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Curiosity Spies Unidentified, Metallic Object On Mars

MrSeb writes "A few hundred million miles away on the surface of the Red Planet, Mars rover Curiosity has photographed an unidentified, shiny, metallic object. Now, before you get too excited, the most likely explanation is that bright object is part of the rover that has fallen off — or perhaps some debris from MSL Curiosity's landing on Mars, nine weeks ago. There is the distinct possibility, however, that this object is actually native to Mars, which would be far more exciting. It could be the tip of a larger object, or perhaps some kind of exotic, metallic Martian pebble (a piece of metal ore, perhaps). Close-up imagery will now be captured and analyzed, and within the next few days we should know if it's simply a piece of Curiosity — or something a whole lot more exciting."

396 comments

  1. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Call me a cynic, but even if the entire planet was made of solid gold, it still wouldn't make it economically feasible to go there.

    A puddle of water there would be way more valuable.

    1. Re:Wow by Jeng · · Score: 2

      The only reason we would go to Mars before we can live there is if we found life.

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    2. Re:Wow by Phics · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the entire planet was made of solid gold, it would make it an economic disaster to go there.

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    3. Re:Wow by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're not a cynic, you're just bad at reading. No one's suggesting it's something worth mining today. The second sentence points out that it's probably a bit of the rover.

    4. Re:Wow by xtal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Massive gold deposits would make settlement there easier, but not for economic reasons. Gold is easily alloyed and makes a great material for all sorts of things. Like electric machinery, needed to process ore, water, ventilation, etc.

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    5. Re:Wow by Jeng · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gold is easily alloyed and makes a great material for all sorts of things.

      Radiation shielding.

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    6. Re:Wow by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Nope, it would go from Drill Baby Drill!! To Launch Baby Launch!!

      (sarcasm) I mean, look at all the gold up there, we can balance our national debt, hell we can buy the world! Everyone will be rich, no one won't have gold so how can people be poor if they have gold? (/sarcasm)

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    7. Re:Wow by ByOhTek · · Score: 2

      And if it's that easy to find, thick walled non-corroding structures for holding in your wonderful, glorious, beautiful O2...

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    8. Re:Wow by jythie · · Score: 1

      Heh. Now if they found oil......

      Not as outlandish as it initially sounds, there is at least one model for oil/natural gas that could explain its creation based of geological processes rather then biological material breaking down, so both Mars and Venus would have their own deposits.

    9. Re:Wow by Jeng · · Score: 1

      I don't suppose the orbiter would be capable of spotting tar seeps or anything along those lines on the surface of Mars?

      I know small amounts of methane are in the atmosphere which does bring up some questions.

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    10. Re:Wow by ski9826 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      No more moronic than supporters of any other party and most likely less moronic. What's wrong with supporting the idea of smaller government? It's one of the concepts that this country was founded upon.

    11. Re:Wow by CubicleZombie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I mean, look at all the gold up there, we can balance our national debt, hell we can buy the world! Everyone will be rich, no one won't have gold so how can people be poor if they have gold? (/sarcasm)

      Who needs a planet full of gold when we have the Federal Reserve?

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    12. Re:Wow by PPH · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It has happened before: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Empire

      Matters began to change in the 1520s with the large-scale extraction of silver from the rich deposits of Mexico's Guanajuato region, but it was the opening of the silver mines in Mexico's Zacatecas and Bolivia's Potosi in 1546 that became legendary. During the 16th century, Spain held the equivalent of US$1.5 trillion (1990 terms) in gold and silver received from New Spain. Ultimately, however, these imports diverted investment away from other forms of industry and contributed to inflation in Spain in the last decades of the 16th century

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    13. Re:Wow by icebike · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The only reason we would go to Mars before we can live there is if we found life.

      Or to seed life.

      Just sayin...
      Sooner or later, even if we find primitive life, we should start thinking about what can be done with the planet, even if it takes 1000 years to
      get something to live there.

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    14. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Translation: I only attack strawmen because I know I adamantly refuse to understand the thing I want to argue against.

    15. Re:Wow by Jeng · · Score: 1

      But the ........... wait a a second, I ain't falling for that one.

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    16. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saturn's moon Titan is covered in liquid hydrocarbons.

    17. Re:Wow by Jeng · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Lets say we went and put a killer whale on the moon, err Mars. For how long do you think the bacteria would be able to live on the corpse?

      Do you think the bacteria would have time to evolve to be able to spread beyond the corpse before their initial food supply was depleted?

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    18. Re:Wow by osu-neko · · Score: 2

      If the entire planet was made of solid gold, it would make it an economic disaster to go there.

      News flash: gold is just a commodity. If the price of gold goes down, the major economic effect of this is... it gets cheaper to make things out of gold. It has no more serious economic effect than the discovery of an abundances of any other useful mineral.

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    19. Re:Wow by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      I find the 'manifest destiny' idea that we HAVE to terraform Mars a bit funny.

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    20. Re:Wow by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      This makes me incredibly sad.

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    21. Re:Wow by dpilot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's not part of next quarter's profits, nor within the tenure of any currently elected politician.

      Forget it.

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    22. Re:Wow by dpilot · · Score: 1

      Makes you wish someone would do a feasibility study of He3 power. That would get us to the moon, FAST!

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    23. Re:Wow by cdp0 · · Score: 0

      Sooner or later, even if we find primitive life, we should start thinking about what can be done with the planet, even if it takes 1000 years to get something to live there.

      Let's first decide what we do with this planet for the next 100 (one hundred) years. So far we seem to be incapable of doing that.

    24. Re:Wow by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      If the entire planet was made of solid gold, it would make it an economic disaster to go there.

      Make that more of a tragedy, since:

      A) Gold is an incredibly useful industrial metal

      and

      B) The recovery costs would greatly exceed its worth in... nevermind (sometimes I don't know I even bother!). :p

    25. Re:Wow by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      I don't know I even bother

      Well, maybe that, too...

    26. Re:Wow by skuzzlebutt · · Score: 4, Funny

      In honor of Columbus Day. We'll bring whisky and typhus.

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    27. Re:Wow by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's not part of next quarter's profits, nor within the tenure of any currently elected politician.

      Forget it.

      Neither is the robot that found it, and yet there it is. For fuck's sake, there is such a thing as being too cynical.

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    28. Re:Wow by t4ng* · · Score: 2

      Especially since any atmosphere created for terraforming purposes would be ripped off by solar winds in short order due to the lack of a significant magnetosphere.

    29. Re:Wow by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      How much do you think a relatively slow pace of innovation, the lack of a democratic government, and near-continuous wars contributed to inflation?

    30. Re:Wow by Robert+Zenz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, we still have more whales, right?

    31. Re:Wow by rednip · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What's wrong with supporting the idea of smaller government? It's one of the concepts that this country was founded upon.

      Huh? The role of the federal government is an argument that we've been having since the first days of the Washington Administration, that libertarians consistently claim that our country was founded on the idea of 'smaller government' is indicative of just how poorly they understand American history. In fact the constitution itself was a second try because the Articles of Confederation proved too weak; the whole idea of it was for the Constitution to grow as needed. Why is it that the ones who are calling for the most radical changes call themselves 'conservative'?

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    32. Re:Wow by SternisheFan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I find the 'manifest destiny' idea that we HAVE to terraform Mars a bit funny.

      To my thinking, Mars, the Moon and the asteroids that can be mined are all there just waiting for us to use eventually. It just seems to me to be almost too "pat". As if it were a 'set-up', just waiting for us life-forms to be lulled into the solar system's evil venus-fly trap!

      I don't know if I fully trust our galaxy either. :)

    33. Re:Wow by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Sooner or later, even if we find primitive life, we should start thinking about what can be done with the planet, even if it takes 1000 years to get something to live there.

      It wouldn't. The main problem is the lack of liquid water, the second problem is the low atmospheric pressure, and the third is the low level of sunlight. A couple of ice asteroids would take care of the lack of water and atmosphere at the same time; after that, the question is how to prevent the newfound water from being stripped away by solar wind. While it would take millenias to happen, you can't exactly keep on asteroid bombing an inhabited planet and expect it to remain inhabited. So, Mars is habitable in a reasonable short time; but for long-term habitability, we would need some way to restart its core and magnetic field.

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    34. Re:Wow by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      This makes me incredibly sad.

      Ah, hoarding gold, I presume!

    35. Re:Wow by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Then you bury it.

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    36. Re:Wow by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Unless the asteroids also magically starts the core of the planet spinning, you won't have much atmosphere.

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    37. Re:Wow by NEDHead · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Which raises an interesting question:

      What would be an optimal design for an artificial magnetic field for Mars that would provide the equivalent protection that we enjoy on Earth? Assuming superconducting cables, what location(s) would be suitable; what currents would be required; what danger zones would be created; and what would be the annual energy cost?

    38. Re:Wow by lightknight · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, because wanting a smaller, less leviathonic government == wanting slavery. Thanks.

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    39. Re:Wow by geekoid · · Score: 1

      drinking and breathing..oh wait.

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    40. Re:Wow by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

      Do you think the bacteria would have time to evolve to be able to spread beyond the corpse before their initial food supply was depleted?

      Seems like they'd evolve to more efficiently eat the whale, and then be screwed when it was gone.

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    41. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      Deliberately misunderstanding him? No, his "along with slavery" comment makes much more sense when viewed in the context of the very last thing in it's parent post: "It's one of the concepts that this country was founded upon."

      No == was implied.

    42. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you list any Libertarian success stories in known history? Didn't think so.

    43. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Much like how the people Jesus was rebelling against were those who considered themselves the most pious. If Jesus was alive today he would be against the american conservative movement, those holier than thou fucks need to pull their heads out of their ass and love thy neighbor.

    44. Re:Wow by ajlitt · · Score: 1

      1) Build robot mining and material return system
      2) Create human clones in suspended animation to manage the robots
      3) Fling clones and robots at Mars
      4) Nothing goes wrong
      5) Profit!

    45. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necessarily. If it takes long enough to reach "peak whale" there may be several species of bacteria evolved to use alternate energy sources such as eating other bacteria or photosynthesis in that time. At that point you might get something approaching a local ecosystem which could spread.

      It's probably a long shot though. I'm not an ecologist, but I suspect you'd need more than a single whale too bootstrap an ecosystem on an otherwise inhospitable planet.

    46. Re:Wow by englishknnigits · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The terms liberal and conservative are almost completely meaningless today. People think liberal is a synonym for Democrat and conservative is a synonym for Republican and misuse those terms accordingly.

      Arguing that the Constitution was designed to grow as needed is almost entirely unrelated to whether or not they thought we should have a small government. They certainly thought we should have a federal government that was restrained by the constitution and its amendments. The idea was to enumerate the powers of the federal government in the Constitution. If we wanted to expand those powers, we would have to amend the constitution through an intentionally difficult process where a super majority of states agree with the change. As of right now, neither Democrats nor Republicans respect limitations imposed on the federal government by the Constitution. They think "if 51% of people want it, we can do it!" which is little more than mob rule. This isn't exactly new but I do think it has steadily been getting worse.

    47. Re:Wow by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 2

      its worth in labor.

      All currency is just a way to value a certain amount of work.

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    48. Re:Wow by bjohnso5 · · Score: 1

      Hollywood would have us believe a magic sonic drill train and a couple of nuclear weapons would fit the bill nicely. Long-term planning at it's finest.

    49. Re:Wow by AAWood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The two tasks aren't mutually exclusive. There is a logical fallacy in thinking that scientists can be taken as one entire group who should all focus research on a handful of "important things". The people with the expertise of how we could theoretically travel to other planets and make that habital environments in a millenium (30 generations?) are not, for the most part, the same people with the expertise of how best to steer society on a global scale to make best use of this planet over the next century (3 generations), and I daresay if each group focuses on their area of expertise, they'll both make advances that aid the other along the way.

    50. Re:Wow by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      The real trick though...

      If it's NOT from the rover, and not from one of our past vehicles... just what is it from?

      Though lets be honest - it looks to me like a bolt fell point-down into the dirt/sand. It's going to be... interesting... determining where it fell from, if it is from the rover.

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    51. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If the entire planet was made of solid gold, it would make it an economic disaster to go there."

      Right, Europe should have left the New World and the American Indians alone. Never mind human rights, it made economic sense!

    52. Re:Wow by KingSkippus · · Score: 1

      That's what experiments like the Biosphere are for, to test the feasibility of completely self-contained self-sustaining miniature ecosystems. If you just sent up some bacteria and a whale, you might be right. But if you sent up some plants that can live in the thin atmosphere and photosynthesize the sunlight there and add in some bacteria that can digest the dead plant matter and release nutrients that the plants can use as food, then within a few centuries, you might have a jungle. At that point, you might be able to send up other lifeforms that can live and thrive in the new ecosystem without destroying it. Keep iterating this process, and the planet might just be habitable to us in some not-insurmountable period of time. Even if not, who knows, it might be more conducive to using for various resources.

    53. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just plain wrong, because a significant number of people and countries have chosen to store their wealth in gold. See http://www.businessinsider.com/countries-with-large-gold-reserves-2012-10?op=1#ixzz28hmvjCBa A drastic change in the scarcity of gold would have major economic repercussions.

    54. Re:Wow by newcastlejon · · Score: 5, Funny

      For fuck's sake, there is such a thing as being too cynical.

      I doubt that.

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    55. Re:Wow by PPH · · Score: 1

      Cause and effect: Are you sure that inflation didn't kill off innovation? And the influx of gold/silver prolong the non democratic (theocratic) government?

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    56. Re:Wow by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Funny

      there is at least one model for oil/natural gas that could explain its creation based of geological processes rather then biological material breaking down

      There is at least one model for child birth that involves avian delivery.

    57. Re:Wow by AK+Marc · · Score: 1, Funny

      If bad Sci-Fi tought me anything, it's that you just launch a few nukes into the core and it'll start turning. So, nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

    58. Re:Wow by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      But libertarians don't want a smaller government, they want a government that does what they want, and no more, just like everyone else. They are, in practice, no different, other than a hight smug index.

      Ask a libertarian whether they'd like to pay $10 for Head Start now, or $15 later for "social costs" that would have been avoided if the $10 was spent now. They'd rather have the larger and more expensive government, every time, from the responses I've gotten so far from libertarians.

    59. Re:Wow by DigiTechGuy · · Score: 0

      There is not a single libertarian who supports or endorses slavery. Libertarians are against anything that violates the rights of others. I would hope we can all agree slavery is a violation of the slave's rights, so it should be clear that libertarians wholeheartedly oppose slavery.

    60. Re:Wow by TWX · · Score: 1

      I donno, are we including a bowl of petunias as well?

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    61. Re:Wow by TWX · · Score: 1

      I thought that you just had to push that weird button thingie and then the atmosphere and core would spontaneously appear, quickly enough to keep everyone alive...

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    62. Re:Wow by TWX · · Score: 1

      Sounds to me like you've been watching too many Sam Rockwell movies...

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    63. Re:Wow by Robotbeat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, you're exactly correct. Investing enormous resources into digging a shiny metal out of the ground (which is mostly used for investment purposes, not for industrial uses) is a waste of resources. It's far better to use those resources and build better infrastructure than something that just sits in a vault and is never used productively. A central bank is much more efficient, also, because they can control the money supply, theoretically evening out the business cycle (though there are limits to this as we've seen recently... the rates can't really go below zero, so the ability to counter-act a huge decline in aggregate demand is limited).

      Macroeconomics and monetary policy... learn it! I mean, End the Fed! Woo, Ayn Rand! Gold!

      (and no, I'm not talking about unlimited monetary policy... MMT is not accurate. Deficits do matter, though not quite as much if your country controls its own currency... Going to a gold standard means you lose control over your country's currency and you may end up suffering the downward austerity spiral of countries like Spain who no longer control their currency... Versus the recovering Iceland, who do control their own currency in spite of an epic financial crisis.)

      (FWIW, we probably should nationalize the Fed one of these days.)

    64. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we'll bring back the martian equivalent of syphilis and tobacco?

    65. Re:Wow by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      That's because gold is so heavy!

    66. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smaller government didn't oppose slavery though. Smaller government and individual property holders' rights were used to argue for slavery. It was economically justified, freeing slaves would ruin so many people's livelihood.

      In the same way, libertarians focusing on the rights of a privileged few forget that government has a duty to protect the rights of the helpless and vulnerable.

    67. Re:Wow by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's not how evolution works. Evolution is not a response to environmental stimuli. It happens all the time, randomly, and sometimes it benefits the lifeform and other times it doesn't.

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    68. Re:Wow by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      first we have to build a colony there with inadequate radiation shielding, get some mutants and a civil war going. And the button was only found because of the large mining operation.

    69. Re:Wow by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm not an ecologist, but I suspect you'd need more than a single whale too bootstrap an ecosystem on an otherwise inhospitable planet.

      I'll see your whale and raise you a bowl of petunias. Is that enough?

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    70. Re:Wow by _4rp4n3t · · Score: 2

      That's only half the story though. Individual mutations that lead to more successful traits make that particular organism more likely to survive, procreate and pass on the successful trait, thus changing the species over time. So while they would specifically mutate to more efficiently eat the whale, those that mutated to be more efficient consumers ouwld survive better, and so - evolution.

    71. Re:Wow by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      That -is- an interesting question. And one I would like to know the answer to. Things done on astronomical scales tend to be prohibitively expensive, but Earth's magnetic field is pretty weak as it is. Maybe it's plausible enough to look into.

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    72. Re:Wow by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      I think you have a typo there, they would not specifically mutate to eat the whale. That's what I was responding to, the thought that if you present an organism with a challenge that they will naturally evolve to meet the challenge. They'll evolve anyway, with whatever mutations happen, and those that happen to survive and pass it on will propagate their new traits (even if the traits don't help them, or even harm them).

      those that mutated to be more efficient consumers ouwld survive better, and so - evolution.

      That's not necessarily true - they might survive better, but it could also be the case that the wasteful gluttons exhaust the food source before they have a chance.

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    73. Re:Wow by _4rp4n3t · · Score: 2

      Good catch on the typo - I did of course mean not specifically evolve. And I agree, those wasteful gluttons could well exhaust their natural resources early, thus prematurely ending an otherwise successful ecosystem....wait a minute!

    74. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds like we've found a great place to dump our toxic/nuclear waste and violent criminals...and terraform at the same time!

    75. Re:Wow by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Actually I was referencing this.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Willzyx

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    76. Re:Wow by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Evolution is not a response to environmental stimuli.

      It is, because evolution is the shift in allele frequencies in a population, not just an individual, and those will be dictated by the combination of the random changes in individuals and natural selection, i.e. the fitness of those changes in a given environment.

      Bacteria that are better at eating whale will tend to out compete the ones that are not, so the population of bacteria as a whole will tend to shift in that direction. If you picked bacteria that were already well suited for the environment given perhaps not much would change, but environmental pressure drives evolution make no mistake about it.

      Of course it's a random walk, and , but natural selection means not all steps are equally favored.

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    77. Re:Wow by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      And I agree, those wasteful gluttons could well exhaust their natural resources early

      This is exactly what I was saying would happen -- in an environment with lots of whale meat, natural selection would favor those who efficiently (perhaps "effectively" would be clearer) ate the whale, resulting in rapid extinction when the food source ran out.

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    78. Re:Wow by bbecker23 · · Score: 1

      Somalia? You have to admit, they're Libertarian as fuck!

      Oh, you meant success like... ah.... nevermind.

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    79. Re:Wow by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the entire planet was made of solid gold... It would cause the planet to have such a high mass as to make it impossible to attain escape velocity and return with it.

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    80. Re:Wow by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of feasibility studies already done, and published for anyone that looks for them. It is not feasible.

      We are still strugling with H isotopoes, that are much, much, much easier to work with than He. They are still not feasible either. Also, as soon as we make power from H isotopes feasible, He won't be needed for a very long time.

    81. Re:Wow by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Slow peace of innovation was the normal situation of the tose times, in fact, the hyperinflation period saw a much faster peace of innovation than any period prior to it (also something normal). The lack of democratic government, well, those were praticaly invented after the fact, so there is no way you can attribute any change to it.

      We are left with the endless wars. I can't really rule them out.

    82. Re:Wow by dpilot · · Score: 1

      I thought I read somewhere that He3 fusion was simpler - assuming you had a supply of He3.

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    83. Re:Wow by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      I thought that you just had to push that weird button thingie and then the atmosphere and core would spontaneously appear, quickly enough to keep everyone alive...

      Only with the right number of fingers.

      And if Ronnie Cox gets tossed out before the atmosphere thickens up enough.

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    84. Re:Wow by gmhowell · · Score: 3, Funny

      It would shut the Libertarians up once and for all.

      If there were enough energy in the universe to do that, we'd have trivial faster than c travel.

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    85. Re:Wow by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Cell phone 'industry' in Somalia is usually what they point to.

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    86. Re:Wow by NEDHead · · Score: 1

      Perhaps we should set up a Magnetize Mars Foundation wiki and see if it is feasible. Followed naturally by a Kickstarter project.

      Seriously, it would be an interesting exercise. My dad, many years ago, did the earth/soil model for the area where they placed the low frequency antenna to communicate with subs (Michigan, I believe). They needed to assure both the functionality of the antenna and make sure there was a low enough voltage gradient at the surface (buried installation) so the random animals walking by would not be electrocuted. I would guess we could start with a simple model for Mars, and get a good ballpark design.

    87. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially since any atmosphere created for terraforming purposes would be ripped off by solar winds in short order due to the lack of a significant magnetosphere.

      Where do you get that idea?

      As far as I know we don't have accurate measurement of the rate of atmospheric erosion for Mars

      This page says solar wind could account for MOST of Martian atmosphere loss over 4 billion years.

      http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2001/ast31jan_1/

      If Mars started with Earth atmospheric pressure 4 billion years ago and is now .006 Earth pressure
      and assuming exponetial loss that gives a half life of around 543 million years.

    88. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reality is we can have both. Enjoy your big government paradise...

    89. Re:Wow by gumbi+west · · Score: 1

      Even if there were bricks of gold sitting on the surface of the moon, it would not be cost effective to go get them. It's very far from pat.

    90. Re:Wow by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

      "Short order" is still a few hundred million years.

      If we're capable of creating an atmosphere via terraforming, we are easily capable of replacing losses over that type of timescale.

    91. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, we still have more whales, right?

      Yeah, but we really ought to keep a few around just in case some crazy probe comes around someday wanting to strike up a conversation with 'em

    92. Re:Wow by Stoutlimb · · Score: 1

      How right you are. I have no doubt certain terrestrial soil organisms would do just fine if they were transplanted to Mars.

    93. Re:Wow by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

      Sooner or later, even if we find primitive life, we should start thinking about what can be done with the planet, even if it takes 1000 years to get something to live there.

      It wouldn't. The main problem is the lack of liquid water, the second problem is the low atmospheric pressure, and the third is the low level of sunlight. A couple of ice asteroids would take care of the lack of water and atmosphere at the same time; after that, the question is how to prevent the newfound water from being stripped away by solar wind. While it would take millenias to happen, you can't exactly keep on asteroid bombing an inhabited planet and expect it to remain inhabited. So, Mars is habitable in a reasonable short time; but for long-term habitability, we would need some way to restart its core and magnetic field.

      Realistically Mars is a poor choice for terraforming because of it's atmosphere and sunlight. A far better choice is Venus, which has similar dimensions, mass and gravity as Earth, and is clearly capable of maintaining an atmosphere (it's single biggest problem at the moment). It's slightly closer to the sun, but not significantly - it's current surface temperature is entirely due to it's runaway greenhouse effect.

      The atmosphere on Venus, terraforming wise, is almost certainly something we can work with and is mostly carbon dioxide. If we could add enough water to the planet to form major oceans, and maybe in the process shear some of the atmosphere off into space from the comet impacts we use to do it, then chances are we'd end up with an environment which Earth microbes could thrive in - and convert that CO2 into a breathable oxygen atmosphere, and breakdown the acidic environment.

    94. Re:Wow by khallow · · Score: 1

      the rates can't really go below zero

      Sure, they could. Quantitative easing is just a moderately controlled way of doing that.

    95. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does that have anything to do with what I said? No.

      You have admitted that I am absolutely correct. You will now do it again.

    96. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somalia? You have to admit, they're Libertarian as fuck!

      Nobody has to admit it, because it isn't true. And you don't believe that it is. You are lying.

      And no, I'm not a Libertarian myself. And yes, that is what you were going to say.

      Now shriek your inadvertent confession to being a lying piece of shit. It's your only possible response.

    97. Re:Wow by Evtim · · Score: 2

      "No matter how cynical you get, it is impossible to keep up."

      Lily Tomlin

    98. Re:Wow by funwithBSD · · Score: 3, Funny

      Whale Uplift: U r doing it wrong.

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    99. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, that sounds awfully familiar...

    100. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then we could have whalers on the moon, and prove Fry wrong.

    101. Re:Wow by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      A ballpark on Mars is an excellent idea.

      If you built it, they will come.

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    102. Re:Wow by someone1234 · · Score: 1

      If there is just one mutation that allows switching from whale meat to "undisclosed other nutrient", then some bacteria will switch.
      After the mass extinction event, those will thrive in their changed for optimal environment.

      If there was no such mutation, then the whole question was moot.

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    103. Re:Wow by cusco · · Score: 1

      It would be cost effective for a population living there to use it.

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    104. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, no it wasn't. Slavery was an institution in some states, but not the entire nation. Furthermore, the actual national founding document, the Constitution, takes steps to weaken slavery where it existed. That is why slaves are counted as 6/10th a person - so slaves do not earn full credit for political representation.

    105. Re:Wow by cmarkn · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but first you have to build the cornfield.

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    106. Re:Wow by cmarkn · · Score: 1

      You may be on to something here. The Giant impact hypothesis remelted a good part of Earth and splashed off the Moon. Instead of a bunch of little watery asteroids, bash it with one big enough to liquify the parts that have cooled and seized up.

      Yes, this requires really long-term planning.

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    107. Re:Wow by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      If Jesus was alive today he would be against the american conservative movement, those holier than thou fucks need to pull their heads out of their ass and love thy neighbor.

      Irony - does it get better than this?

      Here are a few topical verses:

      One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “What commandment is the foremost of all?” Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.’ “The second is this, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” The scribe said to Him, “Right, Teacher; You have truly stated that HE IS ONE, AND THERE IS NO ONE ELSE BESIDES HIM; AND TO LOVE HIM WITH ALL THE HEART AND WITH ALL THE UNDERSTANDING AND WITH ALL THE STRENGTH, AND TO LOVE ONE’S NEIGHBOR AS HIMSELF, is much more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” When Jesus saw that he had answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” -- Mark 12:28-34

      You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ “But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. -- Matthew 5:43-45

      “Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? “Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother’s eye. --- Luke 6:41-42

      For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example, because we did not act in an undisciplined manner among you, nor did we eat anyone’s bread without paying for it, but with labor and hardship we kept working night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you; not because we do not have the right to this, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you, so that you would follow our example. For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies. -- 2 Thessalonians 3:7-11

      The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court, they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. “Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?” They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. Straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where ar

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    108. Re:Wow by cmarkn · · Score: 1

      Then where did all the methane and ethane on Titan come from? Do you think there were dinosaurs living there millions of year ago to get smooshed? and were they also living in deep space so they could be formed into the giant clouds of methane in interstellar space?

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    109. Re:Wow by cmarkn · · Score: 1
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    110. Re:Wow by cmarkn · · Score: 1

      No it wouldn't. Escape velocity is a function of the planet's mass; density is irrelevant.

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    111. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in America, in America... conservative vs liberal is still retaining meaning elsewhere

    112. Re:Wow by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      From the link: "Updated: NASAâ(TM)s initial assessment is that the object is in fact a piece of plastic that has fallen off Curiosity. Further analysis will be performed before a final judgment is made."

      Sorry to burst your bubble, guys.

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    113. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recommend a blue whale. 2 if PETA are within sight.
      That should last much longer.

    114. Re:Wow by sFurbo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Mass and the distance of the surface from the center, so a higher density would make the escape velocity higher. Mars' density is around 4, gold has a density around 20, so assuming no pressure effects and constant mass, the volume will go down by a factor of 4, so the radius will decrease by 37%. The escape velocity is proportional to the square root of the inverse of the radius, so it will go up with 60%.

      Assuming constant radius, the mass will go up with a factor of four, and as the escape velocity is proportional to the square root of the mass, the escape velocity will end up around Earths present escape velocity.

    115. Re:Wow by stiggle · · Score: 1

      The only reason NOT to go to Mars before we can live there is if we found life.

      Best way the screw over any life we found would be to turn up and start living there too.

    116. Re:Wow by dpilot · · Score: 1

      Sometimes snark is a defense mechanism against becoming too cynical. Really, the difference is whether or not you've completely given up. I haven't.

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    117. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's mutation. Evolution is mutation combined with the ones that were helped (or merely not hindered too much) by the mutations surviving and reproducing.

    118. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get it, you're a "the glass is 6/10 full, not 4/10 empty" kind of guy, but if you read that again you will see that the Constitution in its original form spells out an acceptance of the idea that slaves are not real persons. And the Constitution is a document which must be considered when discussing which principles the country was founded upon.

    119. Re:Wow by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Do you think there were dinosaurs living there millions of year ago to get smooshed?

      That's one model.

    120. Re:Wow by aaronjp · · Score: 1

      I don't think "peace" means, what you think it means.

    121. Re:Wow by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Bacteria that are better at eating whale will tend to out compete the ones that are not, so the population of bacteria as a whole will tend to shift in that direction.

      That's basically true, but that depends on what "better" means. First you said "more efficiently", which I disagree with. They aren't going to necessarily evolve in a direction that prolongs the food source. It could also be the case that the organisms that succeed are the wasteful ones, the ones who eat twice as much as the normal ones and in turn reproduce 1.5 times as much. The ones who eat .5 what the normal ones do and who reproduce .75 as often (more efficient) are going to be crowded out.

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    122. Re:Wow by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      That's basically true, but that depends on what "better" means. First you said "more efficiently", which I disagree with. They aren't going to necessarily evolve in a direction that prolongs the food source.

      I meant efficient in time, not in resource consumption. As in efficiently accomplishing the task of consuming the whale, thereby consuming more than other bacteria and thus out-competing them. "Effectively" would have probably been a less confusing choice of words.

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    123. Re:Wow by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      If there is such a mutation, and the bacteria that has it ends up on the regolith instead of on the whale where such a mutation would be of no benefit and in fact detrimental if it hinders consumption of whale flesh relative to competitors -- or I guess if the alternate food source is calcium and it ends up in a bone. How does that even work, I don't know, but for the sake of argument why not.

      It's possible, but I'm just guessing that it's not going to be very likely, and you'll probably just see them all die when the food source went away. That's usually what happens in situations like this on earth. You need a fair amount of time where both the old and new food sources are present to give a chance for the new food source to be exploited.

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    124. Re:Wow by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is, my choices are the evil libertarians, who want to take all the money in the name of freedom, thus making me downtrodden; or the good helpful large government, who wants to take all the money in the name of helping the downtrodden, thus making me downtrodden.

      Gee, thanks.

    125. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at the price of gold. Now look at the price of getting to Mars. Never mind gold, silver in decent quantities is the apparently the actual point at which things start looking feasible.

    126. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (FWIW, we probably should nationalize the Fed one of these days.)

      Yes, and spend money into existence rather than lending it.

    127. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but what about Oil?
      Drill, baby drill...

    128. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't forget that language is everchanging and either devolving or evolving so what constitutes "liberal" or "conservative" will and has varied over time, place, culture, social class etc. Even in the usa from place to place the meanings are different in terms of common useage Not to mention from how they are defined in Australia and the UK, etc.

    129. Re:Wow by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      This is pretty much how the humans are directing their own future.

    130. Re:Wow by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      The more protons and less neutrons you have on your nuclei, the harder it is to fuse them.
      The easiest reaction of all is: D + T -> He3 + n.

    131. Re:Wow by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Actually, if we could get such an abundant source of gold that it would become a commodity, it would be pretty damn useful - as I understand, its properties make it a perfect material for many kinds of electronics, and the only reason why we don't use it there in copious amounts is because of its high price (which, as you note, is high because it's used for investment purposes).

    132. Re:Wow by cavebison · · Score: 1

      Everyone's an opportunist.

    133. Re:Wow by shiftless · · Score: 0

      Save this comment. In 10 years you'll have a laugh about how laughably wrong you are.

    134. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a big difference between the random mutation of the individual, and the averaged-out evolution of a large population, millions of bacteria in this case. They can indeed evolve to be more efficient at utilizing this resource.

      But immediate survival is the only feedback, so Chris was right that they'd adapt to the whale-environment but that would not help with Mars as a whole.

    135. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? Why would we not make the Universe more habitable for humans? What's the use of an entire planet with a CO2 atmosphere? It does no one a bit of good to have a poisonous, dead planet. Just absurd to do nothing if we can spread the web of life.

      Please go stick your head in the sand while you laugh.

    136. Re:Wow by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      I think that you mean "convecting", not "spinning". The core stopping spinning is Hollywood scriptwriter drivel ; magnetic fields being generated by magnetohydrodynamic self-stimulating dynamos is (reasonably well established) science.

      (There have been degrees of success (not 100%, but significant) with experiments using spinning globes of molten metal (sodium!) to try to replicate the self-stimulating dynamo hypothesis, but the physics seems to be more complicated than theorised, and work is continuing.)

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    137. Re:Wow by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      A couple of ice asteroids would take care of the lack of water and atmosphere at the same time

      I'd have to do some maths to quantify "a couple", but there's another issue : the topography of Mars. The entire northern hemisphere (well, slightly less than "hemi-") is at significantly lower altitude than the southern hemisphere. So you'd end up with an ocean a kilometer-or-so deep (depending on how many asteroids) in the north, a relatively narrow littoral zone with a relatively Earth-like hydrological cycle, then the main part of the planet in the south would remain as a high altitude, low air pressure desert.

      Hmmm, big step forward.

      Perhaps it'd be quicker to bring the Magratheans in and just build a planet from scratch.

      OTOH, as a thought-experiment in planetary science, "terraforming Mars" is an interesting project.

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    138. Re:Wow by rednip · · Score: 1
      If enumeration was the idea, why does the 10th Amendment say 'delegated' rather than enumerated as is used elsewhere?

      The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,...

      Delegated is a very broad term, so is 'the general welfare', which is used twice in the original document, but you'all don't like that one either. As there is no constitutional dictated way to add states, every state save the first thirteen should be considered territories directly under federal authority, if 'enumerated' was the law. Also, if you think that you clearly understand the founding fathers intentions, you'd have to ignore the way that the governed, because the ruled using more expansive federal authority than you seem to think they wanted. Lastly, even if we were able to clearly discern 'their intentions' (as if they'd speak with a single mind) thinking that we should govern modern America based based on it is silly in itself.

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    139. Re:Wow by englishknnigits · · Score: 1
      I don't see how the use of the word "delegated" makes it any less clear that the federal government is only to do what is in the Constitution. It says "delegated by the Constitution." Not "by the whims of Congress" or "by 51% of voters" or "by the President". James Madison's statement on the 10th Amendment:

      I find, from looking into the amendments proposed by the State conventions, that several are particularly anxious that it should be declared in the Constitution, that the powers not therein delegated should be reserved to the several States. Perhaps words which may define this more precisely than the whole of the instrument now does, may be considered as superfluous. I admit they may be deemed unnecessary: but there can be no harm in making such a declaration, if gentlemen will allow that the fact is as stated.

      I really don't see how it could be any clearer that the federal government was to be limited to the powers granted in the Constitution.

      As for states, you are either confused or misinformed. Look up Article IV Section 3 of the US constitution. It explicitly gives Congress the power to create states.

      As for general welfare, it is a somewhat contentious topic. Jefferson and Hamilton did have different views on the topic. Jefferson's view (which is generally upheld in courts) is that the general welfare cause in the taxation section of the Constitution just states that Congress can tax to pay for what it can do, not that it can do anything it wants to. Another way to put it, if Congress is authorized to do something, it is also authorized to collect taxes to pay for it. The other mention of general welfare is in the pre-amble of the Constitution and no one cites that as a source of any federal powers.

      As for governing based on what the founders thought, I agree with the sentiment that we shouldn't just do things because we think the founders wanted us to. We do, however, need to abide by the Constitution in whatever way we choose to interpret it. Learning from their insights and perspectives can help us decide what the best way to interpret it may be.

    140. Re:Wow by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Depends on if you're talking about a planet of gold with the same mass as Mars, or a planet of gold with the same dimensions as Mars.

    141. Re:Wow by DirtyLiar · · Score: 1

      A puddle of water there would be way more valuable.

      That puddle would freeze, then evaporate. (Yes, I know it's not really evaporation, it's just out-gassing, but it's close.)

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    142. Re:Wow by rednip · · Score: 1

      I was wrong about the admission of states, and I remember it's source, 'how the states got their shapes' got stuck in my head when they said 'the Constitution doesn't say how to admit a state' (or something like that). I had several conversations like this over the years and I am sorry that I didn't verify a newly formed argument.

      I don't agree with your interpretation of Madison's statement, as you fail to understand that a significant portion of the objection to the Bill of Rights wasn't that we' shouldn't have any rights at a federal level, but that enumerating them at all would be too limiting. People such as yourself have been proving Hamilton right for two hundred years. Can you show me which part of the Constitution allowed George Washington to charter the First Bank of the United States (other than a broad reading of the commerce clause)? Show me which part allows 'judicial review'.

      We do, however, need to abide by the Constitution in whatever way we choose to interpret it.

      OK, more than two hundred years of case law says that I'm right overall, because you'd argue that much of what the feds does is already 'unconstitutional', and I am exactly arguing the opposite (I think).

      Learning from their insights and perspectives can help us decide what the best way to interpret it may be.

      There were more than two founding fathers and none of them agreed with each other anywhere near as well as you seem to think. Saying as you seem to say that 'The Founding Fathers' wanted this or that is ridiculous, which was one of my original assertion. Clearly you know differently, but still you choose to present them as categorically sympathetic to your argument. It's like you think of the term as a brand name, sort of like 'conservative', as not really meaning what it should, but as it works best for your political cause.

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    143. Re:Wow by englishknnigits · · Score: 1
      What's interesting is that Hamilton actually opposed the Bill of Rights for exactly the opposite reason. He didn't want a Bill of Rights because he believed it would imply the federal government could do anything it wanted that was not expressly forbidden in the Bill of Rights. He didn't oppose the Bill of Rights because he thought it was "too limiting."

      I go further, and affirm that bills of rights, in the sense and in the extent in which they are contended for, are not only unnecessary in the proposed constitution, but would even be dangerous. They would contain various exceptions to powers which are not granted; and on this very account, would afford a colorable pretext to claim more than were granted. For why declare that things shall not be done which there is no power to do?

      You are correct that the founding fathers were not all of one mind and that I, and others, cannot divine and invoke their collective will and intents. I will admit that I can come off as that way largely due to my own laziness. However, that doesn't mean we can't come up with some agreed upon generalizations. Let me ask you this, if the federal government was not intended to be bound by the Constitution, then what was the point of writing it in the first place? What was the point of granting any powers in the Constitution (such as the commerce clause) if the federal government could do anything it wanted? Wouldn't listing powers be redundant, pointless, and confusing?

      As for the First Bank of the United States and judicial review. I think it is obvious that we cannot go by the absolute letter of the constitution. Some interpretation is necessary as we are humans and it is written using human language. It isn't black and white. That doesn't mean we can't try to interpret its meaning or that we should throw up our hands because we can't ascertain its precise meaning.

      The First Bank of the United States is a good example of a stretch of the interpretation of the commerce clause. Judicial review was self evident within the Constitution. The judicial branch was clearly given oversight on interpreting laws in context of the Constitution as was discussed and unanimously agreed upon when writing and ratifying the Constitution. The phrase "judicial review" may not have been used but the power was clearly and unarguably implied. Yes, there are implied powers. No, that doesn't mean "every power is implied."

      If the Constitution said "Congress may pass laws regulating jumping", Congress would then be able to write a law that says jumping with one foot should always land on the left foot. They could write that law even though the Constitution didn't expressly enumerate laws concerning jumping on one foot. Jumping is the larger category that encompasses jumping on one foot. Articles III and IV of the Constitution were jumping, "judicial review" is jumping on one foot. The commerce clause is "jumping". The First Bank of the US was argued as "jumping on one foot."

    144. Re:Wow by englishknnigits · · Score: 1

      I re-read the above post and I misinterpreted (yes, a bit ironic) your statement about Hamilton. I read your "too limited" as "too limiting to the federal governments power" whereas now I think you meant "too limiting to peoples rights" which is in line with Hamilton's views. Sorry about that.

      My confusion was between the constitutionally granted powers to the federal government being too limited and the rights granted to people being too limited. I think enumerated powers in the constitution appropriately limits the government. You, and Hamilton, may be correct about enumerating Rights (in the Bill of Rights) as being too limiting to individual rights.

    145. Re:Wow by rednip · · Score: 2

      However, that doesn't mean we can't come up with some agreed upon generalizations.

      Who's the 'we'? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? Does 'we' mean, you and the ditto heads? You and the Ayn Rand fan club? If 'we' is you and me, I'll have to warn you about the most I'm willing to generalize about the founding fathers is that they were white men of respectable backgrounds who were representatives of their states. Also, many of them were lawyers, some of them were slave owners. Otherwise they were a diverse group who fought fiercely over the role and responsibility of government (both federal and state for that matter). Hamilton's Report on Manufactures is very clear about what that founding father intended about the 'general welfare clause'.

      The wikipedia article has this under 'Opposition to the Report':

      Leading opponents of Alexander Hamilton's economic plan included Thomas Jefferson (until later years) and James Madison, who were opposed to the use of subsidy to industry along with most of their fledgling Democratic-Republican Party. Instead of bounties they reasoned in favor of high tariffs and restrictions on imports to increase manufacturing; which interestingly was favored by the manufacturers themselves who desired protection of their home market.[citation needed] Although the Jeffersonian stance originally favored an "agrarian" economy of farmers, this changed over time to encompass many of Hamilton's original ideas,[3] while "the Madison administration helped give rise to the first truly protectionist tariff in U.S. history."[4]

      I bring this up for two reasons, a to show more graphically just how different these founding fathers differed and to infer the idea that Jefferson was all over the map with his opinions. The man who wrote the Declaration of Independence wasn't even invited to the constitutional convention, he did not sign it nor did he participate in its first congressional session, as he was away in Paris as the minister to France and attempting to negotiate an end to various British claims (also 'hanging around' with a married woman, and later his deceased wife's slave half sister). Madison, who had also 'beat out' Jefferson for the all but the preamble of the VA constitution, was largely very quite about 'what he meant' when he wrote it, I researched it once and found only three quotes that mostly seemed to be against a broad interpretation of the 'general welfare clause'. Which might seem to be 'good news' for your cause, but as I remember it one of them basically claimed that it was 'copied over from the Articles of Confederation by accident' (not a direct quote, I'm too lazy too look, but I did once research it well) and all of them weren't statements of policies, but a few lines in private correspondence, after his two terms in the White House. Not exactly the stuff of case law and I believe that he wanted it that way. In fact several thing for which he championed were voted out, including establishment of a national university, export taxes and rules governing national elections, which of course are not exactly the ideas of a extremely limited government.

      Let me ask you this, if the federal government was not intended to be bound by the Constitution, then what was the point of writing it in the first place?

      Huh, I thought what we were talking about how the Constitution was interpreted, why would you ask that leading question?

      It's interesting that even after agreeing with me on much of it, you still insist on making generalities about the framers. I'll note that there were only six people who signed both documents (George Read, Roger Sherman, Benjamin Franklin, Robert Morris, George Clymer, and James Wilson), which further diversified 'the founding fathers'. The people who were at the Constitutional Convention are usually referred to as 'The Framers', which (as

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    146. Re:Wow by englishknnigits · · Score: 1

      What exactly are all of these cases where I'm claiming to know what the founders thought? The only claims I recall (and can find):
      1. the founders thought that the federal government should be bound by the Constitution
      2. we should have to amend the Constitution to expand federal powers beyond what is already described in the Constitution
      3. "bound by the Constitution" means that federal powers are enumerated in the Constitution and the federal government cannot do anything that is not enumerated

      I am making no claims about whether they wanted big government, small government, were all libertarians, were all socialists, or anything of the sort.

      I can't see how anyone can disagree with #1 without thinking writing the majority of the Constitution was pointless. If it doesn't bind the federal government, what does it do?
      If #1 is true, then either #2 is true, they didn't think we should ever expand federal power, or there is some other process we are supposed to follow to expand the Constitution. I've never heard anyone argue for the second two possibilities so this seems to make #2 true.
      For #3, why did they bother enumerating any powers if the intention wasn't to limit Congress to those powers? Why include a commerce clause if it was implied that Congress could do anything it wasn't expressly forbidden to do by the Constitution? I would need to do further research to really claim the founders all agreed on this point in theory. In practice, they did seem to all bend or break this concept. However, it isn't exactly uncommon for someone to believe in a general principle that applies to everyone else and then go and do something that goes entirely against that principle themselves.

      Thanks for the linked reading, will take a look.

    147. Re:Wow by rednip · · Score: 1

      As a programmer, it just seems best to use the most dangerous function ever created for a lazy coder GOTO:41621277, sure that you bushed it off quickly and seem to expect that simply restating your positions time and time again somehow will make them better, but to me at least it doesn't.

      I would need to do further research to really claim the founders all agreed on this point in theory.

      They didn't.

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    148. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're describing mutation, evolution is the product of accumulated mutations in inheritable characteristics of populations over time, influenced by a number of different mechanisms. The strongest of which, natural selection, is a direct response to environmental stimuli.

    149. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's send the irredeemable 1% and their minute minions there so they can wreck the place and never come back.

    150. Re:Wow by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Call me a cynic, but even if the entire planet was made of solid gold, it still wouldn't make it economically feasible to go there.

      A puddle of water there would be way more valuable.

      Exactly! What makes gold valuable is its rarity. If it is no longer rare, then it is no longer valuable. From an industrial point of view, gold is fairly worthless. It can be fashioned into jewellery and dinnerware, but aside from that...

      Water, on the other hand, can help support life. It can be drunk. It can be cracked to produce hydrogen and oxygen, which can be breathed. Water is the basis for a great number of industrial and manufacturing processes. In addition, water can even be used as propellant to take us even further into space.

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    151. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess when I am finally convinced by you of the pointlessness of my gold you'll happily take it off my hands for a fair but reduced price :-)

  2. I'll bet it has writing on it that says by Jailbrekr · · Score: 4, Funny

    RETURN FOR REFUND

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    1. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by what2123 · · Score: 1

      In English no less.

    2. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What language would you prefer?

    3. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by what2123 · · Score: 1

      Galgamex

    4. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Funny

      My Precious.

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    5. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by jo42 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You mean "Made in China"...

    6. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It was written in ancient Sumerian. It says:

      "Global warming is real, so we're gonna try moving to the next planet over."

      It's carbon dated 20,000 years old.

    7. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by sycodon · · Score: 1
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    8. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by JonWan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hello Sweetie

    9. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, no, no. Prothean.

    10. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by BigBen4141 · · Score: 1

      Next stop, everywhere!

    11. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, now that's funny.

    12. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wouldn't you be more likely to find that on Venus?

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    13. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator"

    14. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yawza

    15. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello Darling

    16. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by O-Deka-K · · Score: 1

      4 8 15 16 23 42

    17. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by schlachter · · Score: 4, Funny

      No. We have 3 rovers on Mars. 0 on Venus.

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    18. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hecho en China.

    19. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by DigiTechGuy · · Score: 2

      The Russians have several on Venus.

    20. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I resign! When I begin to see things like this it's time to take up turkey farming."

    21. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by schlachter · · Score: 1

      Don't think Russia has active rovers on any planet...let alone Venus.

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    22. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by bbecker23 · · Score: 1

      The Russian's sent quite a few probes but no rovers. There are some proposals out there for sending a rover, however. Exciting stuff.

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    23. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Russian's sent quite a few probes but no rovers. There are some proposals out there for sending a rover, however. Exciting stuff.

      Because Rover probes you?

    24. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PowerBook G5!!!

    25. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      It would most likely have been covered by the black flap then...

    26. Re:I'll bet it has writing on it that says by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      My first language of course, Georgian, you insensitive clod.

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  3. C'mon man... by WingCmdr · · Score: 1

    It's a spaceship. This is going to be BIG!!!

    1. Re:C'mon man... by zrbyte · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Everything depends on how far down it goes :)

    2. Re:C'mon man... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, it's a (piece of a) spaceship named Curiosity. Seriously, the robot finds a metallic piece of something close to where it landed... what are the odds that part is not from Curiosity itself? (answer ~0%)

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    3. Re:C'mon man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course. But what is the cost to take a high resolution picture of it? ~0.

    4. Re:C'mon man... by tgd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, it's a (piece of a) spaceship named Curiosity. Seriously, the robot finds a metallic piece of something close to where it landed... what are the odds that part is not from Curiosity itself? (answer ~0%)

      Well, its not actually very close to where it landed, at this point. And they've taken quite a few photos of the rover. What'll be interesting is if it IS a part from the rover, how did they not notice it was missing? And how did it come off? Seems more likely it'd be part of the lander, but IIRC, it didn't fly off in that direction.

      I think your zero estimate is far off, if you're talking about Curiosity itself. If you're talking the whole Rube Goldberg contraption that landed it there... well, that may be a fairly low odds its not.

    5. Re:C'mon man... by hoboroadie · · Score: 1

      The head off an exploding bolt, perhaps? I know nothing about NASA hardware nowadays but those were de rigeur in the 60s.

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    6. Re:C'mon man... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Well, we will know in a few days. We will hear an announcement it's Curiosity's hubcap, or maybe a chunk of natural metal curiously unoxydized, or Nasa will announce it has lost contact with Curiosity "mysteriously" and the military's black budget will suddenly octuple.

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    7. Re:C'mon man... by cheesecake23 · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's a (piece of a) spaceship named Curiosity. Seriously, the robot finds a metallic piece of something close to where it landed... what are the odds that part is not from Curiosity itself? (answer ~0%)

      So you're saying Curiosity found a piece of Occam's razor? :)

      I mostly agree with you, but just to play devil's advocate: assuming there actually are interesting chunks of metal lying around on Mars, it isn't exactly a coincidence when they turn up close to Curiosity ...

    8. Re:C'mon man... by cathector · · Score: 1

      also i don't see much ("much" = "anything") in the way of soil disturbance around it,
      which would be surprising even if it had dropped off the rover itself, more so if it were ejecta from the landing.

    9. Re:C'mon man... by cplusplus · · Score: 2

      The thing had to fire several explosive bolts during the decent phase, and presumably some small chunks of debris were scattered over a very large area. My guess is that this is something related to the decent phase.

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    10. Re:C'mon man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying this metallic object is less likely to be alien in nature than the likelihood that you were born out of your mother's asshole?

    11. Re:C'mon man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why didn't they paint rover in green or another color so they would be sure it's not from curiosity itself.

    12. Re:C'mon man... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's from part of the camera.

    13. Re:C'mon man... by cmarkn · · Score: 1

      Because paint has mass, so you'd have to remove something else to bring the vehicle mass back down.

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    14. Re:C'mon man... by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      It's a top corner of a large monolith that will start making a loud piercing noise when humans excavate it and go to take a souvenir photo in front of it, Dave.

  4. "Deliberately Buried" by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    TMA-1

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    1. Re:"Deliberately Buried" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if they would play loud enough to hear in that thin air. Maybe they'll find the rest of the studio buried underneath

    2. Re:"Deliberately Buried" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      TMA-1

      Tycho Magnetic Anomaly 1

      Tycho??

      have you even read the books/seen the film? It would not refer to the metallic object, because it isn't in the tycho crater! honestly!
      RMA-1 is better, because the current place where Curiosity was when it discovered it was rockwell (please correct me if I'm wrong)

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  5. It's simply a piece of Curiosity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's simply a piece of Curiosity.

  6. I left it there. by For+a+Free+Internet · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear NASA: Would you please return it to me? I dropped it there when Iwas playing fetch with my astro-dog but since that vacation in 1982, what with the economy inthe shitter and my extreme insanity and all, Italian conspiracies, etc., etc., I had pretty much given upon retrieving it.

    Please mail my battery-actuated vibrating metal thing object to:

    Bob S.
    445 Gimlet Road
    Cornhole, OH

    Thanks for bringing this find to my attention, Slashdort!

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    1. Re:I left it there. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You actually managed to get a post modded up for once! Congratulations.

    2. Re:I left it there. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Dear NASA,
      'Thank you for finding it for me! Please arrange a two way mission to Mars for me so I can pick it up.

      Thanks.

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    3. Re:I left it there. by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      Deer SIr,
      Please include your zip code so we may send your metal thingie to you.
      Sincerely,
      NASA

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  7. Further proof by Burning1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Proof that many of today's scientists are from the MTV generation:

    "Ooooh! Shiny thing!" :)

    1. Re:Further proof by kiriath · · Score: 1

      Bah! Beat me to it!

    2. Re:Further proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Meh, you can kiss my shiny metal object.

    3. Re:Further proof by invid · · Score: 1

      They probably played Everquest 2. You could make good money collecting shinies.

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    4. Re:Further proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MTV? more likely the toy story generation!!! I bet it turns out that one of the gripper arms has fallen off the rover....

      All Aliens: The clawwwwwwwww!
      Alien #1: The claw is our master.
      Alien #2: The claw chooses who will go and who will stay.

  8. it's Bender's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    shiny ass

  9. OMG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What are my car keys doing on Mars!

  10. Screw that... by Vanderhoth · · Score: 2

    It looks kind of like a screw to me, but I guess we'll find out in a few days. It would be exciting if it was something more special and could maybe lead to more funding for programs like Mars One. If I wasn't married I'd volunteer for the Mars One program, but I think getting married puts me in the mentally unstable category. If it doesn't than being willing to go to Mars and live in what amounts to a large tent for the rest of my life certainly would... I guess they'll have a hard time finding qualified people.

    1. Re:Screw that... by Jeng · · Score: 2

      Whats with the discrimination against the mentally ill?

      I mean what if I did go on a killing spree? Wouldn't it be better that I do it on Mars where I only have two or three possible victims, rather than on Earth where I may have dozens?

      Think of the greater good.

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    2. Re:Screw that... by pr0t0 · · Score: 2

      "Screws are falling out all the time; the world's an imperfect place" -- John Bender

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    3. Re:Screw that... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Volunteer anyways, it will never happen through Mars One.
      I like how the gloss over the hard bits of getting and staying on Mars.

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    4. Re:Screw that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Think of the greater good.

      The greater good.

    5. Re:Screw that... by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1

      I had the same thought when I watched the video. I'm sure there are people perfectly willing to go to Mars, literally just to die there, regardless of how difficult things will be.

      Can you imagine what it would be like to live with the same three people in a tent and only going outside in a spacesuit for two years before your neighbors got there. And what happens when the life support unit breaks? where do they get the parts and who fixes it?

      There probably isn't a shortage of volunteers, regardless It should be a good show to watch for awhile if it ever gets off the ground.

    6. Re:Screw that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Out of mod points, but virtual +1 for Hot Fuzz reference. Best of the Cornetto trilogy (so far) Way better than Shaun of the Dead.

    7. Re:Screw that... by Xenkar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Statistically, mentally ill people aren't more or less likely to attack you than a normal person unless said mentally ill person is a schizophrenic female. In which case the chance is doubled.

      The reason why we don't send mentally ill people is because we'd also have to send a supply of whatever medication they'll need to keep balanced and productive plus a psychiatrist for therapy.

      But I think a sparse Mars colony would be perfect for my socialphobia. I'd only have to get used to at most twenty people.

    8. Re:Screw that... by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      What happens if Columbus punctured a lung on the way to America? He dies. Exploration is dangerous and we need to stop being pussies. We will send young men into the fray every single day, but we blanch at suicide Mars missions.

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    9. Re:Screw that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop saying that!

    10. Re:Screw that... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      But I think a sparse Mars colony would be perfect for my socialphobia. I'd only have to get used to at most twenty people.

      Except you'll be living practically on top of each other, if it's only the icebreaker phase then sure but I'd go completely bonkers if all I had to myself was a small alcove but otherwise there's always be people - the same people - and there's nowhere to go to get away.

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    11. Re:Screw that... by Spectre · · Score: 1

      Statistically, mentally ill people aren't more or less likely to attack you than a normal person unless said mentally ill person is a schizophrenic female.

      ...schizophrenic female.

      I believe the adjective is redundant ...

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    12. Re:Screw that... by Plekto · · Score: 1

      It's almost certainly a bit of debris from the shield and/or lander. If you look at the high definition video, you see the thing slam into the surface right before Curiosity lands and it looks like it hit hard, with a huge plume of dust and debris. Fragments could have reached a few miles from the looks of it.

      Or it could be a screw. (arm falls off as it reaches for the item. Camera is now looking at an arm and a screw.)

      Trust me on this. There's nothing on Mars. After millions of years being irradiated, it's as lifeless as the Moon except *maybe* at the poles where some bacteria or viruses survived. note - the Moon is similar in that it's covered in a blanket of dust, but below the dust is pretty much normal rock.

    13. Re:Screw that... by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      What happens if Columbus punctured a lung on the way to America? He dies. Exploration is dangerous and we need to stop being pussies. We will send young men into the fray every single day, but we blanch at suicide Mars missions.

      What is the point of sending humans to Mars or anywhere in space at this point? Having watched countless hours of missions to station and shuttle orbital flights the crew might as well be a bunch of robots since all activities and actions are planned down to the smallest detail anyway.

      I would rather see all that money spent on researching automated manufacturing technology to enable robotic mining and production...why settle for crappy tents and cramped piss poor living conditions when you can have machines building a space port and whole city before anyone arrives? Not to mention positive effect such advances could have to production of goods here on this planet.

      Go big or go home.

    14. Re:Screw that... by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Yes, of course why didnt i think of that. Instead of sending a few of the 7 billion fully programmable humans we have, lets build robot tech we dont have before we work on that insurance policy.

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    15. Re:Screw that... by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Whats with the discrimination against the mentally ill?

      I mean what if I did go on a killing spree? Wouldn't it be better that I do it on Mars where I only have two or three possible victims, rather than on Earth where I may have dozens?

      Think of the greater good.

      "God told me to." From the next cell "I did not."

    16. Re:Screw that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unidentified, shiny, metallic object

      Perhaps a shiny, metal ass from the Bender family?

    17. Re:Screw that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes a screw and you can see the empty screw hole in photo where it came from - lower left quad - then ditto in that quad - javastarchild

  11. resembling a monolith? by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 2, Funny

    My God, Its full of Stars!

    1. Re:resembling a monolith? by metlin · · Score: 1

      The best Slashdot sig I've ever seen: "My dog! It's full of rats: 2001 - A Dyslexic Odyssey".

  12. About time! by SlashJoel · · Score: 5, Funny

    They finally found the Prothean ruin!

    1. Re:About time! by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Great news everyone! The reapers are soooo tiny you'll squee when you see them!

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  13. And so begins.. by slashmojo · · Score: 2

    The Martian Goldrush of 2012 (+travel time)

    1. Re:And so begins.. by Xtifr · · Score: 1

      Or the Martian Screwrush.

      "Oh my god, they found a screw! Just driving by! The planet must be covered with screws!" :)

  14. If its is alien origin by na1led · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't expect to hear anymore about this story.

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    1. Re:If its is alien origin by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, becasue NASA wouldn't want the huge amount of money that would poor into the project to get there before anyone else, and the military sure wouldn't be interested.

      It's in the governments, the military, and NASAs best interests to find an alien artifact, you moron.

      I look forward to hearing about the as a conspiracy for the next 20 years~

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    2. Re:If its is alien origin by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I'm thinking that we are now in a state of development that if an alien artifact was found on Mars, it wouldn't throw us into total chaos. It would spur us to build more tech to get there to check it out, and see what else was out there.

    3. Re:If its is alien origin by cnettel · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's the Shadows! Stop Clark before it's too late!

    4. Re:If its is alien origin by dadelbunts · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of course they would be interested, and of course they would want a huge pile of money. None of these things have to do with you knowing about it. The military and NASA have been interested in a plethora of things that while they were interested in, they also made sure you were not. Not saying thats what they will do in this case, but they have a very good track record of keeping things hidden from the public.

    5. Re:If its is alien origin by jythie · · Score: 1

      I doubt there was ever a time in the last century that 'finding aliens' would have ever thrown us into chaos. It is little more then a 'but I am differnt and better then the sheep because I can handle it' myth that doubles as a convient exuse for why the government would be hiding things.

    6. Re:If its is alien origin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that it would overtun and eviserate that last remaining shred that mainstream religion(mormons ans scientology don't count). Hold onto to keep their late copper to early iron age texts alive. Proof of other life would prove 'special creationk false once and for all. And try to think for the moment what just about every major u.s. politian believes in..

    7. Re:If its is alien origin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? How?

      The only Christians who would have a serious problem with it are the young earth creationists and they are hardly mainstream. The fact that they tend to be very vocal on certain topics does not make them mainstream.

      To talk about mainstream religion in generic terms you also have to consider Islam, Hinduism and Budism.

    8. Re:If its is alien origin by JoeRobe · · Score: 1

      it would overtun and eviserate that last remaining shred that mainstream religion(mormons ans scientology don't count)

      Not Necessarily.

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    9. Re:If its is alien origin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the last thing Obama wants is for people to be talking about something other than the bad economy? The constant cowtowing to big bankers? The complete inability for congress to slow down spending?

    10. Re:If its is alien origin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, in fact you will hear that it's only swamp gas from a weather balloon.

    11. Re:If its is alien origin by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Finding Alien on Mars would never have thrown us into Chaos. IT's like saying find native on another land mass who didn't have the same religion would have thrown pre-Columbus Europe into a panic.

      Stop being stupid, that's just an excuse made up by people who need some sort of crutch to prop there crazy theories on.

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    12. Re:If its is alien origin by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You really don't understand religion, do you? They will say the same thing they say whenever natives are found that have a different belief system:
      "God has talked to me and said we must spread the word to these Aliens. Even thought there are different, and have ways that are wrong in the eyes of god, we must go their and show them the error of their ways."

      Really, don't underestimate loons.

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    13. Re:If its is alien origin by na1led · · Score: 1

      If the US finds any alien artifact, do you think we would broadcast it to the rest of the world, and cause chaos among the nations racing to get it first. What do you think the Chinese and Russians would do? There is a reason why TOP Secret is "Top Secret".

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    14. Re:If its is alien origin by jbezorg · · Score: 1

      Really? How?

      .... and Budism.

      *breaks into song*

      But.

      I've never been one of them...

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    15. Re:If its is alien origin by Jeng · · Score: 1

      If there was evidence of extraterrestrial life on Mars, the USA would have a complete blackout and denial of it. Why? Because they'd want to be the first to obtain it

      It is rather difficult to do a mission to Mars without being noticed. And NASA would not be involved at all, NASA just does Air Force missions that are more civilian orientated so therefor it is the Air Force that would get obscene amounts of money diverted to it.

      If something is found then it will most probably be shared with NATO countries, well shared may be too strong of a word....., but it wouldn't be done in complete secrecy.

      So does being wrong make you the moron, or does it just make you wrong?

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      Don't know something? Look it up. Still don't know? Then ask.
    16. Re:If its is alien origin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may have a point. It could be a piece of your tinfoil hat stollen by the aliens! o_O

    17. Re:If its is alien origin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The simple occams razor here is that goverment, military and NASA has already found what theyre looking for (Alien Artifacts) and is trying to avoid releasing any information that would spur anyone else into pouring massive amounts of money, resources and time to get their first.

      Thefore they are kicking theif feet and shuffling under the rug finds like this and avoiding bringing them to the general publics attention.

    18. Re:If its is alien origin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps they'd all be sensible and work together in light of a possible new mutual enemy.

    19. Re:If its is alien origin by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      It has its uses. After all, without that train of thought, we would have no Stargate SG-1!

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  15. My Keys!! by BenSchuarmer · · Score: 5, Funny

    that's where I left them

    1. Re:My Keys!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were really drunk that night when you drove home

  16. The most likely explanation... by Odin's+Raven · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pretty sure it's just Occam's Razor - Curiosity probaby knocked it off the sink after shaving this morning...

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  17. So Curiosity by kiriath · · Score: 2

    Has ADD

    1. Re:So Curiosity by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

      or lepra

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  18. Unobtainium! by who_stole_my_kidneys · · Score: 2

    I called it first so its mine!

    1. Re:Unobtainium! by Sez+Zero · · Score: 2

      I called it first so its mine!

      Bah, it clearly is unrefined Transparent Aluminum. It doesn't get clear until it is refined.

    2. Re:Unobtainium! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean aluminum oxide? Or sapphire glass as it is known in it's refined form.

    3. Re:Unobtainium! by istartedi · · Score: 1

      The International Shiny Thing on Another Planet Registry might have something to say about that.

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  19. Gold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's solid gold. Get to the space wagons, we're headin' West!

  20. A science article on Slashdot?!?!?1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's all make lame jokes or use this as a chance to bash religion! YippeeeEeee!!!

    1. Re:A science article on Slashdot?!?!?1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL you probably think spaghetti monster something or other blah blah blah obama
       
      It has more to do with your average Slashtard not being able to discuss science so instead they use these stories as an outlet for showing their hate of religion. Or are you new around here?

    2. Re:A science article on Slashdot?!?!?1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I for one welcome our new Aluminum Shred overlords !

      Imagine a Beowulf cluster of aluminum shreds !

      If obama wasn't president there wouldnt be aluminum laying around in the dirt !

      Apple sucks too !!!!

  21. Monolith by zmooc · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's probably just the top of a boring monolith made of some blackish metal. Nothing to see here; move along.

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    1. Re:Monolith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, probably it is just a coin

  22. An excellent opportunity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    1. Surreptitiously cause Curiosity to self-destruct as it gets close.
    2. Declare the object an alien superweapon.
    3. Request a few trillion dollars for the invasion of Mars.
    4. ??????
    5. PROFIT!!!

  23. Shiny metal object? by mcmonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    If some tells you to bite it, don't.

  24. A few hundred million miles away on the surface? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    Oh, would it not have made more sense to tell us how far away the metal object was from the rover, to how far away Mars is from Earth?

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  25. Maybe an iron-nickel meteorite? Maybe not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It doesn't look like a bit of anything bigger that's buried beneath the surface. For one thing, if there was something larger underneath it, the dune would have been deformed around it as the wind blew around the object. More likely it's a bit dropped on the sediment surface. Maybe it is a bit of Curiosity, or maybe we're looking at a shard of an iron-nickel meteorite tossed onto the surface from an impact site nearby? Mars is a very dry environment currently, so previous meteorites when found have been quite shiny (several iron-nickel ones are known thanks to the previous rovers). Still, it doesn't look very dusty, so it looks more likely to be a bit of the rover itself or the gear that smacked onto the surface recently (e.g., the heatshield, which impacted not too far away from Glenelg).

  26. It's an Illudium-Q36 explosive space modulator by Freddybear · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm expecting an earth-shattering kaboom!

    1. Re:It's an Illudium-Q36 explosive space modulator by guttentag · · Score: 2

      I'm betting it's a light grenade with the words "pick me up" inscribed in Martian, the last remnant of a great but very stupid civilization.

    2. Re:It's an Illudium-Q36 explosive space modulator by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      Mars-shattering

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  27. Re:A few hundred million miles away on the surface by Speare · · Score: 1

    The very first image in the news shows the rover's wheels/chassis surrounding the metal flake. From the photo, I can't tell the scale, but it's directly below the camera, which is aimed straight down at the surface. Distance: roughly zero.

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  28. Be varry varry careful by p51d007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It might be part of a uranium q-38 explosive space modulator!!!!

    1. Re:Be varry varry careful by mark-t · · Score: 1

      That's q-36.

    2. Re:Be varry varry careful by stox · · Score: 1

      Try again, that is a Illudium Pu-36 Explosive Space Modulator. Also known as a Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator.

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    3. Re:Be varry varry careful by cashman73 · · Score: 1

      <pedantry> That's q-36. </pedantry>

      It's also the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator, you insensitive clod! Both of you should hand in your geek cards immediately!

    4. Re:Be varry varry careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the original cartoon back in '48 was Uranium Pu-36 Explosive Space Modulator.
      It has since been changed to Illudium.

    5. Re:Be varry varry careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong! It was "uranium" in the first Marvin cartoon, "Hare-way to the Stars," but some airings have overdubbed it with "Illudium" to make the joke consistent.

      YOU turn in YOUR geek card!

    6. Re:Be varry varry careful by mark-t · · Score: 1

      That's still q-36.

    7. Re:Be varry varry careful by sconeu · · Score: 2

      Both posters should be destroyed in an Earth-shattering Kaboom.

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  29. Too shiny by Xtifr · · Score: 1

    It's sitting in a field of dust--but it doesn't appear to be dusty. If it were in one of Curiousity's tire tracks looking like that, I might believe the dust had been wiped off, but as it is, I think that the only plausible explanation is that it fell there very recently. Like, within the last day. Which strongly argues that it is indeed, a piece of Curiousity.

    1. Re:Too shiny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It does look pretty clean. On the other hand, it appears partly buried, yet the surrounding dirt is not disturbed. The obvious explanation is that it has lain there long enough for the marks of its landing to be erased by wind. Alternatively, it is a buried object that the wind has partially excavated.

  30. drop in any mailbox by axehind · · Score: 1

    "If found, drop in any mailbox. Return postage guaranteed"

  31. ChemCam image, possible set up for spectroscopy? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Informative

    I found this ChemCam image in the raw image archive. It does look like a jagged shaving of... something.

    While this could just be because the ChemCam telescope/imager has the highest resolution of anything on the mast (and they don't want to move the arm now), it might also mean that they plan to zap the object with the laser and measure its composition.

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  32. It's a Worm. by jovius · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who sees there a bright eyed Martian worm? Soon they'll throw sheep at us, dammit.

  33. Late-breaking news: TREASON! by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll bet it has writing on it that says
    RETURN FOR REFUND

    Today the Council of Elders reports the exposure of a fifth column of traitors that has apparently existed within the intelligence directorate of world's security services. The Council neither confirms nor denies the contents of the following diplomatic transmission leaked to the blue world by rebellious spies.

    12GLENELG0062: If it's actually the trigger for a trap door beneath the rover, for example, or the last remaining relic of the Martian race, then NASA obviously needs to handle it with care.

    When a senior military official, apparently intoxicated after having submersed himself in the poisonous liquid that covers two thirds of the enemy world's surface, exclaimed "IT'S A TRAP", K'Breel had the Admiral's gelsacs bronzed and disposed of in the general vicinity of the invader. The Council reminds all citizens that the planetary metals recycling programme operates on a strict basis of "No deposit, no return."

    1. Re:Late-breaking news: TREASON! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn! You beat me to it.

    2. Re:Late-breaking news: TREASON! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn! You beat me to it.

      Next one's yours. The Council must be crazy :)

  34. As it swings toward the shiny object... by mech_knight · · Score: 1

    "As it swings toward the shiny object, the Mars Hand Lens Imager camera abruptly falls of its hinges..."

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  35. It's a bolt, from Curiosity by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Funny

    Which is just bloody great. Now we have to work out how to change an engine mounting from 150 million miles away.

    1. Re:It's a bolt, from Curiosity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is just bloody great. Now we have to work out how to change an engine mounting from 150 million miles away.

      Very carefully.

    2. Re:It's a bolt, from Curiosity by Krazy+Kanuck · · Score: 1
      It's pretty small to call a bolt. Based on the dimensions of the scoop (provided below from NASA), it's visible size is less than 0.5cm x 0.1cm. Though I did laugh at the idea until i looked at the unadulterated pics.

      This image from the right Mast Camera (Mastcam) of NASA's Mars rover Curiosity shows a scoop full of sand and dust lifted by the rover's first use of the scoop on its robotic arm. In the foreground, near the bottom of the image, a bright object is visible on the ground. The object might be a piece of rover hardware. This image was taken during the mission's 61st Martian day, or sol (Oct. 7, 2012), the same sol as the first scooping. After examining Sol 61 imaging, the rover team decided to refrain from using the arm on Sol 62 (Oct. 8). Instead, the rover was instructed to acquire additional imaging of the bright object, on Sol 62, to aid the team in assessing possible impact, if any, to sampling activities. For scale, the scoop is 1.8 inches (4.5 centimeters) wide, 2.8 inches (7 centimeters) long.

  36. Object Likely Benign Plastic from Curiosity Rover by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    nasa.gov:

    "Curiosity's main activity in the 62nd sol of the mission (Oct. 8, 2012) was to image a small, bright object on the ground using the Remote Micro-Imager of the Chemistry and Camera (ChemCam) instrument.

    The rover team's assessment is that the bright object is something from the rover, not Martian material. It appears to be a shred of plastic material, likely benign, but it has not been definitively identified.

    To proceed cautiously, the team is continuing the investigation for another day before deciding whether to resume processing of the sample in the scoop. Plans include imaging of surroundings with the Mastcam."

  37. Re:A few hundred million miles away on the surface by Xtifr · · Score: 1

    Um, the picture is fairly clear. Granted, if you want to know the exact number of millimeters away it is, that might be tricky to estimate, but you can tell at a glance that the distance is "within reach", almost bordering on "underneath", which should be good enough.

    Yes, I know, nobody ever bothers to RTFA. The flip side of that is that nobody should ever expect to actually be informed of anything. :p ;)

  38. Re:Maybe an iron-nickel meteorite? Maybe not by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "It doesn't look like a bit of anything bigger that's buried beneath the surface."

    It's obviously a lid of a can of Marsian Lite.

  39. The tip of a second statue of liberty by shurel · · Score: 2

    wouldnt it be trippy

    1. Re:The tip of a second statue of liberty by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      wouldnt it be trippy

      Damn you! Damn you all to hell!

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  40. first! by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 2

    First alien relic!

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  41. Gold and diamonds used to lay on the surface by HangingChad · · Score: 2

    It may seem hard to believe now, but gold, silver and diamonds used to lay on the surface of the Earth. It wasn't until man got to the point we were writing things down that we started collecting the shiny things on the surface.

    All I'm suggesting is it could be naturally occurring or it could be ejecta from an impact event involving an asteroid with a high metallic content.

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    1. Re:Gold and diamonds used to lay on the surface by confused+one · · Score: 1

      We collected shiny things before writing was invented... But there just weren't enough people picking up shiny rocks to have a significant impact on the available quantities. You are correct though: used to be you could walk up to a stream bed and find "precious" metals and stones just sitting there.

  42. I bet. by Westwood0720 · · Score: 1

    I have money its a Schlitz can.

  43. Darn, thwarted by K'Breel! by superstick58 · · Score: 1

    I wonder what the dispatch will say about this?

  44. The old wry bumper sticker by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    'The parts falling off this car are of the finest British manufacture."

    1. Re:The old wry bumper sticker by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      'The parts falling off this car are of the finest British manufacture."

      Pointless at night, since nobody with Lucas headlamps could read it.

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  45. And half way down Slahsdot's comments ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now I'm seeing some sort of intelligent comment.

    Bored now.

  46. Re:ChemCam image, possible set up for spectroscopy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I found this ChemCam image in the raw image archive. It does look like a jagged shaving of... something.

    Mars has very sticky dust. Notice how everything in that image looks like a puffy ball. Except this object, which is totally dust free. Which means it's new. Which means either it's from Curiosity or Melvin shot it at Curiosity.

  47. Don't pull it out! by wcrowe · · Score: 2

    It's a platinum screw. For God's sake, don't pull it out! The whole planet will fall apart.

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  48. Good thing the Cold War is over... by sinij · · Score: 1

    Good thing the Cold War is over, because about right now we would be considering nuking Soviets before they got to alien tech. Now we can actually cooperate and fly SpaceX to take a closer look. Probably within 2 years of R&D with unlimited budget.

    1. Re:Good thing the Cold War is over... by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      SpaceX will not be pushing beyond anything NASA is doing. As of now they are a orbital delivery company, nothing more. I have mad respect for the SpaceX team, but lets keep it in perspective.

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    2. Re:Good thing the Cold War is over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now we can actually cooperate and fly SpaceX to take a closer look.

      Remind me how many trans-planetary burns out of Earth orbit SpaceX have completed recently?

      It is difficult to do and even more so to do accurately. The USians and Soviets lost literally dozens of probes left drifting in Earth orbit in the 1960s and you expect some upstart LEO cargo-shifter to be able to do it in two years.

      They won't even have first-hand experience of microgravity ullage burns. That's step 1.

  49. Was there localized deformation? by GReaToaK_2000 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It doesn't look like there is any local deformation of the Martian ground where that shiny object is.

    So, to me it doesn't seem like it's something that "fell off" Curiosity nor it's landing contraptions. This doesn't mean that it's not but just saying it's rather odd that there are no "crater-like" rings or dirt moved around the shiny thing.

    Granted a gust of the Martian atmosphere may have re-covered the "crater" but there would still be some sort of visible change in the soil around it.

    I think it might be Martian "ore" of some sort.

    1. Re:Was there localized deformation? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Why would a tiny object -- possibly made of plastic -- that fell off the rover be expected to produce visible deformation of the soil? If, as seems the 'obvious' choice given the timing of its discovery, it came from the scoop or other parts of CHIMRA, then it would have only been a few inches above the surface when it fell.

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  50. Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It could be the tip of an Obelisk? O.o

  51. New, annoying, alien life discovered by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 2

    It's small, covered in metallic make-up and talks incessantly about itself. Much like several of my ex-girlfriends.

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    1. Re:New, annoying, alien life discovered by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      you left out the best phrase: "and from Mars"

    2. Re:New, annoying, alien life discovered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one here believes you had a girlfriend, let alone girlfriends ;)

    3. Re:New, annoying, alien life discovered by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Dude, it couldn't be his ex-Girlfriend... unless she was a tranny guy.

      Remember... *MEN* are from Mars. *WOMEN* are from *Venus*

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    4. Re:New, annoying, alien life discovered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      still having firmware problems eh?

  52. Speck on lens. by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

    Next!

  53. Sounds like the beginning of a bad sci-fi novel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can see it now, spacecraft returns to earth with an odd piece of metal from mars. Suddenly everyone exposed to it starts acting strangely. It is discovered that this piece contains all of the demonic force of the universe, and all of earth is doomed.

  54. My hat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wonder where that tinfoil duncecap was mislaid

  55. Maybe it's the russians? by cod3r_ · · Score: 1

    Their mission didn't go so well perhaps.

  56. Re:Maybe an iron-nickel meteorite? Maybe not by Squidlips · · Score: 1

    A meteorite has got to be number 2 on the list after something that fell off the rover/landing system. They are all over the place at Meridiani (Oppie's landing location), and there is nothing like 3 billion years of very, very dry wind erosion to uncover and polish those bad boys.... Everything else is way way way down the list of possibilities....

  57. FRAKKIN TOASTERS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just you wait.

  58. Re:ChemCam image, possible set up for spectroscopy by sinij · · Score: 2

    So for this object to remain dust free after falling of Curiosity, it must be internal component (we might have a problem with Curiosity), have some different properties than Curiosity material or dropped from the orbit (and in this case would leave a crate).

    Any plausible explanation makes this very interesting find.

  59. martian landmine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    be careful when passing

  60. Re:ChemCam image, possible set up for spectroscopy by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

    Looks like a torn piece of foil. Some shielding knocked off during the landing, maybe?

  61. If its alien by Snaller · · Score: 1

    They won't tell us anyway, so don't get excited.

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  62. Re:Object Likely Benign Plastic from Curiosity Rov by Sez+Zero · · Score: 1

    The rover team's assessment is that the bright object is something from the rover, not Martian material.

    Oh, sure, like they would actually tell us if it is the tip of some Martian tinfoil hat!

  63. Monolith by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 2

    This is an easy one. It's a monolith.

  64. It's a name badge by almitydave · · Score: 1

    It says "PINBACK"

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  65. shiny object by confused+one · · Score: 1

    Will turn out to be a chunk of platinum group metals. So begins the push to mine Mars.

  66. no martian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's Jimmy Hoffa's crashed escape pod.

  67. Obligatory quote... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...Mars rover Curiosity has photographed an unidentified, shiny, metallic object..."

    Bite my shiny metal ass....!!

  68. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  69. Plot thickens... by Tim12s · · Score: 2

    1. Announce it was just debris from the booster.
    2. Go quite on all subsequent media on mars focusing on "curiosity" mission.
    3. Announce "jupiter" mission (which is a cover story ofcourse)
    4. Massive funding and spectacular research on new launch tech.
    5. "crashes" into jupiter and landing failed (actually lands on mars to investigate why there is a coke can on mars)

  70. Re:ChemCam image, possible set up for spectroscopy by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

    So for this object to remain dust free after falling of Curiosity, it must be internal component

    It could just be something that flaked off the outside of Curiosity, and landed with the dust-free side up.

    While the timing makes a part of the arm, specifically CHIMRA, seem most likely, they haven't done more than just scoop so internal parts of CHIMRA haven't been subjected to any new abrasion, and any already loose parts of the internals would have likely been shaken out when they tested the vibration/cleaning mechanisms earlier. It still could be, though.

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  71. It's a smeggin garbage pod! by slashmojo · · Score: 1

    .. had to be said - Red Dwarf is back after all!

    1. Re:It's a smeggin garbage pod! by Deus.1.01 · · Score: 1

      Don't crush my dreams of sleeping with an alien chick with 6 breasts!

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    2. Re:It's a smeggin garbage pod! by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

      Betcha wish you had six hands!

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  72. Re:Object Likely Benign Plastic from Curiosity Rov by mbone · · Score: 1

    "Benign" is an interesting word choice. It's probably not good if Curiosity is shedding parts, but I wouldn't expect them to be dangerous.

    Since it was found directly beneath the rover, I bet they can figure out what assembly it came from.

  73. Those martians... by pwnyxpress · · Score: 1

    They glued a quarter to the surface to trick us. The fact that we haven't found them yet makes our discovery of said quarter all the funnier to them.

  74. Finally a quality American car by Tweezak · · Score: 1

    Curiosity managed to travel 350 million miles before falling to pieces.

    However if you only count the distance traveled on the surface of Mars...then it's pretty typical for US made vehicles.

  75. oh no theyve found me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oh god a piece of my tinfoil hat has torn off and now they've found me.

  76. Mod points for AC, straight from NASA by chebucto · · Score: 1

    n/t

    Also, you can take a photo on mars, download it, analyze it and publish your results faster than you can get a news story up on Slashdot. ;)

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  77. Re:And half way down Slahsdot's comments ... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    Who is Slah, and why does he have dots?

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  78. distinct possibility my ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remote, Slight, Slim, Vanishing all seem like better words.

  79. War of the Worlds by countach · · Score: 1

    The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one..... they said.

    1. Re:War of the Worlds by Magada · · Score: 1

      The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one... and still, they've come!

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  80. Great buildup but.. by uslurper · · Score: 1

    Why on earth would you put it this way?

    May as well be opening Al Capone's Vaults! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mystery_of_Al_Capone's_Vaults

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  81. A Note by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

    I bet it reads "The cake is a lie"

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  82. Probably some joker by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    put it there with a fishing line attached to it and it'll get pulled in a little further as the rover gets near. Damn Martian hooligans.

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  83. Someone *was* in the pod. by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 1

    Look sir: Droids.

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  84. Kill it! by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Quick! KILL IT!

  85. Ablative heatshield piece by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It _is_ close to the rover, just a few hundred meters from touchdown. And it could be a fragment of the ablative heatshield, which was released kilometers up above that whole landing area.

  86. the BETA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congrats, we're doomed.

  87. Metalic object identity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's Nancy Green's candy wrapper. (Extra, extra bonus for ultra obscure reference.)

  88. My God! by MacColossus · · Score: 1

    It's full of stars!

  89. "Collecting scrap!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It must be a rare sample of Cthonian scrap-metal that was not scavenged by the human's during the real space race.

  90. Might it not be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Bender's Shiny Metal Ass.

  91. I hope Mars has a good lawyer. by Buzzsaw5 · · Score: 1

    If this "shiny metal object" is native to Mars then Apple will most likely sue Mars for infringing on their Shiny Metal Object patents.

  92. We're the aliens by taucross · · Score: 1

    If it's a piece of a Terran rover on Mars, doesn't make it the first known alien artifact?

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  93. MrSeb ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MrSeb writes:
    "It could be the tip of a larger object"

    How do you figure, given that it's resting gently on top of some loose pebbles? did you even bother to look at the chemcam images?

  94. A marker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It actually is to a partially buried warning sign. The sign is to warn us that it is over a hazardous nuclear waste dump that the ancient Martians put there. The Martian civilization went extinct because they too didn't know what to do with all that waste. The problem is that we are too dumb to understand that it was meant to be a warning.

  95. Curiosity is Too Curious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Curiosity is so curious, it's starting to rip itself apart.

  96. It's the UFO Believers who make the claim. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their "When the Aliens Reveal Themselves to Us, the Whole World Will Collapse Into Chaos" mantra is one of the foundation tenets of their religion.

    It's one of the excuses for why not even the tiniest shred of credible evidence of intelligent extraterrestrial visitors and their transportation system has ever been found, despite an extensive search by hillbillies, teenage courting couples from small towns, and the clinically insane.

    It's right up their with that other crucial belief, "The Whole World is Conspiring Against Us to Hide the Existence of UFOs and the Aliens!"

  97. Curiosity to Earth: by mythar · · Score: 1

    Time out for a second. That wasn't supposed to happen. Do you see that thing that fell out of me? What is that? It's not the surprise. I've never seen it before! Never mind, it's a mystery I'll solve later...

  98. ____ my shiny, metal ___ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just one question.

    Is it an ass that I have to bite?

  99. litter by Nyder · · Score: 2

    Updated: NASA’s initial assessment is that the object is in fact a piece of plastic that has fallen off Curiosity. Further analysis will be performed before a final judgment is made.

    We go, we explore, we litter!

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    Be seeing you...
  100. A monopoly on God? by gottabeme · · Score: 1

    Or maybe God created a universe full of beings like us (even if they don't look like us). Maybe they already know God.

    Doctors were interviewed who claim to have treated the lizard-like aliens who are alleged to have crashed in Brazil years ago, and it was recorded in a book all about the Brazil crashes (I don't remember the title, but it should be very easy to find on Amazon). One of the doctors said that an injured alien said to him (I'm paraphrasing), "We feel pity for humans. You don't realize you are spiritual beings in physical bodies."

    If aliens do exist, why would we have a monopoly on God, the creator of the universe?

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    "Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
  101. Earth Primary Planet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be interesting to see if there could be water on Mars but does it forfill all the factors needed to have H2o?
    This was researched by Nasa scientists on a documentry call "The Privaleged Planet"
    -Johann
    http://quickenme.weebly.com/powerful-testimonies.html

  102. My hope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is that it will have Russian writing and a radiation hazard symbol on it. I would love to see some previously top-secret rover show up from decades past.

  103. Mars is just saying... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Bite My Shiny Metal Ass.....

  104. Why worry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We'll all be dead and dust before too long. Why worry about Mars?

  105. Re:ChemCam image, possible set up for spectroscopy by cavebison · · Score: 1

    Oh that's right - find something that looks vaguely alien and the first thing we do is zap it with a laser.

    No wonder we never get visited.

  106. Re:Object Likely Benign Plastic from Curiosity Rov by cavebison · · Score: 1

    Yes but is it from this rover, or a parallel universe rover?

    In science, you don't just jump to easy conclusions.

  107. Re:ChemCam image, possible set up for spectroscopy by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

    Hey, that's not fair. It's not the first thing we do. First we take pictures so we know what it looked like before we lasered it.

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    The enemies of Democracy are
  108. doesnt always have to be wells by KingBenny · · Score: 1
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    Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?
  109. It's an entire Martian civilization by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

    But because we can't imagine anything important of that size we'll never know.

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    If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.