Minimum data speeds? Surely it depends on the device you are using and the area you are in...The bill obviously has good intentions but it'll be hard to maintain the info.
You're sort of right. Opera on the iPhone doesn't use WebKit, it handles reading the page on the Opera server and then sends you the image of the page to your phone. The majority of other third party web browsers do get forced to use WebKit but there is a very good reason to use them over the default Safari app. I use Atomic Web and it's got adblocking built in as well as a true full screen mode. That's just 2 of the 10's of little additions that make it such a more enjoyable/feature rich experience than the standard browser bundled with the phone.
I'm an iPhone user that uses Atomic Web as my default browser and uses the Cydia tweak 'BrowserChanger' to make the phone open all URLs with Atomic Web instead of Safari.
But then I'm of the opinion that if I wasn't able to jailbreak my phone and install the useful tweaks I probably wouldn't have an iPhone at all.
Until the time that there is no available jailbreak, you shouldn't view the iPhone through the eyes of what it can't do out of the box.
I love that sort of attitude, "I don't need it so you shouldn't need it either".
Here's just a few reasons to jailbreak;
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3563/photomnk.png
The iPhone lacks so many features or seemingly obvious functions that without the tweaks that jailbreaking provides, I'd probably swap phones.
The only extra info I could find was this;
"The lawsuit also said the consulting firm bought an iPhone and turned off all apps and services -- location services, push notifications, even e-mail. The consulting firm said it received data charges from 35 data transactions over 10 days, totaling about 2.3 MB. "
that's actually a positive for a lot of people including me, if I can't remember the full url to a page I visited but remember what was being discussed, I can normally find it. you can turn the awesomebar off as well iirc
tens of thousands...for porn? I'd bet money there are hundreds of thousands to millions of porn website, their list will grow by a ludicrous amount each day as well.
http://www.domaintools.com/internet-statistics/ rough guess at how many domains are our there, I could easily see at least a couple hundred thousand of the current 125 million domains at least have porn on them somewhere, even if they aren't traditional "porn sites" dedicated to it/requiring payment.
in my teen years (not so long ago) I used to visit quite a few "funny video" sites that also would randomly through in some porn just for good measure:P
Because you're using their service and they get to choose how the default state is? Don't whine about something you're voluntarily using and have the option to stop immediately.
In that case then the 5 second claim is basically rubbish.
Even with injecting your own packets to speed up the total IVs collected, it's going to take about 20-30 seconds and that is also with legitimate users on the network actually transferring packets so you get an even larger pool.
5 seconds would explain connecting to an open network, not WEP cracking.
Even setting up the most common method of cracking wep which is using some variant of aircrack takes at least half a minute.
Where do you think your morals are from? I've read majority of the responses on this page and the only question I really come away wanting to know is how you think morals are formed.
I probably should have clarified what I meant in my original post, but I didn't mean that I don't use tabs, I use tabs all the time. At the moment I've had 4 open for the last 2 hours. I use google reader and queue up all the feed items I want to read and then go through and read them, I also do the same on forums so I do have moments when I have 20+ tabs open at one time.
The point I was making was why would you leave those 20 tabs open AFTER you've read the contents of them? Leaving enough open to justify the expose/grouping offered by this new feature.
I suppose it all comes down to your point about leaving them open instead of simply making a bookmark, your example of 'Local NWS 7 day forecast for my home, a rather complicated (bookmarked) URL.' I don't really see the point in leaving the page open using any resources for something that changes once a day:P
Am I the only one that opens up tabs to read the content and then closes the tab after doing so? I don't really see why someone would have like 20+ tabs constantly just sitting open.
But every example you pointed out is a form of censorship. However broad the definition is, fundamentally it's censorship.
I think the issue here is that everyone seems to assume 'censorship' is a bad thing. I have no problem with moderators removing spammy posts that go against the forum rules. Just because you bring in the C word doesn't mean it wasn't called for.
I suppose the counter argument is 'it's a slippery slope' .
This is rubbish, FTTC is the best way to get hi speed connections as soon as physically possible without having to invest double figure billions.
Once you have FTTC installed you then use VDSL to cover the last mile and then you are talking about 40Mbit/s as the average sort of speed available.
After a couple of years when the whole "digital Britain" idea takes off you can then start pumping money to actually connect the final mile with fibre.
Saying FTTC and 2Mbit in the same sentence is simply wrong.
Oh I forgot to add, the 50Mbit being offered is purely down to this being their first push into using DOCSIS 3, the company has been quoted as saying once they make sure their network is working properly and more areas are supported, in a year or less they'll start offering 80Mbit and upwards to 120Mbit. All still based on the hardware the current 50Mbit subscribers use and all still not requiring any digging.
This has nothing to do with digging up the roads, the article talks about the US basing their high speed lines around FiOS installs, where as Japan are simply upgrading their cable lines to use DOCSIS 3 instead of 1.
In the UK atm, the main (pretty much only) cable provider is doing the same, they are upgrading half of their network to run off DOCSIS 3 and are offering 50Mbit, but leaving the rest of the network still on DOCSIS 1 that'll run speeds of less than 20Mbit.
All it takes is for the ISP to replace the hardware in their buildings and send the customer a new cable modem that supports version 3.
Literally, no spade is involved at all in the process.
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so as long as they say "from zero up to the maximum we have advertised" then it's sufficient? seems pretty pointless.
Minimum data speeds? Surely it depends on the device you are using and the area you are in...The bill obviously has good intentions but it'll be hard to maintain the info.
You're sort of right. Opera on the iPhone doesn't use WebKit, it handles reading the page on the Opera server and then sends you the image of the page to your phone. The majority of other third party web browsers do get forced to use WebKit but there is a very good reason to use them over the default Safari app. I use Atomic Web and it's got adblocking built in as well as a true full screen mode. That's just 2 of the 10's of little additions that make it such a more enjoyable/feature rich experience than the standard browser bundled with the phone.
I'm an iPhone user that uses Atomic Web as my default browser and uses the Cydia tweak 'BrowserChanger' to make the phone open all URLs with Atomic Web instead of Safari. But then I'm of the opinion that if I wasn't able to jailbreak my phone and install the useful tweaks I probably wouldn't have an iPhone at all. Until the time that there is no available jailbreak, you shouldn't view the iPhone through the eyes of what it can't do out of the box.
"could" "might" "maybe", what a complete non story.
broadband ISPs COULD charge you per character typed but they don't and probably wont.
I love that sort of attitude, "I don't need it so you shouldn't need it either".
Here's just a few reasons to jailbreak;
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3563/photomnk.png
The iPhone lacks so many features or seemingly obvious functions that without the tweaks that jailbreaking provides, I'd probably swap phones.
The only extra info I could find was this; "The lawsuit also said the consulting firm bought an iPhone and turned off all apps and services -- location services, push notifications, even e-mail. The consulting firm said it received data charges from 35 data transactions over 10 days, totaling about 2.3 MB. "
http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2008/06/17/dont-think-the-firefox-3-awesome-bar-is-awesome-heres-how-t/ you tried that?
that's actually a positive for a lot of people including me, if I can't remember the full url to a page I visited but remember what was being discussed, I can normally find it. you can turn the awesomebar off as well iirc
tens of thousands...for porn? I'd bet money there are hundreds of thousands to millions of porn website, their list will grow by a ludicrous amount each day as well. http://www.domaintools.com/internet-statistics/ rough guess at how many domains are our there, I could easily see at least a couple hundred thousand of the current 125 million domains at least have porn on them somewhere, even if they aren't traditional "porn sites" dedicated to it/requiring payment. in my teen years (not so long ago) I used to visit quite a few "funny video" sites that also would randomly through in some porn just for good measure :P
Because you're using their service and they get to choose how the default state is? Don't whine about something you're voluntarily using and have the option to stop immediately.
In that case then the 5 second claim is basically rubbish. Even with injecting your own packets to speed up the total IVs collected, it's going to take about 20-30 seconds and that is also with legitimate users on the network actually transferring packets so you get an even larger pool. 5 seconds would explain connecting to an open network, not WEP cracking. Even setting up the most common method of cracking wep which is using some variant of aircrack takes at least half a minute.
Where do you think your morals are from? I've read majority of the responses on this page and the only question I really come away wanting to know is how you think morals are formed.
I probably should have clarified what I meant in my original post, but I didn't mean that I don't use tabs, I use tabs all the time. At the moment I've had 4 open for the last 2 hours. I use google reader and queue up all the feed items I want to read and then go through and read them, I also do the same on forums so I do have moments when I have 20+ tabs open at one time. The point I was making was why would you leave those 20 tabs open AFTER you've read the contents of them? Leaving enough open to justify the expose/grouping offered by this new feature. I suppose it all comes down to your point about leaving them open instead of simply making a bookmark, your example of 'Local NWS 7 day forecast for my home, a rather complicated (bookmarked) URL.' I don't really see the point in leaving the page open using any resources for something that changes once a day :P
Am I the only one that opens up tabs to read the content and then closes the tab after doing so? I don't really see why someone would have like 20+ tabs constantly just sitting open.
But every example you pointed out is a form of censorship. However broad the definition is, fundamentally it's censorship. I think the issue here is that everyone seems to assume 'censorship' is a bad thing. I have no problem with moderators removing spammy posts that go against the forum rules. Just because you bring in the C word doesn't mean it wasn't called for. I suppose the counter argument is 'it's a slippery slope' .
I see you've played knifey spoony before!
I thought this was in idle and was wondering why it was in my RSS feed and then saw it's in YRO. Come on slashdot...
Even with BT 4.0, I'd love to see a power usage comparison, I'm sure IR would easily win.
I didn't know we are allowed to quote House episodes as scientific fact nowadays :P
This is rubbish, FTTC is the best way to get hi speed connections as soon as physically possible without having to invest double figure billions. Once you have FTTC installed you then use VDSL to cover the last mile and then you are talking about 40Mbit/s as the average sort of speed available. After a couple of years when the whole "digital Britain" idea takes off you can then start pumping money to actually connect the final mile with fibre. Saying FTTC and 2Mbit in the same sentence is simply wrong.
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2797951&group_id=4421&atid=104421 official bug submitted
an even more obvious solution is to read what's on the page and then close the tab...
Oh I forgot to add, the 50Mbit being offered is purely down to this being their first push into using DOCSIS 3, the company has been quoted as saying once they make sure their network is working properly and more areas are supported, in a year or less they'll start offering 80Mbit and upwards to 120Mbit. All still based on the hardware the current 50Mbit subscribers use and all still not requiring any digging.
This has nothing to do with digging up the roads, the article talks about the US basing their high speed lines around FiOS installs, where as Japan are simply upgrading their cable lines to use DOCSIS 3 instead of 1.
In the UK atm, the main (pretty much only) cable provider is doing the same, they are upgrading half of their network to run off DOCSIS 3 and are offering 50Mbit, but leaving the rest of the network still on DOCSIS 1 that'll run speeds of less than 20Mbit.
All it takes is for the ISP to replace the hardware in their buildings and send the customer a new cable modem that supports version 3.
Literally, no spade is involved at all in the process.