--I'm right there with you. Computer == my vocation, and I don't work for free - even for family. Regular rate is $20/hr, family and CLOSE friends gets $15/hr.
--If I had a 75K/yr job I probably wouldn't care, but not having a job for a L-O-N-G time alters your perspective.
--Seriously, perhaps you two should band together and take on some open-source projects that involve both perl and java. You would complement each other's weak areas.
> BUT, if there was an exploit in FreeBSD would the linux community come to it's rescue? Not a chance in the world.
--Bzzt. Hello, there are some people involved in kernel development that are working with *BSD **AND** linux. If BSD asked for help, I bet there *are* a few people who would step up and give assistance.
From the article: > There's absolutely no reason for there to be more than two or three distributions.
--Um, right now off the top of my head we have:
o Debian (and.deb-based derivatives) o Red Hat (and rpm-based derivatives such as SuSE, etc) o Gentoo (and I should add Slackware, after double-checking here.)
--Those are the major families that come to my mind immediately.
--The reason for having distros like SuSE is that they took the RH model and did something a little different with it. Personally I preferred Suse 6.4 / 7.3 over RH's offerings at the time, and went with it. However that's NO EXCUSE for having incompatible RPM's.
--The beauty of Debian installs is that.deb's are pretty much universal. I can install Knoppix or Mepis and link straight to the Debian package sources, and everything pretty much "just works" when I do apt-get update / upgrade. Not so with suse / rh, which is one of the big reasons I won't go back to RPM.
--I agree that we could stand some merging of distros (Mepis could investigate merging with Libranet, for instance) but there are distros such as Suse that cater to a more European audience, and would never merge with RH - although they did get bought by Novell. What they *should* do is make all the RPM packages from here on work with any rpm-based distro, and concentrate on the value-added distro-specific tools (Mepis has it's own System Center, Libranet has it's Admin menu, Suse has Yast, etc.)
(excerpt) > no one worked, everyone was poor, morale was nonexistent. > Under the benevolent dictator, --- everyone worked, and everyone had a purpose.
--Hell, our **American economy** could learn from this guy.
> Sooner or later, some malware will arrive that does the Unthinkable on a Windows box. A nearby Mac OS X and Linux box will likely go untouched. Watch managerial heads turn. Watch for the shift.
--The world has already had so many freakin' Unthinkables on Win boxen it's not even funny. That's why the shift is already happening - but slowly.
"Strike Linus down, and Linux shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
--The world loves a martyr.
Re:Taking a moment for clarification.
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--One could argue that learning shell scripting is much easier than learning Perl or Python. Shoot, I'd rather re-learn REXX (I'm an old mainframe hound) than try picking up those two from scratch.
--I agree, some commercial *nixes scale far beyond what Linux is currently capable of. We'll probably catch up in a few years, but there are also things like hotswap, fault-tolerance, etc that are supported on $vendor-only hardware and are not easily implemented on "generic PC" hardware.
> On one side, you have things like Levitra, which airs during football games, and shows a guy throwing a football through the hole on a tire swing...repeatedly. With his wife smiling and clearly pleased. Does anyone NOT know what this is for?:-)
--Well, I didn't... Until you mentioned it THAT way. I thought it was a pain reliever or something. They had a guy throwing a baseball for a pain-relief commercial not too long ago.
--Get your mind out of the gutter, you're crowding me out...
> of course, the first time they tried it, the humans broke ranks and just ran away from the orcs. What does that say?
--They weren't running away, they were executing a "strategic retreat" in order to set up an ambush. Breaking ranks was just to make it look convincing. (whistles innocently)
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--I'm right there with you. Computer == my vocation, and I don't work for free - even for family. Regular rate is $20/hr, family and CLOSE friends gets $15/hr.
--If I had a 75K/yr job I probably wouldn't care, but not having a job for a L-O-N-G time alters your perspective.
--Seriously, perhaps you two should band together and take on some open-source projects that involve both perl and java. You would complement each other's weak areas.
Salient Green is PURPOSEFUL!!
/salute
--I really hope you put a LABEL on your keyboard for future reference, as well...
> BUT, if there was an exploit in FreeBSD would the linux community come to it's rescue? Not a chance in the world.
--Bzzt. Hello, there are some people involved in kernel development that are working with *BSD **AND** linux. If BSD asked for help, I bet there *are* a few people who would step up and give assistance.
--U R teh r00t. TFP. :)
...lmao! Good1.
jstar, of course. :)
...and for GUI, nedit.
From the article:
.deb-based derivatives)
.deb's are pretty much universal. I can install Knoppix or Mepis and link straight to the Debian package sources, and everything pretty much "just works" when I do apt-get update / upgrade. Not so with suse / rh, which is one of the big reasons I won't go back to RPM.
> There's absolutely no reason for there to be more than two or three distributions.
--Um, right now off the top of my head we have:
o Debian (and
o Red Hat (and rpm-based derivatives such as SuSE, etc)
o Gentoo (and I should add Slackware, after double-checking here.)
--Those are the major families that come to my mind immediately.
--The reason for having distros like SuSE is that they took the RH model and did something a little different with it. Personally I preferred Suse 6.4 / 7.3 over RH's offerings at the time, and went with it. However that's NO EXCUSE for having incompatible RPM's.
--The beauty of Debian installs is that
--I agree that we could stand some merging of distros (Mepis could investigate merging with Libranet, for instance) but there are distros such as Suse that cater to a more European audience, and would never merge with RH - although they did get bought by Novell. What they *should* do is make all the RPM packages from here on work with any rpm-based distro, and concentrate on the value-added distro-specific tools (Mepis has it's own System Center, Libranet has it's Admin menu, Suse has Yast, etc.)
(excerpt)
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> no one worked, everyone was poor, morale was nonexistent.
> Under the benevolent dictator, --- everyone worked, and everyone had a purpose.
--Hell, our **American economy** could learn from this guy.
whyyesasamatteroffactI*AM*bitter,thanksforaskin
> The King is Queen. God save the Dead
:b
--To me it makes more sense when written like this:
"The Queen is King. God save the Dead."
--Anyway, "The King is dead! God save the Queen!!"
> Sooner or later, some malware will arrive that does the Unthinkable on a Windows box. A nearby Mac OS X and Linux box will likely go untouched. Watch managerial heads turn. Watch for the shift.
--The world has already had so many freakin' Unthinkables on Win boxen it's not even funny. That's why the shift is already happening - but slowly.
"Strike Linus down, and Linux shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
--The world loves a martyr.
--One could argue that learning shell scripting is much easier than learning Perl or Python. Shoot, I'd rather re-learn REXX (I'm an old mainframe hound) than try picking up those two from scratch.
--I agree, some commercial *nixes scale far beyond what Linux is currently capable of. We'll probably catch up in a few years, but there are also things like hotswap, fault-tolerance, etc that are supported on $vendor-only hardware and are not easily implemented on "generic PC" hardware.
YOU NAIL IT!
TFP. HAND.
huzzah for the slashdot lameness filter, for it is teh sux0r.
> Only danger is somebody looking over your sholder, and that is easy to take care of.
:b
--Yep, I've found that a GOOD SHARP JAB IN THE EYE often discourages snoopers.
Lost in Translation == Suntory Whiskey (actually I was going to post this as a joke and found out it's a real product while googling for it!)
Saruman drinks Jolt. ;-) Think about it...
> On one side, you have things like Levitra, which airs during football games, and shows a guy throwing a football through the hole on a tire swing...repeatedly. With his wife smiling and clearly pleased. Does anyone NOT know what this is for? :-)
--Well, I didn't... Until you mentioned it THAT way. I thought it was a pain reliever or something. They had a guy throwing a baseball for a pain-relief commercial not too long ago.
--Get your mind out of the gutter, you're crowding me out...
August 2004 - Headline New Zealand
"And in today's story, the birth rate here in sunny New Zealand has suddenly and mysteriously shot right through the roof..."
--I would love to see this animated Wallace-and-Gromit style. ;-)
> of course, the first time they tried it, the humans broke ranks and just ran away from the orcs. What does that say?
--They weren't running away, they were executing a "strategic retreat" in order to set up an ambush. Breaking ranks was just to make it look convincing. (whistles innocently)
--Thanx for that; I never knew why they opened the doors all the time. To me it just seemed to make the shuttle more vulnerable.
--Nice try, but you can't post and mod the same discussion -- unless you have more than 1 account.