I mean, forget WinVista, does it work with the Windows support for Linux or not?
I've only got two Win boxen in a lab full of Linux dual and quad-core machines, so it's far more important that Zune is Linux-compatible than it's WinVista compatible. Especially since we aren't "upgrading" to WinVista.
well, I'm sure certain games will have different levels of ability, just as you can build Friends newtworks on MySpace and Facebook. I can live with friends of my friends, if need be.
Still, gonna be nice without all the swearing. If I wanted that, I'd watch cable.
I agree. In 18 months, the bugs in the PS3 will be worked out, the price will (trust me) have dropped, and you might actually have an HDTV that it would matter on (for a lot less than it costs today).
Plus, some of the problems with using older PS games (PS, PS2) on the PS3 will have been worked on to the point you probably can play them.
Yeah, right. Most teens I know in my city can afford buying a game console - it's the HDTV they don't want to shell out $2000 for, plus another $2000 for the speaker systems. Maybe when you were a kid you couldn't afford it, but times have changed. But good point on the price - since the PS3 and xBox360 games are $60 a pop, and the Wii games are $50 a pop, makes it a bigger hit even if the parents buy the console, doesn't it?
Whatever, dude. I own Macs (1 Mac Mini, an old Mac SE), Windows (various ones, including WinXP), and Linux (two RHEL servers) at home, as well as a GameCube, a PS2, and an xBox (and some older game consoles).
Enjoy your PS3, if you can get one. I'll buy one in a few years when I get an HDTV, along with most consumers - or some later game console that comes out by then. Meantime, I'll enjoy the Wii. And playing old games on my PS2 (which I have, so no need to buy a PS3).
One thing I do not understand is why Friend Codes are so hated. They do exactly what Nintendo wants. Keep their kid safe image. With friends codes, you only play with the yahoos who you KNOW PHYSICALLY.
Plus, if you meet someone playing randomly and they're cool, you can always swap friend codes with them.
Kind of like Diablo II - except without all the spam chat.
and that's all the kids my son is friends with talk about.
Nintendo no doubt has awesome viral marketing down. But, may I ask how old your kids are? Are they 27+ years old? Or are they in the 5-18 category? While I agree the 'talk of the town' is Wii, the PS3 has a strong following, it's just not as large this time around. Never-the-less, this has no real factor on the success / failure of a system. It's success will be proven in the first year, not the first month. I've never heard a single person talk about the 360, but it appears to be doing just fine.
The kids I'm talking about are aged 14-17.
Oh, I'm at the other UW (Washington), but I have been to your UW (Wisconsin). We're in Seattle.
Whatever, all I know is my wallet opened to buy the Wii, and a bunch of games, and that's all the kids my son is friends with talk about.
Nobody - and I do mean nobody - is talking about the PS3, unless it's to say "man, if only they hadn't made those cool Samurai and other games Japan-only".
They're not interested in the PS3 - grade 9, 10, and 11.
Costwise, their parents (including me for my son) can afford it, but we don't see why we should pay for a Blu-Ray drive we don't need for an HDTV we don't want (yet).
It's mostly about the games. If MSFT and Sony hadn't done the stupid DRM region thing with their Japanese games, they might have been interested, but finding out all the cool games are Japan-only is the kiss of death.
9. The Halo movie is actually going in to realease and was secretly being devoloped as a joint project with Pixar under the working tittle "Duke Nuke'm Forever". The movie engine and content will be release to game stores in 3 months after release and fans are invited to "play the movie."
Um, "play the movie"?
Why would anyone want to get burned alive and shredded by weapons fire?
I have enough nightmares every Veteran's Day and Memorial Day to deal with, thanks.
Not exactly. It does allow them to say that they sold out at lower numbers, but the numbers are still low. The reason why the Wii launch would be considered a "failure" if it only sold half of the units produced isn't because it didn't sell out, but because it didn't sell to expectations. It bears noting that the PS3 hasn't yet sold to expectations either, though for different reasons.
Hmmm. If that is so, we should note that demand for the Wii is so high that the entire game shelf at my local EBX in Seattle is empty. Everyone already pre-ordered all the games the store is receiving on launch day, as well as all the Wii consoles, Wii-motes, and such.
And this is even with a much larger supply of consoles than Sony has for the PS3.
From this we can gather that Wii and the PS3 may be in the same category of consumption, and both in high demand and low supply.
When I was there, I noticed someone actually getting his mom to buy an xBox360, with controllers and games, since he was unable to buy either a Wii or a PS3, so from this we can infer that all game consoles are marginally tradeable to satisfy Maslow's needs/wants, and that the xBox360 is not in short supply. However, I also noticed almost everybody there was talking about the Wii, not the PS3, nor the xBox360 - so from this an economist would expect that demand for the Wii is in fact higher than for the PS3 or the xBox360, which is a more accurate measure of reality.
However, it is possible that demand in Japan for the Sony PS3 may be higher than it is in the US - both Sony and Nintendo are Japanese companies, but all three game consoles have Japanese games (man, I can't wait till they port those to the Wii...).
Well, er, it's also about the polution. At the end of the day, as long as you're burning a carbon based fuel, you're going to produce carbon dioxide. Sure it can be done 'cleaner' but you're still up against the twin problems
OK. First, I participated in the IPO for Peabody, one of the largest coal companies in the US, and made a killing on that, before I sold it and walked away with the profits. So, before I invested, I did a lot of research.
The US does have at least a 200 year coal supply. It is an alternative to oil.
And it does create pollution - two forms. One is sulphur (sulfur) which is in some concentration in most coal - which has bad side effects (remember acid rain?). The other is the CO2 and the gritty byproducts (think it's called ash, although it's much smaller than wood ash).
Having been to Madison, WI, where they use almost entirely coal for power and heat, I can tell you that it does get in your eyes a bit, but it's a lot cleaner than it used to be. Main problem is extraction kills people (always has) - accidents, mining trucks, explosives, digging, whatever.
Because then I'd say that Sony continues to not grok that we have other choices - xBox360 and Wii for example - that mean that $600 USD is indeed far too high, when we can get more cool games without a useless Blu-Ray laser device 90 percent of us don't need in the first place.
Plus, given Sony's prior track record, and high record of first-release failure with tech (remember the first PS2 boxen?), why should we want to pay for such things?
And in the 21st century, that's a bare minimum of gigapop IPv6 Internet to every home.
Just as we've fallen massively behind in scientific research (US scientists leaving to go to Singapore, only 8 percent of NIH grants accepted compared to 20 percent in 2000), so we are falling behind on every measure that dictates what a First World country is.
But, hopefully, our long national nightmare will be coming to a close. The stock market (a predictor of future investment) seems to think so.
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you'll have to excuse some posters. They seem to think America only means the USA, when it refers to two continents.
Just like India is a subcontinent just south of Asia.
weird, why doesn't Amazon just use their lawyers?
They're busy fighting for the spaceport in Texas.
That or to keep the Sonics here in Seattle.
I mean, forget WinVista, does it work with the Windows support for Linux or not?
I've only got two Win boxen in a lab full of Linux dual and quad-core machines, so it's far more important that Zune is Linux-compatible than it's WinVista compatible. Especially since we aren't "upgrading" to WinVista.
I don't think they outsourced it to India.
bummer, dude.
well, I'm sure certain games will have different levels of ability, just as you can build Friends newtworks on MySpace and Facebook. I can live with friends of my friends, if need be.
Still, gonna be nice without all the swearing. If I wanted that, I'd watch cable.
If you can message them, you can swap friend codes. You just put it in text.
I agree. In 18 months, the bugs in the PS3 will be worked out, the price will (trust me) have dropped, and you might actually have an HDTV that it would matter on (for a lot less than it costs today).
Plus, some of the problems with using older PS games (PS, PS2) on the PS3 will have been worked on to the point you probably can play them.
Nintendo's demographic bought Pokemon, Nintendogs and Brain Training
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You say that like it's a bad thing
Yeah, right. Most teens I know in my city can afford buying a game console - it's the HDTV they don't want to shell out $2000 for, plus another $2000 for the speaker systems. Maybe when you were a kid you couldn't afford it, but times have changed. But good point on the price - since the PS3 and xBox360 games are $60 a pop, and the Wii games are $50 a pop, makes it a bigger hit even if the parents buy the console, doesn't it?
Whatever, dude. I own Macs (1 Mac Mini, an old Mac SE), Windows (various ones, including WinXP), and Linux (two RHEL servers) at home, as well as a GameCube, a PS2, and an xBox (and some older game consoles).
Enjoy your PS3, if you can get one. I'll buy one in a few years when I get an HDTV, along with most consumers - or some later game console that comes out by then. Meantime, I'll enjoy the Wii. And playing old games on my PS2 (which I have, so no need to buy a PS3).
you do know that the PSP ain't doing as well as the DS, right?
I mean, you can market all you want, but that's what the Wall Street Journal says (I read the print edition).
nah, if you check on the Wii site, you'll see that specific game companies can region-lock their games, but it's not default set.
And, I looked up all the cool xBox360 games for Japanese players, and everyone that looked interesting was Japan-only (locked).
Results matter, not propaganda. Otherwise we'd be listening to Zunes instead of iPods.
And here at the UW in Seattle, we're listening to iPods.
If I was wrong about the PS3, I guess they changed their encoding from the initial Sony plans (back when I owned shares).
Battlesuit-enabled Chicken Overlords and was glad when they roasted all the KFC execs after the Revolution.
One thing I do not understand is why Friend Codes are so hated. They do exactly what Nintendo wants. Keep their kid safe image. With friends codes, you only play with the yahoos who you KNOW PHYSICALLY.
Plus, if you meet someone playing randomly and they're cool, you can always swap friend codes with them.
Kind of like Diablo II - except without all the spam chat.
and that's all the kids my son is friends with talk about.
Nintendo no doubt has awesome viral marketing down. But, may I ask how old your kids are? Are they 27+ years old? Or are they in the 5-18 category? While I agree the 'talk of the town' is Wii, the PS3 has a strong following, it's just not as large this time around. Never-the-less, this has no real factor on the success / failure of a system. It's success will be proven in the first year, not the first month. I've never heard a single person talk about the 360, but it appears to be doing just fine.
The kids I'm talking about are aged 14-17.
Oh, I'm at the other UW (Washington), but I have been to your UW (Wisconsin). We're in Seattle.
I love the friends code idea. Especially for Animal Crossing - don't want people trashing my villages - and for multi-player.
Then I can ignore all the gold farmers, product sellers, and blue mouth swearers.
Whatever, all I know is my wallet opened to buy the Wii, and a bunch of games, and that's all the kids my son is friends with talk about.
Nobody - and I do mean nobody - is talking about the PS3, unless it's to say "man, if only they hadn't made those cool Samurai and other games Japan-only".
Hearts and minds. In the end, Heart wins.
They're not interested in the PS3 - grade 9, 10, and 11.
Costwise, their parents (including me for my son) can afford it, but we don't see why we should pay for a Blu-Ray drive we don't need for an HDTV we don't want (yet).
It's mostly about the games. If MSFT and Sony hadn't done the stupid DRM region thing with their Japanese games, they might have been interested, but finding out all the cool games are Japan-only is the kiss of death.
Sure, they could get mod chips, but why bother?
And I'll be lined up with five teens who are dying to get a Wii on Sunday - none of them are interested in getting a PS3, so in the end, the Wii wins.
It's the games.
9. The Halo movie is actually going in to realease and was secretly being devoloped as a joint project with Pixar under the working tittle "Duke Nuke'm Forever". The movie engine and content will be release to game stores in 3 months after release and fans are invited to "play the movie."
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Um, "play the movie"?
Why would anyone want to get burned alive and shredded by weapons fire?
I have enough nightmares every Veteran's Day and Memorial Day to deal with, thanks.
Now, if I could play the movie with cheats
8. Cancellation of the Halo Movie we already knew was cancelled.
Not exactly. It does allow them to say that they sold out at lower numbers, but the numbers are still low. The reason why the Wii launch would be considered a "failure" if it only sold half of the units produced isn't because it didn't sell out, but because it didn't sell to expectations. It bears noting that the PS3 hasn't yet sold to expectations either, though for different reasons.
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Hmmm. If that is so, we should note that demand for the Wii is so high that the entire game shelf at my local EBX in Seattle is empty. Everyone already pre-ordered all the games the store is receiving on launch day, as well as all the Wii consoles, Wii-motes, and such.
And this is even with a much larger supply of consoles than Sony has for the PS3.
From this we can gather that Wii and the PS3 may be in the same category of consumption, and both in high demand and low supply.
When I was there, I noticed someone actually getting his mom to buy an xBox360, with controllers and games, since he was unable to buy either a Wii or a PS3, so from this we can infer that all game consoles are marginally tradeable to satisfy Maslow's needs/wants, and that the xBox360 is not in short supply. However, I also noticed almost everybody there was talking about the Wii, not the PS3, nor the xBox360 - so from this an economist would expect that demand for the Wii is in fact higher than for the PS3 or the xBox360, which is a more accurate measure of reality.
However, it is possible that demand in Japan for the Sony PS3 may be higher than it is in the US - both Sony and Nintendo are Japanese companies, but all three game consoles have Japanese games (man, I can't wait till they port those to the Wii
Well, er, it's also about the polution. At the end of the day, as long as you're burning a carbon based fuel, you're going to produce carbon dioxide. Sure it can be done 'cleaner' but you're still up against the twin problems
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OK. First, I participated in the IPO for Peabody, one of the largest coal companies in the US, and made a killing on that, before I sold it and walked away with the profits. So, before I invested, I did a lot of research.
The US does have at least a 200 year coal supply. It is an alternative to oil.
And it does create pollution - two forms. One is sulphur (sulfur) which is in some concentration in most coal - which has bad side effects (remember acid rain?). The other is the CO2 and the gritty byproducts (think it's called ash, although it's much smaller than wood ash).
Having been to Madison, WI, where they use almost entirely coal for power and heat, I can tell you that it does get in your eyes a bit, but it's a lot cleaner than it used to be. Main problem is extraction kills people (always has) - accidents, mining trucks, explosives, digging, whatever.
On the other hand, Steam Punk is super cool
Because then I'd say that Sony continues to not grok that we have other choices - xBox360 and Wii for example - that mean that $600 USD is indeed far too high, when we can get more cool games without a useless Blu-Ray laser device 90 percent of us don't need in the first place.
Plus, given Sony's prior track record, and high record of first-release failure with tech (remember the first PS2 boxen?), why should we want to pay for such things?
And in the 21st century, that's a bare minimum of gigapop IPv6 Internet to every home.
Just as we've fallen massively behind in scientific research (US scientists leaving to go to Singapore, only 8 percent of NIH grants accepted compared to 20 percent in 2000), so we are falling behind on every measure that dictates what a First World country is.
But, hopefully, our long national nightmare will be coming to a close. The stock market (a predictor of future investment) seems to think so.