I don't wish to take easy potshots at slashdot but why do you ape the language of big news corporations in your story:
If DRM is the future of controlling our media files
There is no 'our' media.
DRM is coming
Look, all of this is a nonsense. Really the world is splitting into two directions; those who believe passionately in freedom and control over their own lives and those who haven't quite woken up to the value of, or understood what that means.
There is nothing else. DRM is haxx0r bait to be circumvented and stamped on. It's there to protect the traditional structures, the big corporations primarily. Some smaller outlets may find a use for it occasionally, but it's not there for them. There is so much good media out there with no DRM and those outlets manage to survive and thrive so I think that reveals quite a lot.
Forced DRM is not compatible with any concept of normal use or freedom or control over one's own systems and files as far as I can ascertain.
As far as Sun goes, to be honest it's preferable in the sense that an open standard is probably better than a closed one, but all said it's working under the erroneous presumption that some sort of wooly, cowering compliance and affection for DRM is about to take over the world, which it won't.
What was once simply common folk making interesting podcasts will soon (if not already) become yet another communication medium saturated with advertisements and promotions, reducing its value.
Possibly, but I disagree, a few posts pack there is an article about independent net radio and similar media, someone brought up 9/11 Truth radio.
There is an enormous appetite for this kind of stuff these days because it's simply not being delivered by the so called mainstream broadcasting at all. On those very rare occasions I switch on the TV, it's just one terrible slice of goverment press releases. It's unwatchable.
When I discovered podcasting (which I'd long avoided as it seemed another shallow buzzword like blogs etc) I was really impressed at some of the content out there which I would call as good as if not better than any commerical mainstream outlet would produce. Even the crap podcasts are well...no more crap than the crap you would hear on the radio.
Ads aren't neccesarily a crime. It really depends on context. Targeted ads (although I tend to block all web page ads) are at least better than generic stupid TV ads or worse still 'state broadcasting' and if it's a podcast rather than a stream you can always skip them of course.
In a nutshell IMHO, if you have something to say ads are ok, if you don't then ads aren't gonna help you anyway.
AC it was sarcasm, and deliberate misinfo about Iraq reflecting that some huge proportion of Americans believe(d) that Iraq was responsible for 9/11.
Read it again, we are on the same side. For the record, if I'd managed to goad a brainwashed Neocon out instead as was my cunning plan then I would have explained how people I know in the UK armed forces knew only too well what a shocking crock of shit this war was/is and what it was really for.
Ah the mod was right, I spoke out of turn. It's a noble thing to do to serve in the armed forces. It was never my calling but I have friends who serve in some well known British regiments and they tell me all about it and how they felt in the lead up to the Iraq war and about WMDs and about all kinds of stuff.
What motivated this guy was probably what motivates a lot of Americans; when Saddam's henchmen drove those planes into the twin towers on that terrible day it struck a chord in the US psyche.
That Cindy Sheehan, she's obviously a twisted democrat anyway, her mind warped by Michael Moore and other pinko commies. And I say this, all this talk that Neocons used to be communists is very damaging and distinctly un-American.
I enlisted four and a half years ago in the Army National Guard, and in two weeks time I'm actually leaving for Iraq.
Don't get the joke why you were modded redundant, but I think dirty briefs are the last thing you have to worry about. Try DU, experimental army vaccines, being asked to pose with tortured and murdered prisoners and the legitimacy of the occupation.
There are websites run by and for al-Qaeda for the purposes of communications and the spread of propaganda. I don't believe we need to debate this point, but feel free to offer opinion otherwise.
There is no 'al-Qaeda' as I understand it, it's like closing down warez sites; there is no 'Organization of Warez' run by one mastermind. But there are too sides to the propaganda. I would call 90% of coverage on the WoT in the mainstream media as fairly worthless propaganda, I don't see anyone saying let's close down Fox and the BBC. Of course I'm not saying these alleged aq sites are great sources of unbiased information with good intent, I'm sure they are not, but if propaganda were a crime Slashdot would be locked up with the key thrown away some time ago.
When identified, we can either use these websites as intelligence gathering tools, or shut them down. In this case, it appears the latter course of action was chosen.
Yeah but there is no 'we', you are not participating in the decision. Remember Bliar sees other issues as a slippery slope; notably criticism of the US and Israel. So who will be next ?
I consider myself to be a rabid supporter of civil liberties, but there's a point when you need to accept that something isn't a civil liberties issue
In this case shutting web sites down is an easy gesture to present to a Murdoch zombified population that their government is 'doing something'. But censorship typically creates more problems than it solves and has backfired before with regards terrorism.
Konfabulator == widgets; desktop thingys made from *ml, javascript etc.
Apple later came up with Dashboard, created the mother of all smokescreens about Desktop Accessories to plead that it was not inspired by Konfabulator and the rest is history.
Apple's behaviour apparently wasn't breaking any law as such but it was the equivalent of some kid leaning over your shoulder and copying your homework. I expect the Dashboard apologists will appear shortly pointing to a piece of FUD called daringfireball, but the question remains:
would Dashboard have existed in the form it does, using the underlying technologies it does, trying to serve the purpose it does and look how it does if Konfabulator never had existed ?
answer: um...ah....oh
I say good luck to Konfabulator, hope they got a good price from Yahoo
I can't be bothered to read all the posts and I'm d/ling the stream now , although I have read an interview with him before but this guy is an absolute hero, what a genius. 10 out of 10 for making a complete monkey of US security.
And he was looking for aliens, spaceships and non terristrial officers ! Awesome. I recall he said he couldn't even be assed to cover his tracks anymore. It's hilarious, it's sensational, it's daring. They should give this guy a big reward. Brilliant
The problem I have with this and similar views is that you are putting an awful lot of faith in the state to manage, control and look after your life and to switch off a whole load of safeguards in the hope that it will one day pay off in some way which would be greater than what you sacrificed to acheive it.
But trying to send the world backwards in time is not only dangerous, it is ineffective. People have fought and died for their freedoms for passionate soul-felt reasons, not to make life harder for the police in certain types of investigation.
And then when terror is still happening even when the police have powers to 'make you' (don't know how this means anything with a suicide bomber but I'll humour you) hand over encryption keys, or to access enormous back logs of ISP data or can 'stop' you sympathizing with someone in Palestine who blew themselvses up, what do you do ?
Police states don't have zero terrorism, far from it. They have terrorism and enormous corruption and injustices to boot.
All this crap like indirect incitement to terrorism, data retention, demanding keys ironically has zero effect on the determined terrorist but has a large effect on people and businesses who rightly value their personal lives as their personal lives.
This idea that you will be 'safe' (whatever that means) in letting the police and government have access to more and more of your private life has been widely discredited as ineffective and dangerous. And that's not even considering the lies and motives of this UK government who set out to deliberately mislead about Iraq.
Finally, I admit. I tend to feel sorry for you when you mention John Howard. This guy is a total me-too 'please give me more of a slice of the war on terror' puppet. His views on anything are irrelevant. i did some silly pictures of him
House of Representatives: Who the heck are you representing?
House of Representatives is the lower house, equivalent to House of Commons in the UK ?
I know our MPs don't vote based on what people want or what they believe in. They vote on what the party line is or what they think is a good idea.
I wrote to my own MP about ID Cards in the UK telling him what a bad idea it was. Little point though as the guy is an unapologetic, corrupt, spineless toad for New Labour and will just do whatever the great Bliar tells him.
I doubt Apple's move to Intel is particularly harmful to IBM either.
But it does paint a bleak picture for the future in locking consumers into one architecture (x86) and this is an extremely dangerous and uncompetitive situation for consumers.
Sure Apple are under no moral responsibility to keep using PPC to avert that outcome, but it hardly represents a step forward for choice.
Whilst someone could theoretically put G5s into a new desktop PC and bundle Linux with it that doesn't seem a very likely outcome, and you have to wonder about IBM's appetite for continuing a line in PowerPCs suitable for a desktop machine when most of their stuff seems to be geared toward consoles these days.
The repurcussions of Apple moving to Intel are, in a wider sense no joke and a very real. Quite frankly customers deserve better.
Not that I personally give much of a hoot about corporate profits I don't. I don't subscribe to the piracy == lost sales argument either. In fact, like many others I believe piracy is great asset to many software companies, after all 100% free distribution plus you still get your 'honest' customers to pay for the stuff, sounds like having your cake and eating it to me.
However, and I know I may get flamed here, but if Open source equivalents were as slick and as easy to use as their propreitary counterparts not only may it held curb piracy (if that is an important aim, which I'm not convinced it is) but it would probably be a massive blow to these companies who are crying about piracy and endorsing these token arrests.
Opensource has already won on the server and development front. Good inroads on the graphics/desktop/workstation front with Gimp, Blender, Open Office etc. But come up with killer looking apps that are as a good or better than Photoshop, Maya etc. and the effects could be enormous.
It just proves what a waste of time ID cards are though doesn't it?
a piece of plastic tied to a database (even with the most detailed profiles and 'risk' assessment of that individual) will not stop anyone who is determined to do plant bombs or blow themselves up. It will just screw up everyones life EXCEPT the terrrorist.
Timing on this is suspicious of course. ID Card support in the UK is descending into the gutter.
Something rather fishy afoot with Blair's speech too which seemed a little too rehearsed for my liking.
Excellent post. And I think it's exactly how many feel.
Tommorow it will be business as usual really.
The truth is London is very used to terror attacks. Yes it terrible, especially if you are involved, but no more terrible than any other acts of terror from the past, or acts of violence going on across the world.
Would this put me off traveling on the tube and start sticking union jacks up everywhere and crying let's all be patriotic ? Um...no, not even close
I just really worry how Blair will try and use this for his own ends to manipulate the sheep out there, and how this could be used to fuel more discrimination and bullshit.
But for anyone with a grain of common sense, life goes on.
Unfortunately your feelings are probably right which makes the conspiracy theories around 9/11 all the more inviting. What a perfect way to regain control of the world and establish a new world order. We will see what happens, and some of us will die before we surrender our liberty of course, but my feeling is if it looks like the US (and their poodle countries) are starting to loose the debate on ID cards/more snooping/more intrusion/more spying/more surveliance/DRM madness/pre-emptive strike doctrine/torture of suspects etc etc etc then it is not impossible that we will see a new installment of something like 9/11 to give the ignorant masses a refresher injection of terror and to push them into compliance with government and big corporations (which we could almost treat together as one blob with shared objectives...hence recent MS ID scheme)
At the end of the day, what the US is doing now will eventually crumble in time because there is no other place it can go in the longterm. This bullshit will be destroyed because even the richest, most powerful empires always crumble in time. That is the way of things. The problem is we could go through a very very ugly period in world history before it does.
It is vital therefore that America re-establish itself as a benign place of freedoms and rights and opportunity, not as the interfering, snooping pre-emptive empire that it seems to be becoming. I've always been very cynical about Europe for instance and the EU, but if that becomes the counter balance to American insanity and paranoia so much the better.
Exactly. I just found a whole page of this by searching 'web proxy' without the quotes and going down the search results to about page 6 or so. Interesting, when I reloaded the page all of that/url?sa= stuff was gone and the links were direct again.
Seems like a new Firefox extension (and something for other browsers too) is required to kill that stone cold.
This seemed to be an experiment which lasted a few days as I recall and seems to be abandonded for now at least. Up until a few days ago on google.co.uk I could still find those url= links by going way down the search results..I'm trying to find an example for you now but I can't find one this second.
I was surprised there wasn't a big outcry about this at the time
Also a bit of fancy javascript could probably also grab what you clicked and send it to google.
There is some truth in that. But people have to try. Because if you don't try nothing happens and stupid, ridiculous and often socially divisive laws are forced onto people.
Some people have mentioned the UK under your post, when the then UK Home secretary (Blunkett) went mad one day and started cooking up crazy ideas about giving the postman, the milkman and the food standards agency the right to read your email and inspect your internet and mobile phone communicatons there was an uproar and many including myself did write to several MPs at the time. I am glad I did.
Blunkett backtracked later on and acknowledged the stupid bungle he had made. Ok maybe that wasn't down to people faxing and emailing and more the media scorn poured on his idea but it is still good to be part of something like that, and these things are always worth fighting for.
I tried to get that as a story on./ and a couple of other similar sites but no luck yet.
I've got a feeeeeling this story is not settled by any means, despite what some may think. It's truly beyond mind boggling what has happened and does indeed test reality and make you doubt your own eyes.
Slashdot Mirror
I don't wish to take easy potshots at slashdot but why do you ape the language of big news corporations in your story:
If DRM is the future of controlling our media files
There is no 'our' media.
DRM is coming
Look, all of this is a nonsense. Really the world is splitting into two directions; those who believe passionately in freedom and control over their own lives and those who haven't quite woken up to the value of, or understood what that means.
There is nothing else. DRM is haxx0r bait to be circumvented and stamped on. It's there to protect the traditional structures, the big corporations primarily. Some smaller outlets may find a use for it occasionally, but it's not there for them. There is so much good media out there with no DRM and those outlets manage to survive and thrive so I think that reveals quite a lot.
Forced DRM is not compatible with any concept of normal use or freedom or control over one's own systems and files as far as I can ascertain.
As far as Sun goes, to be honest it's preferable in the sense that an open standard is probably better than a closed one, but all said it's working under the erroneous presumption that some sort of wooly, cowering compliance and affection for DRM is about to take over the world, which it won't.
What was once simply common folk making interesting podcasts will soon (if not already) become yet another communication medium saturated with advertisements and promotions, reducing its value.
Possibly, but I disagree, a few posts pack there is an article about independent net radio and similar media, someone brought up 9/11 Truth radio.
There is an enormous appetite for this kind of stuff these days because it's simply not being delivered by the so called mainstream broadcasting at all. On those very rare occasions I switch on the TV, it's just one terrible slice of goverment press releases. It's unwatchable.
When I discovered podcasting (which I'd long avoided as it seemed another shallow buzzword like blogs etc) I was really impressed at some of the content out there which I would call as good as if not better than any commerical mainstream outlet would produce. Even the crap podcasts are well...no more crap than the crap you would hear on the radio.
Ads aren't neccesarily a crime. It really depends on context. Targeted ads (although I tend to block all web page ads) are at least better than generic stupid TV ads or worse still 'state broadcasting' and if it's a podcast rather than a stream you can always skip them of course.
In a nutshell IMHO, if you have something to say ads are ok, if you don't then ads aren't gonna help you anyway.
Seems I've baited my own team.
AC it was sarcasm, and deliberate misinfo about Iraq reflecting that some huge proportion of Americans believe(d) that Iraq was responsible for 9/11.
Read it again, we are on the same side. For the record, if I'd managed to goad a brainwashed Neocon out instead as was my cunning plan then I would have explained how people I know in the UK armed forces knew only too well what a shocking crock of shit this war was/is and what it was really for.
Ah the mod was right, I spoke out of turn. It's a noble thing to do to serve in the armed forces. It was never my calling but I have friends who serve in some well known British regiments and they tell me all about it and how they felt in the lead up to the Iraq war and about WMDs and about all kinds of stuff.
What motivated this guy was probably what motivates a lot of Americans; when Saddam's henchmen drove those planes into the twin towers on that terrible day it struck a chord in the US psyche.
That Cindy Sheehan, she's obviously a twisted democrat anyway, her mind warped by Michael Moore and other pinko commies. And I say this, all this talk that Neocons used to be communists is very damaging and distinctly un-American.
I enlisted four and a half years ago in the Army National Guard, and in two weeks time I'm actually leaving for Iraq.
Don't get the joke why you were modded redundant, but I think dirty briefs are the last thing you have to worry about. Try DU, experimental army vaccines, being asked to pose with tortured and murdered prisoners and the legitimacy of the occupation.
There are websites run by and for al-Qaeda for the purposes of communications and the spread of propaganda. I don't believe we need to debate this point, but feel free to offer opinion otherwise.
There is no 'al-Qaeda' as I understand it, it's like closing down warez sites; there is no 'Organization of Warez' run by one mastermind. But there are too sides to the propaganda. I would call 90% of coverage on the WoT in the mainstream media as fairly worthless propaganda, I don't see anyone saying let's close down Fox and the BBC. Of course I'm not saying these alleged aq sites are great sources of unbiased information with good intent, I'm sure they are not, but if propaganda were a crime Slashdot would be locked up with the key thrown away some time ago.
When identified, we can either use these websites as intelligence gathering tools, or shut them down. In this case, it appears the latter course of action was chosen.
Yeah but there is no 'we', you are not participating in the decision. Remember Bliar sees other issues as a slippery slope; notably criticism of the US and Israel. So who will be next ?
I consider myself to be a rabid supporter of civil liberties, but there's a point when you need to accept that something isn't a civil liberties issue
In this case shutting web sites down is an easy gesture to present to a Murdoch zombified population that their government is 'doing something'. But censorship typically creates more problems than it solves and has backfired before with regards terrorism.
Konfabulator == widgets; desktop thingys made from *ml, javascript etc.
Apple later came up with Dashboard, created the mother of all smokescreens about Desktop Accessories to plead that it was not inspired by Konfabulator and the rest is history.
Apple's behaviour apparently wasn't breaking any law as such but it was the equivalent of some kid leaning over your shoulder and copying your homework. I expect the Dashboard apologists will appear shortly pointing to a piece of FUD called daringfireball, but the question remains:
would Dashboard have existed in the form it does, using the underlying technologies it does, trying to serve the purpose it does and look how it does if Konfabulator never had existed ?
answer: um...ah....oh
I say good luck to Konfabulator, hope they got a good price from Yahoo
I can't be bothered to read all the posts and I'm d/ling the stream now , although I have read an interview with him before but this guy is an absolute hero, what a genius. 10 out of 10 for making a complete monkey of US security.
And he was looking for aliens, spaceships and non terristrial officers ! Awesome. I recall he said he couldn't even be assed to cover his tracks anymore. It's hilarious, it's sensational, it's daring. They should give this guy a big reward. Brilliant
The problem I have with this and similar views is that you are putting an awful lot of faith in the state to manage, control and look after your life and to switch off a whole load of safeguards in the hope that it will one day pay off in some way which would be greater than what you sacrificed to acheive it.
But trying to send the world backwards in time is not only dangerous, it is ineffective. People have fought and died for their freedoms for passionate soul-felt reasons, not to make life harder for the police in certain types of investigation.
And then when terror is still happening even when the police have powers to 'make you' (don't know how this means anything with a suicide bomber but I'll humour you) hand over encryption keys, or to access enormous back logs of ISP data or can 'stop' you sympathizing with someone in Palestine who blew themselvses up, what do you do ?
Police states don't have zero terrorism, far from it. They have terrorism and enormous corruption and injustices to boot.
All this crap like indirect incitement to terrorism, data retention, demanding keys ironically has zero effect on the determined terrorist but has a large effect on people and businesses who rightly value their personal lives as their personal lives.
This idea that you will be 'safe' (whatever that means) in letting the police and government have access to more and more of your private life has been widely discredited as ineffective and dangerous. And that's not even considering the lies and motives of this UK government who set out to deliberately mislead about Iraq.
Finally, I admit. I tend to feel sorry for you when you mention John Howard. This guy is a total me-too 'please give me more of a slice of the war on terror' puppet. His views on anything are irrelevant. i did some silly pictures of him
(quick, who is occupying PAKISTAN?)
America's tentacles are already all over Pakistan. Setting up Musharaf as the next Saddam.
Difference is Musharraf already has home grown WMDs and had his own people selling nuclear secrets, or was that your point ?
House of Representatives: Who the heck are you representing?
House of Representatives is the lower house, equivalent to House of Commons in the UK ?
I know our MPs don't vote based on what people want or what they believe in. They vote on what the party line is or what they think is a good idea.
I wrote to my own MP about ID Cards in the UK telling him what a bad idea it was. Little point though as the guy is an unapologetic, corrupt, spineless toad for New Labour and will just do whatever the great Bliar tells him.
I doubt Apple's move to Intel is particularly harmful to IBM either.
But it does paint a bleak picture for the future in locking consumers into one architecture (x86) and this is an extremely dangerous and uncompetitive situation for consumers.
Sure Apple are under no moral responsibility to keep using PPC to avert that outcome, but it hardly represents a step forward for choice.
Whilst someone could theoretically put G5s into a new desktop PC and bundle Linux with it that doesn't seem a very likely outcome, and you have to wonder about IBM's appetite for continuing a line in PowerPCs suitable for a desktop machine when most of their stuff seems to be geared toward consoles these days.
The repurcussions of Apple moving to Intel are, in a wider sense no joke and a very real. Quite frankly customers deserve better.
Not that I personally give much of a hoot about corporate profits I don't. I don't subscribe to the piracy == lost sales argument either. In fact, like many others I believe piracy is great asset to many software companies, after all 100% free distribution plus you still get your 'honest' customers to pay for the stuff, sounds like having your cake and eating it to me.
However, and I know I may get flamed here, but if Open source equivalents were as slick and as easy to use as their propreitary counterparts not only may it held curb piracy (if that is an important aim, which I'm not convinced it is) but it would probably be a massive blow to these companies who are crying about piracy and endorsing these token arrests.
Opensource has already won on the server and development front. Good inroads on the graphics/desktop/workstation front with Gimp, Blender, Open Office etc. But come up with killer looking apps that are as a good or better than Photoshop, Maya etc. and the effects could be enormous.
Make that a triple on ID cards.
It just proves what a waste of time ID cards are though doesn't it?
a piece of plastic tied to a database (even with the most detailed profiles and 'risk' assessment of that individual) will not stop anyone who is determined to do plant bombs or blow themselves up. It will just screw up everyones life EXCEPT the terrrorist.
Timing on this is suspicious of course. ID Card support in the UK is descending into the gutter.
Something rather fishy afoot with Blair's speech too which seemed a little too rehearsed for my liking.
Excellent post. And I think it's exactly how many feel.
Tommorow it will be business as usual really.
The truth is London is very used to terror attacks. Yes it terrible, especially if you are involved, but no more terrible than any other acts of terror from the past, or acts of violence going on across the world.
Would this put me off traveling on the tube and start sticking union jacks up everywhere and crying let's all be patriotic ? Um...no, not even close
I just really worry how Blair will try and use this for his own ends to manipulate the sheep out there, and how this could be used to fuel more discrimination and bullshit.
But for anyone with a grain of common sense, life goes on.
Big congratulations to all those who fought for this.
Finally some good news today
Unfortunately your feelings are probably right which makes the conspiracy theories around 9/11 all the more inviting. What a perfect way to regain control of the world and establish a new world order. We will see what happens, and some of us will die before we surrender our liberty of course, but my feeling is if it looks like the US (and their poodle countries) are starting to loose the debate on ID cards/more snooping/more intrusion/more spying/more surveliance/DRM madness/pre-emptive strike doctrine/torture of suspects etc etc etc then it is not impossible that we will see a new installment of something like 9/11 to give the ignorant masses a refresher injection of terror and to push them into compliance with government and big corporations (which we could almost treat together as one blob with shared objectives...hence recent MS ID scheme)
At the end of the day, what the US is doing now will eventually crumble in time because there is no other place it can go in the longterm. This bullshit will be destroyed because even the richest, most powerful empires always crumble in time. That is the way of things. The problem is we could go through a very very ugly period in world history before it does.
It is vital therefore that America re-establish itself as a benign place of freedoms and rights and opportunity, not as the interfering, snooping pre-emptive empire that it seems to be becoming. I've always been very cynical about Europe for instance and the EU, but if that becomes the counter balance to American insanity and paranoia so much the better.
Exactly. I just found a whole page of this by searching 'web proxy' without the quotes and going down the search results to about page 6 or so. Interesting, when I reloaded the page all of that /url?sa= stuff was gone and the links were direct again.
Seems like a new Firefox extension (and something for other browsers too) is required to kill that stone cold.
Incase you hadn't noticed google links are direct
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oh no not quite. Very recently they started changing all the search results links to (something like, I can't quite remember):
http://google.com?url=http://websiteyouclicked.co
This seemed to be an experiment which lasted a few days as I recall and seems to be abandonded for now at least. Up until a few days ago on google.co.uk I could still find those url= links by going way down the search results..I'm trying to find an example for you now but I can't find one this second.
I was surprised there wasn't a big outcry about this at the time
Also a bit of fancy javascript could probably also grab what you clicked and send it to google.
Couldn't agree with you more.
There is some truth in that. But people have to try. Because if you don't try nothing happens and stupid, ridiculous and often socially divisive laws are forced onto people.
Some people have mentioned the UK under your post, when the then UK Home secretary (Blunkett) went mad one day and started cooking up crazy ideas about giving the postman, the milkman and the food standards agency the right to read your email and inspect your internet and mobile phone communicatons there was an uproar and many including myself did write to several MPs at the time. I am glad I did.
Blunkett backtracked later on and acknowledged the stupid bungle he had made. Ok maybe that wasn't down to people faxing and emailing and more the media scorn poured on his idea but it is still good to be part of something like that, and these things are always worth fighting for.
he even looks at the camera for a second!....just before he says 'Desktop Accessory'. ROTFLMAO anyone remember when that guy in The Office did that ?
I tried to get that as a story on ./ and a couple of other similar sites but no luck yet.
I've got a feeeeeling this story is not settled by any means, despite what some may think. It's truly beyond mind boggling what has happened and does indeed test reality and make you doubt your own eyes.
4:47 It's even BETTER than I remember the first time. What a classic.
Click OnLine, BBC's tech show:
e /worl_click_030505_show_hi.rm?Media=60506
http://stream.servstream.com/ViewWeb/BBCWorld/Fil
Cole asks Apple manager: is Dashboard a big rip off of Konfabulator?
Apple manager's response:um, er...Desk..Accessory...um...things......from before....like