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PS3 and Wii — Head To Head
1up has a piece looking at the Wii vs. the PS3, running down the particulars on graphical power, online capabilities, launch titles, and control scheme. For the most part, they're siding with the PS3: "Traditionally, Nintendo's never been much for online gaming (the GameCube had two online games&ever), but Wii appears poised to finally bring Mario and Co. into the multiplayer arena. Wii will use a modified version of the DS' Wi-Fi Connection software to facilitate online matchmaking. (Most likely, you'll only be able to play against players who give you 'friend codes' first, just like with the DS.) Like the PS3, the Wii will offer online gaming free of charge."
Here's the kicker:
Um, ok.
* On my part, anyway
** The amperstand after "games" is really there. It's not an HTML glitch.
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And I'll be lined up with five teens who are dying to get a Wii on Sunday - none of them are interested in getting a PS3, so in the end, the Wii wins.
It's the games.
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I'm getting to the point where the fanboys arguing over which system is better has gotten quite dull. When Wikipedia has to lock down their entries, things are getting silly.
Sometime in January, we'll see sales results and then someone can declare a "winner". Even that seems silly, since the two systems seem to cater to different audiences.
Also, the article talks about the promising lineup of 2007 PS3 not 2006 PS3 and then compares it to the lineup of 2006 Wii not 2007 Wii. Therefore, after comparison you can only declare PS3 the winner.
Am I the only one that feels this article is too biased or unfair to the Wii?
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I think this is all depending on who you ask, really. The Wii's whole approach was to appeal to other types of people than hardcore gamers, and it looks like the PS3's whole lineup is for hardcore gamers. So, it's a little bit like comparing apples and oranges, I think.
I don't have a single friend code in my DS and still can play online against other people. You don't see their codes, but you don't need them to play online. They're only useful if you want to play against specific people.
Maybe the author should do some research instead of pulling "facts" out of thin air.
.. because that way there'll be less sweary kids on the 360's Live service. I'm still on my free month and given how many annoying trash-talking kids there are, I probably won't be buying a year's subscription to the service. I know you can mute them, but you still have to run into them first to know who they are, and rep doesn't help much. It'd be interesting to see how Sony and Nintendo tackle this. Nintendo in particular have a reputation as being family friendly. Imagine the outcry there'll be when parents discover little billy has been called a 'flaming cocktard' by some high-school kid.
I like how the writer assumes that friend codes will be involved, and completely missed the whole concept of them. You can play anyone in most games without a friend code, but you'd have to settle for random matchmaking. Animal Crossing is the only game I can think of off the top of my head that required a friend code.
And I especially like how he says Nintendo is entering the world of multiplayer gaming. First, they've had the WiFi Connection running for more than a year. Second, just because they haven't participated much in online multiplayer gaming, he ignores all of their other great multiplayer and party games. The way I see it, online games are second fiddle to offline multiplayer. I'd rather be together with my friends, but if that can't happen, we resort to using the internet to play together.
It's like sex, except I'm having it!
Nope. All it really says is: "We (the author(s)) are REALLY, REALLY, REALLY excited about the PS3. Here's some boilerplate stuff about the Wii. See how the PS3 is cool?"
I'm glad they're excited, but they should probably be more upfront about it rather than pretending to have journalistic objectivity. A better solution might be to pit a couple different authors (with two different opinions) against each other. It would make for a more interesting read, at least.
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That's strange, I remember playing Mario Kart in multiplayer mode, with friends, in the same living room. Oh, and I had Super-Smash-Brothers Melee too, multiplayer, same living room.
Heck, Nintendo has been making multiplayer games decades ago with Mario Bros.
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Next week: 1UP compares apples with oranges!
Didn't someone already do this?
Something tells me they're going to be selling more Wii units than PS3s this holiday season. Who will profit most? Nintendo also, almost certainly. I'm afraid no one's going to declare a winner by January.
I won't be surprised if the PS3 ends up with more games than the Wii, but the article seems a bit unfair to nintendo in terms of games. An example being that they talk about Madden specifically for the PS3, but didn't bother to mention that it'll also be available for the Wii (customized for the controller even). Instead just panning the Wii for its lack of third party games.
They only listed seven Wii games, while Nintendo's website has a list of 30 that will be available within 5 weeks of launch. That's a pretty damn impressive lineup, especially compared to what we're used to from Nintendo.
One time I threw a brick at a duck.
He shouldn't have to assume. According to a video tour of the interface from IGN, rather than have a new code for each game the Wii will have an address book full of "Wii Numbers". If you have someone's Wii system number you can play games with them online, send them messages and Miis, and all that good stuff.
We might as well discuss this factual article that declares Nintendo is(are) the Democrats as Sony is the GOP
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Totally Non-biased : Hilarious
This 1up article reads like it was written by someone in need of adderall. It jumps from thought to thought, often talking almost exclusivly about the other console in the wrong space before declaring a winner seemingly completly against their own reasoning, only to end abruptly with no final overall comparison.
Demented But Determined.
You have to keep in mind that, as one other Slashdotter just said, 1up is comparing apples and oranges.
...And what's this about "extra functionality?" The PS3 plays PS2 and PS1 games?
The PS3 takes the cake with graphics because that was their goal. The best graphics hardware was not Nintendo's goal.
The Wii takes the cake with controls because that's what Nintendo's goal was... Sony instead chose to remain somewhat conservative by continuing to use its tried-and-true PSX controller layout.
So of course each one is going to win in each of its given categories, because it's the opposite of what the other company wanted to do with their respective console.
NEWS FLASH: The Wii is capable of playing games from NES, SNES, N64, GameCube, TurboGrafix, Genesis, and probably more...
And the PS3 can play Blu-Ray movies? Woop-dee freakin' doo. I don't know about everybody else, but I'm going to buy a gaming console to play games. If I want to watch movies, I'll buy a movie player.
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I wouldn't give props to the Wiimote until people actually get some experience with it over time.
Don't forget how successful the Nintendo Power Glove wasn't. Personally, I think that's a shame because I like the idea of moving towards a more VR environment where you use real gestures to do stuff, but it flopped in the market. This baby step in the same direction may fare better... or not.
It's not a competition between just the Wii and the PS3. In fact I would say that there are very few people who are deciding between those two systems. The PS3 and the Wii are just too far apart. You are willing to pay for high definition graphics or you are not. You either want the traditional controller scheme or you love the idea of the Wii controller. I would suggest that the competition is Wii vs. Xbox 360 and PS3 vs. Xbox 360.
First, the people who buy a PS3 before Christmas are going to be hardcore Playstation fans. The PS3 is in such short supply and costs so much, it will not be a casual purchase. Even if you're rich, you will have to track one down or pre-order it. The Wii is half the price of the PS3 and there will be an ample supply of them because Nintendo doesn't have production problems.
A price sensitive gamer will ignore the PS3. The Xbox 360 will become more affordable once Microsoft cuts it's price. Even with a price cut, the Xbox 360 will be more expensive than the Wii. But it won't be twice the price. Meaning that someone who is willing to pay for a Wii doesn't have to pay that much more for an Xbox 360. It comes down to consumer choice.
A gamer looking for high definition graphics will be comparing the PS3 and the Xbox 360. The Wii is limited to 480p, so someone who wants HD will ignore it. A gamer must decide whether they want to pay $100 to $200 extra for the PS3. There are certainly Xbox 360 games with high quality graphics. We will have to wait and see how PS3 games look.
I think that Xbox 360 demand is pretty high in the US. I only say this because there are deals being offered in Canada that are not being offered in the US. Maybe Americans tend to spend more on Christmas than Canadians.
Speculation about their copycatting Nintendo aside, their controller is hardly revolutionary. Here's why: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep8DRXJpA9Q
...damn it. What I am doing telling you people this for free?
That's right, you could do exactly what they're doing now with the original Warhawk on your PS1 back in the early 1990s. This isn't something new. It may have been innovative then, but I don't think we can apply words such as "revolutionary" to it now.
The article strikes me as being written by someone who's high on hype for both systems, and hasn't taken a single grain of salt since E3. This is the kind of thing I could write with minimal research in about an hour. Heck, we here at slashdot write extensive monologues from our gut all the time. The only difference here is they make money off theirs...
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FTFA: "The Wii also provides full backward compatibility with GameCube games (a small panel on the console's side lifts up to reveal four controller ports), but doesn't actually play DVDs (unlike originally announced). "
sigh... So since how long do we know that you actually need an add-on to play DVD on the Wii?
Is the Wii's pack-in game Wii Sports not going to support online multiplayer? I was under the impression that it was. Would be a shame if not.
Blast, I just finished off my mod points a few minutes ago. This single line takes the cake, and says something critical about where gaming has been, is, and should be headed.
"You'll never even think about the graphics while you're playing it".
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
I agree with you. However, this day an age, journalism, with the advent of the online medium, is shifting towards opinion pieces than objective journalism. One only has to look to traditional media to see biased reporting, on many levels.
I personally attribute this to the fact that I think people are drawn to news of scandal and such in much the same say they're drawn to 'negative' news. It's more enjoyable to talk about. Afterall, why else would 'reality TV' be popular, rarely see 'good news', the explosion of online journals (blogs), etc. Women have always known this. They've been watching Soap operas forever. =P It's all about the water cooler gossip. It's not fun to debate something if everyone agrees!
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Agreed- the graphics seem to get you in the door. I spend maybe a few rare minutes observing the graphics and it tends to be during the lull in the gameplay... ie- as I'm wondering around looking for a secret item or some such.
Yeah, but I'll admit to being dissapointed when I read that. I'm glad the game is fun, and I look forward to playing it, but the screenshots for the game looked pretty sweet and I was also looking forward to great Zelda graphics. If Gabe is touting the game and saying how good it is while simultaneously admitting that it doesn't look very good for a GC game, that does kind of worry me. Maybe I won't think about the graphics, but maybe I want to think about the graphics from time to time, specifically "these graphics rock!"
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The System will be online Day 1 for VC titles and the WiiConnect Channels, but the first title online will be the Pokemon game which releases December in Japan.
This time around the Wii and PS3 aren't even competitors. People who want amazing graphics, vast potential, and next generation disk formats will choose the PS3, if they can afford it.
People who love Nintendo games, a child-friendly console at a lower cost will choose the Wii.
It's like comparing a Toyota Yaris to a Lexus... who will win? Different class, different customers.
On the other hand, the XBox 360 will compete mainly with the PS3, since they are around the same price range. Most people who buy Microsoft will choose the XBox 360 premium package, with the hard drive, but for an extra $100 - less than the cost of two games, you get Blu-Ray, free online play, a faster processor, Linux, etc.... these two consoles are much more similar in price than certain people would have you think.
The Power Glove wasn't a Nintendo product. It was made by Mattel. There were a grand total of two games made for the Power Glove. Two crappy games. The Wii controller will be different.
The PS3's supposed to be able to run Linux. Haven't yet come across an article showing this though. As of yet, Sony's official support page is essentially blank and the PS3's "official" Yellow Dog Linux 5.0 distro hasn't been released. Imho this ability of running your own OS and software to harness the PS3's power would be the only reason to justify its price tag. Think of what people could do with it - in fact it would be a Slashdotter's dream (if only it wasn't Sony who manufactured it.. ;): a gaming console that runs Linux and yes, you could even build a Beowulf cluster with these. On top of that you could run Doom, Quake, vi, Wine, Firefox, [insert cliche geek software here], you name it!
Now, where this thing really gets interesting is when people start writing emulators for the PS3, specifically XBox (360) and Wii emulators - it does sport a Cell processor running @ 3.2GHz. In the event that a bunch of dedicated fanatics conjure up an emulator that would run Wii games on the PS3 (initially sans the nunchak support, I guess) Nintendo would more or less have to sue Sony, no? Would Sony have to retract their support for open operating systems?
Given of course that Sony sticks by their word and allows other OSes to run on their new little toy, that is.
(I originally posted this into the the PS3 poll, but seeing as the PS3 could potentially run Wii games with an adequate emulator it actually fits for this "feature comparison" article as well)
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Yeah. I had my suspicions when I read the summary on Slashdot, where it said that the DS only allowed you to play online with people who's friend codes you had. I guess I was just hallucinating when I was playing Mario Kart and Metroid with completely random strangers. Anything that incorrect is bound to be backed up by further nonsense.
There are a lot of people that do want more than Friend Codes. They want a true matchmaking experiencing, without canned chat, which is what's been available on Xbox Live, PC multiplayer, PS2/PS3 online service, etc. for years.
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As we all know, though, that opens up a huge can of worms: griefers, immaturity, and predators. Obviously it's not an easy thing to solve. But I wouldn't say Friend Codes solves it either, since it basically eliminates the features many people want. It's like cutting off a finger, when a bandaid will do.
I think what a lot of us would like is a Friend Codes system for the kids, and then something else for the rest of us. That's what other systems do. Xbox Live does have a ton of features to protect Kids during on-line play, it's just that most of us don't know about it (I imagine most Slashdotters don't have kids yet). Worse yet, many parents may not know they exist. That's one thing Nintendo could do a lot better, but instead, it appears that they've chosen to treat everyone like a child.
Personally, I don't mind that too much, since I'm not a big fan of multiplayer in general. However, there are millions that do care
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It's a bitch site. I've read 4 reviews on the site now. Not only were 3 given scores with little reasoning in the review, but all the scores are "hater" scores. They just don't like games or just don't want to review games on anything and instead trash everything at least 1 point lower than they should be.
This article is awful. They compare two consoles that shouldn't be compared. The PS3 is 600 dollars, the Wii is 250. It's like comparing a Ford GT and a Vette Z06, who gives a shit who wins if one is double the price?
Since when is the Wii's online a worse idea? news, Weather, and downloadable retro games. As well as getting new and future games built for it that are also downloadable. The Ps3 hasn't even explained half the systems it has, the systems arn't even ready until friday... or maybe later. And unlike the 360 doesn't have an actual online system (you'll log onto the Sony server, but they don't support the servers for games, so every game has to do it by themselves, that's a lot of work.)
Extra functionality, they just meantion gamecube games? I guess they don't believe you'll be able to retro game at all with every Nintendo home console system, and sega's gensis and the Turbo Grafix 16? But let's meantion blu-ray, and Ps2 and PS1 BC? Then we'll talk about the downloadable games later. Except it's a major feature of the Wii?
And then of course they conviently ignore the 360 so the ps3 wins everything. Except for the fact, why would I buy a PS3 if I had a 360? All those games and features they claim the PS3 have, is trumped by stuff the
Bottom line is I'm wondering what sony had to pay for that article because it's incredibly biased, and by ignoring the 360 it just become mindless rantings. Of course that requires use to believe 1up has cred, which after reading the site for an hour not many people should believe.
I didn't have a Power Glove, I bought a U-Force... Nevermind that when I got to the store, it cost %50 more than I had thought it would, I bought it anyway... See my previous post on buying the CDi.
The U-Force was cool, but games, as well as the console itself, were not designed for it. You had to set a bunch of DIP switches differently for each game. The manual actually encouraged you to experiment with different switch settings for different games -- that was scary, there wasn't any type of guide or information on what each switch did.
The U-Force was fun, but I kept hitting it when I played Punch-Out. They had a T-bar handle thing for playing Rad Racer, and that was OK, but not as good as a steering wheel controller would have been, and playing it without the T-bar was tough, and tiring (you had to hold your hands up in the air in the same position for a long time... not really fun).
The Wii is different. The console and the games are built specifically for the Wiimote. No DIP switches, no guessing for yourself how to play a game if the manual doesn't specifically talk about the settings and controls for that game. The controller is simple and elegant. The games are designed to let you move, but I'm sure you can get by in most games with small motions, so you won't wear yourself out, or look really stupid. Not to mention that everyone who buys a Wii will know how it works... noone knew what the heck the U-Force was, because I'm the only one who bought it west of the continental divide. I think the Wii will be very successful. This is no Power Glove, U-Force, or Virtual Boy. This is the new flagship product, so they're putting everything behind it to make it successful.
Where's the price-performance comparison? I think that's a bit more important for some people than some of the other categories. Or how about the "innovation" category? Of course for over double the price, one console is going to have better extra functionality and better system specs. As pretty much everyone has said so far, this article is very biased. Everyone who's buying a Wii knows it's not the most powerful system. I'm buying it because this generation it seems Nintendo has done everything right, and Sony is doing everything wrong.
Don't trust a bull's horn, a doberman's tooth, a runaway horse or me.
Woops, I forgot the obligatory Wikipedia link for the U-Force.
Seems to me that it's bad taste to call something a launch title unless its actually available at launch.
The "weak" list of Virtual Console games is just what's going to be available at launch. They will add more as time progresses.
Also, nobody is forced to re-purchase the games they already own. If you already have an NES, SNES, et cetera, then you probably already own the games that you'd want on those systems... It's not like you're required to buy those same games all over again. If there are games you don't already own, then you can purchase them and play them on the Wii.
Furthermore, if the PS3 is backwards compatible with the PS2 and PS1 games that you already own, then presumably you'd already own a PS2 or PS1... Thus rendering the PS3's backwards compatibility as more of a novelty than a system-seller.
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The PS3 and Wii are aimed at two different markets - the PS3 is definitely not aimed at the cost-conscious gamer (why buy an HD-ready system if you can't afford HDTV) and the Wii is never going to please the people who want high-end, graphic intensive games, so comparing them feature-for-feature is useless. People who can't afford a PS3 won't get one. People who aren't interested in a Nintendo won't get one. People who can afford a PS3 may also get a Wii. For most people, it isn't a binary decision, so why the illusion of controversy?
Maybe it says "we are REALLY REALLY REALLY excited about the Wii, but we know that the supply dwarfs the demand, so here is some negative things we can say about the Wii in hopes that people will believe it, and not show up to buy a Wii, so we have better chances of getting one ourselves."
One thing I do not understand is why Friend Codes are so hated. They do exactly what Nintendo wants. Keep their kid safe image. With friends codes, you only play with the yahoos who you KNOW PHYSICALLY.
Plus, if you meet someone playing randomly and they're cool, you can always swap friend codes with them.
Kind of like Diablo II - except without all the spam chat.
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Please stop linking to 1Up. I come to Slashdot to read interesting articles (haha), not the ridiculous grade-school crap that 1Up consistently posts.
I havent read much about the online gameplay for the wii or ps3, (I'm a xbox fan). Will these devices connect to a server so you can play against people who want to play simular online titles, and keep track of scrores/ladderboards. Or is it a client to client connection where the ps3/wii require connecting directly to friends?
The reason I ask is because the xbox monthly subscription to live allows you to play in a way where you dont need to contact people. With the xbox you can search through people or running games and pick and choose who you want to play against. Is the ps3/wii service free because it costs these two companies nothing to allow you to play against friends (and not strangers)?
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Wow! Both Sony and Nintendo are coming out with new consoles? I had no idea. Ooooooo, and the article has all their specs too. Thank goodness I have been paying careful attention to slashdot, otherwise I would have missed this.
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This article is utterly useless, like pretty much anything 1up does.
However - the Wii and PS3 dinosaur renders, like http://www.1up.com/media?id=3087879 are awesomely cute and well worth your time to view. Kudos to the artist.
It shames to admit it, but my purchase decision will be based almost entirely upon Square-Enix. Here's how thing have gone so far:
Final Fantasy III (VI) was on the super Nintendo. Hoping that the trend would continue, I purchased a N64. Then I went and bought a playstation when Final Fantasy VII was released. The N64 went into the closet. Things went well through FF VIII and IX. I bought a Playstation 2 to play FFX, (and subsequently X-2, XI, and XII). But Dang it all, Square-Enix just had to go release Crystal Chronicles on the Gamecube. Yeah, I ended up buying a Gamecube, 4 GC-GB cables, and a Gameboy just to play FFCC. So far, the only systems I haven't found a reason to purchase are the X-box and its 360 variant.
Yes, there are several other games that I've purchased along the way to make better use of the systems. But ultimately, it comes down to the games. I just hope that square focuses on a single console; otherwise, it'll be a big pain in the wallet.
"Operating systems suck: you're better off using only the BIOS" --trainsaw.com
http://wii.nintendo.com/games_list.html
Red Steel, Super Mario Galaxy looks cool and interesting
Legend of Zelda looks like a must buy for the system.
Old school games I will like to play for awhile especially old school Mario and some N64 ones.
Some or I should say the majority are really too childish, but I have hope in the Madden, Farcry and hopefully using the controller on one of their flight games.
Not really the strongest launch I thought Wii was gonna bigger and by that time the new batch of PS3's will be shipped with the new games and T.V. commercials for the PS3 being released.
I know you can still do random/skill-based matchmaking. But missing the actual communication functionality is crucial to a lot of people. As I said before, I personally am fine with a canned chat experience, since I'm not a big fan of multiplayer in general. That said, a lot of people do want that experience. While it's not a problem for me or you, it's still a problem.
The question is going to be how significant that really is. While there's 5 million (random guess) people that want full-featured communication in their multiplayer, there may be 20 million that actually prefer the canned chat model (or just don't care). In that case, then Nintendo will look like geniuses, in finding out what the users really want. Or they could be totally wrong.
I should point out, though, that there are many games where canned chat really degrades the communication. Team-based FPS and shooters come to mind. There's only so much you can communicate using canned messages, which is why voice over Xbox Live was such a huge hit when it first came out. There's also a reason why software such as TeamSpeak and Ventrilo are becoming so much popular in PC multiplayer games (most notably MMORPGs). Nintendo can simulate some of that, by making users just add more and more people as their friends, but you can tell that this is not their preferred model.
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I've got your PS3 vs. Wii right here!
Is the statement you hear from someone that's REALLY done off. People that just say "I'm so high" or "I'm trashed" aren't so bad to play with, not near as gone as those that feel the need to inform you that this is occuring RIGHT NOW, concurrent with them telling you they are high, as through there is any way you could miss that fact. I've always found it best to avoid having pople who are "So high right now" on my side for their tendency to pass out while playing or spend time walking into walls.
I would have to see the Zelda series "grow up" a bit before I could go back to it. Ocarina of Time I couldn't get into, and the same for anything since. I still want it to be a fairy tale world, but that can mature and still be fantastical... I'd like to see done to Zelda what Neil Gaiman does to to the fairy tale style in "Stardust" - it's fantastical, and it's a fairy tale, but it's adjusted to the palate of the older audience, the audience that misses fairy tales but can't enjoy the old ones anymore because their minds are more mature.
It's a nice idea for your console to run Linux - but an original Xbox will do that for a lot less money, and run all the cliche geek software. What does the PS3 offer over that?
Well, it's faster, and has more memory. A cheap PC would likely outperform it on that front, however, and would make cheaper clusters I expect. It'd also run all the usual Linux software without porting, recompiling or requiring new drivers.
It's got a Cell. Good geek cred, excellent number-cruncher (though IMHO the [expensive] new GeForce 8800 is a lot faster & more suitable for that purpose).
It's got a kick-arse graphics chip - but apparently this isn't accessible from the Linux side, the hypervisor prevents access. 2D graphics & software rendering only. Or so I've heard.
It's got a Blu-Ray drive. Nice, if you can find an application for that. Watching movies will be tricky though, and the PS3 side will already do that.
Emulators? Sorry. Cell's in-order, multiple SPE design is completely unsuited for the complex logic branching required by emulator software. And if it doesn't have hardware 3D, you might be able to manage SNES or even Amiga emulation, but nothing fancier, certainly not a Wii. Xbox 360 has enough trouble emulating an Xbox with 3 PPC cores and full 3D.
Really, the best reason to buy a PS3 is to play PS3 games, and maybe watch the odd movie. I certainly wouldn't buy one to run Linux until it arrives and we know a lot more about what is possible, and perhaps some useful software actually exists.
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
Anyone else think the Dinosaur representations of the consoles are incredibly cute?
Shick's Law: There is no problem a good miracle can't solve.
This tree has the information about the patches that are about to get into the 2.6.20 kernel for supporting the PS3. A few device drivers are still missing because they need some more cleanups before getting merged, but they are all publically available.
Here's some anecdotal evidence why the WII wins. Family: Husband 50, wife 55, children 20, 17, and 14. We own: Xbox 360, PS2, Gamecube, N64, original Nintendo (and we still play Tetris Attack on it), and probably 8 different variations of Gameboys, I've lost track. I don't want to know how many CD's and cartridges we have, I could probably retire a year earlier if we hadn't bought them. Daughter kills me at RPG's. Younger son complains about Mom's ability to crush him in all Metroid variations. Elder son has worked at Toys'R Us R-zone for two years, it's his dream job. He's the pimply-faced kid that every mother loves to talk to, he knows everything about all the systems. We're baby-boomer upper-middle class, we can afford a new system or even two. So where's the excitement around the house? WII, hand's down. It's all about the play - Mom, Dad, and the young ones agree.
What was wrong with OoT? I've been playing it since it's come out. Seriously. I've got the N64 hooked up right now and OoT is in there.
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Obviously, they don't want to have anything that is not the standard video game experience since the 2600. These authors blow off all of Nintendo's main points in producing this system, price, fun factor, new controller, going after the 99% of the population that isn't into "OMG! Boom Headshot!" FPS fragfest games.
Elsewhere on 1up, I read a story about the depth of the Zelda game. After ten hours the reviewer had a lot to more to go, and he didn't have carpal tunnel from using the remote. Every game isn't going to require you to be standing up, waving your arm all over the place, but smaller movements made sitting down comfortably.
Also missing some big Wii games at launch and in 07. They mentioned Madden for PS3 but failed to mention Madden for Wii, which is making some big waves with its much more inovative control. They also failed to even breath about one of the biggest games for 07, Metroid Prime Corruption.
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Let's face it 1 Up and EGM....1Ups parent company after ZDNET(whether or not 1UP wants to confirm that or not) are extremely one sided towards the latest and greatest of them all.
I stopped reading EGM when they gave more rave reviews for the PS3 games than the Nintendo games after E3. Third party support? I could literally google for Wii and PS3 support, and find, more and more, that companies are jumping Sony's ship. I believe that a Majority of the first party titles comes up to 3 or 4 (which as far as I have seen is pretty standard for a new console) before the end of the year. Ubisoft is putting tons of support behind the Wii. I am sure that one of the largest development houses in the world isn't going to be putting alot of time and effort into a system unless it knows a success is right around the corner. Just as EA just made a complete studio for the Wii that's lagging third party support 1UP? I know that these are big development houses and so forth, but even if you think EA is pretty stupid,IMHO, they didn't become a huge software house without making the right decisions. Take Two a company that throws tons of support to Sony and Microsoft is considering supporting the Wii...I don't know maybe developing for them.
It's blatantly clear that 1up being paid here.
Especially when most of your other garden variety gaming sites have given TP just as high marks as it's predecessor Oot. It's the first damn thing to come out of the thing! Genji got a 6.4 on gamespot!
Stop paying people off sony!
I believe the rocket launcher/bazooka controller was called the Super Scope. I remember hearing about it but I think it only supported one game, Battleclash.
Here's the problem. You aren't high enough when you are playing.
FTA:
While these two consoles may initially seem wildly different (the PS3's price tag starts at twice that of the Wii, after all), a few startling similarities put them in direct competition: Both feature free out-of-the-box online access and revolutionary motion-sensing controllers that fundamentally alter how you'll be playing games from here on out. --from page 1
Then it went on giving ps3 a "Extra Functionality" point. STFU. I can give an extra point to my PC for 0ms ASIO latency.
One word: Ico.
Not Zelda, no, but IMO exactly what you're asking for (though not exactly Gaiman's style).
...is that Nintendo never really intended to go "Head to Head" against PS3 or the XBox360. They deliberately didn't compete for the media centre console. Think about it. The price and technology difference, the control difference, the audience difference (i.e. not the hardcore console gamer), the games difference, etc. The Wii is practically a different product for a separate market. Didn't Microsoft say something along the lines of "you can buy a Wii and an XBox360 for the price of a PS3"?
You know, there is a difference between trolling and pointing out the flaws in your reasoning. Just saying.
Some may justify the use of 2007 PS3 titles based on the fact that 2006 PS3 will be launched only in Japan, the United States, and two Chinese possessions, while 2006 Wii will be launched in Japan, the United States, Canada, the nations of Latin America, the nations of Europe, Australia, and New Zealand. Europe and Australia don't get the PS3 until 2007.
Slashdot readers demonstrating knowledge of the female mind? Wow! Must be getting chilly in hell about now.
This is not true of Mario Kart DS or Tetris DS. Has this changed from the DS to the Wii? Do Wii games allow players who randomly meet online to swap friend codes through the system? Can you cite sources?
Yes. I'll let another member of the household sit through 12 straight hours of Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings while I take a Wii in another room and hook it up to another TV. Does a single PS3 console, even the premium version, multi-task well enough to let me watch a DVD on the HDMI output and play fl0w on the composite/S-video/component output?
I needed a single portable machine to play commercial games, video, music, and homemade games. The Nintendo DS does all four, on all known firmware versions, unlike Sony's product that does not. I prefer to buy from manufacturers that tolerate substantial non-infringing uses.
I'll get to my Wii PS3 3-cents in a second.
Let's look at the DS vs. PSP argument. It's a no-brainer right now that the DS is a PSP killer. It doesn't matter that the PSP is more powerful. Not just fan-talk here but here's why I just got a DS Lite:
GAMES. I personally don't want to take GTA or a FPS to bed with me or anywhere on the go. I want a nice library of fun and interesting games to distract me when I'm on the road, etc. So I got WARIOWARE TOUCHED and MARIO KART DS straight away. I'm having a blast (a BLAST). I also picked up METROID FUSION (a GAMEBOY ADVANCE game) and FFI&II (also GBA).
BACKWARD COMPATIBILITY. This makes the selection of games for the DS ridiculously huge. I save money buying more second hand games.
TOUCH SCREEN. You just can't go back if you know what I mean.
PRICE.
DESIGN. I like being able to tilt the screen so it stands on it's own; laptop-style. More comfortable viewing positions. Also, some games use the DS held at a sideways "bookish" position.
Sure the PSP has a "better" screen but a great TV screen doesn't make a bad movie any better does it? Don't get me wrong, I'd like to have a PSP too, but I'm more than content with my DS. I'd like a PSP screen to browse and watch vids on, but if I'm picking up my DS, I'm playing games. NOTE: The DS can easily be modded to play video, mp3s, browse, etc.
So, getting to the the Wii and PS3 debate, here's what I think. Nintendo is doing FUN "right" right now. There seems to be a four or five star game for everyone's interest available for the DS and I hope the Wii is going to hop on that wave as well.
These systems are different to begin with and I want them both. I have the two current systems and am happy with them both (Cube and PS2). But, even though I have a nice little 27-inch HDTV, I'm going for the Wii first. I'll be just fine with 480P for now.
C'mon. NES games (legal at that) with an actual retro controller. A promising library of SEGA titles (Dreamcast please!!!). The Wii remote has a speaker I hear that wooshes (WOOSHES!) when shooting arrows in Zelda. Last month I discovered that I can download DS demos onto my DS at Target, Wal-mart, Best Buy, etc. It was completely intuitive and I'm thinking that this type of simplicity will be the case in matters of the Wii. I'm completely looking forward to using my DS with the Wii. Maybe I'll be able to download NES, SNES, etc. to the DS. (Sooo awesoooooome.)
Maybe I've just turned into a fanboy, but the Wii could be poised to do what my little DS LITE has done; make games fun again in a way that I'd (seriously) forgotten that they could be.
No no no. The fight is here: PS3 vs. Wii And frankly I'd say it's still to close to call.
Shick's Law: There is no problem a good miracle can't solve.
Yeah, they did. Although I thought the point of the Power Glove comparison was "they already did something very similar, and it didn't work." Neither the ROB nor the Virtual Boy are similar to the Wiimote.
Of course, conceptually, they're all innovative. So the question then becomes: Is innovation dangerous? I would argue the opposite: Lack of innovation is dangerous. Had Nintendo created a GBA2, the PSP would probably have killed it. The Cube (which was pretty much a N64 version 2) did not do very well. Everything but innovation would be dangerous for Nintendo at this point.
Will the Wii be a success? Probably. Is it guaranteed that it will be successfull? Of course not.
Oh, and one last point: I own two Virtual Boys. While I don't play them for long periods of time (THE EYES! THEY BURN!), they are always fun to take out and impress my friends with. Too bad Mario Tennis can't be played against other people.
It's a feature.
I like how the article gloats about how "light" the PS3 controllers are. Probably the fact that there are no massive weights inside to throw around (ie vibrate) has something to do with it. That light feel only serves to remind you what you're missing.
You're definitely in the minority there. In nearly every "best game of all time" list OoT comes out #1, I'd say it's the pinnacle of the Zelda franchise. As for the Zelda franchise I'd rate Link's Awakening and The non-sailing parts of windwaker for the #2 spot. The cell shading kinda bothered me at first, but but once you're adjusted to that graphical style, you notice just how well it was done.
Send lawyers, guns, and money!
The fact is the PS3 is more exciting in a lot of ways, and if you don't have to pay for it, it is easy to pick the PS3 over the Wii. Of course, most of us have to pay for it, unless some journalist prick.
I thought they were strapping servos, wheels and chainsaws to a Wii and a Ps3 and letting them go at it... well damn...
Or fourteen. To be completely in love with graphics to the point of making that your primary purchasing decision, you have to be fourteen or drunk/high.
Or both.
I think it's kinda funny that TFA give the best "downloads" to wii, citing the VC catch. But hey, remember that linux thing for ps3? Guess ps3 owners can get some emulators to download with the best of wii's virtual console.
"NASA's Rollercoaster For Moon Rocket Escape"
Xonk?
lol, hey, we have to. The chances of meeting them are rare so we all have to study hard to pass our tests!
"The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became truth." ~1984 George Orwell
I'd be interested in what games you feel are "mature" where "mature" doesn't mean "with more realistic violence", or "fewer bright colors".
But you may want to consider Beyond Good and Evil. It's very Zelda-like, with great production value, and a pretty decent plot that at least touches on some mature issues (like what do you do when you need but don't trust your government).
The enemies of Democracy are
I know that if I tried to stretch for a PS3 now that once I get tired of launch titles all I would do is play all my old PS2 titles in 480p on my (smallish) HDTV tube set. Of course, the tube set has a decent interlacing mode so the PS2 looks fine on it too, so what's my motivation?
I'm going to wait about 18 months for the price to drop and to see what games filter out of the pipeline. But I'm willing to drop coin on the Wii right now just to see how the online emulation experience is...
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
I don't want to chat with people while playing a game. I just want to fucking play.
I much preferred the CS servers where you could only text dead players, and you could only use radio commands. It made you much more focused, forcing your team to think on its feet and work together.
The only games where in-game voice/text is really useful are MMORPGS. But I'll play those on a PC where I have a keyboard and mouse thank you very much. Arcade/action is the stuff of the consoles and ugh... to have people yelling in my ear about how I should ease up because they haven't played in like 3 months, dude... forget that shit!
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
You can't send arbitrary messages to random opponents; you can only send "canned" text or voice messages unless you have already exchanged friend codes. Or are you talking about "message" outside of the DS network?
Keep in mind all those that are first party; Zelda, Wii Sports, Excite truck and... and... that's it. 30 games in 5 weeks, only 3 are from Nintendo. 90% come from 3rd parties; 7 are from Ubisoft alone (with 8 more promised by April 1, 2007. Ubi loves the Wii). Though you may not have specific developers at launch like Square or Rockstar, you still have some strong 3rd party support.
My mature, I mean much more grey area in your possible actions, perhaps even some things that would be rewarded in game play but you might opt out of because you don't like the actions involved. Evidence of the existence of sexuality, in some sense, other than the presence of occasional married NPC's(slight exaduration, but only slight). I'd love to see it remain with popping enemies and bright colors, actually. Read "Stardust" and not only will have spent the time very well, you'll know exactly what I mean.
Read "Stardust" and not only will have spent the time very well, you'll know exactly what I mean.
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I may, but at the moment I'm more interested in what you mean it terms of gaming. Are there any games you feel exemplify this?
The best examples I can think of are Ultima 6 and 7.
The enemies of Democracy are
And it was still a great concept.
Wii'l see how well this one turns out. Too bad Okami's for the Playstation, there's a game that screams (howls?) for a Wiimote.
Wikipedia link.
At the very end of FFX, when you have to destroy all of your summon creatures as they are possessed, one by one, after all their help, was a really good moment as far as mature fantasy with moral ambiguousness. That kind of emotional effect was good, as was the ending, first one I remember having real guts too it, rather than a default happy ending. I may check out those ultimas if they have that type of thing.