Will Telkom play fair? Or will they throw resources at the problem to ensure they win? I really don't know a thing about network transport, so what I suggest may not even be possible in the time alloted.
The marketing aspects are interesting too. Does Telkom generate good will by taking its lumps good-naturedly and then make real efforts to fix its problems? I suspect that rigging the game could actually do more harm than good.
Of course copyright holders have rights. But those rights do not include the right to physically control what I do with my personal property. period.
If their business model does not work without physically controlling what I do with my hardware, then their business model is broken.
Kindle is a bad example as we've recently seen with their deletion of copies of 1984. Many more people are now aware of what exactly can be done with DRM type control of the user's machine.
Just because no one notices doesn't make it right. If you don't notice that someone has inserted a root-kit in your machine, but hasn't made use of it yet, is that okay? If you don't notice that someone has a backdoor in your OS that allows them to delete certain files from your machine without your knowledge or consent, is that okay? No.
OMG, not Illegal != Legal Right To in All Products
Agreed. But I'm arguing that it is not right for DRM to prevent me from doing something legal with my hardware. It all gets convoluted below, but I think it comes out in the end...
Maybe you'll understand a car analogy?;)
maybe! I'm game;)
It is not illegal to have a CD player built into a car. Perhaps there's a court case ruling that it is not too distracting to the driver so therefore not illegal. That does not mean you have the Legal Right to have a CD player in every vehicle and a company that builds a vehicle with no place to insert a CD player into the dash has overruled that court case.
This analogy doesn't fit because the car does not actively prevent you from taking a sawzall(sp?) to the dash and putting your own cd player in.
As I understand it (and I'm certainly no expert), the DRM actively tries to prevent the user from performing an action on the user's(!) machine that the user is legally allowed to do. This is a rather different concept from not providing the functionality in the first place as in your analogy above. In the case of DRM, a third party is actively preventing the user from doing something legal with their own property.
It is also not your legal right to have the software and ability to copy any CD, it is simply not illegal for you to do so. Therefore it is your decision as a consumer to buy products that are easier to copy, or to buy an OS that makes this process easier. But it is not your God-given or supreme court rules RIGHT to be able to do so and easily with every piece of software and supported easily by every OS or even not actively denied.
hmmm... I'll agree that it may not be my *right* to copy a cd, but since it is not illegal, it is therefore legal. Since it is legal for me to do something, then how can it be right for a third party to prevent me from doing it?
It is legal for me to install a radio in my car. I have no *right* to it, but it is legal for me to do so. It is almost certainly (IANAL) illegal for Toyota to prevent me from doing so. Or an even better analogy: it is almost certainly illegal for whatever entity is responsible for the fuel-injection controller to prevent me from doing so. Okay, that's a tortured analogy. Toyota is the hardware manufacturer, fuel-injection controller is the DRM-enabled operating system and installing a radio is copying a cd. phew. wow. sorry.
This is of course based off my understanding that the supreme court said it is NOT illegal to make a backup, not a ruling stating it IS ILLEGAL to prevent a CD from being copied. If the latter is the case then I apologize for my misunderstanding and withdraw my arguments.
I think your understanding is correct. I just disagree with your reasoning:)
I'm trying to come up with another analogy...
It is legal for you to paint your house. It is not legal for the carpenter who built it to come to your house and prevent your from painting it (ignoring the whole trespassing issue here). In fact it's absurd.
It is likewise absurd and, in my non-legally-trained opinion, illegal to prevent me from doing something that is not illegal. In fact, it may even be illegal for an OS to prevent me from doing something illegal as the OS vendor is not an authorized law-enforcement officer and I'm not directly harming another, yadda yadda yadda.
There is a machine which has the capability to perform a legal action. There is a piece of software that facilitates that action. There is another piece of software that prevents that action. The software vendor is attempting to dictate what the user can or can't do with their legally owned hardware.
If the software vendor does not want the user to perform this action, then the vendor should not provide the first piece of softw
DRM actively attempts to prevent a user from exercising their legal rights. It is this active prevention that is overruling the supremes. Granted, DRM appears to be a failure, but that's kind of beside the point.
Every day or so I received calls [on the cell number] for the previous [cell number] owner [...] because they were after the person for the money to pay the phone bill.
This makes my day. Collecting for a cell phone bill by calling the cell phone number of the person who didn't pay their cell phone bill. Priceless.
This stuff will only become more common as the need for an actual, up-to-date, physical address becomes less and less necessary. With online banking, cell phones, wireless networks, and the death of the landline, it going to become increasingly difficult to actually track down a debtor. I suppose they could hang out at the coffee shop whose wireless was last used to pay the bill in hopes the debtor shows up again.
I know I see less and less real reason to update my address with various service providers. The only thing they use mail for is sending advertising junk. About the only thing that ties one to a location is a utility bill. If your apartment has utilities included, that goes away too.
I immediately wondered if there were any such antipodal geology evident on earth. A quick google turned up this presentation which is pretty darn interesting. IANAGeologist, and can't speak to the accuracy of the claims, but it's still darn cool!
Wow, I haven't seen mention of that thing in a long time. I didn't realize it carried into the 70's with improvements in the technology. Pretty cool! Thanks!
What I *really* want is a series hybrid with a modular power-supply. Stick in a battery module for local, daily travel. Stick in the (now) petroleum based ICE module, (later) fuel-cell module, or (really later) Mr. Fusion module for long distance travel. Heck, the neighbors and I could share the cost of the different long-distance modules... when are we all going to go long-distance at the same time? Rarely. And maybe a rental model even makes sense in that case. shrug.
Continued incremental improvements in fuel economy, at a rate roughly equivalent to the inverse of the rise in fuel prices will keep the modern gasoline powered ICE a viable alternative for a long time.
This accounts for peak oil. As peak oil hits and prices climb, the motivation to fund more incremental improvements increases. The result could be that the status quo continues to be viable for quite a while. And those incremental improvements can happen anywhere in the supply chain -- improved extraction from oil sands, more advanced location of new reserves, etc. I suspect we will become quite good at attenuating our need to keep pace with the fall in supply, until we've used every last drop
Please note that I'm no expert in this (or any other!) field and am only speculating on what might happen
Oh, I don't want that. Just stating what I think will happen...
Personally, I'm in favor of everyone (from consumer to corporation) getting their collective heads out of their collective asses and making real change instead of paying it lip service. But I don't see any flying pigs yet. And when I do, I'm sure they'll be powered by fossil fuel ICE's.
But it's potentially enough. ISTM part of the reason the ICE has lasted so long is the continued incremental improvements that make it just good enough to stick with. Continued incremental improvements in fuel economy, at a rate roughly equivalent to the inverse of the rise in fuel prices will keep the modern gasoline powered ICE a viable alternative for a long time.
This kind of improvement, along with better optimized hybrids and other "transitional" technologies effectively allow us to maintain the status quo.
IMVHO, only two things will pitch ICE's off the top of the pile: 1) a radical, cheap, viable, ready-to-go, drop-in-now replacement, or 2) time, a long time.
someone just posted on debian-user that the way to kill zombies is to have the parent processes try to reap them and if that fails, they should get reparented up the chain until their parent becomes init. Then doing `telinit u` will cause init to restart (while maintaining state) and all the zombies will be dropped. I haven't had the chance to try it.
I've never operated under an NDA, so help me out with this. The way I've read a lot of this, operating under an NDA puts you in this situation:
you: "What's up today?" me: "Can't tell you..." you: "Orly? Why not?" me: "Can't tell you..." you: "Heh, okaaaayyy... So want to hook up later? What time are you free?" me: "Sure, maybe 5:00" you: "cool.." me: "Hey can you give me a ride?" you: "Sure, where're we going?" me: "Can't tell you..."
it's absurd.
THe conversation should realistically be more like this:
you: "What's up today?" me: "Oh, I've got a meeting with the palm folks" you: "oh cool, that's right you're working on the preDevCamp thingy" me: "yeah." you: "so what's the meeting about?" me: "Can't say, I'm under an NDA" you: "oh cool...."
The point is that these guys were working on palm stuff! What's the big secret? It's not like they're working for the competition and going to the meeting is itself a secret. It's damn silly, IMO.
and to be clear, I'm not affiliated in anyway despite what you might think from the dialog above.
you guys have discussed what I wondered about immediately after reading the first article... this lens effect doesn't explain the distribution of handedness of spiral galaxies.
The second article discusses that the shape of the heliopause is influenced by some unknown force. Is it reasonably to suggest that the shape of the heliopause is influenced by whatever causese the Axis of Evil as an external phenomenon?
It is not unreasonable to surmise that if we are able to develop this kind of technology (big if...) prior to developing reasonable technologies for enabling interstellar travel (whether some kind of suspended animation, long term survival technologies, or "warp drive"), then other civilizations may have as well. Thus it follows that any civilization with the technology to visit us would likely have the technology to observe us while remaining unobserved.
So, though your comment is modded funny, I think it's pretty insightful.
IANAOceanographer. But according to wikipedia, the ocean has a volume of approximately 1.3x10^9 cubic kilometers. According to NASA the Wilkins ice sheet has an area of 13680 square kilometers and a maximum thickness of 200 to 250 meters. Taking 225 meters as the average thickness (gotta pick something), the Wilkins ice sheet has a volume of 3078 cubic kilometers. That is about 2.368x10^(-4) percent of the ocean's volume. I've tried the calculations of the effect on salinity, and either I keep making mistakes, or it's too small to show up on my calculator.
ice that is floating is already displacing an amount of water equivalent to it's mass which has... the same volume as the volume of the ice once it's melted (remember that frozen water has a larger volume, lower density, than liquid water). Thus, melting ice that is already floating has zero effect on sea levels.
I'm a late 30-something studying CS and moving more and more into math. probably headed to grad school for some combination of math/cs with any eye towards category and type theory work.
Definitely the younger kids are quick, but they lack depth. I work with some really bright young kids in my math classes and it's great to work with them, but sometimes you have to hit them with the clue bat to get them to see the broader implications. I don't see any of them sitting around just thinking about math, for example, and working out how to apply some newly learned technique to some other problem. Note that I'm speaking in generalities. I know there are some that do....
I've had a couple of internship interviews, though, and it's definitely a little awkward. You have to answer questions like "Why are you making this change in your life?" It's not always so easy to explain and I think they don't believe you when you say something like (the truth) "it's what I should have been doing all along and I've only just now realized it."
For myself, I accept that I'm doing this for my own good, because I love it. If some monetary reward, in the form of a job, comes of it at some point, then great. I'm looking at learning what I want to learn, through grad school and maybe beyond, and trying to get into research and possibly teaching. If I never get a job banging out code, that's okay with me. I already do that in my spare time for open source projects, so I don't necessarily feel this drive to prove it with a job.
As AC said above, I too, heartily recommend going back to school. School as an adult (and face it, once you get to my age you realize how young 20-somethings aren't adults yet, though there are exceptions) is vastly different than as a younger person. It is also definitely the best thing I've ever done for myself, after marrying my gal;)
I always had a problem with the part where he solved the crime with evidence the reader was not privy to. At least that's how I remember it, it's been at least 20 years since I read any Sherlock Holmes.
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Will Telkom play fair? Or will they throw resources at the problem to ensure they win? I really don't know a thing about network transport, so what I suggest may not even be possible in the time alloted. The marketing aspects are interesting too. Does Telkom generate good will by taking its lumps good-naturedly and then make real efforts to fix its problems? I suspect that rigging the game could actually do more harm than good.
Of course copyright holders have rights. But those rights do not include the right to physically control what I do with my personal property. period.
If their business model does not work without physically controlling what I do with my hardware, then their business model is broken.
Kindle is a bad example as we've recently seen with their deletion of copies of 1984. Many more people are now aware of what exactly can be done with DRM type control of the user's machine.
Just because no one notices doesn't make it right. If you don't notice that someone has inserted a root-kit in your machine, but hasn't made use of it yet, is that okay? If you don't notice that someone has a backdoor in your OS that allows them to delete certain files from your machine without your knowledge or consent, is that okay? No.
OMG, not Illegal != Legal Right To in All Products
Agreed. But I'm arguing that it is not right for DRM to prevent me from doing something legal with my hardware. It all gets convoluted below, but I think it comes out in the end...
Maybe you'll understand a car analogy? ;)
maybe! I'm game ;)
It is not illegal to have a CD player built into a car. Perhaps there's a court case ruling that it is not too distracting to the driver so therefore not illegal. That does not mean you have the Legal Right to have a CD player in every vehicle and a company that builds a vehicle with no place to insert a CD player into the dash has overruled that court case.
This analogy doesn't fit because the car does not actively prevent you from taking a sawzall(sp?) to the dash and putting your own cd player in.
As I understand it (and I'm certainly no expert), the DRM actively tries to prevent the user from performing an action on the user's(!) machine that the user is legally allowed to do. This is a rather different concept from not providing the functionality in the first place as in your analogy above. In the case of DRM, a third party is actively preventing the user from doing something legal with their own property.
It is also not your legal right to have the software and ability to copy any CD, it is simply not illegal for you to do so. Therefore it is your decision as a consumer to buy products that are easier to copy, or to buy an OS that makes this process easier. But it is not your God-given or supreme court rules RIGHT to be able to do so and easily with every piece of software and supported easily by every OS or even not actively denied.
hmmm... I'll agree that it may not be my *right* to copy a cd, but since it is not illegal, it is therefore legal. Since it is legal for me to do something, then how can it be right for a third party to prevent me from doing it?
It is legal for me to install a radio in my car. I have no *right* to it, but it is legal for me to do so. It is almost certainly (IANAL) illegal for Toyota to prevent me from doing so. Or an even better analogy: it is almost certainly illegal for whatever entity is responsible for the fuel-injection controller to prevent me from doing so. Okay, that's a tortured analogy. Toyota is the hardware manufacturer, fuel-injection controller is the DRM-enabled operating system and installing a radio is copying a cd. phew. wow. sorry.
This is of course based off my understanding that the supreme court said it is NOT illegal to make a backup, not a ruling stating it IS ILLEGAL to prevent a CD from being copied. If the latter is the case then I apologize for my misunderstanding and withdraw my arguments.
I think your understanding is correct. I just disagree with your reasoning :)
I'm trying to come up with another analogy...
It is legal for you to paint your house. It is not legal for the carpenter who built it to come to your house and prevent your from painting it (ignoring the whole trespassing issue here). In fact it's absurd.
It is likewise absurd and, in my non-legally-trained opinion, illegal to prevent me from doing something that is not illegal. In fact, it may even be illegal for an OS to prevent me from doing something illegal as the OS vendor is not an authorized law-enforcement officer and I'm not directly harming another, yadda yadda yadda.
There is a machine which has the capability to perform a legal action. There is a piece of software that facilitates that action. There is another piece of software that prevents that action. The software vendor is attempting to dictate what the user can or can't do with their legally owned hardware.
If the software vendor does not want the user to perform this action, then the vendor should not provide the first piece of softw
DRM actively attempts to prevent a user from exercising their legal rights. It is this active prevention that is overruling the supremes. Granted, DRM appears to be a failure, but that's kind of beside the point.
Every day or so I received calls [on the cell number] for the previous [cell number] owner [...] because they were after the person for the money to pay the phone bill.
This makes my day. Collecting for a cell phone bill by calling the cell phone number of the person who didn't pay their cell phone bill. Priceless. This stuff will only become more common as the need for an actual, up-to-date, physical address becomes less and less necessary. With online banking, cell phones, wireless networks, and the death of the landline, it going to become increasingly difficult to actually track down a debtor. I suppose they could hang out at the coffee shop whose wireless was last used to pay the bill in hopes the debtor shows up again. I know I see less and less real reason to update my address with various service providers. The only thing they use mail for is sending advertising junk. About the only thing that ties one to a location is a utility bill. If your apartment has utilities included, that goes away too.
Just to see if I understand, Main is IO(), and thus it proves an attempted interaction with the outside world?
yeah. sorry. I completely failed to look properly.
yikes! I sure didn't do my homework. I should have looked around there some more. I certainly don't mean to promote such wackery. I am shamed.
I immediately wondered if there were any such antipodal geology evident on earth. A quick google turned up this presentation which is pretty darn interesting. IANAGeologist, and can't speak to the accuracy of the claims, but it's still darn cool!
Wow, I haven't seen mention of that thing in a long time. I didn't realize it carried into the 70's with improvements in the technology. Pretty cool! Thanks!
What I *really* want is a series hybrid with a modular power-supply. Stick in a battery module for local, daily travel. Stick in the (now) petroleum based ICE module, (later) fuel-cell module, or (really later) Mr. Fusion module for long distance travel. Heck, the neighbors and I could share the cost of the different long-distance modules... when are we all going to go long-distance at the same time? Rarely. And maybe a rental model even makes sense in that case. shrug.
Read what I wrote:
Continued incremental improvements in fuel economy, at a rate roughly equivalent to the inverse of the rise in fuel prices will keep the modern gasoline powered ICE a viable alternative for a long time.
This accounts for peak oil. As peak oil hits and prices climb, the motivation to fund more incremental improvements increases. The result could be that the status quo continues to be viable for quite a while. And those incremental improvements can happen anywhere in the supply chain -- improved extraction from oil sands, more advanced location of new reserves, etc. I suspect we will become quite good at attenuating our need to keep pace with the fall in supply, until we've used every last drop
Please note that I'm no expert in this (or any other!) field and am only speculating on what might happen
Oh, I don't want that. Just stating what I think will happen...
Personally, I'm in favor of everyone (from consumer to corporation) getting their collective heads out of their collective asses and making real change instead of paying it lip service. But I don't see any flying pigs yet. And when I do, I'm sure they'll be powered by fossil fuel ICE's.
But it's potentially enough. ISTM part of the reason the ICE has lasted so long is the continued incremental improvements that make it just good enough to stick with. Continued incremental improvements in fuel economy, at a rate roughly equivalent to the inverse of the rise in fuel prices will keep the modern gasoline powered ICE a viable alternative for a long time.
This kind of improvement, along with better optimized hybrids and other "transitional" technologies effectively allow us to maintain the status quo.
IMVHO, only two things will pitch ICE's off the top of the pile: 1) a radical, cheap, viable, ready-to-go, drop-in-now replacement, or 2) time, a long time.
someone just posted on debian-user that the way to kill zombies is to have the parent processes try to reap them and if that fails, they should get reparented up the chain until their parent becomes init. Then doing `telinit u` will cause init to restart (while maintaining state) and all the zombies will be dropped. I haven't had the chance to try it.
Thankfully, *someone*'s thinking about the children!
And who's unmounting and mounting the toilet?
sudo umount /mnt/bathroom/toilet /dev/plumbing/toilet1 /mnt/bathroom/toilet
sudo modprobe -r american_standard
sudo modprobe kohler
sudo mount
don't forget to sync (3).
I've never operated under an NDA, so help me out with this. The way I've read a lot of this, operating under an NDA puts you in this situation:
you: "What's up today?"
me: "Can't tell you..."
you: "Orly? Why not?"
me: "Can't tell you..."
you: "Heh, okaaaayyy... So want to hook up later? What time are you free?"
me: "Sure, maybe 5:00"
you: "cool.."
me: "Hey can you give me a ride?"
you: "Sure, where're we going?"
me: "Can't tell you..."
it's absurd.
THe conversation should realistically be more like this:
you: "What's up today?" ..."
me: "Oh, I've got a meeting with the palm folks"
you: "oh cool, that's right you're working on the preDevCamp thingy"
me: "yeah."
you: "so what's the meeting about?"
me: "Can't say, I'm under an NDA"
you: "oh cool.
The point is that these guys were working on palm stuff! What's the big secret? It's not like they're working for the competition and going to the meeting is itself a secret. It's damn silly, IMO.
and to be clear, I'm not affiliated in anyway despite what you might think from the dialog above.
you guys have discussed what I wondered about immediately after reading the first article... this lens effect doesn't explain the distribution of handedness of spiral galaxies.
The second article discusses that the shape of the heliopause is influenced by some unknown force. Is it reasonably to suggest that the shape of the heliopause is influenced by whatever causese the Axis of Evil as an external phenomenon?
It is not unreasonable to surmise that if we are able to develop this kind of technology (big if...) prior to developing reasonable technologies for enabling interstellar travel (whether some kind of suspended animation, long term survival technologies, or "warp drive"), then other civilizations may have as well. Thus it follows that any civilization with the technology to visit us would likely have the technology to observe us while remaining unobserved.
So, though your comment is modded funny, I think it's pretty insightful.
IANAOceanographer. But according to wikipedia, the ocean has a volume of approximately 1.3x10^9 cubic kilometers. According to NASA the Wilkins ice sheet has an area of 13680 square kilometers and a maximum thickness of 200 to 250 meters. Taking 225 meters as the average thickness (gotta pick something), the Wilkins ice sheet has a volume of 3078 cubic kilometers. That is about 2.368x10^(-4) percent of the ocean's volume. I've tried the calculations of the effect on salinity, and either I keep making mistakes, or it's too small to show up on my calculator.
ice that is floating is already displacing an amount of water equivalent to it's mass which has... the same volume as the volume of the ice once it's melted (remember that frozen water has a larger volume, lower density, than liquid water). Thus, melting ice that is already floating has zero effect on sea levels.
Erm... No. Sorry, but economics simply doesn't work.
There, fixed that for you.
I'm a late 30-something studying CS and moving more and more into math. probably headed to grad school for some combination of math/cs with any eye towards category and type theory work.
Definitely the younger kids are quick, but they lack depth. I work with some really bright young kids in my math classes and it's great to work with them, but sometimes you have to hit them with the clue bat to get them to see the broader implications. I don't see any of them sitting around just thinking about math, for example, and working out how to apply some newly learned technique to some other problem. Note that I'm speaking in generalities. I know there are some that do....
I've had a couple of internship interviews, though, and it's definitely a little awkward. You have to answer questions like "Why are you making this change in your life?" It's not always so easy to explain and I think they don't believe you when you say something like (the truth) "it's what I should have been doing all along and I've only just now realized it."
For myself, I accept that I'm doing this for my own good, because I love it. If some monetary reward, in the form of a job, comes of it at some point, then great. I'm looking at learning what I want to learn, through grad school and maybe beyond, and trying to get into research and possibly teaching. If I never get a job banging out code, that's okay with me. I already do that in my spare time for open source projects, so I don't necessarily feel this drive to prove it with a job.
As AC said above, I too, heartily recommend going back to school. School as an adult (and face it, once you get to my age you realize how young 20-somethings aren't adults yet, though there are exceptions) is vastly different than as a younger person. It is also definitely the best thing I've ever done for myself, after marrying my gal ;)
November 10, 1988.
you can have my model M when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
I always had a problem with the part where he solved the crime with evidence the reader was not privy to. At least that's how I remember it, it's been at least 20 years since I read any Sherlock Holmes.