>> But what *IS* the internet? > It's the largest equivalence class in the reflexive transitive > symmetric closure of the relationship "can be reached by an IP > packet from". --Seth Breidbart
I saved this from a NANOG post years ago.:) It might have even been in a discussion about previous cogent/level3 depeering games of chicken.
Ok, I admit my ignorance of ubuntu support periods. I assumed the ubuntu fanboy I was replying to would have corrected the 18 month statement he quoted if it was wrong. Wow, though, with ubuntu's fast release cycle that means they are supplying security/bugfix patches for over a dozen versions simultaneously?
uhm, what makes you think that debian testing has no support? Whenever there is a security patch, my testing workstation gets it just the same as my debian stable servers. The difference is that testing gets the security and bugfix patches *and* new feature/version updates, whereas debian stable *only* gets the security and critical bugfix patches.
If the whole point of a patent is to give someone exclusive rights to their invention for a limited time, why do we have a system that takes 10 years just to get a patent at all?
Are these excessive "patent pending" periods part of a ploy to lengthen the "limited time"?
Maybe you just mean that Debian/Ubuntu "offically support" apt-get dist-upgrade, whereas Fedora/RHEL/CentOS don't, yet, for various reasons... which while valid is much less so in a real company setting, IMO.
Unless you are a real company actually cares about downtime of their live servers. A dist-upgrade is much less downtime and less error prone because you can do it yourself to remote servers rather than having to trust a data center monkey with an rhel upgrade via cd/dvd. This was a large factor in moving my company's server clusters from rhel to debian. (rackspace will install debian for you, btw, even though they don't officially offer it.:)
I'm not surprised the ubuntu fabois would be out in force in this thread spreading FUD.
You are seriously trying to argue that the ubuntu lts 18 month support is somehow longer than the debian stable support which is 1 year after the release of the next version and new stable release do not happen within the same year so it's always more than 24 months?
Furthermore, you don't need support(in the security/major bugfix sense) for a single debian stable release for very long time periods because you can upgrade to the current stable release very smoothly - and guess what - it's still stable.
Nor do I understand your insistence that not having a predictable release cycle is such a terrible flaw. Does it really matter if you update your server in March one year, and September the next? I don't get it.
Everyone point you raise is completely inaccurate and misleading. I can understand being a fan of a certain system you use, but let's try to be more factual next time.
I think the difference is simply in the number of files and the time period.
torrent: open for only a few hours and for a single download. Usually for recent tv shows.
amule: on 24/7 and am sharing out all of my anime fansubs(2000-ish individual files). Some of them over a decade old.
My overall upload bandwidth is throttled to about the same level for each, but the upload bandwidth for ed2k is distributed amongst my entire collection of files. Therefore people have to wait a lot longer to get a particular chunk of a particular file from me via ed2k.
So, they both have their place. torrent is appropriately named and is great for newly popular content. ed2k is great for getting the fansubs of a 95 episode anime that aired on japanese tv 10 years ago.:)
Yeah, that's what this guy got the grant for; to research both this sugar-eating,hydrogen-producing bacteria and the cellulose-eating, sugar-producing bacteria. Although using the sugars to make ethanol may be more efficient than feeding it to the hydrogen-producing bacteria.:)
Several people in this thread have mentioned negative memories being so important you shouldn't get rid of them. But you all seem to neglect the fact that we humans naturally forget negative things about ourselves or that we have experienced.
Every network I've been on and even some of my current company's ISPs have a policy of blocking all traffic on smb/nmb ports (e.g. 137 and 139). Those types of filters prevent anyone following a smb:// link outside their network which prevented that last exploit. Is this new exploit in the same category?
I think this default filtering is from way back in the day when remote MS Windows SMB/NMB exploits were a dime a dozen and/or network admins wanted to make sure files weren't being shared to the world.
MUME was - and surprisingly still is! - one of the best. I still fondly recall my deadly battles with the crafty orcs, trolls, and black numenoreans or standing watch at guard towers or tracking footprints so I could inform my fellow elves, humans, dwarves, hobbits about the movements of a raiding party.(I played a legendary Elven scout named Vosh many years ago) The non-PvP parts were great, too; the world was so huge since so many people around the earth have contributed to it(Tolkien has been translated into 30+ languages, so many international fans). I loved exploring it and I also recall my fast-beating heart the first time I had to sneak into Moria for a quest and heard the BOOOM, BOOOM, BOOM, of the Orcish wardrums.
You can see a lot of features in modern MMOs - like WoW and of course LotRO - that existed in MUME 15 years ago. A war between player characters of different races(and you usually lost all your eq when you died:), a warpoint system specifically for pvp kills separate from xp, a questing system, travel points, gathering herbs to make potions, fishing, even the drunk feature which would insert random *hic*s and agrble your words when you spoke,:)
http://mume.org/ Might want to try it out if you want a free game or to see something of the beginning of these types of games. I see that folks have even developed some graphical addons for representing/mapping the rooms of the text-based world.
Did you know that one of the reasons we eat meat and dairy products was that they provide the so-called essential amino acids that human bodies can't make? (Me neither until I just read about it.:)
Having three wheels apparently means that it gets legally classified as a motorcycle so they don't have to meet all the same legal requirements cars do for emissions, crash tests, etc. (although they are doing car-type safety/crash tests anyway)
After the African US embassy attacks Clinton also launched a bunch of cruise missiles trying to kill Bin Laden at training camps in Afghanistan that he was at. Apparently they missed him by a couple hours. It's strange how many Bush supporters like to pretend that Clinton did nothing. It's not invading a country, but it seems to me like it was a far more appropriate response. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile_strikes_on_Afghanistan_and_Sudan_(August_1998)
Don't forget that this comes after last year's $3.1 billion purchase of doubleclick which was under scrutiny because of the power in the online advertising market it gave them and had to be approved by the anti-trust regulators in the US and in Europe.
I also see they bought a Russian online advertising company a few months ago:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Google
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Actually, Herr Diesel's engine was designed to - and did - run on coal dust. But he did experiment with using peanut and vegetable oils. :)
>> But what *IS* the internet?
> It's the largest equivalence class in the reflexive transitive
> symmetric closure of the relationship "can be reached by an IP
> packet from". --Seth Breidbart
I saved this from a NANOG post years ago. :) It might have even been in a discussion about previous cogent/level3 depeering games of chicken.
Ok, I admit my ignorance of ubuntu support periods. I assumed the ubuntu fanboy I was replying to would have corrected the 18 month statement he quoted if it was wrong. Wow, though, with ubuntu's fast release cycle that means they are supplying security/bugfix patches for over a dozen versions simultaneously?
uhm, what makes you think that debian testing has no support? Whenever there is a security patch, my testing workstation gets it just the same as my debian stable servers. The difference is that testing gets the security and bugfix patches *and* new feature/version updates, whereas debian stable *only* gets the security and critical bugfix patches.
If the whole point of a patent is to give someone exclusive rights to their invention for a limited time, why do we have a system that takes 10 years just to get a patent at all?
Are these excessive "patent pending" periods part of a ploy to lengthen the "limited time"?
Maybe you just mean that Debian/Ubuntu "offically support" apt-get dist-upgrade, whereas Fedora/RHEL/CentOS don't, yet, for various reasons ... which while valid is much less so in a real company setting, IMO.
:)
Unless you are a real company actually cares about downtime of their live servers. A dist-upgrade is much less downtime and less error prone because you can do it yourself to remote servers rather than having to trust a data center monkey with an rhel upgrade via cd/dvd. This was a large factor in moving my company's server clusters from rhel to debian. (rackspace will install debian for you, btw, even though they don't officially offer it.
I'm not surprised the ubuntu fabois would be out in force in this thread spreading FUD.
You are seriously trying to argue that the ubuntu lts 18 month support is somehow longer than the debian stable support which is 1 year after the release of the next version and new stable release do not happen within the same year so it's always more than 24 months?
Furthermore, you don't need support(in the security/major bugfix sense) for a single debian stable release for very long time periods because you can upgrade to the current stable release very smoothly - and guess what - it's still stable.
Nor do I understand your insistence that not having a predictable release cycle is such a terrible flaw. Does it really matter if you update your server in March one year, and September the next? I don't get it.
Oh look, 700-ish companies providing commercial debian support: http://www.debian.org/consultants/
Everyone point you raise is completely inaccurate and misleading. I can understand being a fan of a certain system you use, but let's try to be more factual next time.
Are you saying you are going to drink his milkshake? ;)
I think the difference is simply in the number of files and the time period.
torrent: open for only a few hours and for a single download. Usually for recent tv shows.
amule: on 24/7 and am sharing out all of my anime fansubs(2000-ish individual files). Some of them over a decade old.
My overall upload bandwidth is throttled to about the same level for each, but the upload bandwidth for ed2k is distributed amongst my entire collection of files. Therefore people have to wait a lot longer to get a particular chunk of a particular file from me via ed2k.
So, they both have their place. torrent is appropriately named and is great for newly popular content. ed2k is great for getting the fansubs of a 95 episode anime that aired on japanese tv 10 years ago. :)
That's proprietary information. ;)
Uhm, did you people really just moderate a "Gore invented the internet" comment +5,Informative?
Yeah, that's what this guy got the grant for; to research both this sugar-eating,hydrogen-producing bacteria and the cellulose-eating, sugar-producing bacteria. Although using the sugars to make ethanol may be more efficient than feeding it to the hydrogen-producing bacteria. :)
Several people in this thread have mentioned negative memories being so important you shouldn't get rid of them. But you all seem to neglect the fact that we humans naturally forget negative things about ourselves or that we have experienced.
No, forgetting would not be devolution - it would be perfectly normal. In fact, you could even say that we evolved to be forgetful. ;)
My counter to that tag was "correlationisnotcaucasian". ;)
Much like the last SMB exploit?
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/29/1844246
Every network I've been on and even some of my current company's ISPs have a policy of blocking all traffic on smb/nmb ports (e.g. 137 and 139).
Those types of filters prevent anyone following a smb:// link outside their network which prevented that last exploit. Is this new exploit in the same category?
I think this default filtering is from way back in the day when remote MS Windows SMB/NMB exploits were a dime a dozen and/or network admins wanted to make sure files weren't being shared to the world.
Debian stable does ship with ssh off by default.
It's so the police can prove they are the bigger,stronger gang.
"Round numbers are always false."
-- Samuel Johnson
MUME was - and surprisingly still is! - one of the best. I still fondly recall my deadly battles with the crafty orcs, trolls, and black numenoreans or standing watch at guard towers or tracking footprints so I could inform my fellow elves, humans, dwarves, hobbits about the movements of a raiding party.(I played a legendary Elven scout named Vosh many years ago)
The non-PvP parts were great, too; the world was so huge since so many people around the earth have contributed to it(Tolkien has been translated into 30+ languages, so many international fans). I loved exploring it and I also recall my fast-beating heart the first time I had to sneak into Moria for a quest and heard the BOOOM, BOOOM, BOOM, of the Orcish wardrums.
You can see a lot of features in modern MMOs - like WoW and of course LotRO - that existed in MUME 15 years ago. A war between player characters of different races(and you usually lost all your eq when you died :), a warpoint system specifically for pvp kills separate from xp, a questing system, travel points, gathering herbs to make potions, fishing, even the drunk feature which would insert random *hic*s and agrble your words when you spoke, :)
http://mume.org/
Might want to try it out if you want a free game or to see something of the beginning of these types of games. I see that folks have even developed some graphical addons for representing/mapping the rooms of the text-based world.
Did you know that one of the reasons we eat meat and dairy products was that they provide the so-called essential amino acids that human bodies can't make? (Me neither until I just read about it. :)
Having three wheels apparently means that it gets legally classified as a motorcycle so they don't have to meet all the same legal requirements cars do for emissions, crash tests, etc. (although they are doing car-type safety/crash tests anyway)
Why does the FBI publicize the names of their undercover agents?
After the African US embassy attacks Clinton also launched a bunch of cruise missiles trying to kill Bin Laden at training camps in Afghanistan that he was at. Apparently they missed him by a couple hours. It's strange how many Bush supporters like to pretend that Clinton did nothing. It's not invading a country, but it seems to me like it was a far more appropriate response. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile_strikes_on_Afghanistan_and_Sudan_(August_1998)
Don't forget that this comes after last year's $3.1 billion purchase of doubleclick which was under scrutiny because of the power in the online advertising market it gave them and had to be approved by the anti-trust regulators in the US and in Europe.
I also see they bought a Russian online advertising company a few months ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Google
"Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -- George Carlin