Ahhhh.... so a modified form of TCP rate shaping is used. Interesting notion and excellent idea!
That's really different from the way most products that claim to optimize TCP for modem connections work. I wonder why it hasn't caught on there?
Is there a link for this spec? I'd like to read it - this is really cool stuff.
Agreed - intranetwork control over the TOS bits will work. I'd like to see it work end-to-end, but that would just encourage degradation of/. traffic while corps w/$$$ got immediate delivery.
The modem adds 100ms of latency to each transaction. Period.
Three parts to a TCP handshake, that's 300ms.
Unless TCP-PEP does something about this? If it does, please share.
The TOS bits aren't going to do any good once it hits the open Internet - most routers at peering points ignore the QoS bits because there isn't any incentive for peers to provide better quality of service to a competitors customers.
End-to-end QoS over the public internet is technically feasible by utilizing TOS bits, but won't happen unless there's a financial incentive involved.
Not that this should be a surprise to anyone. Greed is what drives the Internet now, thanks to corporations.
What you describe is similar to the methods of telemarketers today - although their tactics are really an "opt-in" they try to sell it fast as an opt-out.
You've heard the talk -
"We're going to send you X free and all you have to do is look it over for FREE for 30 days and if you don't like it you can just call and cancel. All I need to do is verify your address, do you still live at 123 Main Street blah blah blah"
They try to use aggressive tactics to get you to opt-in to an opt-out subscription.
But at least you have the option of saying "NO YOU FUX0R, leave me alone."
Unlike the OPT-OUT availability here. Which will quickly be abused to subscribe you to paying services that are FREE for the first 30 days and if you continue...
Cause everyone knows we just hit delete and don't actually read SPAM.
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You can only do this if both you and your partner are using the same message format.
Microsoft.NET defaults to doc/literal message format. No other toolkits support this on the client side. So either you BOTH have to use the default (which is usually the case because VB programmers aren't known for their high IQs or programming ability) or you both have to know enough to change the message format to the more OPEN RPC/encoded message format.
Think about it for a minute - it's easy, so you don't have to think about it. You do whatever Bill thinks is best, which is to use a proprietary message format and force a closed service because no one else but MS clients can get at it.
But then again, maybe that's a good thing. I don't know that I'd trust a Web service written by a VB programmer.
Let's see... IIRC Ottowa is the capital of Canada.
Very nice city. I was there in 94 around July 4 and was one of the first group of people who got to visit the parliament building (it was opened to the public for the first time then). Beautiful building, I drooled over the bookcases. That queen's chair thing has got to go though.
But what does that prove? Half the US population don't know the capital of their own state, nor their senators, not the answer to 2+2 !
More than half the population of the US can't enumerate the guarnatees provided by the Bill of Rights and can't distinguish between "right" and "privilege".
Most of the kids in school today lack courtesy and respect for anything but themselves, a result of their baby-boomer parents and a "self-esteem" focused curriculum in the public schools.
When kids can't read for shit or do simple math I find those that want these children to know more about world cultures to be ridiculous. Because the damn hippies will go for this and ignore the fact that education in the US is already a joke and they won't focus on the basics.
It doesn't do a kid any damn good to know the capital of Canada if s/he has no freaking idea how to figure out how much tax they need to pay on their purchase or they can't read a newspaper.
The real problem is age and how "applications" are taught in schools, the enterprise and classes.
Schools teach children to use applications specifically. No one sits down and explains to them the concept of a file and actions that apply to a file (open, save, save as, print...) or editing (copy, cut, paste, etc.. )
If the process of educating people in the realm of computer use included a more abstract view of computers and how they work, the average joe schmo wouldn't need to "relearn" every time a new UI design came out, they'd be able to reason through it.
We moved our 8 year old daughter and 14 year old son from Windows to SuSE and Gnome, respectively. With the exception of not knowing the names of applications that do what she wants, she can get around just fine because we've taught her the basics, without being specific to an OS. She knows how to manipulate files and open applications, she understands that web browsers and can use IE, Netscape, opera or Galeon with equal ease.
This ease of adaptation is partially due to commonlality of UI implementation across applications and platforms, and partially due to their education @ home, which focuses on exploration and understanding the computer rather than a specific application.
Of course, if schools/enterprises did that, M$ would lose its edge because users would no longer be frightened to death when presented with a word processing app other than Word, or a browser other than IE.
Guidelines are guidelines. They are not hard and fast rules.
Standards are standards. You screw with the implementation of a standard and your application is worthless.
You screw with the UI and it may be ugly or less user friendly, but it still works.
Most developers follow the basics regardless of OS - File, Edit, View, Help is always the last menu item on the menu bar. "File|Open", "File|Save", "File|Print"... need more examples?
IIRC, the last time someone emulated MS and followed guidelines (Ximian's evolution) there was an outcry from/.ers about copying MS and how "wrong' it was.
Dammit, make up your minds!
And we won't even discuss the "Look and Feel" lawsuits in the early 90's when people emulated other UIs.
I was consulting a few years back and we had just finished a project. Now, the way it works when you're a consultant in demand is that if the company you're at lets you go, someone else snatches you up.
So... they refused to let me go while they waited - for FOUR DAMN MONTHS - to start up the next project.
I sat with nothing but a shitty ass NT machine and no rights to do anything but surf the web.
I memorized PI to 101 significant digits. I studied for a Java certification. And in general I was bored shitless.
If I could have played games, I would have. And since there was nothing and I do mean nothing for me to do but wait, I would have been glad if the company had decided to ditch me. I spent tons of time surfing and doing nada. I went days in between even seeing anyone. Ack!
It depends on the company, as well. Some companies have a policy of "as long as you get your job done, we don't care where/how/what you do."
Those are the best companies to work for because
1. They have less attrition 2. They can also reduce the increase in compensation. (lower percentages for raises) After all, who's going to leave such a great culture? That's where the savings come in. 3. When it's time to bust ass, almost everyone does.
You really have to take into account whether they're full or half duplex... A misconfigured port will definitely mess with your bandwidth, so remember, proper configuration before plugging in is important!
And we won't even discuss the possibilities of different sized MTUs black-hole/gray-hole hops.
Electronic petitions don't work because they can't be verified. There's not a common enough - nor accepted enough - method of non-repudiation to prove the authenticity of the "signatures" on an electronic petition so they aren't useful to move the issue through the system.
The recent issues with ZDNet's "polls" have cast enough doubt on the validity of such things - including electronic petitions - that politicians can ignore them by simply stating "we can't prove all those people actually signed it... Now if it had been a paper petition, that would be different."
Thank you for using our eSales Advisor live chat service. For your convenience and reference, we have attached a transcript of your chat session below Topic: Customizing A New Notebook
Me: Can I have Windows XP removed before shipping? Carson: hi. welcome to gateway country. my name is carson, your esales advisor. may i please have your phone number in case this chat disconnects? Me: xxx-xxx-xxxx Carson: thanks. let me check Carson: which laptop do you want to purchase? and which operating system do you want? Me: I was considering the Solo 1400se. I'd prefer either Mandrake 8.1 or RedHat 7.2 Carson: i see. we cannot send a laptop w/o an operating system. Me: Why is that? Carson: licensing agreement. Me: With who? Carson: microsoft Me: What are my options then - I take it Linux is not an option? Carson: correct. we can load xp, win2000, or 98. Carson: ok. you're welcome. thank you. bye. Carson: | eSales Advisor | 1-800-846-2036 x55238 carson.kotay@gateway.com | 11410671:6051783
I knew the answer, but I wanted to see it in writing from a rep.
Maxtor started the base 10 crap in the mid 90's so stupid users could figure out how much space they had.
64kbps, 128 kbps, 384, 768, 1.54 Mbps...
And file sizes are STILL in traditional base 2. When someone says a file is 1KB, it's 1024 bytes, not 1000 bytes.
64KB of RAM is 65536 bytes, not 64000.
Just because someone bastardized the numbers for idiots doesn't mean it's actually propagated into reality.
Packaging and marketing doesn't change the guts, it just makes it easier for the average joe to feel like s/he knows what s/he's talking about, even if they don't.
Does the bar inform you that they are not only reading the information (okay IMHO) but SAVING the information (not okay IMHO)?
If they're going to save it, fine, but they need to tell us they're doing it so we can make an informed choice as to whether we want to patronize their establishment or not - and to express our discontent with their "policy". '
It depends on how much the company wants YOU to work for them.
I've never signed an employment contract as it was presented. I've read every one and always changed it to insure that anything I write/code/create on my own time, not directed by the company, is mine.
I have offered them the alternative - triple my salary to compensate for "owning" my brain 24 hours a day.
They've always changed the employment contract to suit my needs. Can't imagine why...:-)
But you have to _know_ they want you bad enough to cave in to pull this.
What's cool is that MD 8.2 will support my brand new freakin' Fujitsu Lifebook and the Intel 830MG chipset it's using by including XFree86 4.2 and a newer kernel.
The benefit is to corporations. IPv6 contains a field in the header specifically geared to handle QoS on a global basis. It's for PRIORITY.
If IPv6 is globally implemented, and corporations can get the backbone providers to adhere to the priority fields, their traffic will get priority over yours and mine.
The same could be done using DiffServ or TOS now, but they aren't universally processed by all the routers on the backbone.
There are benefits - but most of them are corporate.
One clarification, the penetration of IPv6 is in research and dev at the moment. The committment is there, however, not only from business but from manufacturers. Sony, Microsoft, F5, et al have all finally committed to IPv6 - but all because of Japan and the PacRim. They aren't pushing it here and you rarely hear about it here, because the US isn't as interested at the moment.
We do have a HUGE number of hosts and interconnections and competition. That makes things difficult and we don't have the impetus that Japan/PacRim has to move forward as fast as possible. They're running out of IPs, we aren't.... yet.
Actually, IPv4 is holding up well because of the US. Japan and the PacRim is almost completely IPv6 at this point.
Not unlike the mishmash of wireless technologies we have whereas Europe and Japan are almost all 2.5G+. Some networks in the US are still utilizing old technology.
IPv4 isn't going anywhere for a while. The cost to upgrade is one thing, and interoperability is another. Imagine trying to implement IPv6 at a peering point, where one or more peers won't be moving to IPv6 and one or more will. What the hell do you do?
As far as HTTP, there isn't anything wrong with the protocol. Like other protocols (and technologies) it's being utilized by freaking idiots to do that which it was not designed to do. And then they blame the protocol rather than their misguided attempts to bastardize the use of the protocol.
" We stand today on the threshold of writing the rules of competition in the digital age. We have two options. One option involves one dominant company controlling the computer desktop facing minor restraints that expire in five years, but acting as a gatekeeper to 95 percent of all personal computer users. The other model is the flowering of innovation and new products that resulted from the breakup of the AT&T telephone monopoly nearly 20 years ago. From cell phones to faxes, from long-distance price wars to the development of the Internet itself, the end of the telephone monopoly brought an explosion of new technologies and services that benefit millions of consumers everyday. We should insist on nothing less in this case."
Sen. Herb Kohl, D-WI
I didn't vote for this guy as one of my senators, but I'm thinking seriously about voting for him the next time he comes up for re-election. I like the way he thinks. He hit the nail right on the head.
I'm disappointed that the only "major" responses are mostly from corporations or lawyers. Perhaps this case will introduce a new section in high school English -
"How to respond to a proposed settlement against Microsoft".
I'm sure this isn't the last one we'll need to protest...
Another thing to investigate is whether or not the publication is _paid_ to test a product. For example, the Tolly Group does a lot of testing and verification of network devices. They're good - don't get me wrong - but they're _paid_ to test and write a report.
I don't know if gaming mags are paid to test games yet, but if the gaming market continues to expand you might see this as a trend and then look out!
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Because if you are a US citizen and you break the law you are entitled to certain rights.
If you break the law and you are not a US citizen, you have no rights and you can (and usually should) be deported.
Ahhhh.... so a modified form of TCP rate shaping is used. Interesting notion and excellent idea!
/. traffic while corps w/$$$ got immediate delivery.
That's really different from the way most products that claim to optimize TCP for modem connections work. I wonder why it hasn't caught on there?
Is there a link for this spec? I'd like to read it - this is really cool stuff.
Agreed - intranetwork control over the TOS bits will work. I'd like to see it work end-to-end, but that would just encourage degradation of
The modem adds 100ms of latency to each transaction. Period.
Three parts to a TCP handshake, that's 300ms.
Unless TCP-PEP does something about this? If it does, please share.
The TOS bits aren't going to do any good once it hits the open Internet - most routers at peering points ignore the QoS bits because there isn't any incentive for peers to provide better quality of service to a competitors customers.
End-to-end QoS over the public internet is technically feasible by utilizing TOS bits, but won't happen unless there's a financial incentive involved.
Not that this should be a surprise to anyone. Greed is what drives the Internet now, thanks to corporations.
Every place I've worked at relied on some form of UNIX on the server and Windows on the desktop.
Digital Cartography
Logistics
Telecommunications
Tax Software Development
I've developed natively on Sun, Windows, DOS, Linux, AIX, OS/390, HP-UX..
I think Microsoft would like us to believe that they have the market, but they don't.
Not yet.
What you describe is similar to the methods of telemarketers today - although their tactics are really an "opt-in" they try to sell it fast as an opt-out.
You've heard the talk -
"We're going to send you X free and all you have to do is look it over for FREE for 30 days and if you don't like it you can just call and cancel. All I need to do is verify your address, do you still live at 123 Main Street blah blah blah"
They try to use aggressive tactics to get you to opt-in to an opt-out subscription.
But at least you have the option of saying "NO YOU FUX0R, leave me alone."
Unlike the OPT-OUT availability here. Which will quickly be abused to subscribe you to paying services that are FREE for the first 30 days and if you continue...
Cause everyone knows we just hit delete and don't actually read SPAM.
You can only do this if both you and your partner are using the same message format.
.NET defaults to doc/literal message format. No other toolkits support this on the client side. So either you BOTH have to use the default (which is usually the case because VB programmers aren't known for their high IQs or programming ability) or you both have to know enough to change the message format to the more OPEN RPC/encoded message format.
Microsoft
Think about it for a minute - it's easy, so you don't have to think about it. You do whatever Bill thinks is best, which is to use a proprietary message format and force a closed service because no one else but MS clients can get at it.
But then again, maybe that's a good thing. I don't know that I'd trust a Web service written by a VB programmer.
Let's see... IIRC Ottowa is the capital of Canada.
Very nice city. I was there in 94 around July 4 and was one of the first group of people who got to visit the parliament building (it was opened to the public for the first time then). Beautiful building, I drooled over the bookcases. That queen's chair thing has got to go though.
But what does that prove? Half the US population don't know the capital of their own state, nor their senators, not the answer to 2+2 !
More than half the population of the US can't enumerate the guarnatees provided by the Bill of Rights and can't distinguish between "right" and "privilege".
Most of the kids in school today lack courtesy and respect for anything but themselves, a result of their baby-boomer parents and a "self-esteem" focused curriculum in the public schools.
When kids can't read for shit or do simple math I find those that want these children to know more about world cultures to be ridiculous. Because the damn hippies will go for this and ignore the fact that education in the US is already a joke and they won't focus on the basics.
It doesn't do a kid any damn good to know the capital of Canada if s/he has no freaking idea how to figure out how much tax they need to pay on their purchase or they can't read a newspaper.
The real problem is age and how "applications" are taught in schools, the enterprise and classes.
Schools teach children to use applications specifically. No one sits down and explains to them the concept of a file and actions that apply to a file (open, save, save as, print...) or editing (copy, cut, paste, etc.. )
If the process of educating people in the realm of computer use included a more abstract view of computers and how they work, the average joe schmo wouldn't need to "relearn" every time a new UI design came out, they'd be able to reason through it.
We moved our 8 year old daughter and 14 year old son from Windows to SuSE and Gnome, respectively. With the exception of not knowing the names of applications that do what she wants, she can get around just fine because we've taught her the basics, without being specific to an OS. She knows how to manipulate files and open applications, she understands that web browsers and can use IE, Netscape, opera or Galeon with equal ease.
This ease of adaptation is partially due to commonlality of UI implementation across applications and platforms, and partially due to their education @ home, which focuses on exploration and understanding the computer rather than a specific application.
Of course, if schools/enterprises did that, M$ would lose its edge because users would no longer be frightened to death when presented with a word processing app other than Word, or a browser other than IE.
Guidelines are guidelines. They are not hard and fast rules.
... need more examples?
/.ers about copying MS and how "wrong' it was.
Standards are standards. You screw with the implementation of a standard and your application is worthless.
You screw with the UI and it may be ugly or less user friendly, but it still works.
Most developers follow the basics regardless of OS - File, Edit, View, Help is always the last menu item on the menu bar. "File|Open", "File|Save", "File|Print"
IIRC, the last time someone emulated MS and followed guidelines (Ximian's evolution) there was an outcry from
Dammit, make up your minds!
And we won't even discuss the "Look and Feel" lawsuits in the early 90's when people emulated other UIs.
Well Adam, let me tell you a little story...
I was consulting a few years back and we had just finished a project. Now, the way it works when you're a consultant in demand is that if the company you're at lets you go, someone else snatches you up.
So... they refused to let me go while they waited - for FOUR DAMN MONTHS - to start up the next project.
I sat with nothing but a shitty ass NT machine and no rights to do anything but surf the web.
I memorized PI to 101 significant digits. I studied for a Java certification. And in general I was bored shitless.
If I could have played games, I would have. And since there was nothing and I do mean nothing for me to do but wait, I would have been glad if the company had decided to ditch me. I spent tons of time surfing and doing nada. I went days in between even seeing anyone. Ack!
It depends on the company, as well. Some companies have a policy of "as long as you get your job done, we don't care where/how/what you do."
Those are the best companies to work for because
1. They have less attrition
2. They can also reduce the increase in compensation. (lower percentages for raises) After all, who's going to leave such a great culture? That's where the savings come in.
3. When it's time to bust ass, almost everyone does.
You really have to take into account whether they're full or half duplex... A misconfigured port will definitely mess with your bandwidth, so remember, proper configuration before plugging in is important!
And we won't even discuss the possibilities of different sized MTUs black-hole/gray-hole hops.
Electronic petitions don't work because they can't be verified. There's not a common enough - nor accepted enough - method of non-repudiation to prove the authenticity of the "signatures" on an electronic petition so they aren't useful to move the issue through the system.
The recent issues with ZDNet's "polls" have cast enough doubt on the validity of such things - including electronic petitions - that politicians can ignore them by simply stating "we can't prove all those people actually signed it... Now if it had been a paper petition, that would be different."
Thank you for using our eSales Advisor live chat service. For your convenience and reference, we have attached a transcript of your chat session below
Topic: Customizing A New Notebook
Me: Can I have Windows XP removed before shipping?
Carson: hi. welcome to gateway country. my name is carson, your esales advisor. may i please have your phone number in case this chat disconnects?
Me: xxx-xxx-xxxx
Carson: thanks. let me check
Carson: which laptop do you want to purchase? and which operating system do you want?
Me: I was considering the Solo 1400se. I'd prefer either Mandrake 8.1 or RedHat 7.2
Carson: i see. we cannot send a laptop w/o an operating system.
Me: Why is that?
Carson: licensing agreement.
Me: With who?
Carson: microsoft
Me: What are my options then - I take it Linux is not an option?
Carson: correct. we can load xp, win2000, or 98.
Carson: ok. you're welcome. thank you. bye.
Carson: | eSales Advisor | 1-800-846-2036 x55238
carson.kotay@gateway.com | 11410671:6051783
I knew the answer, but I wanted to see it in writing from a rep.
No they're not. Grrrr...
Maxtor started the base 10 crap in the mid 90's so stupid users could figure out how much space they had.
64kbps, 128 kbps, 384, 768, 1.54 Mbps...
And file sizes are STILL in traditional base 2. When someone says a file is 1KB, it's 1024 bytes, not 1000 bytes.
64KB of RAM is 65536 bytes, not 64000.
Just because someone bastardized the numbers for idiots doesn't mean it's actually propagated into reality.
Packaging and marketing doesn't change the guts, it just makes it easier for the average joe to feel like s/he knows what s/he's talking about, even if they don't.
Where's the privacy policies?
Does the bar inform you that they are not only reading the information (okay IMHO) but SAVING the information (not okay IMHO)?
If they're going to save it, fine, but they need to tell us they're doing it so we can make an informed choice as to whether we want to patronize their establishment or not - and to express our discontent with their "policy".
'
It depends on how much the company wants YOU to work for them.
:-)
I've never signed an employment contract as it was presented. I've read every one and always changed it to insure that anything I write/code/create on my own time, not directed by the company, is mine.
I have offered them the alternative - triple my salary to compensate for "owning" my brain 24 hours a day.
They've always changed the employment contract to suit my needs. Can't imagine why...
But you have to _know_ they want you bad enough to cave in to pull this.
What's cool is that MD 8.2 will support my brand new freakin' Fujitsu Lifebook and the Intel 830MG chipset it's using by including XFree86 4.2 and a newer kernel.
Woo hoo!
Granted....
But then again, you need one server for every 5-6 Citrix clients if you're doing anything intensive... like running Word.
The benefit is to corporations. IPv6 contains a field in the header specifically geared to handle QoS on a global basis. It's for PRIORITY.
If IPv6 is globally implemented, and corporations can get the backbone providers to adhere to the priority fields, their traffic will get priority over yours and mine.
The same could be done using DiffServ or TOS now, but they aren't universally processed by all the routers on the backbone.
There are benefits - but most of them are corporate.
Here's the correct links: Yankee Group
and
Jap@n, Inc
Sorry... long day.
http://www.yankeegroup.com/webfolder/yg21a.nsf/Sur veys/6A7A1DBA8B3A49D985256B4B0064C185?OpenDocument s ue =4%0A2
http://www.japaninc.net/newsletters/?list=WW&is
One clarification, the penetration of IPv6 is in research and dev at the moment. The committment is there, however, not only from business but from manufacturers. Sony, Microsoft, F5, et al have all finally committed to IPv6 - but all because of Japan and the PacRim. They aren't pushing it here and you rarely hear about it here, because the US isn't as interested at the moment.
We do have a HUGE number of hosts and interconnections and competition. That makes things difficult and we don't have the impetus that Japan/PacRim has to move forward as fast as possible. They're running out of IPs, we aren't.... yet.
Actually, IPv4 is holding up well because of the US. Japan and the PacRim is almost completely IPv6 at this point.
Not unlike the mishmash of wireless technologies we have whereas Europe and Japan are almost all 2.5G+. Some networks in the US are still utilizing old technology.
IPv4 isn't going anywhere for a while. The cost to upgrade is one thing, and interoperability is another. Imagine trying to implement IPv6 at a peering point, where one or more peers won't be moving to IPv6 and one or more will. What the hell do you do?
As far as HTTP, there isn't anything wrong with the protocol. Like other protocols (and technologies) it's being utilized by freaking idiots to do that which it was not designed to do. And then they blame the protocol rather than their misguided attempts to bastardize the use of the protocol.
" We stand today on the threshold of writing the rules of competition in the digital age. We have two options. One option involves one dominant company controlling the computer desktop facing minor restraints that expire in five years, but acting as a gatekeeper to 95 percent of all personal computer users. The other model is the flowering of innovation and new products that resulted from the breakup of the AT&T telephone monopoly nearly 20 years ago. From cell phones to faxes, from long-distance price wars to the development of the Internet itself, the end of the telephone monopoly brought an explosion of new technologies and services that benefit millions of consumers everyday. We should insist on nothing less in this case."
Sen. Herb Kohl, D-WI
I didn't vote for this guy as one of my senators, but I'm thinking seriously about voting for him the next time he comes up for re-election. I like the way he thinks. He hit the nail right on the head.
I'm disappointed that the only "major" responses are mostly from corporations or lawyers. Perhaps this case will introduce a new section in high school English -
"How to respond to a proposed settlement against Microsoft".
I'm sure this isn't the last one we'll need to protest...
Another thing to investigate is whether or not the publication is _paid_ to test a product. For example, the Tolly Group does a lot of testing and verification of network devices. They're good - don't get me wrong - but they're _paid_ to test and write a report.
I don't know if gaming mags are paid to test games yet, but if the gaming market continues to expand you might see this as a trend and then look out!
Actually the number of BSD based network appliances is decreasing and the number of Linux based appliances is increasing.
Basically the older the company, the more likely it is that they run BSD under the covers. Newer companies are choosing Linux.
I haven't asked why, but that's the trend I've seen.