One time when I was a Sophomore in High School, my friend was experimenting with dialboard.com, when it then still had free parts. Anyway, we got a wild hair to use Yahoo! People Search to look for this guy. We found his number and called him, but he didn't answer. WE left a 5 minute voice mail saying how cool he was and shit like that. We tried to call again a few days later, but he'd changed his number i guess because it didn't work. WE tried to search, but he didn;t show up this time. And that is my Andy Hertzfeld Story.
my mother has probably around 8-10,000 files in her 'My Documents' in no particular fashion. I guess they are listed by name. But she doesn't put them in directories futher than that. No organization. I don't believe she could find anything she made more than a week or two ago and still remembered the name of.
it's mostly the illusion of consistancy. I have nothing against Motif. I have nothing against CDE, really. And its not just a consistancy in form, but also in function. This is a problem often stated on Slashdot with reguards to "linux" applications. They don't all work alike. There are like, 50 different toolkits that can be used and they don't integrate in appearance. The themes don't always work. et cetera. I try to use only GTK apps on my unix installations. I rarely use a theme because i can never find a GTK theme that actually looks like it should be touching the window borders.
UNIX is also too customizable. If I bring up an installation of Linux or BSD, i'm unproductive for two days while I try to make it work the way I want it to. If I sit down at someone else's workstation, there could be an infinite possibility of shell configurations. Everyone sticks things in different places, different prompts, alias, clobers, et cetera. It's hell going from one machine to another. With Windows, without paying for something retarded like Window Blinds, I can change some colours and the background image, but that's it. For all intents and purposes, with the exception of installed applications, all Windows machines are alike. I can sit at my friend's computer and use it without issue. The uniformity makes administration and adaptation easier. This is one reason, which I am sure many slashdotters will agree to, that keeps Linux from widspread adoption. Also, it's more 'serious' looking. I can make my desktop look like anything I want to with Enlightenment. OS X looks like a faggy candy store. Windows (with the exception of the ass-ugly XP borders and buttons) does not look like a cartoon. The icons don't look like some kid drew them with a crayon. It says "use me for work" not "gee wiz, look what i can do" or "hey! i'm a peter puffer!"
Honestly, going through my teenage years militantly anti-microsoft and not even thinking there was another way to do operating systems other than the UNIX, exchanging emails with Thompson and Ritchie and using C like a rabbid fanboy, I'm the last person I'd expect to say anything in the defense of Windows. But i've grown up. I don't really give a shit anymore. I don't want things getting in my way. I have never had a problem with win2k pro. I don't expect it to do anything amazing, so i dont try and thus i never break it. I'm not a retard so i dont get viruses or spyware.
In short, yes, my complaint is about consistancy, not "looks." If I wanted it to look cool, I'd use Linux with Enlightenment. But I just want to do work and get the fuck out of college and join the marines. I don't have time to worry about dotfiles and permissions, or to keep tinkering with the looks of the windows and buttons. I don't want it to look like a lollypop or candyland, or LCARS.
But a simple desktop over a BSD core, like this thread started, would be grand. I bet it would have mass adoption. It'd be like OS X on PC hardware and without looking like a homo pride parade.
yes. i can't deael the the ads in AIM. Trillian is fucking ugly. SO i use GAIM. But the WIMP theme is just that little bit off. Now every one is using XP (well, lots of people) and new software is being made to look like XP. That doesn't fit. All and all, i'm no better off than using Linux where half the apps i use need a different toolkit than the desktop i'm using.
I used to care what went on underneath. My first job out of high school was programming on the Free Electron Laser w/ C on Linux at the Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility. I used FreeBSD (2.2.8 on) from the time I was 12 years old (I am 20 now), occasionally dabbling with Slackware. Actually, Redhat 5.2 is still my favourite operating system ever. Now am an English major, not computer science. I got burned out while working for real at it. All i want to do is type my papers, get my email, and yack at my friends. I'm almost like a normal user these days, except I actually know what I am doing. However, the inconsititancies drive me nuts. Like the guy above said, about the difference between Word and Notepad, yeah, it wish that Office 2003 wheren't so fucking shiney looking. They want it to blend with XP. If someone would hook me up with an XP Pro CD, i'd use it and probably never notice anything again. But my Ubuntu installation died on me (sudo broke). Then the Hoary version wouldn't install. So I went back to FreeBSD, my old friend, but for some reason, doing exactly what I had done for years, I couldn't get my retarded s3 integrated video card in this eRacks workstation I bought running FreeBSD when I came to college to work again. I put Debian stable on, and that worked for about an hour until something else pissed me off. My aunt and uncle bought me an mp3 player for Christmas, and so I had to go back to Windows for pragmatic purposes. My school gives us Office 2003, and it's better than Open Office. Pirating Photoshop is easy enough, not that i ever do graphics works, but if i need to i can. My firewall, my anti-virus, and my spybot, my gmail account is good about spam, and my school account is too. I don't have any problems. All my hardware works. That gaim doesn't look quite right i can look past. Actually, i have it transparent with an opacity of 133, so i can't reall see the offending issues with WIMP.
If Microsoft made a new OS based on BSD but with the graphical unity of form that Windows 2000 Pro has, I'd be happy as a clam. OS X has a solid structure, but quite frankly it looks retarded. Even the Apple programmes that come with Panther are not uniform. I have an iBook G4 which I gave to my sister after about 6 months and too my eRacks workstation back and put Win2kPro on it because I couldn't deal with Mail being in Pinstripe, while iChat and Safari are in Brushed Metal. Finder is Brushed Metal, but the bar at the top is in Pinstripe. Apps might be Cocoa or Carbon. Depending, it changes the look. Its the subtle things that bother me.
But the high price of Apple hardware, not to mention the non-serious look of the software, i immagine, would be a detriment to OS X adoption in business. But if the Windows desktop were on top of BSD, it would be like OS X only it'd look professional. It'd be solid. It would go a long way towards improving security. That, or showing that UNIX isn't really that secure either. Either way, it'd be a win-win situation.
I looked at the virus definition database for Norton one time, and 'vmlinuz' was listed. If I actually read the report the shit my school makes us use creates, it pops open the java CLASSPATH file and says a bunch of that stuff is trojan horses.
It's slashdot. I don't even have to be literate. Hell, i hardly ever read the article (of course, every time i want to it's dead). It's not literature. I don't put any effort into my papers for class (English major) and still get B+-A on everything. Of course, Word has a spellchecker.
One need only maintaine a venear of Republic in order to form an Autocracy. Re: Augustus. He was not a king, merely he held the Consulship, Tribunition, Censorship, and Pontificate perpetually and all at the same time. Personally, if I were President I wouldn't appoint any cabinate officals. The constitutions says I can, not that I have to. I'd just be me and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and I'd probbaly wear a Class A military uniform instead of a suite. I would be Commander in Chief, after all. That essentailly makes me like, a 6-star general.
why use expensive temporary paint instead of cheep spray paint to fake a gang tag for to get your car painted by the insurance company? That's pretty stupid.
it just randomly got broken. I didn't do anything differently, just it decided that all the text should move over and impose itself over the crap on the left. I used to never notice what people complained about in this matter, but it started to get worse. I know that sounds retarded, but that's exactly how it went down -- gradual degeneration. I don't usually run windows either (BSD guy since I was 12. I am 20 now). IE works perfectly, of course. It pisses me off on principle, but not a lot I can do about it.
quite frankly, until I can render Slashdot properly on Firefox on Windows, a task which should be basic, especially compared to writing a video game, i suspect that free software operating platforms are going to languish in the background, particularly with games. This is not a troll or flamebait. I'm just saying, we need to get our own shit together before we start trying to make a windows competitor that's going to get anywhere in the market.
I just typed about 4 paragraphs of ramblings to answer this, leading myself to a senario in which either we enter cold war with the nsdap, or a vague win or lose which depends on hypothetical data which i'll want to say favoures the US because i'm ultra-jingoist, but probably favores the Germans and their "America Bombers" launched from the Canary Islands.
Still, I like to think the Nazis would have trampled the commies. I'm not so sure it wouldn't have been of benefit to us to have gone to war on the side of the axis before pearl harbor against the soviet union. then again, i'm operating from 20/30 hindsight (i know the history but i have slanted views. at least i admit it which is 1-up on most slashdotters).
It's late (or early) and i'm probably hallucinating from sleep deprovation, so you can probably just ignore me.
Control, extorsion et cetera. "Citizen, your papers please?" The same with standardized testing -- identify strenghts and weaknesses, assign occupations thusly. You can't get away with any of that subversive crap if they know where you are. Like Santa Clause only far less dastardly.
yeah... the brits helped, too. but we did do Japan 95% on our own, with a liberal jesture to the alleged importance of the fight in Burma by the Brits.
I refuse to recognize Soviet help in the defeat of Germany because I would rather have had the Nazis destroy the Soviet Union before Communism leaked into China and South East Asia, thereby keeping us from having a Cold War. Postponing Normandy by 6 months would have gotten the Germans a nuclear weapon. It would have been "dirty," but still a nuclear weapon. We would have had the fission bomb anyway. After Nazi vicotry on the Eastern front, a B-29 run on Berlin and a jump by the 82, 101, and the British units would have ended the war and avoided Korea, Vietnam, et cetera. The lack of Soviet Union to invade Afganistan would have meant no CIA backing of the Mujahadeen and one Osama Bin Laden. No proping on the Sha in Iran and pissing off muslims there either. Hey, guess what? Nazi victory over Russia means no War On Terror. No real reason for the National ID Card.
Cruzchev said, "we will burry you from within!" -- i'd rather take the chance with the Nazis, personally. But I really hate Communism.
no, there was totally an episode of JAG where they did that. it was the one where the fat guy had a broken leg and was hobbling around on crutches to solve the mystery or whatever. i've only seen like, 3 episodes and i didn't see the whole one of this. but the dude had this whole thing rigged up in his garage and knew just how much to make it temporary for the doctors but not do him any lasting damage. he was trying to blame it on korean spy weapons in the china sea.
wasn't this an episode of JAG and not a real story? it turned out the pilot was blasting himself with a laser in his garage to collect disability and he wasn't blinded by some insidious north korean energy weapon.
pogs were for 9 year olds. they're stupid pieces of cardboard with drawings on them. Not a lot of buyers remorse or post-purchase justification. If a 9 year old stops thinking pogs are cool, he's out $5.00. A 19 year old stops thinking iPod is cool he's out $200+ dollars. Even if iPod is gay and he gets beaten up for it, he's still going to rationalize the purchase. The effect gets stronger with age. So yeah.. nothing like pog. Probably moer like Magic: The Gathering.
you're not going to turn into the "notebook guy" from high school video game projects the world over, are you? get your friends to do everything and take all the credit... then again, that is effective training for managment.
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One time when I was a Sophomore in High School, my friend was experimenting with dialboard.com, when it then still had free parts. Anyway, we got a wild hair to use Yahoo! People Search to look for this guy. We found his number and called him, but he didn't answer. WE left a 5 minute voice mail saying how cool he was and shit like that. We tried to call again a few days later, but he'd changed his number i guess because it didn't work. WE tried to search, but he didn;t show up this time. And that is my Andy Hertzfeld Story.
my mother has probably around 8-10,000 files in her 'My Documents' in no particular fashion. I guess they are listed by name. But she doesn't put them in directories futher than that. No organization. I don't believe she could find anything she made more than a week or two ago and still remembered the name of.
it's mostly the illusion of consistancy. I have nothing against Motif. I have nothing against CDE, really. And its not just a consistancy in form, but also in function. This is a problem often stated on Slashdot with reguards to "linux" applications. They don't all work alike. There are like, 50 different toolkits that can be used and they don't integrate in appearance. The themes don't always work. et cetera. I try to use only GTK apps on my unix installations. I rarely use a theme because i can never find a GTK theme that actually looks like it should be touching the window borders. UNIX is also too customizable. If I bring up an installation of Linux or BSD, i'm unproductive for two days while I try to make it work the way I want it to. If I sit down at someone else's workstation, there could be an infinite possibility of shell configurations. Everyone sticks things in different places, different prompts, alias, clobers, et cetera. It's hell going from one machine to another. With Windows, without paying for something retarded like Window Blinds, I can change some colours and the background image, but that's it. For all intents and purposes, with the exception of installed applications, all Windows machines are alike. I can sit at my friend's computer and use it without issue. The uniformity makes administration and adaptation easier. This is one reason, which I am sure many slashdotters will agree to, that keeps Linux from widspread adoption. Also, it's more 'serious' looking. I can make my desktop look like anything I want to with Enlightenment. OS X looks like a faggy candy store. Windows (with the exception of the ass-ugly XP borders and buttons) does not look like a cartoon. The icons don't look like some kid drew them with a crayon. It says "use me for work" not "gee wiz, look what i can do" or "hey! i'm a peter puffer!" Honestly, going through my teenage years militantly anti-microsoft and not even thinking there was another way to do operating systems other than the UNIX, exchanging emails with Thompson and Ritchie and using C like a rabbid fanboy, I'm the last person I'd expect to say anything in the defense of Windows. But i've grown up. I don't really give a shit anymore. I don't want things getting in my way. I have never had a problem with win2k pro. I don't expect it to do anything amazing, so i dont try and thus i never break it. I'm not a retard so i dont get viruses or spyware. In short, yes, my complaint is about consistancy, not "looks." If I wanted it to look cool, I'd use Linux with Enlightenment. But I just want to do work and get the fuck out of college and join the marines. I don't have time to worry about dotfiles and permissions, or to keep tinkering with the looks of the windows and buttons. I don't want it to look like a lollypop or candyland, or LCARS. But a simple desktop over a BSD core, like this thread started, would be grand. I bet it would have mass adoption. It'd be like OS X on PC hardware and without looking like a homo pride parade.
yes. i can't deael the the ads in AIM. Trillian is fucking ugly. SO i use GAIM. But the WIMP theme is just that little bit off. Now every one is using XP (well, lots of people) and new software is being made to look like XP. That doesn't fit. All and all, i'm no better off than using Linux where half the apps i use need a different toolkit than the desktop i'm using.
I used to care what went on underneath. My first job out of high school was programming on the Free Electron Laser w/ C on Linux at the Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility. I used FreeBSD (2.2.8 on) from the time I was 12 years old (I am 20 now), occasionally dabbling with Slackware. Actually, Redhat 5.2 is still my favourite operating system ever. Now am an English major, not computer science. I got burned out while working for real at it. All i want to do is type my papers, get my email, and yack at my friends. I'm almost like a normal user these days, except I actually know what I am doing. However, the inconsititancies drive me nuts. Like the guy above said, about the difference between Word and Notepad, yeah, it wish that Office 2003 wheren't so fucking shiney looking. They want it to blend with XP. If someone would hook me up with an XP Pro CD, i'd use it and probably never notice anything again. But my Ubuntu installation died on me (sudo broke). Then the Hoary version wouldn't install. So I went back to FreeBSD, my old friend, but for some reason, doing exactly what I had done for years, I couldn't get my retarded s3 integrated video card in this eRacks workstation I bought running FreeBSD when I came to college to work again. I put Debian stable on, and that worked for about an hour until something else pissed me off. My aunt and uncle bought me an mp3 player for Christmas, and so I had to go back to Windows for pragmatic purposes. My school gives us Office 2003, and it's better than Open Office. Pirating Photoshop is easy enough, not that i ever do graphics works, but if i need to i can. My firewall, my anti-virus, and my spybot, my gmail account is good about spam, and my school account is too. I don't have any problems. All my hardware works. That gaim doesn't look quite right i can look past. Actually, i have it transparent with an opacity of 133, so i can't reall see the offending issues with WIMP.
If Microsoft made a new OS based on BSD but with the graphical unity of form that Windows 2000 Pro has, I'd be happy as a clam. OS X has a solid structure, but quite frankly it looks retarded. Even the Apple programmes that come with Panther are not uniform. I have an iBook G4 which I gave to my sister after about 6 months and too my eRacks workstation back and put Win2kPro on it because I couldn't deal with Mail being in Pinstripe, while iChat and Safari are in Brushed Metal. Finder is Brushed Metal, but the bar at the top is in Pinstripe. Apps might be Cocoa or Carbon. Depending, it changes the look. Its the subtle things that bother me.
But the high price of Apple hardware, not to mention the non-serious look of the software, i immagine, would be a detriment to OS X adoption in business. But if the Windows desktop were on top of BSD, it would be like OS X only it'd look professional. It'd be solid. It would go a long way towards improving security. That, or showing that UNIX isn't really that secure either. Either way, it'd be a win-win situation.
I looked at the virus definition database for Norton one time, and 'vmlinuz' was listed. If I actually read the report the shit my school makes us use creates, it pops open the java CLASSPATH file and says a bunch of that stuff is trojan horses.
It's slashdot. I don't even have to be literate. Hell, i hardly ever read the article (of course, every time i want to it's dead). It's not literature. I don't put any effort into my papers for class (English major) and still get B+-A on everything. Of course, Word has a spellchecker.
and the Rosenburgs. Probably Alger Hiss and others in the Truman administration, too.
One need only maintaine a venear of Republic in order to form an Autocracy. Re: Augustus. He was not a king, merely he held the Consulship, Tribunition, Censorship, and Pontificate perpetually and all at the same time. Personally, if I were President I wouldn't appoint any cabinate officals. The constitutions says I can, not that I have to. I'd just be me and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and I'd probbaly wear a Class A military uniform instead of a suite. I would be Commander in Chief, after all. That essentailly makes me like, a 6-star general.
why use expensive temporary paint instead of cheep spray paint to fake a gang tag for to get your car painted by the insurance company? That's pretty stupid.
it just randomly got broken. I didn't do anything differently, just it decided that all the text should move over and impose itself over the crap on the left. I used to never notice what people complained about in this matter, but it started to get worse. I know that sounds retarded, but that's exactly how it went down -- gradual degeneration. I don't usually run windows either (BSD guy since I was 12. I am 20 now). IE works perfectly, of course. It pisses me off on principle, but not a lot I can do about it.
quite frankly, until I can render Slashdot properly on Firefox on Windows, a task which should be basic, especially compared to writing a video game, i suspect that free software operating platforms are going to languish in the background, particularly with games. This is not a troll or flamebait. I'm just saying, we need to get our own shit together before we start trying to make a windows competitor that's going to get anywhere in the market.
and how many countless lives have been lost to old age? it doesn't just happen in Korea, people!
I just typed about 4 paragraphs of ramblings to answer this, leading myself to a senario in which either we enter cold war with the nsdap, or a vague win or lose which depends on hypothetical data which i'll want to say favoures the US because i'm ultra-jingoist, but probably favores the Germans and their "America Bombers" launched from the Canary Islands.
Still, I like to think the Nazis would have trampled the commies. I'm not so sure it wouldn't have been of benefit to us to have gone to war on the side of the axis before pearl harbor against the soviet union. then again, i'm operating from 20/30 hindsight (i know the history but i have slanted views. at least i admit it which is 1-up on most slashdotters).
It's late (or early) and i'm probably hallucinating from sleep deprovation, so you can probably just ignore me.
Control, extorsion et cetera. "Citizen, your papers please?" The same with standardized testing -- identify strenghts and weaknesses, assign occupations thusly. You can't get away with any of that subversive crap if they know where you are. Like Santa Clause only far less dastardly.
yeah... the brits helped, too. but we did do Japan 95% on our own, with a liberal jesture to the alleged importance of the fight in Burma by the Brits.
I refuse to recognize Soviet help in the defeat of Germany because I would rather have had the Nazis destroy the Soviet Union before Communism leaked into China and South East Asia, thereby keeping us from having a Cold War. Postponing Normandy by 6 months would have gotten the Germans a nuclear weapon. It would have been "dirty," but still a nuclear weapon. We would have had the fission bomb anyway. After Nazi vicotry on the Eastern front, a B-29 run on Berlin and a jump by the 82, 101, and the British units would have ended the war and avoided Korea, Vietnam, et cetera. The lack of Soviet Union to invade Afganistan would have meant no CIA backing of the Mujahadeen and one Osama Bin Laden. No proping on the Sha in Iran and pissing off muslims there either. Hey, guess what? Nazi victory over Russia means no War On Terror. No real reason for the National ID Card.
Cruzchev said, "we will burry you from within!" -- i'd rather take the chance with the Nazis, personally. But I really hate Communism.
no, there was totally an episode of JAG where they did that. it was the one where the fat guy had a broken leg and was hobbling around on crutches to solve the mystery or whatever. i've only seen like, 3 episodes and i didn't see the whole one of this. but the dude had this whole thing rigged up in his garage and knew just how much to make it temporary for the doctors but not do him any lasting damage. he was trying to blame it on korean spy weapons in the china sea.
wasn't this an episode of JAG and not a real story? it turned out the pilot was blasting himself with a laser in his garage to collect disability and he wasn't blinded by some insidious north korean energy weapon.
if Russia had the amount of money period that nasa has in its budget, the soviet union might not have collapsed until more recently.
in a beowulf cluster of hot grits with a petrified natlie portman... in japan?
radio with pictures? bah! it'll never catch on! paperless news? bah! it'll never catch on! hey...wait.. where's my money?
pogs were for 9 year olds. they're stupid pieces of cardboard with drawings on them. Not a lot of buyers remorse or post-purchase justification. If a 9 year old stops thinking pogs are cool, he's out $5.00. A 19 year old stops thinking iPod is cool he's out $200+ dollars. Even if iPod is gay and he gets beaten up for it, he's still going to rationalize the purchase. The effect gets stronger with age. So yeah.. nothing like pog. Probably moer like Magic: The Gathering.
Wikipedia explains it. This is like, my 9th account. I remember this shit starting. If this article isn't correct, then i have no idea. drugs maybe?
by anti-gimp they mean where as GIMP is good, this is not.
you're not going to turn into the "notebook guy" from high school video game projects the world over, are you? get your friends to do everything and take all the credit... then again, that is effective training for managment.