The last versions of NTP that I contributed to, and paid close attention to when I was providing stratum-1 service, had a flag something like --syncRTC to force the OS to update the underlying battery-backed clock to the 'right' time from its software clock, and thus it would stay close enough during a reboot that (x)ntpd would be happy to pick up again.
And how does it get "close enough" in the first place? For a system to reboot, it has to boot in the first place. When a system comes from the factory with the date off by three months, it's not going to magically get close enough for ntpd to take over without an nptdate invocation.
I think that it is poor practice to run ntpdate at boot;
Give me a viable alternative.
instead make sure that the underlying RTC is being set to match the ntp-managed OS clock
Sorry, my magic wand's in the shop.
(with appropriate options on xntpd if necessary)
Such as? And last I checked they went back to calling it just ntpd, did I miss something?
and then there is no reason for the system clock to be far from reality at boot.
It doesn't have to be very far off to prevent ntpd from carrying on, and there are plenty of reasons, including mobo swaps, shipping hardware around $continent, and systems coming from the factory with the time off by months.
If there is a big discrepancy, a human should investigate/fix.
Generally xntpd and its ilk will not step the time more than a small amount, but will rather give up and quit instead.
but then you write:
but servers should not be automatically running ntpdate when configured properly.
These ideas conflict. It is common practice to run ntpdate at boot-time so that the time gets close enough for ntpd to manage, without this ntpd will often twiddle its thumbs indefinitely.
Didn't it turn out that using Handbrake or whatever for personal backup is Fair Use?
A USB DVD drive is like $35 these days.
I feel for your loss, but I personally have never trusted paying for content that I perpetually rely on someone else for access to. You didn't already have those downloads cached?
cancelled my credit card, and changed my account information on my iTunes account..
Nothing compelled you to do that, and if you expected licensing issues to not result, you haven't been paying attention.
Neither the cloud nor Apple makes the decisions here, it's how the content providers license stuff.
The real question is as to why you actually purchased content on the ITMS.
If there's any consistent logic to their cutoff times for same-day shipping, I have yet to figure out what it is.
I suspect that a significant factor is where a given item is staged, eg. if they have something in my home city maybe the cutoff is later than if it has to ship from Nevada or Georgia.
Samba was twitchy when I used it, but that was ~10 years ago.
When the GGP wrote of a NAS running it, my immediate thought was that who knows WTF the NAS vendor did, especially if this is some POS low-end thing from QNAP or something. Heck, look at the Android world where new devices are coming out with software that's what, 3 major revisions old?
Meh. I was offered a job at google but turned it down. Although the raw number is more than I make now, it would have been a pretty severe pay cut when you factor in the cost of living.
Why would a change in employer affect cost of living?
Sure, maybe those rotating platters are ok in some NAS box that you keep your big media files on (or in that cloud storage cluster you use, and where the network latencies make the disk latencies be secondary), but in an actual computer? Ugh. "Get thee behind me, Satan".
So, Linus, what exactly do you think that NAS box and the cloud storage cluster are running?
The pathetic state of storage management in Linux is the single biggest issue I have with it. Run ZFS systems for a while, enjoy the integration of devices, volumes, and filesystems.. Then go look at MD/LVM and the limits of ext4 and it's sad, really sad, enough that I'm reluctantly using HBA RAID instead. I lose the ability to mirror across HBA's for fault tolerance, but at least operations don't take a zillion fiddly steps.
I agree that CrashPlan's terms are somewhat more agreeable, that's why I picked them over BackBlaze. Both are fine services though.
The GP, though -- presuming that photography is his/her business and not just a rabbit-hole hobby like it is for me, $189 is entirely reasonable compared to the time/hassle described, especially since it would be a business expense that you'd write off on taxes.
I put Red Hat on a desktop system a handful of years ago. It was a neverending nightmare trying to get everything to work, and I gave up when CERT contacted me because it had been pwnd.
>Obviously the best option is to run Linux.
HAHAHHA that's a good one. I want to use my laptop to get stuff done. Spending hours every week adminning the thing would be counter to that goal.
>MacPorts is for those who want to use OSX, but also want to run some other more 'mainstream' software such as photoshop
Huh? Photoshop is a native OSX application.
>granted, those who use both photoshop and needing Unix server administrative tools are rare (an often no good at either task), but they are out there.
^photoshop^Lightroom and I venture that I'm good at the latter and passable at the former. I want a system that mostly Just Works, that runs a handful of off-the-shelf applications that I need, and that readily lets me do my paying job. OSX fits the bill, no Linux distribution does.
Hence me writing X4*** not X4?00. Eg. the X4270m3 (which they suddenly started calling something else) uses Intel, the X4100/X4200/X4600 {,m2} systems were AMD. It makes sense for them to stick with one or the other. HP still has a number of AMD variants, maybe they have customers who care.
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The last versions of NTP that I contributed to, and paid close attention to when I was providing stratum-1 service, had a flag something like --syncRTC to force the OS to update the underlying battery-backed clock to the 'right' time from its software clock, and thus it would stay close enough during a reboot that (x)ntpd would be happy to pick up again.
And how does it get "close enough" in the first place? For a system to reboot, it has to boot in the first place. When a system comes from the factory with the date off by three months, it's not going to magically get close enough for ntpd to take over without an nptdate invocation.
I think that it is poor practice to run ntpdate at boot;
Give me a viable alternative.
instead make sure that the underlying RTC is being set to match the ntp-managed OS clock
Sorry, my magic wand's in the shop.
(with appropriate options on xntpd if necessary)
Such as? And last I checked they went back to calling it just ntpd, did I miss something?
and then there is no reason for the system clock to be far from reality at boot.
It doesn't have to be very far off to prevent ntpd from carrying on, and there are plenty of reasons, including mobo swaps, shipping hardware around $continent, and systems coming from the factory with the time off by months.
If there is a big discrepancy, a human should investigate/fix.
Sounds like a job for a computer to me.
I'm well aware of that, son.
Generally xntpd and its ilk will not step the time more than a small amount, but will rather give up and quit instead.
but then you write:
but servers should not be automatically running ntpdate when configured properly.
These ideas conflict. It is common practice to run ntpdate at boot-time so that the time gets close enough for ntpd to manage, without this ntpd will often twiddle its thumbs indefinitely.
Given the affected spelling, I'm going with European.
Didn't it turn out that using Handbrake or whatever for personal backup is Fair Use? A USB DVD drive is like $35 these days. I feel for your loss, but I personally have never trusted paying for content that I perpetually rely on someone else for access to. You didn't already have those downloads cached?
It's called a DVD.
cancelled my credit card, and changed my account information on my iTunes account. .
Nothing compelled you to do that, and if you expected licensing issues to not result, you haven't been paying attention. Neither the cloud nor Apple makes the decisions here, it's how the content providers license stuff. The real question is as to why you actually purchased content on the ITMS.
If there's any consistent logic to their cutoff times for same-day shipping, I have yet to figure out what it is.
I suspect that a significant factor is where a given item is staged, eg. if they have something in my home city maybe the cutoff is later than if it has to ship from Nevada or Georgia.
I like prime myself, I shop a lot online
Agreed. When my son was born it paid for itself within a month.
But for a lot of people it is price gouging.
Well, if I bought a semi would the price be gouging, just because I bought something I don't need that doesn't suit my purposes?
The free books and streaming media collection suck, they are worthless.
Agreed.
Two day shipping is a convenience, but not worth it to a lot of people. It is for me, even if I opt for standard shipping, Amazon ships though OnTrac,
among the usual others
which is usually 1 day shipping.
It's kinda freaky when the unmarked white van pulls up and Igor drops a package off on my doorstep.
Agreed, I'd rather not pay for food that can't eat anyway.
When did a strong middle-class become the bad guy?
The same time that labor unions went from fighting abusive management practices to downright extortion.
Samba was twitchy when I used it, but that was ~10 years ago. When the GGP wrote of a NAS running it, my immediate thought was that who knows WTF the NAS vendor did, especially if this is some POS low-end thing from QNAP or something. Heck, look at the Android world where new devices are coming out with software that's what, 3 major revisions old?
Sorry, I can't accept their EULA.
Grow up.
And an optical drive.
Why not demand an 8" floppy drive while you're at it?
And standard hard disk and ram
Nothing nonstandard about the RAM. As for a "standard hard disk", screw that, I'm loving the SSD.
And a keyboard that is usable
Somehow I'm managing to type this on mine.
And a real mouse.
Nothing stops you from plugging in whatever you want. Trackpad works fine for me.
There are a number of projected aspect ratios. 2.35:1 is one, but there are others.
Meh. I was offered a job at google but turned it down. Although the raw number is more than I make now, it would have been a pretty severe pay cut when you factor in the cost of living.
Why would a change in employer affect cost of living?
It totally blows my mind that they moved from a design like the 4s to one that's actually *painted*, like something from the 70's.
The issue is lights being aimed forward instead of at the road.
Sure, maybe those rotating platters are ok in some NAS box that you keep your big media files on (or in that cloud storage cluster you use, and where the network latencies make the disk latencies be secondary), but in an actual computer? Ugh. "Get thee behind me, Satan".
So, Linus, what exactly do you think that NAS box and the cloud storage cluster are running? The pathetic state of storage management in Linux is the single biggest issue I have with it. Run ZFS systems for a while, enjoy the integration of devices, volumes, and filesystems.. Then go look at MD/LVM and the limits of ext4 and it's sad, really sad, enough that I'm reluctantly using HBA RAID instead. I lose the ability to mirror across HBA's for fault tolerance, but at least operations don't take a zillion fiddly steps.
I agree that CrashPlan's terms are somewhat more agreeable, that's why I picked them over BackBlaze. Both are fine services though. The GP, though -- presuming that photography is his/her business and not just a rabbit-hole hobby like it is for me, $189 is entirely reasonable compared to the time/hassle described, especially since it would be a business expense that you'd write off on taxes.
This is pretty much how the humans are directing their own future.
I put Red Hat on a desktop system a handful of years ago. It was a neverending nightmare trying to get everything to work, and I gave up when CERT contacted me because it had been pwnd.
>Obviously the best option is to run Linux. HAHAHHA that's a good one. I want to use my laptop to get stuff done. Spending hours every week adminning the thing would be counter to that goal. >MacPorts is for those who want to use OSX, but also want to run some other more 'mainstream' software such as photoshop Huh? Photoshop is a native OSX application. >granted, those who use both photoshop and needing Unix server administrative tools are rare (an often no good at either task), but they are out there. ^photoshop^Lightroom and I venture that I'm good at the latter and passable at the former. I want a system that mostly Just Works, that runs a handful of off-the-shelf applications that I need, and that readily lets me do my paying job. OSX fits the bill, no Linux distribution does.
Hence me writing X4*** not X4?00. Eg. the X4270m3 (which they suddenly started calling something else) uses Intel, the X4100/X4200/X4600 {,m2} systems were AMD. It makes sense for them to stick with one or the other. HP still has a number of AMD variants, maybe they have customers who care.