Black pants, black shoes, black socks (yes I've seen ppl wear gray, white, red etc with the forementioned), black belt and a nicely colored shirt, sometimes plain color sometimes with discrete pattern on it (if it takes more than 2 seconds to analyze the pattern... nope aint going to be worn). Now depending on the color shirt, the exposure of my t-shirt I normally wear will define the color of t-shirt.
When I was supporting a manufacturing environment's network and computer based production systems jeans and collared shirt since I was crawling around alsorts of oil, yuck and other stuff.
Oh and if you are female there is a fine line between a nice shirt, with slight exposure to "Hey I am a slut, promote me or let me blow you." The latter you may be able to pull off if you do not have the attitude to go with it.
2 years for my mother, the anti-rejection drugs, the previous cancer treatments and the act of nuking her immune system for the BMT just weakened her way to much. She ended up in rejection and then died of Pneumonia because even the industrial strength antibiotics they gave her could not help.
I was not implying she needed to put up with borderline sexual harassment. But one of the things you need to make candidates aware of is the environment has been guy orientated and that is no excuse to put up with something that makes her feel uncomfortable. I.e. she needs to speak out or inform her manager, often it is simple as a manager going: “Hey guys, knock it off it aint cool.” And it is solved. Most guys tend not to realize they are going over the line or approaching it. Sometime just a simple correction is all that is needed.
My current place of employment where I am in the process of departing from (my choice, they have no idea I am looking) we were a bunch of guys with one very laid back woman on our team. Sometimes we would step over the line; in fact my manager came out once and told a couple co-workers, “Guys, Sally (not her real name) is in the room!” We were lucky that Sally is extremely laid back and pokes fun back at us and would tell us when we cross the line. Fast forward a couple years, she is now in a different group (not because of us) and we hired new people (three women) to work on our team.
Of the new hires that are women, and one is very uptight, very demanding for a new hire of things being setup to accommodate her and her way of thinking etc. She refuses to join in on team discussions and she refuses to go out of her way to learn. She expects people to cater to her, change the way we act (she dislikes joking in the work place), she refuses our managers orders that I am the senior guy on the team and when he is not around she is to take direction from me. Because of her nature, her constant complaining to management about anything and everything they are afraid to manage her and set her straight and they let her through her probation period; the other female new hires are friendly, they joke around and like a laid back environment. Heck we guys listen to them talking about the guy they saw last night and sometimes across a border that should not discussed at work. We shrug it off, it happens and move on.
Why am I telling you this? Personalities can kill a work place, sure your team may seem to be a bunch of unprofessional dorks, but again what is your environment like? There is being unprofessional, then there is joviality, sometimes the humor crosses the line, let them know when and most adults are reasonable and apologize and clean it up. The fact of the matter is when you have a team that joke around, then it is a team that bonds and works well together and supports each other. Joking and social interaction builds camaraderie and it sets your team up to work well in stressful situations and work through the issue no matter how many hours it takes.
If you hired this new girl, then obviously you discussed the work environment and hopefully she interviewed with some of your team members. If you failed to tell her about the environment and you failed to let her know that if some humor makes her feel uncomfortable to tell the offender or you as her manager so you can tell them to knock off, then you failed in your job and have set your team up to fail. If the new hire understands this and is cool about it, then see how she works out and how she interacts – the one uptight woman I mentioned I told management to extend her probation period another three months and they did not. Once she crossed that three month barrier then the real complaining/whining began. DO NOT make this mistake, the probation period is there for a reason - they do not work out byebye.
Please do not use the "think of the children" defense. It is as bad as the "think of the terrorists" excuse they are using.
I am of legal age. I do not want to be felt up by a stranger. That should be enough to NOT do it. No need to use children as an excuse to stop something that is bad.
As parents my wife and I refuse to fly at the moment while these issues are being resolved. My two year old does not need exposed to xrays from these scanning machines and he does not need to be groped and violated because he might be a two year old terrorist. As adults my wife and I are more than comfortable slapping the hands or pushing away a TSA agent who violates our personal space (and deal with the consequences) but our son is not capable of making that decision and as his parents (his advocates) we're opting to make it for him by not flying.
So yes I am thinking of my son first and my wife and I's comfort come in second. You are not a parent apparently and if you were you would be in agreement that we need to think of our children.
ME? I believe it was only after they pounded on her chest for hours to do the drowning revivial scene. She left the set because after hours of filming the last take, the camera ran out of tape.
My first low-entry-barrier BASIC program was in QBasic. I wrote a war-dialer (hey, I was 11 and had just discovered my first BBS and wondered what else was out there).
Logged connectable devices to a txt file, came back in the morning with my mum pissed as hell at me for tying up the phone all night and part of the morning. Didn't discover a lot, oh well. It was fun, taught me some stuff.
He is a dick for avoiding products from China? Or is he using his god damn right to decide where to purchase his products from? I agree, you are a dick. Get a clue.
Personally I want Elite III: First Encounters but modern:) That was a seriously kick ass game! X series does okay, but I loved being able to enter a planets atmosphere, drop in over landing destination or just cruise around the globe. It was also nice, that the planets and moons were treated as "apart" of your environment instead of just eye candy. Sure it was faked changing orbits, gravity etc but I loved it. Park over the planet, cut engines, begin to fall:)
Elite III, but with X2/X3's abilities to create your own bases anywhere in the universe. Lots of ships, modules etc. Gimmie!
Ummm, I've used this a few times in this thread. My last job, my boss could not find the DR plans I wrote, yelled at me several minutes, I watched that other human being she calls her chin wag back and forth, I phased out for a while then when she was done asked her, "Did you check in the company vault? You know, where our yearly tapes go forever and other company DR plans are kept by policy?
I bet you, same situation! Personally, I would of put a note in an envelope marked "DR Plan" on my desk saying, "If you weren't an inept manager, you would made sure this was a complete document." Then made sure the DR plan was in the proper place per policy (you know, fire proof safe etc with the rest of the hard copies required for business restoration).
I've been in a situation, where I've not refused to give a PW, but I've refused to carry out an "order" as a contractor in email and told my internal boss she can fire me if she wants, but what she wanted would have taken down quite a few production systems for atleast a shift while I rebuilt them to repair her "inept order". I was placed on "leave" (paid) for a few days for insubordination, which was fine, I was sent home on the Thursday and told to return on Monday, all the while my cellphone, pager off and ignoring the knocks on my front door because she found another asshat to carry out her orders which promptly trashed two different arrays in two different servers (older units), compounded by the fact they did not understand my restoration document, either from tape or rebuild from scratch.
Had I been older and more experienced, I should of demanded a pay raise and a mental health bonus before I went on the clock. Especially considering my meeting between her and my contracting company boss lasted about 30 seconds when she was white as a ghost, strung out stuttering for me to repair the system ASAP. Then again, now I would have a cluster running to maintain a high availability environment (ah the old days, expensive...) and I would of shown her the results of her order in the test lab. With this woman, she would not of believed the test lab results (because it is a test environment! Ugh! I can hear her saying that now!)
I was both in my last job. I was in Sat evenings at 11p doing security fixes, patches and cleaning up databases, taking down mission critical systems for maintenance that could not be done during normal business hours, all prepped and ready for the 6:30a Sunday morning shift to start. I was the guy that was watching production tracking systems for active users past 11p, checking in quietly with their supervisor to see if their ppl left themselves logged in or were working over and prioritized my tasks that could be put off to another maintenance window accordingly if I could not take that system down. I was also the guy that got called in the early hours of the morning, through-out the day, evening when a production server, network gear or piece of manufacturing equipment went down. The hero does not mean you screwed up, the hero is someone that dramatizes what they repair; I preferred to be a Ninja hero, fixing it, verifying the repair works then leaving quietly to the next task. More often than not, the quietly part involves avoiding the, "while you are here" line;) Being the hero can be a major burn-out too whether you advertise your greatness or not.
This is my entire problem with debt collections, there is basically no regulation and when you demand proof of a debt, if they drop the matter they are not required as far as I know to send you proof! What will often happened, is that company will transfer the "debt" over to another company (usually owned by the same people and usually to the guy in the cubicle next to the one that called you). So legally, now we have a different company with this "debt" to collect, they will hold it and then try to collect again from you, hoping you have forgotten about the first call months or even years later.
I was changing jobs last year, so ended up picking up cobra for 6 months to cover the upcoming birth of my son. Carriers changed multiple times during that time (my old company sucked some royal donkey balls) lots of junk in the mail blahblah. Took five months, two appeals letters but everything is sorted (I hate medical insurance, all this because you get different information on requirements and what you owe, depending on what time of day you call, if you are standing on one leg and need to fart!). Now, if I am silly enough to listen to the dribble from the debt collectors (yes some bills got past due, due to the confusion) I demand they send written proof that I still owe them money, my wife and I have found that some will try to "collect a debt" even after you've paid, because if they can get "free" money from you, then they will. It is sad, sad, borderline criminal little industry.
Yeah, long statement and in the last paragraph, second or third line the "opt-out" clause, where skim readers would probably miss it. I mean WTF, why is everything "opt-out" and not "opt-in"?
So what happens to those in SCO that initiated this case in the first place? If they are not able to appeal nor pay up on what has been ordered, what happens to Darl and co? Claims were made to be found baseless, do they get off free of charge or are there proceedings that can be brought against the architect's of this situation?
I know it's cool to hate Christianity right now, but at least get your facts right.
You know I am a Christian (sort of) myself and I am tired of hearing people spout such utter nonsense about Christians being hated because it is "cool". What about Muslims? How much hate is geared towards them these days ever since 9/11? Is it cool to hate them now too? I find a lot of Christians feel hated and persecuted because they believe more and more people are turning their back on Christianity. If this is true, it does not automatically imply that these people hate Christians nor does it mean they are becoming Muslim (like the media would like you to believe).
A lot of Christians now days have the mentality, you are either with us or against us; Christ never said anything like that, He suggested to people to follow Him and believe in Him to be granted eternal life in paradise. He NEVER had the mentality of "you're either with us or against us" this is man injecting their emotions, bigotry and general arrogance in to His teachings.
or a fscking file server is down and Julie in accounting can't get to it. All that can wait until the morning.
If you are the on call man for the file server and you didn't respond, I would have fired you. Just because you don't like Julie or the accounting department does not mean they aren't working on business critical processes. If it is your responsibility to manage, then you are it. If on the other hand, there is another line of support ahead of you and that line of support did not call you, then okay but it would be nice to answer directing them to level one.
I was 24/7 in my last job (network admin/engineer type); I carried a cellphone and yes I got called at 2am in the morning. It was supposed to be that my boss would call me, but never worked out that way - level one helpdesk would freak and call me. If it sounded like they tried everything or narrowed it down to really my issue then off I go to work (I was out an outside contractor non-exempt that had no remote access). It is a fact of life when you apply for certain positions (yes you can get level one to troubleshoot better via training) be prepared to have disrupted sleep or no sleep at times.
The new job I am a developer dude, work at a major company and often will get emails on my crackberry late at night. Sometimes the things can wait; sometimes it might be a ten minute fix. I am salary and exempt and I knew that going in to the job, I also knew there were going to be some late days now and again or weekend work. If a person can't handle that, don't sign the contract or step in to the kitchen.
Agreed! I am considered a liberal by many, madman by others. But you come in to my home uninvited (that means me telling you to come in... don't bring open WIFI type logic into this anyone!) you are going to see me holding my shotgun, my wife with a 9MM and my four cats with friggin' laser beams attached! MEOW BITCH!
On a more sensible note; the fact that a million citizens would probably lose against a few tank divisions is irrelevant. It takes a single man, with a rifle and scope to take out a politician who has been naughty. The fear of guns from oppressive government types is not about you beating the US Military, it is about you getting a lucky shot on them and theirs.
Consider yourself fortunate that you do not have users stopping by for what is an emergency for them, but not everyone else. IM is useful when they IM me and say, "HELP! HELP! NEED REPORT! PLEASE CODE NEW ONE!! URGENT!! URGENT!!" if it isn't I get to tell them I am working on something else that is higher priority and to see my team lead if they want my priorities changed. This saves myself a face to face with them, which saves interruption to my neighbors.
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My 100% constant work dress as a developer:
Black pants, black shoes, black socks (yes I've seen ppl wear gray, white, red etc with the forementioned), black belt and a nicely colored shirt, sometimes plain color sometimes with discrete pattern on it (if it takes more than 2 seconds to analyze the pattern... nope aint going to be worn). Now depending on the color shirt, the exposure of my t-shirt I normally wear will define the color of t-shirt.
When I was supporting a manufacturing environment's network and computer based production systems jeans and collared shirt since I was crawling around alsorts of oil, yuck and other stuff.
Oh and if you are female there is a fine line between a nice shirt, with slight exposure to "Hey I am a slut, promote me or let me blow you." The latter you may be able to pull off if you do not have the attitude to go with it.
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Thank you, sir! That just made me chuckle :)
2 years for my mother, the anti-rejection drugs, the previous cancer treatments and the act of nuking her immune system for the BMT just weakened her way to much. She ended up in rejection and then died of Pneumonia because even the industrial strength antibiotics they gave her could not help.
I was not implying she needed to put up with borderline sexual harassment. But one of the things you need to make candidates aware of is the environment has been guy orientated and that is no excuse to put up with something that makes her feel uncomfortable. I.e. she needs to speak out or inform her manager, often it is simple as a manager going: “Hey guys, knock it off it aint cool.” And it is solved. Most guys tend not to realize they are going over the line or approaching it. Sometime just a simple correction is all that is needed.
My current place of employment where I am in the process of departing from (my choice, they have no idea I am looking) we were a bunch of guys with one very laid back woman on our team. Sometimes we would step over the line; in fact my manager came out once and told a couple co-workers, “Guys, Sally (not her real name) is in the room!” We were lucky that Sally is extremely laid back and pokes fun back at us and would tell us when we cross the line. Fast forward a couple years, she is now in a different group (not because of us) and we hired new people (three women) to work on our team.
Of the new hires that are women, and one is very uptight, very demanding for a new hire of things being setup to accommodate her and her way of thinking etc. She refuses to join in on team discussions and she refuses to go out of her way to learn. She expects people to cater to her, change the way we act (she dislikes joking in the work place), she refuses our managers orders that I am the senior guy on the team and when he is not around she is to take direction from me. Because of her nature, her constant complaining to management about anything and everything they are afraid to manage her and set her straight and they let her through her probation period; the other female new hires are friendly, they joke around and like a laid back environment. Heck we guys listen to them talking about the guy they saw last night and sometimes across a border that should not discussed at work. We shrug it off, it happens and move on.
Why am I telling you this? Personalities can kill a work place, sure your team may seem to be a bunch of unprofessional dorks, but again what is your environment like? There is being unprofessional, then there is joviality, sometimes the humor crosses the line, let them know when and most adults are reasonable and apologize and clean it up. The fact of the matter is when you have a team that joke around, then it is a team that bonds and works well together and supports each other. Joking and social interaction builds camaraderie and it sets your team up to work well in stressful situations and work through the issue no matter how many hours it takes.
If you hired this new girl, then obviously you discussed the work environment and hopefully she interviewed with some of your team members. If you failed to tell her about the environment and you failed to let her know that if some humor makes her feel uncomfortable to tell the offender or you as her manager so you can tell them to knock off, then you failed in your job and have set your team up to fail. If the new hire understands this and is cool about it, then see how she works out and how she interacts – the one uptight woman I mentioned I told management to extend her probation period another three months and they did not. Once she crossed that three month barrier then the real complaining/whining began. DO NOT make this mistake, the probation period is there for a reason - they do not work out byebye.
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Please do not use the "think of the children" defense. It is as bad as the "think of the terrorists" excuse they are using.
I am of legal age. I do not want to be felt up by a stranger. That should be enough to NOT do it. No need to use children as an excuse to stop something that is bad.
As parents my wife and I refuse to fly at the moment while these issues are being resolved. My two year old does not need exposed to xrays from these scanning machines and he does not need to be groped and violated because he might be a two year old terrorist. As adults my wife and I are more than comfortable slapping the hands or pushing away a TSA agent who violates our personal space (and deal with the consequences) but our son is not capable of making that decision and as his parents (his advocates) we're opting to make it for him by not flying.
So yes I am thinking of my son first and my wife and I's comfort come in second. You are not a parent apparently and if you were you would be in agreement that we need to think of our children.
ME? I believe it was only after they pounded on her chest for hours to do the drowning revivial scene. She left the set because after hours of filming the last take, the camera ran out of tape.
My first low-entry-barrier BASIC program was in QBasic. I wrote a war-dialer (hey, I was 11 and had just discovered my first BBS and wondered what else was out there).
Logged connectable devices to a txt file, came back in the morning with my mum pissed as hell at me for tying up the phone all night and part of the morning. Didn't discover a lot, oh well. It was fun, taught me some stuff.
Tes
Until you virtualize half of your environment :)
I disagree that programming/development is not IT, but as a developer I thank you for realizing we're a step above everyone else ;-)
He is a dick for avoiding products from China? Or is he using his god damn right to decide where to purchase his products from? I agree, you are a dick. Get a clue.
Personally I want Elite III: First Encounters but modern :) That was a seriously kick ass game! X series does okay, but I loved being able to enter a planets atmosphere, drop in over landing destination or just cruise around the globe. It was also nice, that the planets and moons were treated as "apart" of your environment instead of just eye candy. Sure it was faked changing orbits, gravity etc but I loved it. Park over the planet, cut engines, begin to fall :)
Elite III, but with X2/X3's abilities to create your own bases anywhere in the universe. Lots of ships, modules etc. Gimmie!
Tes
Ummm, I've used this a few times in this thread. My last job, my boss could not find the DR plans I wrote, yelled at me several minutes, I watched that other human being she calls her chin wag back and forth, I phased out for a while then when she was done asked her, "Did you check in the company vault? You know, where our yearly tapes go forever and other company DR plans are kept by policy?
I bet you, same situation! Personally, I would of put a note in an envelope marked "DR Plan" on my desk saying, "If you weren't an inept manager, you would made sure this was a complete document." Then made sure the DR plan was in the proper place per policy (you know, fire proof safe etc with the rest of the hard copies required for business restoration).
Tes
I've been in a situation, where I've not refused to give a PW, but I've refused to carry out an "order" as a contractor in email and told my internal boss she can fire me if she wants, but what she wanted would have taken down quite a few production systems for atleast a shift while I rebuilt them to repair her "inept order". I was placed on "leave" (paid) for a few days for insubordination, which was fine, I was sent home on the Thursday and told to return on Monday, all the while my cellphone, pager off and ignoring the knocks on my front door because she found another asshat to carry out her orders which promptly trashed two different arrays in two different servers (older units), compounded by the fact they did not understand my restoration document, either from tape or rebuild from scratch.
Had I been older and more experienced, I should of demanded a pay raise and a mental health bonus before I went on the clock. Especially considering my meeting between her and my contracting company boss lasted about 30 seconds when she was white as a ghost, strung out stuttering for me to repair the system ASAP. Then again, now I would have a cluster running to maintain a high availability environment (ah the old days, expensive...) and I would of shown her the results of her order in the test lab. With this woman, she would not of believed the test lab results (because it is a test environment! Ugh! I can hear her saying that now!)
Tes
I was both in my last job. I was in Sat evenings at 11p doing security fixes, patches and cleaning up databases, taking down mission critical systems for maintenance that could not be done during normal business hours, all prepped and ready for the 6:30a Sunday morning shift to start. I was the guy that was watching production tracking systems for active users past 11p, checking in quietly with their supervisor to see if their ppl left themselves logged in or were working over and prioritized my tasks that could be put off to another maintenance window accordingly if I could not take that system down. I was also the guy that got called in the early hours of the morning, through-out the day, evening when a production server, network gear or piece of manufacturing equipment went down. The hero does not mean you screwed up, the hero is someone that dramatizes what they repair; I preferred to be a Ninja hero, fixing it, verifying the repair works then leaving quietly to the next task. More often than not, the quietly part involves avoiding the, "while you are here" line ;) Being the hero can be a major burn-out too whether you advertise your greatness or not.
I was not claiming to be right, I was claiming as far as I knew, there now you know.
And thanks for reminding me to read Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.
This is my entire problem with debt collections, there is basically no regulation and when you demand proof of a debt, if they drop the matter they are not required as far as I know to send you proof! What will often happened, is that company will transfer the "debt" over to another company (usually owned by the same people and usually to the guy in the cubicle next to the one that called you). So legally, now we have a different company with this "debt" to collect, they will hold it and then try to collect again from you, hoping you have forgotten about the first call months or even years later.
I was changing jobs last year, so ended up picking up cobra for 6 months to cover the upcoming birth of my son. Carriers changed multiple times during that time (my old company sucked some royal donkey balls) lots of junk in the mail blahblah. Took five months, two appeals letters but everything is sorted (I hate medical insurance, all this because you get different information on requirements and what you owe, depending on what time of day you call, if you are standing on one leg and need to fart!). Now, if I am silly enough to listen to the dribble from the debt collectors (yes some bills got past due, due to the confusion) I demand they send written proof that I still owe them money, my wife and I have found that some will try to "collect a debt" even after you've paid, because if they can get "free" money from you, then they will. It is sad, sad, borderline criminal little industry.
Tes
Yeah, long statement and in the last paragraph, second or third line the "opt-out" clause, where skim readers would probably miss it. I mean WTF, why is everything "opt-out" and not "opt-in"?
WTF!
Maybe they intend to see what the community does with the code and adopt some of the "unique" features or methods in to their closed source products.
Apparently we fooled him! Because the aliens are in your Uranus!
So what happens to those in SCO that initiated this case in the first place? If they are not able to appeal nor pay up on what has been ordered, what happens to Darl and co? Claims were made to be found baseless, do they get off free of charge or are there proceedings that can be brought against the architect's of this situation?
Tes
I know it's cool to hate Christianity right now, but at least get your facts right.
You know I am a Christian (sort of) myself and I am tired of hearing people spout such utter nonsense about Christians being hated because it is "cool". What about Muslims? How much hate is geared towards them these days ever since 9/11? Is it cool to hate them now too? I find a lot of Christians feel hated and persecuted because they believe more and more people are turning their back on Christianity. If this is true, it does not automatically imply that these people hate Christians nor does it mean they are becoming Muslim (like the media would like you to believe).
A lot of Christians now days have the mentality, you are either with us or against us; Christ never said anything like that, He suggested to people to follow Him and believe in Him to be granted eternal life in paradise. He NEVER had the mentality of "you're either with us or against us" this is man injecting their emotions, bigotry and general arrogance in to His teachings.
Tes
or a fscking file server is down and Julie in accounting can't get to it. All that can wait until the morning.
If you are the on call man for the file server and you didn't respond, I would have fired you. Just because you don't like Julie or the accounting department does not mean they aren't working on business critical processes. If it is your responsibility to manage, then you are it. If on the other hand, there is another line of support ahead of you and that line of support did not call you, then okay but it would be nice to answer directing them to level one.
I was 24/7 in my last job (network admin/engineer type); I carried a cellphone and yes I got called at 2am in the morning. It was supposed to be that my boss would call me, but never worked out that way - level one helpdesk would freak and call me. If it sounded like they tried everything or narrowed it down to really my issue then off I go to work (I was out an outside contractor non-exempt that had no remote access). It is a fact of life when you apply for certain positions (yes you can get level one to troubleshoot better via training) be prepared to have disrupted sleep or no sleep at times.
The new job I am a developer dude, work at a major company and often will get emails on my crackberry late at night. Sometimes the things can wait; sometimes it might be a ten minute fix. I am salary and exempt and I knew that going in to the job, I also knew there were going to be some late days now and again or weekend work. If a person can't handle that, don't sign the contract or step in to the kitchen.
Tes
Agreed! I am considered a liberal by many, madman by others. But you come in to my home uninvited (that means me telling you to come in... don't bring open WIFI type logic into this anyone!) you are going to see me holding my shotgun, my wife with a 9MM and my four cats with friggin' laser beams attached! MEOW BITCH!
On a more sensible note; the fact that a million citizens would probably lose against a few tank divisions is irrelevant. It takes a single man, with a rifle and scope to take out a politician who has been naughty. The fear of guns from oppressive government types is not about you beating the US Military, it is about you getting a lucky shot on them and theirs.
Tes
Consider yourself fortunate that you do not have users stopping by for what is an emergency for them, but not everyone else. IM is useful when they IM me and say, "HELP! HELP! NEED REPORT! PLEASE CODE NEW ONE!! URGENT!! URGENT!!" if it isn't I get to tell them I am working on something else that is higher priority and to see my team lead if they want my priorities changed. This saves myself a face to face with them, which saves interruption to my neighbors.
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