I sure don't. This is another example of video cards rapidly outpacing the ability for game manufacturers to really challenge the video processors as well as the consumers desired upgrade cycle.
With the exception of a few hard core gamers, no one really needs this kind of processing power. 2D (which is the mode in which most cards run most often) isn't really affected.
I've yet to run into a game on which my TNT2 based card bogs down. Sure, it would be great to have this thing but ATI can keep it until there's a more compelling reason to upgrade.
The main problem with this is that the lifecycle of CPU's greatly exceeds their likely usefulness.
For example, the rated lifecycle of most CPU's is about 10 years. My Athlon 500 that's overclocked to 700 runs slightly hotter and the lifecycle will be reduced, probably less than half. 5 years from now, I'll be breaking in my K9-3.5 Ghz.
AMD and Intel know that few users (particularly those who will overclock) really care about reducing the lifespan of their processors. We trade them out far faster than they wear out.
Buying a Peltier simply to prolong the life of the processor makes very little practical sense. The K7 600 is pretty cheap right now, well below $200, so buying a $200 cooler for a $175 processor is questionable.
Beyond that, AMD designs the K7 to run at relatively high temperatures. Even at these high core temps (60C), the processor is designed to run for 10 years. 10 years ago, I spent $1500 on a really nice 386sx16 with 4MB RAM and a 40MB hard drive.
Here's my recommendation. Overclock your 600 to 700 or so with air cooling (my K7 500 runs great with an Alpha cooler at 750 at 1.65v). 5 years from now, upgrade to a new motherboard and 3GHz processor;-)
This goes way beyond market fluctuations. Clearly in order for both folks to get the boot, something is wrong with the management (not the business model of Linux companies in general).
Note that Linuxcare is a unique company from most of the other Linux IPO's to date. VA Linux started out mainly as a Linux hardware vendor and integrator, RedHat is a distributor and has now branched out into services and greater development. Linuxcare was services based from the start.
The initiative to make a better Linux (and all other open-source projects) should be ours.
It shouldn't be DoD or any other users.
This kind of reeks of "WE are in control, not some silly USER!!" mentality. This goes directly against at least what IMHO is the whole point of Open Source. Everyone can be a developer. Each USER can modify it as needed to meet their needs.
Ultimately, ONLY the users truly understand their needs. Developers are not a "self licking ice cream cone". They need the USERS to communicate their needs and then go about meeting them. The DoD has decided that it needs certain security features that are detailed in the Orange Book (C2 Certification). They've got the resources to pay developers to meet that need or, because they represent a major source of revenue, the industry will decide its worth their money to meet that need.
Once again Microsoft has demonstrated their superiority in software development and versioning. How could Linux possibly compete against Microsoft when their consumer operating system is version 98 and their server operating system is all the way to to 2000.
With that many versions, they probably don't have any bugs left at all !!! To think people would actually waste their time fixing all the bugs in a 6.2 release. Even Mandrake and Slackware are only up to 7.0.
And Enlightenment, they're not even up to version 1.0 yet! There's probably not even any code to run.
You Linux folks never cease to amaze me.
WARNING - THE PRECEDING POST IS AN ATTEMPT AT HUMOR. ANY RESEMBLANCE TO FLAMEBAIT IS PURELY COINCIDENTAL.
I am a native english speaker and have lived in Germany for more than 8 years. My German is exceedingly good so let me take another crack at it. -------begin translation--------
The cowardly Ministry for Internal Affairs draws back the Open Source paper
Obviously, the internal analysis which was released to the public was the work of some "Linux Crazed" programmer. The document, in which the experts of the ministerium stress the advantages of the free software as to it's security and possibilities of savings, was withdrawn immediately by higher ups who have consistently received payments from an unnamed west coast based U.S. software company.
The letter entitled "Open Source Software in the German national administration" was made available on the Internet last week by the so-called "Coordination and Advice Office for Information Technics at the German Administration" (KBSt, the letter was KBSt 2/2000). KBSt was obviously not recieving sufficient payments or the payments themselves were late in arriving for the month of February.
The text was withdrawn from the KBSt server after heise online reported about this letter, then it reappeared during this week again, but now it has finally disappeared. Answering a question from c't, Roger Kiel, the speaker of the Ministery, stated that the programmer who masqueraded as an official spokesman for the Ministry of Interior has been sacked. The supervisors of the programmer have also been sacked. The pointy headed boss of the supervisors has returned to Redmond for reprogramming.
Right now the letter is still on the list of KBSt letters, but the link itself points to an IIS server which is almost always down for maintenance.
Among the experts in the field, the idea of usage of Open-Source-Software as a possible alternative to commercial Software is widely approved. Daniel Riek, the member of the head-commitee of the Linux group "LiVe", said he regrets the decision of the Ministery and sincerely wishes that the Ministry could "shake the shackles of commercial corruption". This radical Linux advocate has been promoting the usage of OSS for a long time, and would gladly see a public discussion on this subject. "Those ministry of interior guys are a bunch of brainwashed cowards. Sure, they don't want Open source software. They're too stupid to know how to configure it without some sort of wizards", said Riek.
More informations about the details of this study [= KBSt letter] can be found in c't 7/2000 (which appears on Monday).
-----eof translation-----
Finally, Ive set the record straight. The original poster was obviously not a native German speaker.
We have lots of examples of companies using their stock as leverage after the IPO but this is the first time I've seen it done prior to the company even going public.
I don't begrudge either the developer or Mandrake. Both give back to the open source community and I hope they profit from it.
It's kind of ironic that companies that consistently lose money (as virtually every Linux related company does so far) can not only make their owners rich but can even buy out other companies with "virtual equity". I think there's a certain justice in it. It just proves that you can gain wealth and help the community (as opposed to Microsoft who abuses the public and their competitors to achieve wealth). Maybe the good guys do get to win once in a while.
I would have posted the entire article but my boss would kill me if I/.'d our server;-)
Open SOURCE software in the federal administration
Summary
In the area of the public administration to a large extent workstation PC in the office area as Clients, more efficient systems are used also than servers. Many authorities are at present before the function of the separation of old systems. In the industry open SOURCE software (OSS) wins increasingly in meaning for the moment. OSS is used into authorities in the server area already the longer one and proved there than extremely reliable solution (aspect of the availability).
During the processing of classified materials the aspect of the privacy is the center of attention. Here OS self-service impulse systems offer prerequisites by their special possibilities of configuring, on which in the Federal Office for security in the information technology (BSI) projects were already begun, which have the development secured PC and its safe on and integration into networks as a goal.
In the office surrounding field with its special requirements at user friendliness open SOURCE software was however so far only meagerly used. With the development of graphic surfaces, which are not constituent of the actual OS self-service impulse systems such as Linux or FreeBSD, the open SOURCE page drew even however with commercial products. At application software, which puts to a graphic surface on such, there are in the meantime several Office packages as OSS. Among other things the package StarOffice of the company SUN for the commercial application is available and free of charge available for the OS self-service realm.
Besides providers of commercial Office software portiert such as Corel, Oracle, Informix or SAP their products on OS self-service impulse systems, so that in the meantime extensive options exist.
Already today the possibility exists of covering the office request completely by means of open SOURCE often commodity. A successful migration strategy must be directed with consideration of the available configuration toward a coexistence of the software of different manufacturers.
Situation within the authority area The situation within the office area of the federal administration is coined/shaped by the application of officecommunication packages of a manufacturer. Besides is the information technology before substantial challenges and high requirements from the political area, whereby on a noticeable increase of the budgetary provisions cannot be counted at the same time. Under this edgeconditions shrink from many IT responsible person transferred into another IT world. Indicated as reason frequently to high costs of conversion, in particular too hightraining courses spends. The present situation is intensified still by the fact that for the application of the current in each case software packages usually new hardware is necessary, since the available hardware the performance requirements of the new software does not become fair.
The disadvantages which are due from this dependency are various. The products are often expensive and of frequent release change characterized. Documents will usually stored in proprietaerem format, can by older program versions not satisfying documents of newer versions be processed. The use of proprietaerer interfaces makes more difficult or prevents the application of competitive software. User can not surely to be that the product range, on which it created itself is continued also in the future.
In the past there were numerous occurrences, which questioned the reliability of commercial operating systems and hardware particularly also regarding the privacy. A deficiency of such operating systems and also commercial Office packages is that the program code cannot be seen. During the 57. The federation andthe countries formulated the commisioners for data protection assigned conference the data security therefore a resolution about " transparency hard and Software"[3 ]. They recommend to use the users of modern technique " only such products, whatever ensure a transparency of the operational sequences ".
Also interesting:
Is open SOURCE software safe?
The disclosure of software alone means still no security. Because usually users, in addition, programmers, at all will not be able to determine whether a certain program is safe. Only a small set of specialists will be after detailed study in addition able. All different are thus dependent on information second-hand. Despite at present still open questions their disclosure is however the in any case fundamental prerequisite for the evaluation of the security of software.
With open SOURCE software is fulfilled this. In addition it comes that the creators are always in particular well-known and attainable. For problems in the technical literature and in the Internet solutions offered [ 1.2 ].
After received the "delayed account creation" message, I decided to check out the FAQ and find out what they used to run their service. It was pretty high level but they had a link to their "technical FAQ" so I was hopeful.
Uh. Pretty lame. No technical detail. Deep questions like "What does Bill Gates think of this?". I want to try the service but sheesh.
I was also a former, very satisfied subscriber. You can bring down a website by/.'ing, why not bring back the magazine. Write to them at their Feedback Form and if we get enough folks, may they'll consider it.
I'd love to know the price tag on this one. It wasn't even listed on Apple's site for sale. Great product. Do you think they built a "to scale" model or do they actually have one (1) on hand;-)
What better way to demonstrate that you're not a monopoly than to port your biggest cash cow to your up and coming rival OS. I've gotta believe that there's some slick consultant telling them to do this to sway the ongoing lawsuit.
"So we port Office 2000 to Linux to demonstrate how even handed we are. Who knows, we sell a few copies and then make it worthless by changing the file formats and slow rolling the port for the next version. By then, the government case will be over and we can resume our quest for world domination. Heh Heh Heh...".
Sure, if you enable superbypass (not supported by my K7M motherboard in the revision I bought) or use a Via KX-133 chipset motherboard you can eke out a few more points. The PIII can also get a small jump with RDRAM but it costs a fortune so I'm not using it for comparison.
You busted me. I work for Intel. Read my previous posts.
I understand the desire of AMD to beat Intel to to 1 GHz but when Intel does release more than vaporware, the benchmarks will blow the K75 core Athlon away. The 1 GHz Athlon is basically a crippled chip, with an L2 cache running at only 1/3 of the processor speed. Until the Thunderbird core is released and they have cache running at full processor speed, expect the Athlon to significantly lag the PIII at the same speed.
I'm not convinced that AMD would ever have released this chip except to beat Intel to the punch. The significant improvements will only come as the entire architecture improves (full speed L2 cache, AMD 760 and AMD 770 chipsets with DDRAM support). Current Athlon users will have virtually no incentive to upgrade until then. I'm sticking with my K7 500 (running smooth and stable at 750 w/ 1/2 cache). I'd be willing to bet the improvement would hardly be measurable trading off 250 MHz of wait states for lowering the cache from 1/2 to 1/3.
I did not make any permanent modifications to the chip. I did take off the plastic cover and attached a "gold fingers device" made by K7OC.
I runs stable at 750 and 1/2 cache by increasing the voltage to 1.7 and the multiplier to 7.5. Once it boots to Windoze, I can reduce the cache multiplier to 2/5 in software using H.Oda's wcpua2 program and then increase the front side bus to 110 using SoftFSB for a grand total of 825 or so. Best performance was at 750 so I leave it there (or even lower to keep it cooler.)
Since AMD came out with the 750 Athlon, all the faster chips ship with cache divisors no higher than 2/5. I suspect that the 1GHz processors will ship with 1/3 cache divisors until they integrate the L2 cache onto the die with the Thunderbird processor.
This is the one area where Intel seems to be outpacing AMD, the CuMine cache isn't crippled at higher clock speeds. From my own experience, my Athlon benchmarks higher at 750 with 1/2 cache than at 823 with 2/5 cache.
You hit the nail right on the head. I recently upgraded to an Athlon 500 and bought the stuff to overclock it all the way up to 800 MHz. Runs great but I really can't tell the difference between 500 and 750 in anything but a few 3D games. I clocked it back down to 650 just to keep it cool.
We may be entering into an unprecedented time of PC's. Older generation PC's run most people's applications just fine, let alone if they were running Linux instead of Winblows. Its hard to justify the high prices for many tech stocks if the incentive to upgrade goes away.
After years of the U.S. restricting crypto from export, the shoe may finally be on the other foot.
My instinct tells me that it is unlikely that the Japanese government would place export restrictions on cryptographic technology that would be approved for a game machine. Still, its kind of interesting to imagine all the righteous indignation felt on the part of U.S. consumers when we (the U.S.) have been doing it to the rest of the world for years. I kind of hope it is illegal. Maybe we deserve it.
As a longtime resident of Germany, I can tell you that everything that the town of Hamburg says they will provide can be obtained on the open market at a lower cost. For those of you who want to check it, look at http://www.billiger-telefonieren.de and look up the rates for internet access. They list "Alle Anbieter" (all providers) and "Alle call-by-call Anbieter ohne Anmeldung" (All call by call providers without signup. No sign up, no monthly fee, essentially free.
There are a number of providers that give "free" access for everyone as long as you pay the phone costs (which add up quick, the cheapest rate is about 3 pfg per minute (1 1/2 cents) or nearly $1 per hour).
Add to it a free pop account from Yahoo and any number of free web page hosters and you're in business.
Take it a step further. In the long run, internet businesses have the potential to do to brick and mortar retail outlets what WalMart did to your average "mom and pop" store. That is put it out of business.
Its easy to take the short sighted view that whatever is good for Internet commerce is good for America (or Europe, or the world). It means cheaper purchasing online which is what a lot of folks really want. Heck I like it too.
I'm just not sure I want to live in the town where all the stores went out of business, the sales tax revenue dried up, and the state had to increase income or property taxes to fund the schools and maintain the infrastructure. I dislike taxes as much as the next guy but it reminds me of the story of the well meaning town that brought pigs in to eat all the garbage in the streets only to find that the resulting "pig waste" was worst than the original problem.
Conveniently enough, advert.dll caused my machine to GPF each time I closed IE 5.01. Do you think Micro$oft listed this in their knowledge base? Nope. Picked it up off usenet by searching deja.com. Sure enough, it was a bear to delete but once it was gone, everything went back to normal (crashing on when its supposed to;-)
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I sure don't. This is another example of video cards rapidly outpacing the ability for game manufacturers to really challenge the video processors as well as the consumers desired upgrade cycle.
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With the exception of a few hard core gamers, no one really needs this kind of processing power. 2D (which is the mode in which most cards run most often) isn't really affected.
I've yet to run into a game on which my TNT2 based card bogs down. Sure, it would be great to have this thing but ATI can keep it until there's a more compelling reason to upgrade.
Just my
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Dave
The main problem with this is that the lifecycle of CPU's greatly exceeds their likely usefulness.
For example, the rated lifecycle of most CPU's is about 10 years. My Athlon 500 that's overclocked to 700 runs slightly hotter and the lifecycle will be reduced, probably less than half. 5 years from now, I'll be breaking in my K9-3.5 Ghz.
AMD and Intel know that few users (particularly those who will overclock) really care about reducing the lifespan of their processors. We trade them out far faster than they wear out.
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Dave
Buying a Peltier simply to prolong the life of the processor makes very little practical sense. The K7 600 is pretty cheap right now, well below $200, so buying a $200 cooler for a $175 processor is questionable.
;-)
Beyond that, AMD designs the K7 to run at relatively high temperatures. Even at these high core temps (60C), the processor is designed to run for 10 years. 10 years ago, I spent $1500 on a really nice 386sx16 with 4MB RAM and a 40MB hard drive.
Here's my recommendation. Overclock your 600 to 700 or so with air cooling (my K7 500 runs great with an Alpha cooler at 750 at 1.65v). 5 years from now, upgrade to a new motherboard and 3GHz processor
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Dave
This goes way beyond market fluctuations. Clearly in order for both folks to get the boot, something is wrong with the management (not the business model of Linux companies in general).
Note that Linuxcare is a unique company from most of the other Linux IPO's to date. VA Linux started out mainly as a Linux hardware vendor and integrator, RedHat is a distributor and has now branched out into services and greater development. Linuxcare was services based from the start.
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Dave
Let me reiterate -
The initiative to make a better Linux
(and all other open-source projects)
should be ours.
It shouldn't be DoD or any other users.
This kind of reeks of "WE are in control, not some silly USER!!" mentality. This goes directly against at least what IMHO is the whole point of Open Source. Everyone can be a developer. Each USER can modify it as needed to meet their needs.
Ultimately, ONLY the users truly understand their needs. Developers are not a "self licking ice cream cone". They need the USERS to communicate their needs and then go about meeting them. The DoD has decided that it needs certain security features that are detailed in the Orange Book (C2 Certification). They've got the resources to pay developers to meet that need or, because they represent a major source of revenue, the industry will decide its worth their money to meet that need.
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Dave
Once again Microsoft has demonstrated their superiority in software development and versioning. How could Linux possibly compete against Microsoft when their consumer operating system is version 98 and their server operating system is all the way to to 2000.
With that many versions, they probably don't have any bugs left at all !!! To think people would actually waste their time fixing all the bugs in a 6.2 release. Even Mandrake and Slackware are only up to 7.0.
And Enlightenment, they're not even up to version 1.0 yet! There's probably not even any code to run.
You Linux folks never cease to amaze me.
WARNING - THE PRECEDING POST IS AN ATTEMPT AT HUMOR. ANY RESEMBLANCE TO FLAMEBAIT IS PURELY COINCIDENTAL.
I am a native english speaker and have lived in Germany for more than 8 years. My German is exceedingly good so let me take another crack at it.
-------begin translation--------
The cowardly Ministry for Internal Affairs draws back the Open Source paper
Obviously, the internal analysis which was released to the public was the work of some "Linux Crazed" programmer. The document, in which the experts of the ministerium stress the advantages of the free software as to it's security and possibilities of savings, was withdrawn immediately by higher ups who have consistently received payments from an unnamed west coast based U.S. software company.
The letter entitled "Open Source Software in the German national administration" was made available on the Internet last week by the so-called "Coordination and Advice Office for Information Technics at the German Administration" (KBSt, the letter was KBSt 2/2000). KBSt was obviously not recieving sufficient payments or the payments themselves were late in arriving for the month of February.
The text was withdrawn from the KBSt server after heise online reported about this letter, then it reappeared during this week again, but now it has finally disappeared. Answering a question from c't, Roger Kiel, the speaker of the Ministery, stated that the programmer who masqueraded as an official spokesman for the Ministry of Interior has been sacked. The supervisors of the programmer have also been sacked. The pointy headed boss of the supervisors has returned to Redmond for reprogramming.
Right now the letter is still on the list of KBSt letters, but the link itself points to an IIS server which is almost always down for maintenance.
Among the experts in the field, the idea of usage of Open-Source-Software as a possible alternative to commercial Software is widely approved. Daniel Riek, the member of the head-commitee of the Linux group "LiVe", said he regrets the decision of the Ministery and sincerely wishes that the Ministry could "shake the shackles of commercial corruption". This radical Linux advocate has been promoting the usage of OSS for a long time, and would gladly see a public discussion on this subject. "Those ministry of interior guys are a bunch of brainwashed cowards. Sure, they don't want Open source software. They're too stupid to know how to configure it without some sort of wizards", said Riek.
More informations about the details of this study [= KBSt letter] can be found in c't 7/2000 (which appears on Monday).
-----eof translation-----
Finally, Ive set the record straight. The original poster was obviously not a native German speaker.
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Dave
I don't begrudge either the developer or Mandrake. Both give back to the open source community and I hope they profit from it.
It's kind of ironic that companies that consistently lose money (as virtually every Linux related company does so far) can not only make their owners rich but can even buy out other companies with "virtual equity". I think there's a certain justice in it. It just proves that you can gain wealth and help the community (as opposed to Microsoft who abuses the public and their competitors to achieve wealth). Maybe the good guys do get to win once in a while.
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Dave
I would have posted the entire article but my boss would kill me if I /.'d our server ;-)
Open SOURCE software in the federal administration
Summary
In the area of the public administration to a large extent workstation PC in the office area as Clients, more efficient systems are used also than servers. Many authorities are at present before the function of the separation of old systems. In the industry open SOURCE software (OSS) wins increasingly in meaning for the moment. OSS is used into authorities in the server area already the longer one and proved there than extremely reliable solution (aspect of the availability).
During the processing of classified materials the aspect of the privacy is the center of attention. Here OS self-service impulse systems offer prerequisites by their special possibilities of configuring, on which in the Federal Office for security in the information technology (BSI) projects were already begun, which have the development secured PC and its safe on and integration into networks as a goal.
In the office surrounding field with its special requirements at user friendliness open SOURCE software was however so far only meagerly used. With the development of graphic surfaces, which are not constituent of the actual OS self-service impulse systems such as Linux or FreeBSD, the open SOURCE page drew even however with commercial products. At application software, which puts to a graphic surface on such, there are in the meantime several Office packages as OSS. Among other things the package StarOffice of the company SUN for the commercial application is available and free of charge available for the OS self-service realm.
Besides providers of commercial Office software portiert such as Corel, Oracle, Informix or SAP their products on OS self-service impulse systems, so that in the meantime extensive options exist.
Already today the possibility exists of covering the office request completely by means of open SOURCE often commodity. A successful migration strategy must be directed with consideration of the available configuration toward a coexistence of the software of different manufacturers.
Situation within the authority area
The situation within the office area of the federal administration is coined/shaped by the application of officecommunication packages of a manufacturer. Besides is the information technology before substantial challenges and high requirements from the political area, whereby on a noticeable increase of the budgetary provisions cannot be counted at the same time. Under this edgeconditions shrink from many IT responsible person transferred into another IT world. Indicated as reason frequently to high costs of conversion, in particular too hightraining courses spends. The present situation is intensified still by the fact that for the application of the current in each case software packages usually new hardware is necessary, since the available hardware the performance requirements of the new software does not become fair.
The disadvantages which are due from this dependency are various. The products are often expensive and of frequent release change characterized. Documents will usually stored in proprietaerem format, can by older program versions not satisfying documents of newer versions be processed. The use of proprietaerer interfaces makes more difficult or prevents the application of competitive software. User can not surely to be that the product range, on which it created itself is continued also in the future.
In the past there were numerous occurrences, which questioned the reliability of commercial operating systems and hardware particularly also regarding the privacy. A deficiency of such operating systems and also commercial Office packages is that the program code cannot be seen. During the 57. The federation andthe countries formulated the commisioners for data protection assigned conference the data security therefore a resolution about " transparency hard and Software"[3 ]. They recommend to use the users of modern technique " only such products, whatever ensure a transparency of the operational sequences ".
Also interesting:
Is open SOURCE software safe?
The disclosure of software alone means still no security. Because usually users, in addition, programmers, at all will not be able to determine whether a certain program is safe. Only a small set of specialists will be after detailed study in addition able. All different are thus dependent on information second-hand.
Despite at present still open questions their disclosure is however the in any case fundamental prerequisite for the evaluation of the security of software.
With open SOURCE software is fulfilled this. In addition it comes that the creators are always in particular well-known and attainable. For problems in the technical literature and in the Internet solutions offered [ 1.2 ].
Uh. Pretty lame. No technical detail. Deep questions like "What does Bill Gates think of this?". I want to try the service but sheesh.
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Dave
I just did.
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Dave
I'd love to know the price tag on this one. It wasn't even listed on Apple's site for sale. Great product. Do you think they built a "to scale" model or do they actually have one (1) on hand ;-)
Uhh... He's joking. By any chance has your sense of humor been surgically removed?
With the problems they've been having meeting demand and with yields on high frequency chips, maybe they could substitute Athlon 800's for the PIII's.
;-)
At least they'd be sure to have enough free PC's to go around
What better way to demonstrate that you're not a monopoly than to port your biggest cash cow to your up and coming rival OS. I've gotta believe that there's some slick consultant telling them to do this to sway the ongoing lawsuit.
"So we port Office 2000 to Linux to demonstrate how even handed we are. Who knows, we sell a few copies and then make it worthless by changing the file formats and slow rolling the port for the next version. By then, the government case will be over and we can resume our quest for world domination. Heh Heh Heh...".
I stand by the statement. Look at Anandtech's latest review of the 1 GHz chip .
I picked the SYSMARK2000 to demonstrate my claim but look at them across the board.
PIII (800) BX PC-100 Ram - 30.8
Athlon 850 AMD-750 - 30.8
Sure, if you enable superbypass (not supported by my K7M motherboard in the revision I bought) or use a Via KX-133 chipset motherboard you can eke out a few more points. The PIII can also get a small jump with RDRAM but it costs a fortune so I'm not using it for comparison.
You busted me. I work for Intel. Read my previous posts.
I understand the desire of AMD to beat Intel to to 1 GHz but when Intel does release more than vaporware, the benchmarks will blow the K75 core Athlon away. The 1 GHz Athlon is basically a crippled chip, with an L2 cache running at only 1/3 of the processor speed. Until the Thunderbird core is released and they have cache running at full processor speed, expect the Athlon to significantly lag the PIII at the same speed.
I'm not convinced that AMD would ever have released this chip except to beat Intel to the punch. The significant improvements will only come as the entire architecture improves (full speed L2 cache, AMD 760 and AMD 770 chipsets with DDRAM support). Current Athlon users will have virtually no incentive to upgrade until then. I'm sticking with my K7 500 (running smooth and stable at 750 w/ 1/2 cache). I'd be willing to bet the improvement would hardly be measurable trading off 250 MHz of wait states for lowering the cache from 1/2 to 1/3.
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Dave
I runs stable at 750 and 1/2 cache by increasing the voltage to 1.7 and the multiplier to 7.5. Once it boots to Windoze, I can reduce the cache multiplier to 2/5 in software using H.Oda's wcpua2 program and then increase the front side bus to 110 using SoftFSB for a grand total of 825 or so. Best performance was at 750 so I leave it there (or even lower to keep it cooler.)
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Dave
Since AMD came out with the 750 Athlon, all the faster chips ship with cache divisors no higher than 2/5. I suspect that the 1GHz processors will ship with 1/3 cache divisors until they integrate the L2 cache onto the die with the Thunderbird processor.
This is the one area where Intel seems to be outpacing AMD, the CuMine cache isn't crippled at higher clock speeds. From my own experience, my Athlon benchmarks higher at 750 with 1/2 cache than at 823 with 2/5 cache.
You hit the nail right on the head. I recently upgraded to an Athlon 500 and bought the stuff to overclock it all the way up to 800 MHz. Runs great but I really can't tell the difference between 500 and 750 in anything but a few 3D games. I clocked it back down to 650 just to keep it cool.
We may be entering into an unprecedented time of PC's. Older generation PC's run most people's applications just fine, let alone if they were running Linux instead of Winblows. Its hard to justify the high prices for many tech stocks if the incentive to upgrade goes away.
After years of the U.S. restricting crypto from export, the shoe may finally be on the other foot.
My instinct tells me that it is unlikely that the Japanese government would place export restrictions on cryptographic technology that would be approved for a game machine. Still, its kind of interesting to imagine all the righteous indignation felt on the part of U.S. consumers when we (the U.S.) have been doing it to the rest of the world for years. I kind of hope it is illegal. Maybe we deserve it.
There are a number of providers that give "free" access for everyone as long as you pay the phone costs (which add up quick, the cheapest rate is about 3 pfg per minute (1 1/2 cents) or nearly $1 per hour).
Add to it a free pop account from Yahoo and any number of free web page hosters and you're in business.
Its easy to take the short sighted view that whatever is good for Internet commerce is good for America (or Europe, or the world). It means cheaper purchasing online which is what a lot of folks really want. Heck I like it too.
I'm just not sure I want to live in the town where all the stores went out of business, the sales tax revenue dried up, and the state had to increase income or property taxes to fund the schools and maintain the infrastructure. I dislike taxes as much as the next guy but it reminds me of the story of the well meaning town that brought pigs in to eat all the garbage in the streets only to find that the resulting "pig waste" was worst than the original problem.
Conveniently enough, advert.dll caused my machine to GPF each time I closed IE 5.01. Do you think Micro$oft listed this in their knowledge base? Nope. Picked it up off usenet by searching deja.com. Sure enough, it was a bear to delete but once it was gone, everything went back to normal (crashing on when its supposed to ;-)
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Dave
Like his platform? Nope.
;-)
Man of strong character? Nope.
Runs his website on Linux? THATS MY MAN
Maybe voters should do what they did last time and vote for the cute guy