem based on BSD kernels with Linux communities, Apple Interfaces and Microsoft Business Models.
But really, nothing better than two geeks doing their best ebonics on slashdot dissin each other about which operating system to use. The british should make a show about this.
ok, i'm not playa-hatin da mac dog, i'm jus sayin dat da mac ain't no good at enterprise level software that i can afford. I already done told youse I can't afford no damn Oracle. That shit will break my bank. So I'se got to stick wit da SQL Server and till da mac runs dat shit, I'm not buyin it. Nuttin against the mac, I like the machines. I prefer IBM, but mac is cool by me.
here's something really simple that i wasn't able to do in MySQL: change the ordering of columns through their GUI without removing and putting them back.
here are the things I love about SQL Server that the others don't have (to my knowledge)
- analysis services (you know, like cubes, multi dimensional data modelling and data warehousing) - DTS packages and general data transformation services made as easy as the DTS package builder is in SQL - Integration with a good free (as in beer) application platform (such as.net)
I've nothing against the other RDBMSs, I'm just at a loss when in SQL Server you can right click and copy tables, views, stored procedures and just move them to another database and when I try to do the same thing in PostgresSQL and... find nothing. And no, I don't have a simple problem and I don't need a simple RDBMS. I need the best I can get without killing my budget like Oracle would.
To expand on that. You can't teach someone what they NEED to know about computers. Because different people need different things. Instead, try to teach people some basics of the computer... how to set it up, how to protect your files. And teach them how to make sure nothing "bad" happens to them. Like why clicking on email attachments or preview panes are bad. This is not because you're security minded, like the parent says, you want to disspell that irrational fear. Most of the users I talk to are "afraid I'm going to break it". So if you just teach them how to not break it or have other people break into it, that sense of security should foster what humans are best at: figuring things out. With security behind them, they'll be able to just mess around and do whatever they want. I think the best thing to start from would be to teach them how to back up. Once they've got this down, tell them they can do ANYTHING to their computer and just restore it from the backup and everything's fine. DeepFreeze is a great tool for this.
many artists feel what I'm about to show you, but here's a quote from Beethoven just in case you need a higher authority:
There ought to be but one large art warehouse in the world, to which the artist could carry his art-works, and from which he could carry away whatever he needed. As it is, one must be half a tradesman. - Beethoven
Here's an idea: piracy is bad for the leechers and the middlemen. It's bad for business and that's what America's all about, right? Business. So don't talk about other countries and piracy as if they're some unwashed masses stealing precious music and food off the table of artists. If everyone was more chill about this whole shit, artists could make a lot of money if people like their music, just like all the indie bands are doing now anyway. The system as it is only stands to serve the shittastic music of the simpson sisters or play "wake me up when september's gone" 8 times a day. It's getting old and people will not put up with shit for too long. Radio dies first, then the industry. I can't wait, Beethoven's dream will be true, God and the internet willing.
yeah... riiiight... ALSO, you could like TALK to people. Here's an example:
Four people are waiting. Two elevators are coming down.
One: where you guys going? Two: 2nd floor Three: 3rd floor Four: 3rd floor One: Oh, cool, Two come with me, you ladies take that other elevator.
Woa! That was really tough! These elevators aren't solving the elevator traffic problem, they're solving the asocial stupid person problem. Take the stairs, it'll make you smarter.
* WARNING * IN THE EXAMPLE ABOVE, AS WELL AS IN THESE NEW SHITTY ELEVATORS, YOU LOSE THAT WONDERFUL AFTER LUNCH RIDE UP WITH THE 40% CHANCE TO SHARE AN ELEVATOR CAR WITH THE REALLY HOT ACCOUNTING CHICK FROM THE FLOOR ABOVE YOU.
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15 seconds, huh?
"It's probably bullshit. The world is full of concepts which aren't really concepts - big balls of fluff that proport to be explaining this hard-to-explain idea but are really just hiding the total lack of substance. Web 2.0 is very much one of them. Web 1.0 is trivial to explain and the concept...."
That's about all I got. Doesn't make much sense to me so far... it must be bullshit.
Just kidding, but I agree with you. I think you should change it from "15 seconds" to "if you can't explain it clearly and quickly to a large audience". It seems to me like there's one web and it's evolved but nobody's released any new web. Like, I can't install Web 2.0 or go to a site where I can see links for Web_2.0.tar.gz and Web_2.0.exe (If you're a windows user, click here, click save, go to the desktop, click save, go to your desktop, double click, click next, click next, click finish...)
So... web 2.0 is basically a way for people to say that a lot has changed with the web since we used bulletin boards and 0.0004 baud modems (That was right before the 900 baud came out). No duh. Was that 15 seconds?
well, like i replied to someone else, MySQL and Oracle are nice, but don't compare to SQL Server in features and productivity.
games in general (not just pirated) are another one. Setting up a Home Media Center is considerably harder with Linux (I have Ubuntu and I know) than with Windows. For development, I believe the best development platform out there right now is.net because you can use C# with modules in Haskell and Perl for specialized things. I'm not saying Visual Studio.net, Holy God no, but.net is a great framework. I'm not saying I don't wish Microsoft offered these on Macs and Linux, but as it is, they're not available for those platforms.
Your prejudice on database servers is about 3 years old. Check out the performance measurements for Oracle vs. Microsoft SQL Server 2005. It's almost the same performance, with the same capacity, with an infinitely easier to use package and administration tools (DTS, Analysis Services, CLR integration with.NET, excellent XML support) all bundled for a MUCH cheaper license than ORACLE. MySQL is hacky at best... just try doing nested queries with any sort of performance. You'd have to be crazy to use Sybase since there's nothing you can use to develop against it short of the monopoly platform that that one company charges you an arm and a leg for. And PostgresSQL is great but poorly documented, and without any of the features of SQL Server. Please, don't just regurgitate nonsensical oppinions with no experience to back them up. My entire home network runs Ubuntu - a server, two workstations and a laptop and I've had experience with all the databases you mention. SQL Server is by far the best. ORACLE is better technically but in terms of what you can produce with it, they have nothing on Microsoft.
That's truly disturbing. First we send these poor kids out to die for some ridiculous power stomp operation in Iraq. Now we don't let people play CDs because our affiliations are not with our own kids but with foreign mega coorporations.
Fuckin thought America was different than the rest of the world when I moved here. Fuckin everyone's the same, just bullshit people in a bullshit endless shit cycle. Wake up people, you're better than this. Do something about it. Tell your ex-commander or whatever that it's not the CDs that are causing it but SONY. If that doesn't work, sue the military, do something.
"Flying Tanks? Yes, those are obsolete now, we've got flying juggernauts."
seriously... a search engine to rival google? Do they realize the money, infrastructure, timing, and business model that it would take to get anywhere close to google? Unless all of Europe pitches in and works on it for like 3 years, they've got nothing.
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actually, 1.8 ghz by itself is neither "fast" nor "slow". A processor's speed is not determined by ghz. It's determined much better by how many millions of instructions per second it can do, and under what conditions. It's tied in with compilers and what code they produce, and for what applications. So it's not as easy as GHz. This is a Pentium M. It's a new breed of chip, different than a Pentium 4. If you followed the reviews for the last year, you'd see that Pentium Ms on the desktop are KILLING the Pentium 4 in performance, where a P IV at 2.6 GHz is comparable to a Pentium M at 1.6 GHz. This is because of a shorter pipeline (that the instructions have to traverse to be completed) and a bigger cache (so more instructions can be closer to the processor when it wants to access them). Now, these are DUAL core 1.8 GHz, so you can bet your bottom dollar that if Apple optimized their stuff to run on two cores or if the chips just work with the software inherently somehow, they will absolutely be faster than any chip out there right now. BLAZING. Now, as far as 3 hours of battery life... that'd have to be qualified - under what load? If it's under normal load, that's kinda bad - the regular Pentium M does better than that. What I want to see is a small battery that lasts 10 hours.
there's a lot of posts like yours. That's nice that you feel that way. But let me know when I can download thousands of pirated games that run on Mac OS X. Or let me know when I can run SQL Server 2000 or something comparable in power and flexibility on Mac OS X. For those of you who don't need it, cool. For those of use who need it, Linux is a much better alternative than Mac. Most likely, I'll be buying one ONLY if it'll dual boot Windows.
I definitely agree with what you said, with slight alterations:
- people think us jesus followers are bonkers: you, as an obvious capitalist do not sound like any typical jesus follower. We think the people that deny the concepts of physics and provide no alternative are bonkers.
- war requires democracy: well, yeah, it's nice to have democracy because then the driving force is oppinion and not money. But it isn't required. Fascist and Dictatorship regimes have also been enablers of war.
- the planet will heal itself quickly: very true. As Carlin says, the planet is fine, WE are fucked.
- the planet won't heal itself after a nuclear war: somewhat true. It may not heal itself to allow human life but life will go on. I'm certain of it because there are species on this planet that absolutely nothing could wipe out (bacteria)
there was a great post on slashdot a while back as to why precisely that mentality is bad for computer security. If you allow yourself to think: "I want all the bad stuff off my computer" then the subscription based anti virus companies rejoice. If you think: "Build a safe computer that knows what should and shouldn't run" you're on the right track.
My guess is that OS X is safe for a combination of reasons. One is that it is designed from the ground up with good solid backgrounds in BSD and security. The other is that its market share is small and viruses simply don't target it as much. My other guess is that mac users are slightly more intelligent than average (hackers, designers, rich people - not that being rich makes you smart, just smarter than average) so they won't go browsing pr0n sites on unpatched computers with VMWare running IE 5.0 under Windows Millenium edition from a physical partition on their computer sharing their OS X partition with read/write access.
not true actually, even your average joe is wondering why his computer has been reformatted 10 times by geeks and worked on countless hours and has laggy performance because of 10 new pieces of anti spyware, anti virus, anti spam crapware on his system. Trust me, the unwashed (dare I say washed) masses know there's a problem and they would LOVE a DEFENDER. As far as I can tell, MS has made no mistake in naming, their stuff is brilliant: word, PowerPoint,.NET, Windows, just genius if you really think about it.
maybe SM sees BB's stories as interesting, has developed an unconscious way of filtering his out of the other stories and looking at them first or reading them in their entirety. So maybe, to make everything fair, you could randomize what stories the editors look at. That way, if someone else wanted to spam to get a higher chance of having their story featured, they could do so. Or, you could limit everyone to one submission per day.
Just some ideas, please allow for any ignorance of your current system that I may be flaunting here.
wtf are you talking about. Mono isn't Microsoft. The fact that we may finally have a platform that both Linux and Windows developers agree to work on is a... GOOD THING. Think before you post, don't drink and post, etc.
i am so sick and tired of this over righteous viewpoint. These "evil" companies are making money. That's what america is all about. If you don't _like_ it, go to Sweden. Google is a company just like all the others. They will make money whether they try to appear nice to the public or not. If they do not aggressively make money. they will die quickly. As a matter of fact, no matter what they do, they will die. Just like every other company in history. After they die, they may reform and do business again. But they do not want to die. Is this so evil? That's all these companies are doing. Dirty practices, stealing people from each other, stealing software, ideas, making buggy code, it's all driven by a market. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and saying buy Microsoft. It's all money, and you buy it either because you like it (google) or because you have to like it (microsoft). Get used to it, understand it, and you won't be thinking in these silly "evil" "non-evil" absolutes.
C# isn't as hidden as you think. You can just go: unsafe { C code goes here } and do any C pointer manipulations you want. But you rarely need to. The things I love most about C# 1.1 are simple things that just make your life easier:
- indexers. If you have a hashtable, looking up a key in it is like this:
myHash["key"] = "value";
and you can overload these puppies so you can add crazy indexers into your structures like for example:
businessRules["Monday", "Accounting"]
- overloading operators. There's nothing like being able to compare dates right out of the box and being able to add your own >, 500") )
- control over memory such as the use statement:
using( BigFatMemoryHogNeededForOnlyThisBlock b = new... )
{// do stuff with b and not worry about// deallocating it because it will dispose// itself at the end of this block
}
And then when you get down to it, the.net framework is awesome. Really packed full of features. The only thing I hate about the whole ordeal is Visual Studio.net - what a piece of crap that is. Hey, and if you care about money, C# people are REALLY in demand and someone with C background can easily pick up C#
Damn, I sound like a huge freakin fanboy, I don't mean to, I actually don't like MS, but they did get C# right.
i'm not saying only i can code a system faster. I'm saying anyone can code faster in C# than in C. It's a faster language. The code in C# is just as rock solid as any other code, depending on how good the programmer is. It has the added benefits of type safety and memory use intelligence. My bet is that you haven't even picked up or tried C# for whatever reason. I think you should try it before you declare you wouldn't pick it.
/me wakes/em up. I like C and everything. But I think that a lot of people's debates over languages and what's good for what stem out of missing context. What are you talking about? GENERAL programming? How are you going to do SQL querries in C? How are you going to get any simpler and more concise libraries than Haskell? How are you going to work with matrices as fast as MATLAB? And lastly, how are you going to beat a modern programming language like C# (or Java 1.5, or mono) for productivity?
When you can code a huge system in C as fast as I can do it in C# or Java, let me know. By huge I mean over 1 million lines of code. And no, I'm not using Visual Studio, it breaks all over the place for anything over 100,000 lines.
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Word of advice: instead of hacking, trying paying attention in English class, specifically grammar.
Pot... Kettle.
Kettle... Pot
hahaha
I've nothing against Java, just prefer C#. It's really what it comes to. I wish people just got their shit together and started all running an operatings sytem based on BSD kernels with Linux communities, Apple Interfaces and Microsoft Business Models.
But really, nothing better than two geeks doing their best ebonics on slashdot dissin each other about which operating system to use. The british should make a show about this.
ok, i'm not playa-hatin da mac dog,
i'm jus sayin dat da mac ain't no good at enterprise level software that i can afford. I already done told youse I can't afford no damn Oracle. That shit will break my bank. So I'se got to stick wit da SQL Server and till da mac runs dat shit, I'm not buyin it. Nuttin against the mac, I like the machines. I prefer IBM, but mac is cool by me.
peace
here's something really simple that i wasn't able to do in MySQL: change the ordering of columns through their GUI without removing and putting them back.
.net)
... find nothing. And no, I don't have a simple problem and I don't need a simple RDBMS. I need the best I can get without killing my budget like Oracle would.
here are the things I love about SQL Server that the others don't have (to my knowledge)
- analysis services (you know, like cubes, multi dimensional data modelling and data warehousing)
- DTS packages and general data transformation services made as easy as the DTS package builder is in SQL
- Integration with a good free (as in beer) application platform (such as
I've nothing against the other RDBMSs, I'm just at a loss when in SQL Server you can right click and copy tables, views, stored procedures and just move them to another database and when I try to do the same thing in PostgresSQL and
Exactly!
To expand on that. You can't teach someone what they NEED to know about computers. Because different people need different things. Instead, try to teach people some basics of the computer... how to set it up, how to protect your files. And teach them how to make sure nothing "bad" happens to them. Like why clicking on email attachments or preview panes are bad. This is not because you're security minded, like the parent says, you want to disspell that irrational fear. Most of the users I talk to are "afraid I'm going to break it". So if you just teach them how to not break it or have other people break into it, that sense of security should foster what humans are best at: figuring things out. With security behind them, they'll be able to just mess around and do whatever they want. I think the best thing to start from would be to teach them how to back up. Once they've got this down, tell them they can do ANYTHING to their computer and just restore it from the backup and everything's fine. DeepFreeze is a great tool for this.
Good luck!
many artists feel what I'm about to show you, but here's a quote from Beethoven just in case you need a higher authority:
There ought to be but one large art warehouse in the world, to which the artist could carry his art-works, and from which he could carry away whatever he needed. As it is, one must be half a tradesman. - Beethoven
Here's an idea: piracy is bad for the leechers and the middlemen. It's bad for business and that's what America's all about, right? Business. So don't talk about other countries and piracy as if they're some unwashed masses stealing precious music and food off the table of artists. If everyone was more chill about this whole shit, artists could make a lot of money if people like their music, just like all the indie bands are doing now anyway. The system as it is only stands to serve the shittastic music of the simpson sisters or play "wake me up when september's gone" 8 times a day. It's getting old and people will not put up with shit for too long. Radio dies first, then the industry. I can't wait, Beethoven's dream will be true, God and the internet willing.
yeah... riiiight... ALSO, you could like TALK to people. Here's an example:
Four people are waiting. Two elevators are coming down.
One: where you guys going?
Two: 2nd floor
Three: 3rd floor
Four: 3rd floor
One: Oh, cool, Two come with me, you ladies take that other elevator.
Woa! That was really tough! These elevators aren't solving the elevator traffic problem, they're solving the asocial stupid person problem. Take the stairs, it'll make you smarter.
* WARNING * IN THE EXAMPLE ABOVE, AS WELL AS IN THESE NEW SHITTY ELEVATORS, YOU LOSE THAT WONDERFUL AFTER LUNCH RIDE UP WITH THE 40% CHANCE TO SHARE AN ELEVATOR CAR WITH THE REALLY HOT ACCOUNTING CHICK FROM THE FLOOR ABOVE YOU.
15 seconds, huh?
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"It's probably bullshit. The world is full of concepts which aren't really concepts - big balls of fluff that proport to be explaining this hard-to-explain idea but are really just hiding the total lack of substance. Web 2.0 is very much one of them. Web 1.0 is trivial to explain and the concept
That's about all I got. Doesn't make much sense to me so far... it must be bullshit.
Just kidding, but I agree with you. I think you should change it from "15 seconds" to "if you can't explain it clearly and quickly to a large audience". It seems to me like there's one web and it's evolved but nobody's released any new web. Like, I can't install Web 2.0 or go to a site where I can see links for Web_2.0.tar.gz and Web_2.0.exe (If you're a windows user, click here, click save, go to the desktop, click save, go to your desktop, double click, click next, click next, click finish
So... web 2.0 is basically a way for people to say that a lot has changed with the web since we used bulletin boards and 0.0004 baud modems (That was right before the 900 baud came out). No duh. Was that 15 seconds?
well, like i replied to someone else, MySQL and Oracle are nice, but don't compare to SQL Server in features and productivity.
.net because you can use C# with modules in Haskell and Perl for specialized things. I'm not saying Visual Studio .net, Holy God no, but .net is a great framework. I'm not saying I don't wish Microsoft offered these on Macs and Linux, but as it is, they're not available for those platforms.
games in general (not just pirated) are another one. Setting up a Home Media Center is considerably harder with Linux (I have Ubuntu and I know) than with Windows. For development, I believe the best development platform out there right now is
Your prejudice on database servers is about 3 years old. Check out the performance measurements for Oracle vs. Microsoft SQL Server 2005. It's almost the same performance, with the same capacity, with an infinitely easier to use package and administration tools (DTS, Analysis Services, CLR integration with .NET, excellent XML support) all bundled for a MUCH cheaper license than ORACLE. MySQL is hacky at best... just try doing nested queries with any sort of performance. You'd have to be crazy to use Sybase since there's nothing you can use to develop against it short of the monopoly platform that that one company charges you an arm and a leg for. And PostgresSQL is great but poorly documented, and without any of the features of SQL Server. Please, don't just regurgitate nonsensical oppinions with no experience to back them up. My entire home network runs Ubuntu - a server, two workstations and a laptop and I've had experience with all the databases you mention. SQL Server is by far the best. ORACLE is better technically but in terms of what you can produce with it, they have nothing on Microsoft.
That's truly disturbing. First we send these poor kids out to die for some ridiculous power stomp operation in Iraq. Now we don't let people play CDs because our affiliations are not with our own kids but with foreign mega coorporations.
Fuckin thought America was different than the rest of the world when I moved here. Fuckin everyone's the same, just bullshit people in a bullshit endless shit cycle. Wake up people, you're better than this. Do something about it. Tell your ex-commander or whatever that it's not the CDs that are causing it but SONY. If that doesn't work, sue the military, do something.
to quote Chaplin, "The Great Dictator" loosely:
"Flying Tanks? Yes, those are obsolete now, we've got flying juggernauts."
seriously... a search engine to rival google? Do they realize the money, infrastructure, timing, and business model that it would take to get anywhere close to google? Unless all of Europe pitches in and works on it for like 3 years, they've got nothing.
actually, 1.8 ghz by itself is neither "fast" nor "slow". A processor's speed is not determined by ghz. It's determined much better by how many millions of instructions per second it can do, and under what conditions. It's tied in with compilers and what code they produce, and for what applications. So it's not as easy as GHz. This is a Pentium M. It's a new breed of chip, different than a Pentium 4. If you followed the reviews for the last year, you'd see that Pentium Ms on the desktop are KILLING the Pentium 4 in performance, where a P IV at 2.6 GHz is comparable to a Pentium M at 1.6 GHz. This is because of a shorter pipeline (that the instructions have to traverse to be completed) and a bigger cache (so more instructions can be closer to the processor when it wants to access them). Now, these are DUAL core 1.8 GHz, so you can bet your bottom dollar that if Apple optimized their stuff to run on two cores or if the chips just work with the software inherently somehow, they will absolutely be faster than any chip out there right now. BLAZING. Now, as far as 3 hours of battery life... that'd have to be qualified - under what load? If it's under normal load, that's kinda bad - the regular Pentium M does better than that. What I want to see is a small battery that lasts 10 hours.
there's a lot of posts like yours. That's nice that you feel that way. But let me know when I can download thousands of pirated games that run on Mac OS X. Or let me know when I can run SQL Server 2000 or something comparable in power and flexibility on Mac OS X. For those of you who don't need it, cool. For those of use who need it, Linux is a much better alternative than Mac. Most likely, I'll be buying one ONLY if it'll dual boot Windows.
I definitely agree with what you said, with slight alterations:
- people think us jesus followers are bonkers: you, as an obvious capitalist do not sound like any typical jesus follower. We think the people that deny the concepts of physics and provide no alternative are bonkers.
- war requires democracy: well, yeah, it's nice to have democracy because then the driving force is oppinion and not money. But it isn't required. Fascist and Dictatorship regimes have also been enablers of war.
- the planet will heal itself quickly: very true. As Carlin says, the planet is fine, WE are fucked.
- the planet won't heal itself after a nuclear war: somewhat true. It may not heal itself to allow human life but life will go on. I'm certain of it because there are species on this planet that absolutely nothing could wipe out (bacteria)
there was a great post on slashdot a while back as to why precisely that mentality is bad for computer security. If you allow yourself to think: "I want all the bad stuff off my computer" then the subscription based anti virus companies rejoice. If you think: "Build a safe computer that knows what should and shouldn't run" you're on the right track.
My guess is that OS X is safe for a combination of reasons. One is that it is designed from the ground up with good solid backgrounds in BSD and security. The other is that its market share is small and viruses simply don't target it as much. My other guess is that mac users are slightly more intelligent than average (hackers, designers, rich people - not that being rich makes you smart, just smarter than average) so they won't go browsing pr0n sites on unpatched computers with VMWare running IE 5.0 under Windows Millenium edition from a physical partition on their computer sharing their OS X partition with read/write access.
you see... there's this mat
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and it has... conclusions written ALL over it
And you can jump to them!!
That's the worst idea I've ever heard.
So the explanation is this guy was fired from Innotech and needs to let off some steam.
"Hey, patio11, got any ideas for what you would do if we gave you a lot of money?"
Ok, where do you work and how can I get a job there? I'm a very bright young programmer and I would love an opportunity like that.
not true actually, even your average joe is wondering why his computer has been reformatted 10 times by geeks and worked on countless hours and has laggy performance because of 10 new pieces of anti spyware, anti virus, anti spam crapware on his system. Trust me, the unwashed (dare I say washed) masses know there's a problem and they would LOVE a DEFENDER. As far as I can tell, MS has made no mistake in naming, their stuff is brilliant: word, PowerPoint, .NET, Windows, just genius if you really think about it.
right, and going futher than that lets think:
maybe SM sees BB's stories as interesting, has developed an unconscious way of filtering his out of the other stories and looking at them first or reading them in their entirety. So maybe, to make everything fair, you could randomize what stories the editors look at. That way, if someone else wanted to spam to get a higher chance of having their story featured, they could do so. Or, you could limit everyone to one submission per day.
Just some ideas, please allow for any ignorance of your current system that I may be flaunting here.
wtf are you talking about. Mono isn't Microsoft. The fact that we may finally have a platform that both Linux and Windows developers agree to work on is a ... GOOD THING. Think before you post, don't drink and post, etc.
i am so sick and tired of this over righteous viewpoint. These "evil" companies are making money. That's what america is all about. If you don't _like_ it, go to Sweden. Google is a company just like all the others. They will make money whether they try to appear nice to the public or not. If they do not aggressively make money. they will die quickly. As a matter of fact, no matter what they do, they will die. Just like every other company in history. After they die, they may reform and do business again. But they do not want to die. Is this so evil? That's all these companies are doing. Dirty practices, stealing people from each other, stealing software, ideas, making buggy code, it's all driven by a market. Nobody is putting a gun to your head and saying buy Microsoft. It's all money, and you buy it either because you like it (google) or because you have to like it (microsoft). Get used to it, understand it, and you won't be thinking in these silly "evil" "non-evil" absolutes.
C# isn't as hidden as you think. You can just go: unsafe { C code goes here } and do any C pointer manipulations you want. But you rarely need to. The things I love most about C# 1.1 are simple things that just make your life easier:
... ) // do stuff with b and not worry about // deallocating it because it will dispose // itself at the end of this block
.net framework is awesome. Really packed full of features. The only thing I hate about the whole ordeal is Visual Studio.net - what a piece of crap that is. Hey, and if you care about money, C# people are REALLY in demand and someone with C background can easily pick up C#
- indexers. If you have a hashtable, looking up a key in it is like this:
myHash["key"] = "value";
and you can overload these puppies so you can add crazy indexers into your structures like for example:
businessRules["Monday", "Accounting"]
- overloading operators. There's nothing like being able to compare dates right out of the box and being able to add your own >, 500") )
- control over memory such as the use statement:
using( BigFatMemoryHogNeededForOnlyThisBlock b = new
{
}
And then when you get down to it, the
Damn, I sound like a huge freakin fanboy, I don't mean to, I actually don't like MS, but they did get C# right.
i'm not saying only i can code a system faster. I'm saying anyone can code faster in C# than in C. It's a faster language. The code in C# is just as rock solid as any other code, depending on how good the programmer is. It has the added benefits of type safety and memory use intelligence. My bet is that you haven't even picked up or tried C# for whatever reason. I think you should try it before you declare you wouldn't pick it.
/me wakes /em up. I like C and everything. But I think that a lot of people's debates over languages and what's good for what stem out of missing context. What are you talking about? GENERAL programming? How are you going to do SQL querries in C? How are you going to get any simpler and more concise libraries than Haskell? How are you going to work with matrices as fast as MATLAB? And lastly, how are you going to beat a modern programming language like C# (or Java 1.5, or mono) for productivity?
When you can code a huge system in C as fast as I can do it in C# or Java, let me know. By huge I mean over 1 million lines of code. And no, I'm not using Visual Studio, it breaks all over the place for anything over 100,000 lines.