He has also been consistenly against the war. I am proud to say that he represents me. Yeah, not for long though. We're kidnapping him and bringing him to Illinois. Heck, we might need to clone him;-)
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I didn't have the honor of reading the original flamewar.
He used it twice. He meant it. And it is an incredibly accurate term to use with respect to the Bush administration's manipulation of policy and perception. Under the diseased system of government of today, we who question and seek accountability are the enemy.
I hate Bush as much as any decent human being, but you really need to expand the blame to include pretty much the entire post World War 2 US foreign policy. Ike laid it out pretty clearly
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
The problems with the weapons industry have long been clear. What you're seeing here is other industries trying to expand their membership in the club. Socialized costs and privatized profits are a very real problem, no matter the industry.
Whoa, really?! Which article is that? I don't see why you find this amusing. I'd feel gratified -- you must have done something right to get cited by Wikipedia. More power to you!
It's quite possible that what was referenced was a totally sarcastic thing he had put up or maybe he had some other funny nonsense that was referenced as legit information.
I'm curious too, but it's understandable if he doesn't care to put it up here.
He was, and is, furious that they weren't allowed to actually do anything meaningful about the intelligence they were coming across.
Yes, which if you had actually bothered to look at the reasons for this, they were expressed quite clearly by O'Neill: "The main obstacles to investigate Islamic terrorism were US oil corporate interests, and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it,"
In fact he resigned from the FBI because he believed that the Bush administration had stymied the intelligence agency's investigations on terrorism.
So call Clinton incompetent all you want, but doing so in order to defend Bush who was actively involved with *interfering* with the terrorist investigations in order to protect his friends who are tied deeply into it is such an insanely amoral and utterly disgusting action as to defy rationality.
What makes you think I'm extreme, or right wing?
You're clearly both. You have at every opportunity I've seen leapt to the defense of Bush's actions and reasoning even though you have been proven wrong time and time again. When Iraq was all about WMds you were there defending nonsense lies. Once the lies were demonstrated, you were there leaping to the defense of the "liberation" hogwash. Hell, I knew for a fact since the day Bush was elected that we were going to war with Iraq. The members of the administration stated flat out while Clinton was still in office that they wanted to invade Iraq in order to ensure future US world domination and only needed a pearl harbor type situation to allow them to manipulate the American people into buying it. It's still up on their website for Christ's sake.
So, yes. Given the fact that you have continually spread misinformation in order to deceive your fellow Americans and to advance flat out treasonous actions, I think extremist nutjob is hardly a starting point for an accurate description.
When the administration committed treason by revealing the identity of a CIA operative, there you were claiming insider knowledge and stating that all the reporters already knew the identity and that nobody from the administration would have done such a thing.
When the first news of torture came out, there you were whitewashing it. Now we have the AG promoting torture and Bush claiming that he will veto anti torture legislation and a string of torture camps throughout Europe. So again you were wrong. Again, you were on the side fighting tooth and nail against basic human decency.
Damn dude.
I'm a patriot because I find that our country is, on balance, a better and more liberty-minded place than any that history has ever produced or sustained, and I support those that seek to preserve its place in the world
I'll have to disagree. You're not a patriot because you actively work to hide the truth. You actively seek to spread disinformation. You are an active supporter of the torture of people without even any regard as to their guilt or innocence. You also demonstrate a serious ignorance of US foreign policy if you can state that nonsense with a straight face. Torture schools in Central America? Assassination and overthrow of democratically elected leaders in order to establish brutal right wing dictatorships who proceeded to murder massive amounts of their own population with our smiling support since they were favorable to US corporate interests? Damn dude. You either haven't the faintest clue about the USs actions in the last century, or you do and again support torture and murder as long as it boosts profits. Seriously, dude, how is that not an extremist right wing terrorist supporting nutjob?
But that doesn't make clamping down on suicidal, murderous retro-medieval Islamo-fascism any less important, and at least he's stepping up.
Were that happening, you'd have a point, but he is actively working to promote islamo fascism. As long as he steps up it's good?!? Heaven forbid he actua
You can't compare extra hours. Teachers do a lot of work outside hours, too.
I don't think you seem to realise that I'm not talking about the teacher issue at all. I'm not arguing with you about it, nor do I have any interest in doing so. All I'm curious about is where these jobs are today that include a lunch hour as part of the 8 hours as opposed to being 8 hours *plus* lunch. Like I said, I heard about them when I was a kid, and peope still talk about them, but I've neven even known anybody who had one.
If you don't feel like answering, then that's certainly your prerogative, but why you feel the need to keep harping on a point I've never expressed any disagreement with (hint: I have an ex girlfriend who's a teacher) is completely beyond me.
I am against corporations (anarchocapitalists usually are). Can you provide a reference for this? I was always under the impression that they had no problem with corporations, rather they opposed any sort of restriction on them which has always been my primary problem with the philosophy.
If I'm mistaken on this, I'll have to reassess my thoughts on the matter.
A traditonal eight hour day has these hours in it:
9-10 10-11 11-12 12-1 1-2 2-3 3-4 4-5
I'm aware of what hours are and the like. My point is that you left out 5-6. Like I said, I heard about such a thing as 9-5 with an hour for lunch, but I've never spoken to anybody who actually worked such hours. It's always 8-5 or 9-6 or the like.
That's why I asked where you worked that you actually got to work such hours.
Money makes complete sense when you read Rothbard.
I'm not prepared to argue any of the points, but I am in the middle of reading it and thought I'd share a funny (to me) coincidence.
I'm at the point where he is discussing where America fully abandoned the gold standard and he talks about the various assumptions people had about how gold would drop below the level it was "held up at" by the dollar. So on a whim, I googled "current price of gold" and pulled up one story about it going above $500 an ounce and the next was about it hitting $525. The "ridiculous" price guessed by somebody at the time in the linked article was $70.
Like I said, I'm just relating a funny story, but your post did inspire it, so I thought I'd share it;-)
Oh, wait. I screwed up. You see, teachers don't get lunch breaks, or, at least, not hour long ones.
Where the heck do you work where your lunch counts against your 8 hours?!? I've heard about that sort of thing watching black and white TV, but never heard about it in the real world in my entire life.
In the Air Force, at least, when I was in (1989-1997) it was at the base commander's discretion whether to allow 18-20-year-old airmen to drink
Do you know how this was determined? I mean presumably that was the policy of the Air Force, but are civilian laws relevant there? It's just curious since it's civilian law that makes it illegal to drink under 21 so if it doesn't apply to the base, then why the need to even have a policy? If it does apply to the base, then would there need to be a special civilian law stating that the base commander can make the distinction?
I know, laws are confusing enough and mixing them with military law could cause a serious headache, but it just struck me as a curiousity.
He was probably too busy dealing with the terrorist attacks on the embassies in Africa, or the attack on the USS Cole... oh, wait, no, he wasn't busy doing anything along those lines, either.
I assume, of course, you mean nothing besides:
Sending over John O'Neill, director of counterterrorism for the FBI's New York office as head of an FBI team. Accompanying O'Neill to Yemen were over 100 FBI agents, laboratory experts and forensics specialists, as well as FBI Director Louis J. Freeh. He was convinced that OBL was in fact responsible. He was also convinced that all the answers were to be found in Saudi Arabia, which was why as soon as Bush got into power he blocked all investigation along those lines. Including refusing to allow John O'Neill, head of the investigation back into Yemen after he had returned home for the holidays.
That's actually quite a lot given that the bombing took place in October of 2000. Wouldn't want to allow any facts to get in the way of a nasty little anti-Clinton rant, now would you? Especially since the facts all point to Clinton actively supporting the investigation and Bush protecting his good terrorist buddies, the Saudis.
The arrest and subsequent prosecution of a number of the perpetrators in the Embassy bombings are, of course, also nothing.
Where you extremist right wing nutjobs get off defending terrorists yet claiming patriotism is so far beyond rationality as to sicken any decent person.
I mean can't you at least *try* to make up a believable lie?!?
why woudl a company run a credit check on an applicant?
I was contracting for a Credit Union, and they offered me a full time position contingent on background, drug and credit checks. I took the position, and my credit was kind of messed up mainly due to late student loan payments. That was a real concern to them, but I had gotten back on track with it and I had the documentation to prove it so while it was a concern, it wasn't an automatic failure.
I didn't end up getting along all that well with my boss after a while, so three years down the road when I was leaving for a better position and put in my 2 weeks I fully expected to be walked out immediately in part because it is a financial institution and in part because of the mutual dislike between my boss and I. I wasn't though probably largely due to the fact that they considered themselves a windows shop even though their core system is AIX. So I was the only person with any knowledge of UNIX in the entire company. I still have several friends there, so when they hired another programmer, they thought it was funny to tease me that they "replaced" me with another all windows guy. Of course, they still call me up with questions like "Ummmm... we FTPd a file over and the permissions are wrong. How do we fix that".
On a side note - exit interviews are great when drunk - I highly recommend it as an experience! I became far more honest than I would have been if sober *grin*
If the company is serious about using exit interviews to improve the company, they might even consider this a positive thing as well.
Maybe it's what foreigners say when they make fun of our habits.
So you're saying that you guys have a habit of pointing your nose in a certain direction and wiggling your butts around while maintaining the direction your nose is pointing?!?
I mean whatever makes you happy, but I hope you're not surprised that people make fun of you for it;-)
Also, please don't try to get that accepted as an olympic sport. Curling is quite enough sillyness thanks.
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He has also been consistenly against the war. I am proud to say that he represents me. ;-)
Yeah, not for long though.
We're kidnapping him and bringing him to Illinois. Heck, we might need to clone him
I didn't have the honor of reading the original flamewar.
Well, now you can!
He used it twice. He meant it. And it is an incredibly accurate term to use with respect to the Bush administration's manipulation of policy and perception. Under the diseased system of government of today, we who question and seek accountability are the enemy.
I hate Bush as much as any decent human being, but you really need to expand the blame to include pretty much the entire post World War 2 US foreign policy.
Ike laid it out pretty clearly
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
The problems with the weapons industry have long been clear. What you're seeing here is other industries trying to expand their membership in the club.
Socialized costs and privatized profits are a very real problem, no matter the industry.
Hmmm.. Yeah, I guess that does make a a lot of sense when you put it that way.
Thanks for the link as well.
Right on, so it was somewhere kind of along the lines I guessed.
Thanks for responding.
Whoa, really?! Which article is that? I don't see why you find this amusing. I'd feel gratified -- you must have done something right to get cited by Wikipedia. More power to you!
It's quite possible that what was referenced was a totally sarcastic thing he had put up or maybe he had some other funny nonsense that was referenced as legit information.
I'm curious too, but it's understandable if he doesn't care to put it up here.
He didn't die, his brain was transplanted into a black man and he lived in the same resthome as Elvis.
Now, now. There's no need for crazy conspiracy theories.
Everybody knows that Kennedy and Elvis are hanging out with Jimmy Hoffa. They're flying around in Bigfoot's UFO.
Deceptive and disparaging odors?!
So let me see if I have this straight.
Say I were to fart a long drawn out one that sounded through some total fluke like "Leiterfluid kicks puppies and hates kittens", you could sue me?!?
Gotta go buy Beano stock.
He was, and is, furious that they weren't allowed to actually do anything meaningful about the intelligence they were coming across.
Yes, which if you had actually bothered to look at the reasons for this, they were expressed quite clearly by O'Neill:
"The main obstacles to investigate Islamic terrorism were US oil corporate interests, and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it,"
In fact he resigned from the FBI because he believed that the Bush administration had stymied the intelligence agency's investigations on terrorism.
So call Clinton incompetent all you want, but doing so in order to defend Bush who was actively involved with *interfering* with the terrorist investigations in order to protect his friends who are tied deeply into it is such an insanely amoral and utterly disgusting action as to defy rationality.
What makes you think I'm extreme, or right wing?
You're clearly both.
You have at every opportunity I've seen leapt to the defense of Bush's actions and reasoning even though you have been proven wrong time and time again.
When Iraq was all about WMds you were there defending nonsense lies.
Once the lies were demonstrated, you were there leaping to the defense of the "liberation" hogwash.
Hell, I knew for a fact since the day Bush was elected that we were going to war with Iraq. The members of the administration stated flat out while Clinton was still in office that they wanted to invade Iraq in order to ensure future US world domination and only needed a pearl harbor type situation to allow them to manipulate the American people into buying it. It's still up on their website for Christ's sake.
So, yes. Given the fact that you have continually spread misinformation in order to deceive your fellow Americans and to advance flat out treasonous actions, I think extremist nutjob is hardly a starting point for an accurate description.
When the administration committed treason by revealing the identity of a CIA operative, there you were claiming insider knowledge and stating that all the reporters already knew the identity and that nobody from the administration would have done such a thing.
When the first news of torture came out, there you were whitewashing it. Now we have the AG promoting torture and Bush claiming that he will veto anti torture legislation and a string of torture camps throughout Europe. So again you were wrong. Again, you were on the side fighting tooth and nail against basic human decency.
Damn dude.
I'm a patriot because I find that our country is, on balance, a better and more liberty-minded place than any that history has ever produced or sustained, and I support those that seek to preserve its place in the world
I'll have to disagree.
You're not a patriot because you actively work to hide the truth.
You actively seek to spread disinformation.
You are an active supporter of the torture of people without even any regard as to their guilt or innocence.
You also demonstrate a serious ignorance of US foreign policy if you can state that nonsense with a straight face.
Torture schools in Central America? Assassination and overthrow of democratically elected leaders in order to establish brutal right wing dictatorships who proceeded to murder massive amounts of their own population with our smiling support since they were favorable to US corporate interests? Damn dude. You either haven't the faintest clue about the USs actions in the last century, or you do and again support torture and murder as long as it boosts profits.
Seriously, dude, how is that not an extremist right wing terrorist supporting nutjob?
But that doesn't make clamping down on suicidal, murderous retro-medieval Islamo-fascism any less important, and at least he's stepping up.
Were that happening, you'd have a point, but he is actively working to promote islamo fascism.
As long as he steps up it's good?!? Heaven forbid he actua
You can't compare extra hours. Teachers do a lot of work outside hours, too.
I don't think you seem to realise that I'm not talking about the teacher issue at all.
I'm not arguing with you about it, nor do I have any interest in doing so.
All I'm curious about is where these jobs are today that include a lunch hour as part of the 8 hours as opposed to being 8 hours *plus* lunch.
Like I said, I heard about them when I was a kid, and peope still talk about them, but I've neven even known anybody who had one.
If you don't feel like answering, then that's certainly your prerogative, but why you feel the need to keep harping on a point I've never expressed any disagreement with (hint: I have an ex girlfriend who's a teacher) is completely beyond me.
I am against corporations (anarchocapitalists usually are).
Can you provide a reference for this?
I was always under the impression that they had no problem with corporations, rather they opposed any sort of restriction on them which has always been my primary problem with the philosophy.
If I'm mistaken on this, I'll have to reassess my thoughts on the matter.
A traditonal eight hour day has these hours in it:
9-10
10-11
11-12
12-1
1-2
2-3
3-4
4-5
I'm aware of what hours are and the like. My point is that you left out 5-6.
Like I said, I heard about such a thing as 9-5 with an hour for lunch, but I've never spoken to anybody who actually worked such hours. It's always 8-5 or 9-6 or the like.
That's why I asked where you worked that you actually got to work such hours.
Well, thanks for the *very* informative answer. ;-)
Consider my curiosity satisfied
Money makes complete sense when you read Rothbard.
;-)
I'm not prepared to argue any of the points, but I am in the middle of reading it and thought I'd share a funny (to me) coincidence.
I'm at the point where he is discussing where America fully abandoned the gold standard and he talks about the various assumptions people had about how gold would drop below the level it was "held up at" by the dollar.
So on a whim, I googled "current price of gold" and pulled up one story about it going above $500 an ounce and the next was about it hitting $525. The "ridiculous" price guessed by somebody at the time in the linked article was $70.
Like I said, I'm just relating a funny story, but your post did inspire it, so I thought I'd share it
Oh, wait. I screwed up. You see, teachers don't get lunch breaks, or, at least, not hour long ones.
Where the heck do you work where your lunch counts against your 8 hours?!?
I've heard about that sort of thing watching black and white TV, but never heard about it in the real world in my entire life.
Welcome to Chicago, where even the dead vote early and often!
In the Air Force, at least, when I was in (1989-1997) it was at the base commander's discretion whether to allow 18-20-year-old airmen to drink
Do you know how this was determined? I mean presumably that was the policy of the Air Force, but are civilian laws relevant there?
It's just curious since it's civilian law that makes it illegal to drink under 21 so if it doesn't apply to the base, then why the need to even have a policy? If it does apply to the base, then would there need to be a special civilian law stating that the base commander can make the distinction?
I know, laws are confusing enough and mixing them with military law could cause a serious headache, but it just struck me as a curiousity.
He was probably too busy dealing with the terrorist attacks on the embassies in Africa, or the attack on the USS Cole... oh, wait, no, he wasn't busy doing anything along those lines, either.
I assume, of course, you mean nothing besides:
Sending over John O'Neill, director of counterterrorism for the FBI's New York office as head of an FBI team. Accompanying O'Neill to Yemen were over 100 FBI agents, laboratory experts and forensics specialists, as well as FBI Director Louis J. Freeh.
He was convinced that OBL was in fact responsible.
He was also convinced that all the answers were to be found in Saudi Arabia, which was why as soon as Bush got into power he blocked all investigation along those lines. Including refusing to allow John O'Neill, head of the investigation back into Yemen after he had returned home for the holidays.
That's actually quite a lot given that the bombing took place in October of 2000. Wouldn't want to allow any facts to get in the way of a nasty little anti-Clinton rant, now would you?
Especially since the facts all point to Clinton actively supporting the investigation and Bush protecting his good terrorist buddies, the Saudis.
The arrest and subsequent prosecution of a number of the perpetrators in the Embassy bombings are, of course, also nothing.
Where you extremist right wing nutjobs get off defending terrorists yet claiming patriotism is so far beyond rationality as to sicken any decent person.
I mean can't you at least *try* to make up a believable lie?!?
why woudl a company run a credit check on an applicant?
I was contracting for a Credit Union, and they offered me a full time position contingent on background, drug and credit checks.
I took the position, and my credit was kind of messed up mainly due to late student loan payments. That was a real concern to them, but I had gotten back on track with it and I had the documentation to prove it so while it was a concern, it wasn't an automatic failure.
I didn't end up getting along all that well with my boss after a while, so three years down the road when I was leaving for a better position and put in my 2 weeks I fully expected to be walked out immediately in part because it is a financial institution and in part because of the mutual dislike between my boss and I.
I wasn't though probably largely due to the fact that they considered themselves a windows shop even though their core system is AIX. So I was the only person with any knowledge of UNIX in the entire company. I still have several friends there, so when they hired another programmer, they thought it was funny to tease me that they "replaced" me with another all windows guy.
Of course, they still call me up with questions like "Ummmm... we FTPd a file over and the permissions are wrong. How do we fix that".
On a side note - exit interviews are great when drunk - I highly recommend it as an experience! I became far more honest than I would have been if sober *grin*
If the company is serious about using exit interviews to improve the company, they might even consider this a positive thing as well.
HR from headquarters called me and explained that they "overpaid me by accident but they did not want me to return the money."
WTF?!?
I'd be worried about that if they only told you that on the phone.
They could be setting you up for a fraud charge.
ROFLMAO.
Well played, Sir!
Maybe it's what foreigners say when they make fun of our habits.
;-)
So you're saying that you guys have a habit of pointing your nose in a certain direction and wiggling your butts around while maintaining the direction your nose is pointing?!?
I mean whatever makes you happy, but I hope you're not surprised that people make fun of you for it
Also, please don't try to get that accepted as an olympic sport. Curling is quite enough sillyness thanks.
I believe that the power of the (strippers) pole rests mostly with the female of our species.
:-)
Then you, my friend, need to learn to use it properly
correlated with intelligence (such as, say, alcoholism...
;-)
Are you saying that those are correlated, or was that just an example?
It would be a pretty fun experiment, regardless