This is incredible technology. Wouldn't you love to have some checkboxes to turn on/off: state borders, topography, jet stream, hi/lo pressure systems, time display...
Mountain ranges might be an interesting one, perhaps different wind layers as well
If you just stuck to facts and stopped making stuff up, you probably wouldn't get called out for making stuff up. Your arguments are dripping with various logical biases making them removed from reality either in substance or scale, rendering your entire point irreparably specious.
Where?
Hence the modification you inevitably get. Don't be so arrogant to assume it's because you're laying down knowledge the pro-Nuke crowd simply can't bear to face - it's far more likely you're just confused and out of your depth. Occam's razor and all that...
Or that I've already distilled the argument down to it's simplest possible components and it's still far to complex for you to understand.
I'd go a bit further and say the arguments against nuclear power come from a heady mix of ignorance and confirmation biases. They're certainly not rooted in reality.
I'd say you're a bullshitter an haven't actually spent any time assessing any of the information available or understanding any of the arguments involved. For example Dixie Lee Ray was the head of the Atomic Energy Commission, what was it he said that demonstrates that you don't know what you are talking about?
No, because you completely failed to mention anything at all about sea water.
Show me the technology in operation and I'll mention it. I've searched in the past and haven't found any commercially operating seawater uranium extraction. Show me a prototype. It's your argument and if it was more efficient than mining then it would be being done already. So, yeah, so until I see it, it's basically SyFy.
You also seem to be arguing that the amount of energy required to build a nuclear plant is equivalent to over 1% of the energy usage of the world's 6th largest economy for an entire year. That seems implausible unless you have some very solid citations to back it up.
You are also claiming that reactors yield little more than the energy required to extract the ore. This is also implausible given that some countries electricity is almost entirely nuclear.
It's quite obvious you don't understand the Nuclear industry as a whole. Mining is one phase of preparing fuel, enrichment the next. Building the reactor is energy intensive , but not nearly as much as tearing the reactor down. Here is the peer reviewed science that you were to lazy to look for when I directed you to it.
You also claimed that stockpiling uranium was implausible.
Where did I say that? Actually my plan does include stockpiling nuclear fuel. What I said was
Oh here we go again, sea water blah blah - no idea of the energetic cost to actually *extract* the fuel from the seawater - extereme density fuel but commercial reactor technology can't extract any more than 1% of that energy density. I've heard it all before just like every other Nuklear Cowboy a shallow ill thought out parroted propaganda argument with very little basis in reality, evidence or fact. I'd call it SY FY - but more ridiculous.
It would seem you have very poor attention to detail.
Your numbers were wrong.
First you say I haven't done the number and when I prove that I have you say they are wrong but not why.
At this point it's fair to say your a hopelessly naive Nuklear Cowboy. You've got no argument to present. The deeper you dig here the more like a fool you are going to look. I'd suggest you educate yourself further and then approach me again with some facts and an honest argument. It's unlikely you have anything further of value to offer.
I doubt it, but since you've not bothered to crunch the numbers your plan is almost certainly worthless.
such poorly constructed assumptions, tsk tsk.
Well I was being generous, PWR use 0.3% of the available energy density.
the expected 300TWh's output of a new AP-1000 (References; low side Vattenfall, high side Storm/Smith link elsewhere) energetic estimates for construction of a nuclear power plant is somewhere between 11TWh and 35TWh, energy cost for demolition around 55TWh to 70TWh, that's around a third before you start. Yet you still have to factor dismantling and clean up of the core alone 5.6TWh's - 16TWh's. They talk in Peta-joules but I've done the conversions to put it in a frame of reference that will be easier to understand.
Using a conservative energy expenditure of 1528Kwh per ton of rock (containing Uranium) you have to process 500 tons of rock, that's 763500Kwh's, to produce one kilo of Uranium. Assuming an extremely optimistic extraction efficiency approaching %50 AND assuming you have a high grade ore that's roughly 763Gwh's per ton and you need 160tons for your first core. Even before enrichment you've consumed over 100TWhs without a 1/3 core refuel every ten years for forty and we haven't even factored energetic costs of a spent fuel containment facility or the logistics of moving spent fuel safely. So, as you see, seawter extraction is more Sy Fy.
So, actually I have crunched the number, to make it easier for Nuklear Cowboys, such as yourself, to understand.
Oh, I'd go a bit further by saying some scientists would disagree, you can check their research. The nuclear industry itself has spent much time attempting to refute their research - so I doubt you can. You will find it's been peer reviewed and constructed using using U.S government standards for industrial process measurement. So until you come up with a better argument then just saying "confirmation biases" this one alone is enough to reveal any further investment in commercial nuclear power as pointless.
I won't matter if I present a rational argument here I'll still be modded a troll because Slashdot is where the Nuklear Cowboys riiide. People who want to be Nuclear Free are derided as 'Anti'. Facts are dealt with ad-hominem attacks and evidence based arguments are dealt with ignorance. The Nuclear Cowboys don't have the mental capacity to asses the facts rationally and instead rely on dogmatic skepticism and the assurance that they a mentally superior because they rely on the social proof of being modded up to re-assure their own internal belief systems. Bring on the AC losers.
Reality is irrelevant, these Nuklear Cowboys have a reality distortion field that comes from years subjected to professional propaganda and spin doctoring. Fukushima proves every day what a industry full of cowboys can achieve. Want a reliable nuclear industry fanbois then take responsibility for the failures instead of making excuses for them. Even presented with this sobering situation the bullshit flows as freely as the kool aid.
The wonderful, amazing and ultimately pointless technology of the Nuclear Industry is the most massive failure modern man has produced, that's reality!
HAHAHA - I'm pissing myself laughing right now at all You Nuklear Fuken Cowboys - That's what you are you know - Cowboys. But here is something for your tiny little minds to think about that modding me flame bait won't stop no matter how much power you apply to your reality alter field. If you live in the U.S for the entire time that FukUshima has been happening a steady stream of Radioisotopes has been making their way into the jetstream and being deposited all over the US. All over your food, your cars, your clothes, your houses your roads. everyone you know.
It probably won;t affect you, maybe, possibly. But it will continue, for years and years and years because the Japanese authorities will let it - and there is nothing you can do about it ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. This is the price we all have to pay for your fucking ignorance.
If we had a more rigorous enforcement to the Basis design issues that GE specified as mandatory for these reactors - as discovered by the American Society of Mechanical Engineers, this accident would have never happened and you could have laughed at me and my foolishness.
But today I'm pointing my finger right at you pack of idiots and calling you out for the pack of short sighted, incapable fools you are. For years you've been warned about accidents like this. But noooo, our positive void co-efficient bullshit will save us and the children.
Here's the reality cheque, cashed in full. NUKLEAR COWBOYS RUINED THE NUCLEAR INDUSTRY FOR THEMSELVES because they were so arrogant they couldn't push for quality in the industry they most believed in. Perfectly Safe, Lightning can't strike twice, Power too cheap to meter. None of these lies will stop the radionuclides from entering the foodchain you eat from. So stay in denial, you'll be safe there, while the rest of us try to figure out how to clean up the mess you've left for generations of the Human race to come. IT'S YOUR FAULT, you supported it with your arrogance.
Suck my cherenkov blue balls (it's actually rather pretty)
I won't matter if I present a rational argument here I'll still be modded a troll because Slashdot is where the Nuklear Cowboys riiide. People who want to be Nuclear Free are derided as 'Anti'. Facts are dealt with ad-hominem attacks and evidence based arguments are dealt with ignorance. The Nuclear Cowboys don't have the mental capacity to asses the facts rationally and instead rely on dogmatic skepticism and the assurance that they a mentally superior because they rely on the social proof of being modded up to re-assure their own internal belief systems. Bring on the AC losers.
Reality is irrelevant, these Nuklear Cowboys have a reality distortion field that comes from years subjected to professional propaganda and spin doctoring. Fukushima proves every day what a industry full of cowboys can achieve. Want a reliable nuclear industry fanbois then take responsibility for the failures instead of making excuses for them. Even presented with this sobering situation the bullshit flows as freely as the kool aid.
The wonderful, amazing and ultimately pointless technology of the Nuclear Industry is the most massive failure modern man has produced, that's reality!
HAHAHA - I'm pissing myself laughing right now at all You Nuklear Fuken Cowboys - That's what you are you know - Cowboys. But here is something for your tiny little minds to think about that modding me flame bait won't stop no matter how much power you apply to your reality alter field. If you live in the U.S for the entire time that FukUshima has been happening a steady stream of Radioisotopes has been making their way into the jetstream and being deposited all over the US. All over your food, your cars, your clothes, your houses your roads. everyone you know.
It probably won;t affect you, maybe, possibly. But it will continue, for years and years and years because the Japanese authorities will let it - and there is nothing you can do about it ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. This is the price we all have to pay for your fucking ignorance.
If we had a more rigorous enforcement to the Basis design issues that GE specified as mandatory for these reactors - as discovered by the American Society of Mechanical Engineers, this accident would have never happened and you could have laughed at me and my foolishness.
But today I'm pointing my finger right at you pack of idiots and calling you out for the pack of short sighted, incapable fools you are. For years you've been warned about accidents like this. But noooo, our positive void co-efficient bullshit will save us and the children.
Here's the reality cheque, cashed in full. NUKLEAR COWBOYS RUINED THE NUCLEAR INDUSTRY FOR THEMSELVES because they were so arrogant they couldn't push for quality in the industry they most believed in. Perfectly Safe, Lightning can't strike twice, Power too cheap to meter. None of these lies will stop the radionuclides from entering the foodchain you eat from. So stay in denial, you'll be safe there, while the rest of us try to figure out how to clean up the mess you've left for generations of the Human race to come. IT'S YOUR FAULT, you supported it with your arrogance.
I won't matter if I present a rational argument here I'll still be modded a troll because Slashdot is where the Nuklear Cowboys riiide. People who want to be Nuclear Free are derided as 'Anti'. Facts are dealt with ad-hominem attacks and evidence based arguments are dealt with ignorance. The Nuclear Cowboys don't have the mental capacity to asses the facts rationally and instead rely on dogmatic skepticism and the assurance that they a mentally superior because they rely on the social proof of being modded up to re-assure their own internal belief systems. Bring on the AC losers.
Reality is irrelevant, these Nuklear Cowboys have a reality distortion field that comes from years subjected to professional propaganda and spin doctoring. Fukushima proves every day what a industry full of cowboys can achieve. Want a reliable nuclear industry fanbois then take responsibility for the failures instead of making excuses for them. Even presented with this sobering situation the bullshit flows as freely as the kool aid.
The wonderful, amazing and ultimately pointless technology of the Nuclear Industry is the most massive failure modern man has produced, that's reality!
HAHAHA - I'm pissing myself laughing right now at all You Nuklear Fuken Cowboys - That's what you are you know - Cowboys. But here is something for your tiny little minds to think about that modding me flame bait won't stop no matter how much power you apply to your reality alter field. If you live in the U.S for the entire time that FukUshima has been happening a steady stream of Radioisotopes has been making their way into the jetstream and being deposited all over the US. All over your food, your cars, your clothes, your houses your roads. everyone you know.
It probably won;t affect you, maybe, possibly. But it will continue, for years and years and years because the Japanese authorities will let it - and there is nothing you can do about it ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. This is the price we all have to pay for your fucking ignorance.
If we had a more rigorous enforcement to the Basis design issues that GE specified as mandatory for these reactors - as discovered by the American Society of Mechanical Engineers, this accident would have never happened and you could have laughed at me and my foolishness.
But today I'm pointing my finger right at you pack of idiots and calling you out for the pack of short sighted, incapable fools you are. For years you've been warned about accidents like this. But noooo, our positive void co-efficient bullshit will save us and the children.
Here's the reality cheque, cashed in full. NUKLEAR COWBOYS RUINED THE NUCLEAR INDUSTRY FOR THEMSELVES because they were so arrogant they couldn't push for quality in the industry they most believed in. Perfectly Safe, Lightning can't strike twice, Power too cheap to meter. None of these lies will stop the radionuclides from entering the foodchain you eat from. So stay in denial, you'll be safe there, while the rest of us try to figure out how to clean up the mess you've left for generations of the Human race to come. IT'S YOUR FAULT, you supported it with your arrogance.
As opposed to the Anty-Nuykluer-Cowboies like you?
Of course, because the properties of the material cross GENERATION, it's not a problem - in our generation. Because the problems take soooooo long to boil that frog the problem really isnt there, is it, is it?
YOU have no way to asses or even measure that, because the IAEA has interdiction powers over the WHO from publishing their finds in matters pertaining to nuclear events, including chernobyl and fuku shima. Bet you didn't know that did ya.
Additionaly the plants are compact and for countries lacking natural resources, it is feasible to stockpile very significant amounts of fuel, due to its density. There is also plenty of fuel available from politically stable countries and even seawater (at about 10x the cost), putting a cap on the price.
There's a lot of gppd arguments for nuclear. Most of the argumetns against are centred around the extremely rare but high profile accidents.
Oh here we go again, sea water blah blah - no idea of the energetic cost to actually *extract* the fuel from the seawater - extereme density fuel but commercial reactor technology can't extract any more than 1% of that energy density. I've heard it all before just like every other Nuklear Cowboy a shallow ill thought out parroted propaganda argument with very little basis in reality, evidence or fact. I'd call it SY FY - but more ridiculous.
Reality is irrelevant, these Nuklear Cowboys
As opposed to the Anty-Nuykluer-Cowboies like you?
No, Fool, the term you can refer to me is Responsible Nuclear Advocate. I actually support a well structured Nuclear program that controls Radionuclides, structured programs for reactor development and infrastructure programs to move the industry forward. I've also educated myself in mining, enrichment, reactor technology disposal, legal constructs, environmental and Human health issue. But the problem is that most of the people here who call them selves supporters would do a whole lot better if they would SHUT THE FUCK UP and start doing some more listening instead of their normal position of "oh so superior Dogmatic skepticism" - I'm sick of being nice and polite and civil to mentally lazy idiots that are waaaaaaaaaay out of their depth. I doubt your design for a Nuclear Industry is as detailed as mine, so please, don't attempt to insult me with your purile attempts, i've heard them all before.
FAILURE - It's the most appropriate way to describe the Nuclear Industry. 50 years of repeated, incompetent, bumbling, irresponsible FAILURE. Big on promises, short on delivery. Disassemble the Price Anderson Act RIGHT NOW and let the market decide how to handle the Nuclear Industry.
I promise you it would be shut down overnight - other wise why would we need it - bet you don't have an answer for that do you smart ass.
Weren't you saying ad hominems were bad, just two posts up? What's up with that? They're OK if you do it, but not others? Eh?
No, I just don;t give a fuck because I know it is pointless what ever I do the result will be the same, Troll or today flamebait. A quality post is irrelevant because it will be modded down by the fanboiism, so why waste my energy. The REALITY is that the Nuklear Cowbows are a riiiidin. Presented with fact it's just shrill shill shrill shill over and over like a monkey with a minature cybal.
Nuklear gooood,,, anti nuklear baaaaad
baaaaaa
No ability to think or asses fact, just rattle and rabbit the propaganda - for years I tried observed and today I see more news of what will just be the biggest mass of uncontrollable genetic fuck uping shit being pumped into the food chain and here, the smart - so called nerds - aren't intelligent enough to understand how ridicoulsly fucked this situation is.
It just so happens that today, i could be bothered producing a decent post explaining how toxic the radionuclides are or the type of cancer the nutrient analogues will produce because I'm still trying to wrap my head around which isotopes are going to be pumped into the pacific ocean to be absorbed by all the fishies in the deep blue sea.
But sure, there is no problem, pu-239 is good for you - and it sure makes a great fairy floss, beleive it. The stuff in Nuclear reactors is edible, the liquid isotopes make a great sexual lubricant - rub it all over for a great tan - thats about as bad as it will ever get.
What pisses me off the most is the people who wring their hands and say we should end Nuclear Power based on a first generation commercial design 20 years past it's design life in the most seismically active place in the world on the coast of the country that has such bad Tsunamis that they actually got the world to use their language in naming it. At the same time there have been near zero coverage of the tens of thousands of people and billions of dollars in property destroyed by the quake and Tsunami.
blah blah, hand waving, unable accept the situation that the operator didn't operate the plant to design specification. Everything you need to know is here
This is all a result of preventing the industry from advancing. Imagine if we were stuck with first generation airplanes? Sure there were accidents as the technology developed and many were killed on the planes and on the ground. But the only way to get better is to do it. We could be sitting here with near limitless energy and zero CO2 emissions if breeders were pursued.
Yep, same old story, power too cheap to meter, could shoulda woulda but didn't have the materials technology to support a burner program that even works. Insert standard argument about the insanity of a plutonium economy.
Insert your retort of Carter did this Carter did that
Insert my response that RayGun dismantled all of Caters legal constructs and the Nuclear Industry itself couldn't find financial backing blah blah - been there done that,, nothing new here move along.
Don't come back unless you have an workable answer to reactor containment vessel embrittlement - oh you don't know what that is do you.
I won't matter if I present a rational argument here I'll still be modded a troll because Slashdot is where the Nuklear Cowboys riiide. People who want to be Nuclear Free are derided as 'Anti'. Facts are dealt with ad-hominem attacks and evidence based arguments are dealt with ignorance. The Nuclear Cowboys don't have the mental capacity to asses the facts rationally and instead rely on dogmatic skepticism and the assurance that they a mentally superior because they rely on the social proof of being modded up to re-assure their own internal belief systems. Bring on the AC losers.
Reality is irrelevant, these Nuklear Cowboys have a reality distortion field that comes from years subjected to professional propaganda and spin doctoring. Fukushima proves every day what a industry full of cowboys can achieve. Want a reliable nuclear industry fanbois then take responsibility for the failures instead of making excuses for them. Even presented with this sobering situation the bullshit flows as freely as the kool aid.
The wonderful, amazing and ultimately pointless technology of the Nuclear Industry is the most massive failure modern man has produced, that's reality!
Color me totally un-surprised that the nuclear energy industry, and worse, the agency responsible for regulating it, has failed, yet again to properly plan for the safe operation of their plants. This is, in word, bullshit. So let's here from the pro-nuke camp as to what their solution will be for this one. (crickets...)
pro-nuke,, more like Nuclear cowboys. It's great how Nuclear Cowboys taint people who want to be Nuclear Free with the "Anti" stigma
No risk necessary. Just take the spent fuel and burn it in a newer-gen reactor.
Ok, ok, transporting radioactive waste is hazardous. So be careful about that.
I presume you are referring to burner type reactors. If the material technology was available to build such a reactor the might be feasible. Since it isn't at the end of the lifespan of such a reactor, if built using conventional materials technology, would present an even more difficult problem to deal with because the radionuclides in such a reactor would be far more radioactive than existing reactor technology.
Aren't we talking about a product that got the benefit of an open architecture in the first place? I'd imagine the product landscape would look a lot different if they didn't have an operating system with an open enough license to base their iProducts on in the first place.
then vote with your wallet, i have never owned an iphone or any other brand of smartphone for exactly that reason, i refuse to spend as much on a cellphone as i would a desktop or laptop computer, i opted to buy a cheap Tracfone for for around 29 bucks and buy a pre-paid card to program it with by three months at a time, that way if my phone gets lost or stolen or broken i have not lost much on it
but you miss out on having live location and status feeds of you anus posed to facebook and twitter
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I believe there are likely a few cockneys that want to string you up for that.
Ez, you just needs to give the dog a bone, every now and then gov.
The people with the British accents are the bad guys.
This is incredible technology. Wouldn't you love to have some checkboxes to turn on/off: state borders, topography, jet stream, hi/lo pressure systems, time display...
Mountain ranges might be an interesting one, perhaps different wind layers as well
When you hear a sexy woman with a posh British accent saying...
"You have been a very. naughty. boy."
Then, then you understand why.
If you just stuck to facts and stopped making stuff up, you probably wouldn't get called out for making stuff up. Your arguments are dripping with various logical biases making them removed from reality either in substance or scale, rendering your entire point irreparably specious.
Where?
Hence the modification you inevitably get. Don't be so arrogant to assume it's because you're laying down knowledge the pro-Nuke crowd simply can't bear to face - it's far more likely you're just confused and out of your depth. Occam's razor and all that...
Or that I've already distilled the argument down to it's simplest possible components and it's still far to complex for you to understand.
I guess that razor cuts both ways Cowboy.
I'd go a bit further and say the arguments against nuclear power come from a heady mix of ignorance and confirmation biases. They're certainly not rooted in reality.
I'd say you're a bullshitter an haven't actually spent any time assessing any of the information available or understanding any of the arguments involved. For example Dixie Lee Ray was the head of the Atomic Energy Commission, what was it he said that demonstrates that you don't know what you are talking about?
Bye Bye now Nukler Cowboy
So, as you see, seawter extraction is more Sy Fy.
No, because you completely failed to mention anything at all about sea water.
Show me the technology in operation and I'll mention it. I've searched in the past and haven't found any commercially operating seawater uranium extraction. Show me a prototype. It's your argument and if it was more efficient than mining then it would be being done already. So, yeah, so until I see it, it's basically SyFy.
You also seem to be arguing that the amount of energy required to build a nuclear plant is equivalent to over 1% of the energy usage of the world's 6th largest economy for an entire year. That seems implausible unless you have some very solid citations to back it up.
You are also claiming that reactors yield little more than the energy required to extract the ore. This is also implausible given that some countries electricity is almost entirely nuclear.
It's quite obvious you don't understand the Nuclear industry as a whole. Mining is one phase of preparing fuel, enrichment the next. Building the reactor is energy intensive , but not nearly as much as tearing the reactor down. Here is the peer reviewed science that you were to lazy to look for when I directed you to it.
You also claimed that stockpiling uranium was implausible.
Where did I say that? Actually my plan does include stockpiling nuclear fuel. What I said was
Oh here we go again, sea water blah blah - no idea of the energetic cost to actually *extract* the fuel from the seawater - extereme density fuel but commercial reactor technology can't extract any more than 1% of that energy density. I've heard it all before just like every other Nuklear Cowboy a shallow ill thought out parroted propaganda argument with very little basis in reality, evidence or fact. I'd call it SY FY - but more ridiculous.
It would seem you have very poor attention to detail.
Your numbers were wrong.
First you say I haven't done the number and when I prove that I have you say they are wrong but not why.
At this point it's fair to say your a hopelessly naive Nuklear Cowboy. You've got no argument to present. The deeper you dig here the more like a fool you are going to look. I'd suggest you educate yourself further and then approach me again with some facts and an honest argument. It's unlikely you have anything further of value to offer.
I doubt it, but since you've not bothered to crunch the numbers your plan is almost certainly worthless.
such poorly constructed assumptions, tsk tsk.
Well I was being generous, PWR use 0.3% of the available energy density.
the expected 300TWh's output of a new AP-1000 (References; low side Vattenfall, high side Storm/Smith link elsewhere) energetic estimates for construction of a nuclear power plant is somewhere between 11TWh and 35TWh, energy cost for demolition around 55TWh to 70TWh, that's around a third before you start. Yet you still have to factor dismantling and clean up of the core alone 5.6TWh's - 16TWh's. They talk in Peta-joules but I've done the conversions to put it in a frame of reference that will be easier to understand.
Using a conservative energy expenditure of 1528Kwh per ton of rock (containing Uranium) you have to process 500 tons of rock, that's 763500Kwh's, to produce one kilo of Uranium. Assuming an extremely optimistic extraction efficiency approaching %50 AND assuming you have a high grade ore that's roughly 763Gwh's per ton and you need 160tons for your first core. Even before enrichment you've consumed over 100TWhs without a 1/3 core refuel every ten years for forty and we haven't even factored energetic costs of a spent fuel containment facility or the logistics of moving spent fuel safely. So, as you see, seawter extraction is more Sy Fy.
So, actually I have crunched the number, to make it easier for Nuklear Cowboys, such as yourself, to understand.
Oh, I'd go a bit further by saying some scientists would disagree, you can check their research. The nuclear industry itself has spent much time attempting to refute their research - so I doubt you can. You will find it's been peer reviewed and constructed using using U.S government standards for industrial process measurement. So until you come up with a better argument then just saying "confirmation biases" this one alone is enough to reveal any further investment in commercial nuclear power as pointless.
Peer reviewed science. Got anything better Nuklear Cowboy.
I won't matter if I present a rational argument here I'll still be modded a troll because Slashdot is where the Nuklear Cowboys riiide. People who want to be Nuclear Free are derided as 'Anti'. Facts are dealt with ad-hominem attacks and evidence based arguments are dealt with ignorance. The Nuclear Cowboys don't have the mental capacity to asses the facts rationally and instead rely on dogmatic skepticism and the assurance that they a mentally superior because they rely on the social proof of being modded up to re-assure their own internal belief systems. Bring on the AC losers.
Reality is irrelevant, these Nuklear Cowboys have a reality distortion field that comes from years subjected to professional propaganda and spin doctoring. Fukushima proves every day what a industry full of cowboys can achieve. Want a reliable nuclear industry fanbois then take responsibility for the failures instead of making excuses for them. Even presented with this sobering situation the bullshit flows as freely as the kool aid.
The wonderful, amazing and ultimately pointless technology of the Nuclear Industry is the most massive failure modern man has produced, that's reality!
HAHAHA - I'm pissing myself laughing right now at all You Nuklear Fuken Cowboys - That's what you are you know - Cowboys. But here is something for your tiny little minds to think about that modding me flame bait won't stop no matter how much power you apply to your reality alter field. If you live in the U.S for the entire time that FukUshima has been happening a steady stream of Radioisotopes has been making their way into the jetstream and being deposited all over the US. All over your food, your cars, your clothes, your houses your roads. everyone you know.
It probably won;t affect you, maybe, possibly. But it will continue, for years and years and years because the Japanese authorities will let it - and there is nothing you can do about it ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. This is the price we all have to pay for your fucking ignorance.
If we had a more rigorous enforcement to the Basis design issues that GE specified as mandatory for these reactors - as discovered by the American Society of Mechanical Engineers, this accident would have never happened and you could have laughed at me and my foolishness.
But today I'm pointing my finger right at you pack of idiots and calling you out for the pack of short sighted, incapable fools you are. For years you've been warned about accidents like this. But noooo, our positive void co-efficient bullshit will save us and the children.
Here's the reality cheque, cashed in full. NUKLEAR COWBOYS RUINED THE NUCLEAR INDUSTRY FOR THEMSELVES because they were so arrogant they couldn't push for quality in the industry they most believed in. Perfectly Safe, Lightning can't strike twice, Power too cheap to meter. None of these lies will stop the radionuclides from entering the foodchain you eat from. So stay in denial, you'll be safe there, while the rest of us try to figure out how to clean up the mess you've left for generations of the Human race to come. IT'S YOUR FAULT, you supported it with your arrogance.
Suck my cherenkov blue balls (it's actually rather pretty)
I won't matter if I present a rational argument here I'll still be modded a troll because Slashdot is where the Nuklear Cowboys riiide. People who want to be Nuclear Free are derided as 'Anti'. Facts are dealt with ad-hominem attacks and evidence based arguments are dealt with ignorance. The Nuclear Cowboys don't have the mental capacity to asses the facts rationally and instead rely on dogmatic skepticism and the assurance that they a mentally superior because they rely on the social proof of being modded up to re-assure their own internal belief systems. Bring on the AC losers.
Reality is irrelevant, these Nuklear Cowboys have a reality distortion field that comes from years subjected to professional propaganda and spin doctoring. Fukushima proves every day what a industry full of cowboys can achieve. Want a reliable nuclear industry fanbois then take responsibility for the failures instead of making excuses for them. Even presented with this sobering situation the bullshit flows as freely as the kool aid.
The wonderful, amazing and ultimately pointless technology of the Nuclear Industry is the most massive failure modern man has produced, that's reality!
HAHAHA - I'm pissing myself laughing right now at all You Nuklear Fuken Cowboys - That's what you are you know - Cowboys. But here is something for your tiny little minds to think about that modding me flame bait won't stop no matter how much power you apply to your reality alter field. If you live in the U.S for the entire time that FukUshima has been happening a steady stream of Radioisotopes has been making their way into the jetstream and being deposited all over the US. All over your food, your cars, your clothes, your houses your roads. everyone you know.
It probably won;t affect you, maybe, possibly. But it will continue, for years and years and years because the Japanese authorities will let it - and there is nothing you can do about it ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. This is the price we all have to pay for your fucking ignorance.
If we had a more rigorous enforcement to the Basis design issues that GE specified as mandatory for these reactors - as discovered by the American Society of Mechanical Engineers, this accident would have never happened and you could have laughed at me and my foolishness.
But today I'm pointing my finger right at you pack of idiots and calling you out for the pack of short sighted, incapable fools you are. For years you've been warned about accidents like this. But noooo, our positive void co-efficient bullshit will save us and the children.
Here's the reality cheque, cashed in full. NUKLEAR COWBOYS RUINED THE NUCLEAR INDUSTRY FOR THEMSELVES because they were so arrogant they couldn't push for quality in the industry they most believed in. Perfectly Safe, Lightning can't strike twice, Power too cheap to meter. None of these lies will stop the radionuclides from entering the foodchain you eat from. So stay in denial, you'll be safe there, while the rest of us try to figure out how to clean up the mess you've left for generations of the Human race to come. IT'S YOUR FAULT, you supported it with your arrogance.
Now thats Flamebait.
I won't matter if I present a rational argument here I'll still be modded a troll because Slashdot is where the Nuklear Cowboys riiide. People who want to be Nuclear Free are derided as 'Anti'. Facts are dealt with ad-hominem attacks and evidence based arguments are dealt with ignorance. The Nuclear Cowboys don't have the mental capacity to asses the facts rationally and instead rely on dogmatic skepticism and the assurance that they a mentally superior because they rely on the social proof of being modded up to re-assure their own internal belief systems. Bring on the AC losers.
Reality is irrelevant, these Nuklear Cowboys have a reality distortion field that comes from years subjected to professional propaganda and spin doctoring. Fukushima proves every day what a industry full of cowboys can achieve. Want a reliable nuclear industry fanbois then take responsibility for the failures instead of making excuses for them. Even presented with this sobering situation the bullshit flows as freely as the kool aid.
The wonderful, amazing and ultimately pointless technology of the Nuclear Industry is the most massive failure modern man has produced, that's reality!
HAHAHA - I'm pissing myself laughing right now at all You Nuklear Fuken Cowboys - That's what you are you know - Cowboys. But here is something for your tiny little minds to think about that modding me flame bait won't stop no matter how much power you apply to your reality alter field. If you live in the U.S for the entire time that FukUshima has been happening a steady stream of Radioisotopes has been making their way into the jetstream and being deposited all over the US. All over your food, your cars, your clothes, your houses your roads. everyone you know.
It probably won;t affect you, maybe, possibly. But it will continue, for years and years and years because the Japanese authorities will let it - and there is nothing you can do about it ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. This is the price we all have to pay for your fucking ignorance.
If we had a more rigorous enforcement to the Basis design issues that GE specified as mandatory for these reactors - as discovered by the American Society of Mechanical Engineers, this accident would have never happened and you could have laughed at me and my foolishness.
But today I'm pointing my finger right at you pack of idiots and calling you out for the pack of short sighted, incapable fools you are. For years you've been warned about accidents like this. But noooo, our positive void co-efficient bullshit will save us and the children.
Here's the reality cheque, cashed in full. NUKLEAR COWBOYS RUINED THE NUCLEAR INDUSTRY FOR THEMSELVES because they were so arrogant they couldn't push for quality in the industry they most believed in. Perfectly Safe, Lightning can't strike twice, Power too cheap to meter. None of these lies will stop the radionuclides from entering the foodchain you eat from. So stay in denial, you'll be safe there, while the rest of us try to figure out how to clean up the mess you've left for generations of the Human race to come. IT'S YOUR FAULT, you supported it with your arrogance.
Fuck you very much.
Reality is irrelevant, these Nuklear Cowboys
As opposed to the Anty-Nuykluer-Cowboies like you?
Of course, because the properties of the material cross GENERATION, it's not a problem - in our generation. Because the problems take soooooo long to boil that frog the problem really isnt there, is it, is it?
YOU have no way to asses or even measure that, because the IAEA has interdiction powers over the WHO from publishing their finds in matters pertaining to nuclear events, including chernobyl and fuku shima. Bet you didn't know that did ya.
Additionaly the plants are compact and for countries lacking natural resources, it is feasible to stockpile very significant amounts of fuel, due to its density. There is also plenty of fuel available from politically stable countries and even seawater (at about 10x the cost), putting a cap on the price.
There's a lot of gppd arguments for nuclear. Most of the argumetns against are centred around the extremely rare but high profile accidents.
Oh here we go again, sea water blah blah - no idea of the energetic cost to actually *extract* the fuel from the seawater - extereme density fuel but commercial reactor technology can't extract any more than 1% of that energy density. I've heard it all before just like every other Nuklear Cowboy a shallow ill thought out parroted propaganda argument with very little basis in reality, evidence or fact. I'd call it SY FY - but more ridiculous.
Reality is irrelevant, these Nuklear Cowboys
As opposed to the Anty-Nuykluer-Cowboies like you?
No, Fool, the term you can refer to me is Responsible Nuclear Advocate. I actually support a well structured Nuclear program that controls Radionuclides, structured programs for reactor development and infrastructure programs to move the industry forward. I've also educated myself in mining, enrichment, reactor technology disposal, legal constructs, environmental and Human health issue. But the problem is that most of the people here who call them selves supporters would do a whole lot better if they would SHUT THE FUCK UP and start doing some more listening instead of their normal position of "oh so superior Dogmatic skepticism" - I'm sick of being nice and polite and civil to mentally lazy idiots that are waaaaaaaaaay out of their depth. I doubt your design for a Nuclear Industry is as detailed as mine, so please, don't attempt to insult me with your purile attempts, i've heard them all before.
FAILURE - It's the most appropriate way to describe the Nuclear Industry. 50 years of repeated, incompetent, bumbling, irresponsible FAILURE. Big on promises, short on delivery. Disassemble the Price Anderson Act RIGHT NOW and let the market decide how to handle the Nuclear Industry.
I promise you it would be shut down overnight - other wise why would we need it - bet you don't have an answer for that do you smart ass.
Weren't you saying ad hominems were bad, just two posts up? What's up with that? They're OK if you do it, but not others? Eh?
No, I just don;t give a fuck because I know it is pointless what ever I do the result will be the same, Troll or today flamebait. A quality post is irrelevant because it will be modded down by the fanboiism, so why waste my energy. The REALITY is that the Nuklear Cowbows are a riiiidin. Presented with fact it's just shrill shill shrill shill over and over like a monkey with a minature cybal.
Nuklear gooood,,, anti nuklear baaaaad
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No ability to think or asses fact, just rattle and rabbit the propaganda - for years I tried observed and today I see more news of what will just be the biggest mass of uncontrollable genetic fuck uping shit being pumped into the food chain and here, the smart - so called nerds - aren't intelligent enough to understand how ridicoulsly fucked this situation is.
It just so happens that today, i could be bothered producing a decent post explaining how toxic the radionuclides are or the type of cancer the nutrient analogues will produce because I'm still trying to wrap my head around which isotopes are going to be pumped into the pacific ocean to be absorbed by all the fishies in the deep blue sea.
But sure, there is no problem, pu-239 is good for you - and it sure makes a great fairy floss, beleive it. The stuff in Nuclear reactors is edible, the liquid isotopes make a great sexual lubricant - rub it all over for a great tan - thats about as bad as it will ever get.
YEEEE-FUCKEN-HAAAAA
The first AC Loser
What pisses me off the most is the people who wring their hands and say we should end Nuclear Power based on a first generation commercial design 20 years past it's design life in the most seismically active place in the world on the coast of the country that has such bad Tsunamis that they actually got the world to use their language in naming it. At the same time there have been near zero coverage of the tens of thousands of people and billions of dollars in property destroyed by the quake and Tsunami.
blah blah, hand waving, unable accept the situation that the operator didn't operate the plant to design specification. Everything you need to know is here
This is all a result of preventing the industry from advancing. Imagine if we were stuck with first generation airplanes? Sure there were accidents as the technology developed and many were killed on the planes and on the ground. But the only way to get better is to do it. We could be sitting here with near limitless energy and zero CO2 emissions if breeders were pursued.
Yep, same old story, power too cheap to meter, could shoulda woulda but didn't have the materials technology to support a burner program that even works. Insert standard argument about the insanity of a plutonium economy.
Insert your retort of Carter did this Carter did that
Insert my response that RayGun dismantled all of Caters legal constructs and the Nuclear Industry itself couldn't find financial backing blah blah - been there done that,, nothing new here move along.
Don't come back unless you have an workable answer to reactor containment vessel embrittlement - oh you don't know what that is do you.
After all, if one car blows up we don't have protests trying to ban all cars.
A car analogy - are you serious.
I won't matter if I present a rational argument here I'll still be modded a troll because Slashdot is where the Nuklear Cowboys riiide. People who want to be Nuclear Free are derided as 'Anti'. Facts are dealt with ad-hominem attacks and evidence based arguments are dealt with ignorance. The Nuclear Cowboys don't have the mental capacity to asses the facts rationally and instead rely on dogmatic skepticism and the assurance that they a mentally superior because they rely on the social proof of being modded up to re-assure their own internal belief systems. Bring on the AC losers.
Reality is irrelevant, these Nuklear Cowboys have a reality distortion field that comes from years subjected to professional propaganda and spin doctoring. Fukushima proves every day what a industry full of cowboys can achieve. Want a reliable nuclear industry fanbois then take responsibility for the failures instead of making excuses for them. Even presented with this sobering situation the bullshit flows as freely as the kool aid.
The wonderful, amazing and ultimately pointless technology of the Nuclear Industry is the most massive failure modern man has produced, that's reality!
And here I was thinkin' that the level of surveillance seen in GITS wouldn't be seen in my lifetime...
Well the designers of the technology had to get their idea from somewhere. I'm pretty sure the SOAD song "Spiders" is about this technology.
Color me totally un-surprised that the nuclear energy industry, and worse, the agency responsible for regulating it, has failed, yet again to properly plan for the safe operation of their plants. This is, in word, bullshit. So let's here from the pro-nuke camp as to what their solution will be for this one. (crickets...)
pro-nuke,, more like Nuclear cowboys. It's great how Nuclear Cowboys taint people who want to be Nuclear Free with the "Anti" stigma
No risk necessary. Just take the spent fuel and burn it in a newer-gen reactor. Ok, ok, transporting radioactive waste is hazardous. So be careful about that.
I presume you are referring to burner type reactors. If the material technology was available to build such a reactor the might be feasible. Since it isn't at the end of the lifespan of such a reactor, if built using conventional materials technology, would present an even more difficult problem to deal with because the radionuclides in such a reactor would be far more radioactive than existing reactor technology.
It's all about the reactors potential lifespan.
Basically: "It was our first attempt and it had localized spots which were hotter than we designed for."
No, actually it was the second attempt. From memory, the first attempt failed as well and is in a similar situation.
Aren't we talking about a product that got the benefit of an open architecture in the first place? I'd imagine the product landscape would look a lot different if they didn't have an operating system with an open enough license to base their iProducts on in the first place.
then vote with your wallet, i have never owned an iphone or any other brand of smartphone for exactly that reason, i refuse to spend as much on a cellphone as i would a desktop or laptop computer, i opted to buy a cheap Tracfone for for around 29 bucks and buy a pre-paid card to program it with by three months at a time, that way if my phone gets lost or stolen or broken i have not lost much on it
but you miss out on having live location and status feeds of you anus posed to facebook and twitter
That's WHY they are called 'updates'
sHOULD IpHONING A sNATCH bE A fELONY?