Although bricks may be the basic building blocks of many buildings they are not much without something to hold them together - you could whip up as much strands of DNA as you want, but it wouldnt do much good without all the other stuff cell around it.
This does not discount what these scientists are doing at all, but unfortunatly it is going to give the ID dolts more reason to force their religious views on the children in US schools - "hey - if we can do it whats to prevent {INSERT FICTIONAL DIETY HERE} from doing it". Anyhow, as the universe is full of unlimited possibilities science theoretically leaves room for a "god" but in their minds there is room for nothing else.
Unfortunatly it must be done through javascript YOURELEMENT.style.filter="progid:DXIma geTransform. Microsoft.Alpha(opacity=YOUROPACITY)"; YOUROPACIT Y should be between 0 & 100, and it seems to be a bit funky when working on floated elements (but putting an elements position to fixed inside a floated element seems to fix that)
Actually you could have rejected the cards - by Visa's bylaws the card must be signed to be valid, and technically people are not allowed to check ID's if the cards are signed. It also does not matter if the signatures don't match up. As you mentioned there's 0 liability for the consumer, the bank (or the banks insurance) will eat the fradulent charges.
At first tracking people in anyway seems bad - on a second thought though, their children & keeping track of them is something the adults responsible for them should be doing, hell imbed gps trackers in the bastards so if they get abducted/break a leg playing in a ditch etc you can find the little bastards. Of course that also leads to the fact that the government will probably be able to track them too, which is not a good thing to me.
Of course, that dosn't address the fact that in this case they were using the RFID tags to "inventory" the children for attendance etc, rather than keep track of where they are, which really shows that the school just dosn't want to own up to doing the leg work of knowing where the kids are (in my opinion, a grade school teacher should be able to look at their class and know who's their/missing if not the class is too big {not really the teachers fault}).
I hardly see how keeping track of "inventory" should be applied to children, but I don't see a responsible party tracking where they are while their under their watch is bad, except for the damn black helicoptors that will use it as well.
If you want XHTML+css to work with explorer your looking at all sorts of hacks just to get it to work for IE - course,one page is good for all the others;).
There's also some things that are to usefull to pass up like XMLHttpRequest objects which let you use javascript to dump content into a page without a visable trip back to the server (which I think gmail makes use of). I guess the opera 7.60 beta's support it, but the gecko family & KHTML family support it & explorer has an equivilant that functions exactly the same.
It may be there, but it's still far more painfull. Have you ever tried to automate a task that can only be done in a gui? (personally, I havn't but I have hear horror stories of how painfull and un-effective it can be). But with cli stuff it's relativly painless - say company xyz needs to automate end of day processes that require action based on predictable output (like logging off users that forgot to sign off), it gets really complicated telling a computer how to point and click when the app your working with dosn't have any nifty MS bindings. Say the same app connect to a box where there's a cli interface available (for this example one big ncurses program, worst case senario) - you can break out an expect script that runs the main program, interacts with it easily & does whats required to list all the signed on users (wich may include lots of usless garbage as well), pipe that output through a shell script that uses awk to pick out approprite lines & execute another expect script to sign off those users, or blow up gracefully if anything goes wrong. Might be kind of a silly example, but I can't imagine tryig to tell a computer how to point and click through it, but was able to kludge it through with the text based interface.
How many lawyers do you know practicing law do you know doing it just because their "competent enough to get paid"? Granted, it would be a peachy keen world if everyone could do what they loved for a living, but there are plenty of fields with a much higher entry barrier than toilet scrubbing.
Usually the people that do sucseed in said fields do so not only from a monetary motivation, but because it's something they actually want to do as well, and often are better at it than the next schmuck as a result.
After the crash I have met plenty of IT people who got into it just for the money out of work, but few of the ones I know who were in the field because they liked it had problems getting a new job or keeping what they had. I think the whole point of Linus's statement could be applied to almost all of IT in that it is starting to demand real quality, and that Joe toiletscrubber can't just go attend a short class to get an a++ cert & upgrade careers to get a new lexus as a result. (that could probably be worded much better, hopefully that makes a little bit of sense at least though)
Agreed. Although for various political/people tend to be shallow minded reasons I don't think it ever would. Perhaps my idea of AI has been influnced by far to many sci-fi shows/books but I don't think DARPA would have any inhibitions about creating or funding a sentiant program that could amass amazing amounts of knowledge by being able to screw up and learn from it really fast (the ability to learn from language or anything else being a step).
Why not? If people are getting to the point of writing software that can learn from natural language it shouldn't be to far fetched to put in some rewards and consequences - it answers wrong, and give it the equivalnt of "NO, BAD COMPUTER", or "good stupid machine...". After a human infant has gotten itself to the point that it can comprehend it's environment thats basically how we all learn, hopefully from the examples of predissors but most of us still kick ourselvs in the face doing it the hard way for ourselvs.
Plus, the developers in said situation being god and all to the computer the "punishment" could just be a minus on a score card and it would be "harmfull" because thats how it's programmed and vis versa, no loss of limb, life, face etc that go with our real mistakes. Getting it to "learn" would be the hardest part.
Course, once it learns were not god were screwed...
If you mean define AI as making correct assumtions based on given data that is not natural to computers then the algorithm's don't matter. But to the something fitting the "Skynet" definition it dosn't matter so much that it spits out the right answers, but that it becomes self aware (IE my cat has more "intellegence" than a program that always spits out the right answers because he can learn from his enviornment, adjust to it, and react occordingly {or completly ignore it since he's a cat.}, even though theres no chance of him adding 1+1). I'm guessing DARPA is more looking for your definition, although it may be through a version of the second exposed to massive quantities of data.
You have spankings left to complete... Can someone please read the article and give me a summary? It's far to late in the redneck infested mid west USA to give a shit.
Next up, Joe six pack watches his mom get stuck in the bum and whacks off to IE inhanced internet porn.
Seriously, they should have put a cap on the inbreading when the south lost the war.
As a previous poster mentioned - consult your attorney. On that note, I shall rant. I think the LGPL is absolutly fantastic, code should be shared and open. But, on the same note, if I want to link with libraries on my machine then by all means I should be able to do so. No one is prevented from linking to the ultra secret windows dll's, you just need to figure out how they work. On the other hand, GPL says "even if you don't touch the code your freedom is limited by not being able to link to this if you don't abid by free code, not only free code, but the GNU definition of free code" (paraphrased). I dunno, prolly been drinking to much, but the "anoying BSD advertising clause" really makes a lot more sense then all the "even some free/open source licenses are not good enough" clause. RMS is no longer a good thing ®. Lots to thanks him for, but an idea is nothing without effective implementation (which requires a -working/functional- kernel for those Hurd people). Flaimbait, maybe, but personally, I don't see a damn reason my shit cant act the way it wants, even if that means consuming/linking other strands of magnetic bits on my box.
Not talk to sun any more because they use proprietary software to develop an open platform. </flaimbait>
Sorry, I know he has done a tremendous amount for the community, but no where near what Linus has.
Asides from that, Sun has been far friendlier to the open source community (read loose definition of open source, not free software) in being a little bit open about their stuff - IE acedemic licenses for access to solaris code (could be wrong there, if so, sorry but seem to remember it), java being open to examine (although it would be better to be able to release modifications without their approval) etc. Sun may be a concearn, but I think they would be one of the last.
exactly - or if you prefer to use gui tools on your local station break out port forwarding - `ssh -L 3306:localhost:3306 you@yourserver` and point your local clients at your workstation.
But after reading some of the article I'm now curious - has any research been done regarding factors other than genetics being responsible for a persons capability for intellegence? IE it mentions how a fetal brain may devolope itself by canning synapsis that don't fire when they should. Perhaps using synapsis more could actually help the brain make itself better by doing away with stuff that dosn't work as well as it should?
Without RTFA my fist instint is to say why post anything related to natural language on slashdot? But the truth is, as a sysadming/webmaster/anything that plugs into an outlet for a small credit union I am appalled at the way people want to write on the web. It's hard to describe, but see (for the moment) this for a crippled example (yeah, a work site published externally, FSCK'ing horrible - more where that came from). Anyhow, it seems the second people publish shit one the web they give up on grammer/puncuation etc - in the included link originally draft had every link capitolized. No bold, color or anything - fuck it, aparently it's OK to throw proper grammer to the wind if it's on the web, even if the purpose is to manage peoples retirement. ARGH.
side note - my bad grammer/spelling is OK only because I'm a FUCKING CODER. I don't want to hear from the grammer/spelling Nazis on the text of this post.
anyhow - slight possibility of feedback on a complelty offsubject page I'm working on, here. Break it, fuck with it whatever.
Jon.
yeah - guess I'm just more confused about how the decision even got their in the first place though. Section 16(3) of some law somewhere (sorry, googled de minimas rule) states: "infringement must involve the whole or any substantial part of the work" - granted the substantial part of is up to intrepretation, but aparently the lower courts said the de minimas rule dosn't apply to music. If the supreme court dosnt overturn this based on that I will be really depressed, even though I can't say weather they did or did not sample a substantial part as I have not seen or heard the works in question, but it's depressing enough that it has to go to the highest us court because a lower court suddenly decides a portion of a law dosn't apply to one medium just because.
And here I thought that the courts were only supposed to interprete the law while congress made it - isn't throwing out a section of copy right law completly out of bounds for the courts, or am I completely missing something?
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Although bricks may be the basic building blocks of many buildings they are not much without something to hold them together - you could whip up as much strands of DNA as you want, but it wouldnt do much good without all the other stuff cell around it.
This does not discount what these scientists are doing at all, but unfortunatly it is going to give the ID dolts more reason to force their religious views on the children in US schools - "hey - if we can do it whats to prevent {INSERT FICTIONAL DIETY HERE} from doing it". Anyhow, as the universe is full of unlimited possibilities science theoretically leaves room for a "god" but in their minds there is room for nothing else.
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Actually you could have rejected the cards - by Visa's bylaws the card must be signed to be valid, and technically people are not allowed to check ID's if the cards are signed. It also does not matter if the signatures don't match up. As you mentioned there's 0 liability for the consumer, the bank (or the banks insurance) will eat the fradulent charges.
At first tracking people in anyway seems bad - on a second thought though, their children & keeping track of them is something the adults responsible for them should be doing, hell imbed gps trackers in the bastards so if they get abducted/break a leg playing in a ditch etc you can find the little bastards. Of course that also leads to the fact that the government will probably be able to track them too, which is not a good thing to me.
Of course, that dosn't address the fact that in this case they were using the RFID tags to "inventory" the children for attendance etc, rather than keep track of where they are, which really shows that the school just dosn't want to own up to doing the leg work of knowing where the kids are (in my opinion, a grade school teacher should be able to look at their class and know who's their/missing if not the class is too big {not really the teachers fault}).
I hardly see how keeping track of "inventory" should be applied to children, but I don't see a responsible party tracking where they are while their under their watch is bad, except for the damn black helicoptors that will use it as well.
If you want XHTML+css to work with explorer your looking at all sorts of hacks just to get it to work for IE - course,one page is good for all the others ;).
There's also some things that are to usefull to pass up like XMLHttpRequest objects which let you use javascript to dump content into a page without a visable trip back to the server (which I think gmail makes use of). I guess the opera 7.60 beta's support it, but the gecko family & KHTML family support it & explorer has an equivilant that functions exactly the same.
It may be there, but it's still far more painfull. Have you ever tried to automate a task that can only be done in a gui? (personally, I havn't but I have hear horror stories of how painfull and un-effective it can be). But with cli stuff it's relativly painless - say company xyz needs to automate end of day processes that require action based on predictable output (like logging off users that forgot to sign off), it gets really complicated telling a computer how to point and click when the app your working with dosn't have any nifty MS bindings. Say the same app connect to a box where there's a cli interface available (for this example one big ncurses program, worst case senario) - you can break out an expect script that runs the main program, interacts with it easily & does whats required to list all the signed on users (wich may include lots of usless garbage as well), pipe that output through a shell script that uses awk to pick out approprite lines & execute another expect script to sign off those users, or blow up gracefully if anything goes wrong. Might be kind of a silly example, but I can't imagine tryig to tell a computer how to point and click through it, but was able to kludge it through with the text based interface.
How many lawyers do you know practicing law do you know doing it just because their "competent enough to get paid"? Granted, it would be a peachy keen world if everyone could do what they loved for a living, but there are plenty of fields with a much higher entry barrier than toilet scrubbing.
Usually the people that do sucseed in said fields do so not only from a monetary motivation, but because it's something they actually want to do as well, and often are better at it than the next schmuck as a result.
After the crash I have met plenty of IT people who got into it just for the money out of work, but few of the ones I know who were in the field because they liked it had problems getting a new job or keeping what they had. I think the whole point of Linus's statement could be applied to almost all of IT in that it is starting to demand real quality, and that Joe toiletscrubber can't just go attend a short class to get an a++ cert & upgrade careers to get a new lexus as a result. (that could probably be worded much better, hopefully that makes a little bit of sense at least though)
Agreed. Although for various political/people tend to be shallow minded reasons I don't think it ever would. Perhaps my idea of AI has been influnced by far to many sci-fi shows/books but I don't think DARPA would have any inhibitions about creating or funding a sentiant program that could amass amazing amounts of knowledge by being able to screw up and learn from it really fast (the ability to learn from language or anything else being a step).
Why not? If people are getting to the point of writing software that can learn from natural language it shouldn't be to far fetched to put in some rewards and consequences - it answers wrong, and give it the equivalnt of "NO, BAD COMPUTER", or "good stupid machine...". After a human infant has gotten itself to the point that it can comprehend it's environment thats basically how we all learn, hopefully from the examples of predissors but most of us still kick ourselvs in the face doing it the hard way for ourselvs.
Plus, the developers in said situation being god and all to the computer the "punishment" could just be a minus on a score card and it would be "harmfull" because thats how it's programmed and vis versa, no loss of limb, life, face etc that go with our real mistakes. Getting it to "learn" would be the hardest part.
Course, once it learns were not god were screwed...
If you mean define AI as making correct assumtions based on given data that is not natural to computers then the algorithm's don't matter. But to the something fitting the "Skynet" definition it dosn't matter so much that it spits out the right answers, but that it becomes self aware (IE my cat has more "intellegence" than a program that always spits out the right answers because he can learn from his enviornment, adjust to it, and react occordingly {or completly ignore it since he's a cat.}, even though theres no chance of him adding 1+1). I'm guessing DARPA is more looking for your definition, although it may be through a version of the second exposed to massive quantities of data.
You have spankings left to complete... Can someone please read the article and give me a summary? It's far to late in the redneck infested mid west USA to give a shit.
Next up, Joe six pack watches his mom get stuck in the bum and whacks off to IE inhanced internet porn.
Seriously, they should have put a cap on the inbreading when the south lost the war.
As a previous poster mentioned - consult your attorney. On that note, I shall rant. I think the LGPL is absolutly fantastic, code should be shared and open. But, on the same note, if I want to link with libraries on my machine then by all means I should be able to do so. No one is prevented from linking to the ultra secret windows dll's, you just need to figure out how they work. On the other hand, GPL says "even if you don't touch the code your freedom is limited by not being able to link to this if you don't abid by free code, not only free code, but the GNU definition of free code" (paraphrased). I dunno, prolly been drinking to much, but the "anoying BSD advertising clause" really makes a lot more sense then all the "even some free/open source licenses are not good enough" clause. RMS is no longer a good thing ®. Lots to thanks him for, but an idea is nothing without effective implementation (which requires a -working/functional- kernel for those Hurd people). Flaimbait, maybe, but personally, I don't see a damn reason my shit cant act the way it wants, even if that means consuming/linking other strands of magnetic bits on my box.
Not talk to sun any more because they use proprietary software to develop an open platform.
</flaimbait>
Sorry, I know he has done a tremendous amount for the community, but no where near what Linus has.
Asides from that, Sun has been far friendlier to the open source community (read loose definition of open source, not free software) in being a little bit open about their stuff - IE acedemic licenses for access to solaris code (could be wrong there, if so, sorry but seem to remember it), java being open to examine (although it would be better to be able to release modifications without their approval) etc. Sun may be a concearn, but I think they would be one of the last.
exactly - or if you prefer to use gui tools on your local station break out port forwarding - `ssh -L 3306:localhost:3306 you@yourserver` and point your local clients at your workstation.
But after reading some of the article I'm now curious - has any research been done regarding factors other than genetics being responsible for a persons capability for intellegence? IE it mentions how a fetal brain may devolope itself by canning synapsis that don't fire when they should. Perhaps using synapsis more could actually help the brain make itself better by doing away with stuff that dosn't work as well as it should?
Without RTFA my fist instint is to say why post anything related to natural language on slashdot? But the truth is, as a sysadming/webmaster/anything that plugs into an outlet for a small credit union I am appalled at the way people want to write on the web. It's hard to describe, but see (for the moment) this for a crippled example (yeah, a work site published externally, FSCK'ing horrible - more where that came from). Anyhow, it seems the second people publish shit one the web they give up on grammer/puncuation etc - in the included link originally draft had every link capitolized. No bold, color or anything - fuck it, aparently it's OK to throw proper grammer to the wind if it's on the web, even if the purpose is to manage peoples retirement. ARGH.
side note - my bad grammer/spelling is OK only because I'm a FUCKING CODER. I don't want to hear from the grammer/spelling Nazis on the text of this post.
anyhow - slight possibility of feedback on a complelty offsubject page I'm working on, here. Break it, fuck with it whatever. Jon.
yeah - guess I'm just more confused about how the decision even got their in the first place though. Section 16(3) of some law somewhere (sorry, googled de minimas rule) states: "infringement must involve the whole or any substantial part of the work" - granted the substantial part of is up to intrepretation, but aparently the lower courts said the de minimas rule dosn't apply to music. If the supreme court dosnt overturn this based on that I will be really depressed, even though I can't say weather they did or did not sample a substantial part as I have not seen or heard the works in question, but it's depressing enough that it has to go to the highest us court because a lower court suddenly decides a portion of a law dosn't apply to one medium just because.
And here I thought that the courts were only supposed to interprete the law while congress made it - isn't throwing out a section of copy right law completly out of bounds for the courts, or am I completely missing something?
That someone condemned it. Now if we can just get them to pull the plug on 2k and XP....