Having done construction work in polar regions, I can't imagine how much money and energy must have gone into that thing. Cool, yes, but how much useful, peaceful scientific research could have been conducted there for the same budget ?!? Compare to now where instead instead of wasting it on useless and scary bombs, we waste it on useless and scary traders. Hmmm.
For useful science, what if we sent the scary and useless traders to the ice base and nuked them from orbit, just to be sure.
Technology has always been a gift to humanity from humanity. It can be used to free us or enslave us, it all depends on who is in control of the technology.
When is humanity in charge of the technology, as opposed to the elite and their bourgeois followers?
At the inception of the technology and the laws created to govern it. Once seized it has to be held onto, which takes repeated effort by the populace. A recent example is cybercrime laws governing the use of security tools in Australia. The first wave of government laws were rejected, some ten years later they passed.
Growing up in the 80s, living through the boom times of the 90s, and looking back today. What I used to think was was a path to freedom and salvation of the intellectual variety, I now see as our oppression. Slavery of a new type. Step by step we are sealing our own doom while at the same time handing over the keys to a new elite. The social consolidation is giving rise to the new aristocrats.
I really hope I'm wrong.
Technology has always been a gift to humanity from humanity. It can be used to free us or enslave us, it all depends on who is in control of the technology.
If just the people here were reading the proposed legislation, tearing it to pieces in the same way we are speculating about it many of the objectionable parts would be removed. Many politicians don't read the legislation they vote on.
A good reason to employ local regulators and make them live close to the power plant - sure give em a home, but they *HAVE* to live near the power plant. Make self preservation part of the equation and then we will see some quality decisions.
Apparently not a slouch (from Wikipedia):..."he earned a BS from Waseda University, an MS from the Tokyo Institute of Technology, and a doctorate in nuclear engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology"
I have no mod points - does this actually answer your question
No, what I'm saying is that if an insurance company has exactly one client, then his premium has to be the full cost of his benefits, otherwise if something bad happens, there's no money to pay for it. Also, since you brought up quantum mechanics: ever heard of shot noise?
Can you simplify that for a management presentation?
Liquid sodium is *not* a liquid salt reactor. Liquid sodium reacts explosively with water, and even fairly violently with the water vapor in the air. What could possibly go wrong? As for molten salt reactors, well they are no panacea either. For example the salts are either water soluble (Chlorides) or react with water (Fluorides). You may be able to burn the very long term waste products, but you still have fission products in the waste stream, ditto with Th.
A good point to raise. Specifically as the reactor ages and moisture laden are starts to leak *into* the system. Then you start to look at serious issues with explosive cooling systems that are radioactive.
Correct on many points there, but some have already been addressed.
Specifically new alloys have been found and additives been discovered to reduce corrosion.
It's not just about corrosion. Neutron bombardment leads to embrittlement of the reactor vessel and many of the components attached to it. Breeder and (more important) Burner reactors *require* a new for of materials technology (resistant to embrittlement) if they are to succeed.
The other problem for the lack of research was that some of the technological requirements for even getting a research reactor up and running ran into the multi-$100M range. At that point, you might as well suck it up and build a commercial one.
Except then you don't know how to scale up a reactor from a 10Mw to a 1Gw commercial reactor. This is the problem the existing reactor generations suffer, they were scaled to quickly which led to an underdevelopment of the safety technology.
The research reactors show you how and where to focus your effort and how to scale. So a 10Mw to 50Mw jump is a five fold increase in output but still a manageable installation. A three fold increase of a 50Mw reactor and a doubling of a 150Mw reactor. Of course you are left with the question of reactor disposal but if you design it to be operated in (and as) a waste containment facility *underground* you improve the energetic return and nullify the many of the problems with the existing generation of reactor technology.
A new technology platform based on burner reactors requires an investment in the development of the technology, otherwise you just end up with the same mess we have now but with much more active radioisotopes.
Sorry, but contrary to popular belief, it IS possible to do modern nuclear in a clean, safe way.
But the second you mention it, someone points out a 30 year old facility based on 50 year old technology where people were cutting corners and paints the issue of nuclear power with said brush.
TMI, Chernobyl and Fukushima aren't instances of "nuclear power is bad m'kay?". They're instances where improper planning, inappropriate supporting infrastructure, and plain old malfeasance compromised old, out-of-date facilities.
As they are commercially operated for profit the financial incentive for cutting corners will exist right up to the point of a disaster. Essentially it may be possible (but expensive) to design and build a nuclear reactor in a "clean and safe way", but the record of the three accidents you mention demonstrate it's not possible to operate it safely.
TMI had only been in service for three to six months when the accident there happened. That technology was cutting edge at the time of the accident.
The technology industry wipes out the existing business model introducing a more efficient one, retaining only the creative elements that produces movies and music. That's what IT does.
I mean evolving business models was the whole idea of capitalism in the first place, from memory.
I first observed these provisions in Anti-Terrorism legislation. I lobbied hard to get the wording changed but the responses were pretty much along the lines of 'We don't like these much either but they are gonna happen, thanks for your input', some tried to soften the blow but we have been on the slippery slop for ten years now.
Our freedom is pretty much an illusion now. What makes it worse are those TV shows where regular violation of rights are conducted and people just accept it and because the mass of sheeple accept it the slide is faster.
Who the enemy of freedom is becoming like a battle for the mind. me me me and now now now has replaced any desire for higher aspirations for society. People with serious concerns are ignored as morbid and the vapid shallow entertaining ones lead us to our demise dancing and smiling. Slavery== new iDevice, shiney, sleek, desirable Freedom==cumbersome, hard to manage and means I have to think.
I don't like thinking, it's too hard
Would you comfort me Big Mother? at home at work when I play. oh, it's uncomfortable at first, but I think I'll get used to it,, till eventually you say "I like being fisted"
(Which is a good thing if it is your 5 million dollar yacht which your bone-head brother-in-law borrowed but then, like an idiot, forgot to drop anchor when he took the tender ashore to go to a party, get wasted, and find with some bubble-headed island girl half his age to spend the night with.)
Everybody has got a story to tell, and I have to ask, what did you tell your sister?
Too often, in corporations, we see that it is up to the individual making sacrifices to their career to make a company fulfil it's social contract to operate ethically to make profit.
I wonder if TEPCO will attempt to claim credit for something they didn't want to do.
Slashdot Mirror
The year where an apartment in manhattan is sold for an amount that can feed a small country for a month.
It would probably build a fair portion of the city on the other side of the river 'where the bedrock is sound'
In Soviet Russia, hole buries you!
Shouldn't it be;
In Soviet Russia, hole sinks you!
if one thinks the world has problems with wealthy, influential people, just look everywhere to see how bad it can get.
FTFY
But since everyone wants to be one of these people no one want to have unions to represent their interests.
Having done construction work in polar regions, I can't imagine how much money and energy must have gone into that thing. Cool, yes, but how much useful, peaceful scientific research could have been conducted there for the same budget ?!? Compare to now where instead instead of wasting it on useless and scary bombs, we waste it on useless and scary traders. Hmmm.
For useful science, what if we sent the scary and useless traders to the ice base and nuked them from orbit, just to be sure.
Technology has always been a gift to humanity from humanity. It can be used to free us or enslave us, it all depends on who is in control of the technology.
When is humanity in charge of the technology, as opposed to the elite and their bourgeois followers?
At the inception of the technology and the laws created to govern it. Once seized it has to be held onto, which takes repeated effort by the populace. A recent example is cybercrime laws governing the use of security tools in Australia. The first wave of government laws were rejected, some ten years later they passed.
Growing up in the 80s, living through the boom times of the 90s, and looking back today. What I used to think was was a path to freedom and salvation of the intellectual variety, I now see as our oppression. Slavery of a new type. Step by step we are sealing our own doom while at the same time handing over the keys to a new elite. The social consolidation is giving rise to the new aristocrats.
I really hope I'm wrong.
Technology has always been a gift to humanity from humanity. It can be used to free us or enslave us, it all depends on who is in control of the technology.
If just the people here were reading the proposed legislation, tearing it to pieces in the same way we are speculating about it many of the objectionable parts would be removed. Many politicians don't read the legislation they vote on.
A good reason to employ local regulators and make them live close to the power plant - sure give em a home, but they *HAVE* to live near the power plant. Make self preservation part of the equation and then we will see some quality decisions.
I think it's because the turbine rooms were flooded
Nukler Cowboi, mount uurrp
Apparently not a slouch (from Wikipedia): ..."he earned a BS from Waseda University, an MS from the Tokyo Institute of Technology, and a doctorate in nuclear engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology"
I have no mod points - does this actually answer your question
This is an excellent post.
There was basically the biggest earthquake that the earth is capable of making
Of course, these are the kind of assumptions that got us all here in the first place.
No, what I'm saying is that if an insurance company has exactly one client, then his premium has to be the full cost of his benefits, otherwise if something bad happens, there's no money to pay for it. Also, since you brought up quantum mechanics: ever heard of shot noise?
Can you simplify that for a management presentation?
Liquid sodium is *not* a liquid salt reactor. Liquid sodium reacts explosively with water, and even fairly violently with the water vapor in the air. What could possibly go wrong? As for molten salt reactors, well they are no panacea either. For example the salts are either water soluble (Chlorides) or react with water (Fluorides). You may be able to burn the very long term waste products, but you still have fission products in the waste stream, ditto with Th.
A good point to raise. Specifically as the reactor ages and moisture laden are starts to leak *into* the system. Then you start to look at serious issues with explosive cooling systems that are radioactive.
Correct on many points there, but some have already been addressed. Specifically new alloys have been found and additives been discovered to reduce corrosion.
It's not just about corrosion. Neutron bombardment leads to embrittlement of the reactor vessel and many of the components attached to it. Breeder and (more important) Burner reactors *require* a new for of materials technology (resistant to embrittlement) if they are to succeed.
The other problem for the lack of research was that some of the technological requirements for even getting a research reactor up and running ran into the multi-$100M range. At that point, you might as well suck it up and build a commercial one.
Except then you don't know how to scale up a reactor from a 10Mw to a 1Gw commercial reactor. This is the problem the existing reactor generations suffer, they were scaled to quickly which led to an underdevelopment of the safety technology.
The research reactors show you how and where to focus your effort and how to scale. So a 10Mw to 50Mw jump is a five fold increase in output but still a manageable installation. A three fold increase of a 50Mw reactor and a doubling of a 150Mw reactor. Of course you are left with the question of reactor disposal but if you design it to be operated in (and as) a waste containment facility *underground* you improve the energetic return and nullify the many of the problems with the existing generation of reactor technology.
A new technology platform based on burner reactors requires an investment in the development of the technology, otherwise you just end up with the same mess we have now but with much more active radioisotopes.
I guess you're kind of right. They're insane. I shouldn't be making fun of them.
Wow, talk about not being able to evaluate someone's credentials without prejudice.
Sorry, but contrary to popular belief, it IS possible to do modern nuclear in a clean, safe way.
But the second you mention it, someone points out a 30 year old facility based on 50 year old technology where people were cutting corners and paints the issue of nuclear power with said brush.
TMI, Chernobyl and Fukushima aren't instances of "nuclear power is bad m'kay?". They're instances where improper planning, inappropriate supporting infrastructure, and plain old malfeasance compromised old, out-of-date facilities.
As they are commercially operated for profit the financial incentive for cutting corners will exist right up to the point of a disaster. Essentially it may be possible (but expensive) to design and build a nuclear reactor in a "clean and safe way", but the record of the three accidents you mention demonstrate it's not possible to operate it safely.
TMI had only been in service for three to six months when the accident there happened. That technology was cutting edge at the time of the accident.
nicely done.
The technology industry wipes out the existing business model introducing a more efficient one, retaining only the creative elements that produces movies and music. That's what IT does.
I mean evolving business models was the whole idea of capitalism in the first place, from memory.
Our freedom is pretty much an illusion now. What makes it worse are those TV shows where regular violation of rights are conducted and people just accept it and because the mass of sheeple accept it the slide is faster.
Who the enemy of freedom is becoming like a battle for the mind. me me me and now now now has replaced any desire for higher aspirations for society. People with serious concerns are ignored as morbid and the vapid shallow entertaining ones lead us to our demise dancing and smiling. Slavery== new iDevice, shiney, sleek, desirable Freedom==cumbersome, hard to manage and means I have to think.
I don't like thinking, it's too hard
Would you comfort me Big Mother? at home at work when I play. oh, it's uncomfortable at first, but I think I'll get used to it,, till eventually you say "I like being fisted"
You *will* like it.
(Which is a good thing if it is your 5 million dollar yacht which your bone-head brother-in-law borrowed but then, like an idiot, forgot to drop anchor when he took the tender ashore to go to a party, get wasted, and find with some bubble-headed island girl half his age to spend the night with.)
Everybody has got a story to tell, and I have to ask, what did you tell your sister?
This is an interesting idea. ahhh for some mod points
See the guys with the British accents *are* the bad guys.
I wonder if TEPCO will attempt to claim credit for something they didn't want to do.