So, you're basically admitting that the language has nothing to do with your complain. There are lazy people in every programming language and it's possible to write spaghetti code in every programming language as well.
"An ugly programming language"? PHP syntatically follows the same style as Perl and C, so you're basically saying all three are ugly? Or maybe you're saying that only about PHP because it makes you look so cool?
Seriously now, if you wanna criticize a programming language do so by using technical arguments, this is not a beauty pageant.
For those who just can't wait - like myself - since the Pidgin site was slashdotted, just go directly to Pidgin's SourceForge page @ http://sourceforge.net/projects/pidgin
Anything called "Undefeatable" or any "definitive terms", like "Unbreakable", "Definitive", "Ultimate", etc... are just marketing terms and must be taken as such. Technically speaking is very hard to believe that such thing exists.
It's the good ol' crackers x hackers conflict: you create a lock, they drill a hole, you fix the hole, they drill in a different location, and so on...
Maybe it's "Undefeatable" now, but just give the good guys some time =:cP
Hilarious! Vista's UAC, as pretty much everything MS has done to "improve security" is ridiculous. It's that good old politic of asking "You are trying to run this program as an Administrator. Are you sure?" and the possible answers: "YES, I AM THE ADMINISTRATOR BECAUSE I'M LOGGED IN AS SUCH, YOU DUMB, FOOLISH OS" or "No, I've double clicked an icon just for fun".
It's so pathetic! I wonder when MS will implement something like this "A virus is about to thrash your hard drive. Would you alike to allow it?"
The web has much to evolve before it can live up to all this hype. Yeah, this may sound weird coming from a web developer, but I'm a careful one.
As for desktop apps, they are, still, faster and more reliable than their web counterparts, not to mention that a whole cultural change must occur so web apps can really prevail.
I've done some desktop development - only to amuse myself, really (so I'm not the best man to write statements about it) but I'll take my chances: the amount of code needed to transform a shell app into a desktop one is huge, so I really don't see any advantages on it, being a geek.
OTOH, web app interface development seems to be a lot easier and shorter than QT, GTK, etc...
I see a lot of complaining here, but I believe this is a great move. Dell is a huge, millionaire company and is showing real attention to Linux users. Just remember that a while ago Dell wasn't considering Linux anymore and you'll see the value of this recent attitude from them.
Nice one for Dell. Hope we really see this becoming a reality.
[...] it has a reputation for taking an excessive cryptic nature [...]
Actually this is a common mistake associated with Perl. The language can be as readable as PHP (believe me, Perl was my first language and I work with PHP since 2002), but it can become cryptic as well. It all depends on the coding style of the author.
Writing a Perl script is fairly easy. Modifying another programmer's Perl script can be tough.
[...] We had to create Word and PowerPoint documents and run Microsoft-like applications because the folks we were working with at Dell were using Microsoft.[...]
This is not something that you can blame Linux for. Linux doesn't have to be compatible with MS applications, although it's obviously an interesting thing, and yet it does a pretty good job.
Yes, it has several compatibility problems, but to write an article with such heavy statements is quite absurd.
To this guy the business world is "MS world". This is the mistake, not using this or that or trying this or that. If everyone starts thinking like this Linux will become just a pathetic "Windows wannabe".
I'd love to see what would happen if everyone was using Linux and he tried to "be part of the shiny big business world blah blah blah" with a Windows 3.11 for Workgroups in his laptop.
Conclusion? This is just Yet Another Poor Article Depicting Linux.
Nothing more logical, if you think about how Google Video compete with You Tube and the power that the You Tube brand has. I don't see how Google would maintain both services running simultaneously as they are today.
Well said, but still a line must be drawn, even if it serves as reference only. Thing is 30 is weird by any common standards (as I've noticed by the american posts here too).
I don't know how it is in the U.S., but the legal age here in Brazil is 21, while the driving age is 18 and the voting age is 16. I mean, ok, I can try to understand the reason to make a 'mature' section, but over 30?
Disclaimer: I'm over 30 and I'm a game geek, but I wouldn't like to see that happening...
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It could also stay still and "move" can mean "move backwards", so the title is sensationalist at best.
So, you're basically admitting that the language has nothing to do with your complain. There are lazy people in every programming language and it's possible to write spaghetti code in every programming language as well.
"An ugly programming language"? PHP syntatically follows the same style as Perl and C, so you're basically saying all three are ugly? Or maybe you're saying that only about PHP because it makes you look so cool? Seriously now, if you wanna criticize a programming language do so by using technical arguments, this is not a beauty pageant.
James Woods is doomed!
Does someone knows where can I find the paper? I've ran a resarch on Google, but oddly none of the results is from Google itself...
TIA,
Oops. I've must got the concept wrong, sorry.
s/Good/Bad/;
and of course:
s/me/ugly/; =)
Thanks for pointing that out.
For those who just can't wait - like myself - since the Pidgin site was slashdotted, just go directly to Pidgin's SourceForge page @ http://sourceforge.net/projects/pidgin
:D
Look, ma! I've slashdotted SourceForge
Anything called "Undefeatable" or any "definitive terms", like "Unbreakable", "Definitive", "Ultimate", etc... are just marketing terms and must be taken as such. Technically speaking is very hard to believe that such thing exists.
It's the good ol' crackers x hackers conflict: you create a lock, they drill a hole, you fix the hole, they drill in a different location, and so on...
Maybe it's "Undefeatable" now, but just give the good guys some time =:cP
Hilarious! Vista's UAC, as pretty much everything MS has done to "improve security" is ridiculous. It's that good old politic of asking "You are trying to run this program as an Administrator. Are you sure?" and the possible answers: "YES, I AM THE ADMINISTRATOR BECAUSE I'M LOGGED IN AS SUCH, YOU DUMB, FOOLISH OS" or "No, I've double clicked an icon just for fun".
It's so pathetic! I wonder when MS will implement something like this "A virus is about to thrash your hard drive. Would you alike to allow it?"
Sad, just sad.
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(Sorry, just couldn't resist. There goes my Karma...)
Well, I wasn't mentioning full software conversion, but you surely made your point :)
The web has much to evolve before it can live up to all this hype. Yeah, this may sound weird coming from a web developer, but I'm a careful one.
As for desktop apps, they are, still, faster and more reliable than their web counterparts, not to mention that a whole cultural change must occur so web apps can really prevail.
I've done some desktop development - only to amuse myself, really (so I'm not the best man to write statements about it) but I'll take my chances: the amount of code needed to transform a shell app into a desktop one is huge, so I really don't see any advantages on it, being a geek.
OTOH, web app interface development seems to be a lot easier and shorter than QT, GTK, etc...
I see a lot of complaining here, but I believe this is a great move. Dell is a huge, millionaire company and is showing real attention to Linux users. Just remember that a while ago Dell wasn't considering Linux anymore and you'll see the value of this recent attitude from them.
Nice one for Dell. Hope we really see this becoming a reality.
Writing a Perl script is fairly easy. Modifying another programmer's Perl script can be tough.
Students don't like CS anymore!
The right link for the article is http://www.salon.com/books/int/2007/02/03/leonard/ . The other one leaved me in a "click-here" kind of redirect page.
Yes, it has several compatibility problems, but to write an article with such heavy statements is quite absurd.
To this guy the business world is "MS world". This is the mistake, not using this or that or trying this or that. If everyone starts thinking like this Linux will become just a pathetic "Windows wannabe".
I'd love to see what would happen if everyone was using Linux and he tried to "be part of the shiny big business world blah blah blah" with a Windows 3.11 for Workgroups in his laptop.
Conclusion? This is just Yet Another Poor Article Depicting Linux.
... as being the first one. I rather wait to be the 400th or so and pay half the price =:cP
or maybe "Better quick than sorry"... =;c)
Nothing more logical, if you think about how Google Video compete with You Tube and the power that the You Tube brand has. I don't see how Google would maintain both services running simultaneously as they are today.
The draft can be found (in PDF) here.
Waiter! There's an Escherichia coli in my soup!
Why over 30?!?!
I don't know how it is in the U.S., but the legal age here in Brazil is 21, while the driving age is 18 and the voting age is 16. I mean, ok, I can try to understand the reason to make a 'mature' section, but over 30?
Disclaimer: I'm over 30 and I'm a game geek, but I wouldn't like to see that happening...
...in this foreigner's humble opinion: how accurate is this information? Is there a risk that we are seeing the whole WMD circus all over again?