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Berners-Lee Says Internet Will Make Kids Creative
ErikPeterson submitted a story where Tim Berners-Lee (if you need explanation, you're reading the wrong site) is interviewed about how on-line life will make our children more creative than us. He makes various points and predictions about what the internet will do.
For those unfamiliar with Tim Berners-Lee, he is the Director of the World Wide Web Consortium.
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And he also predicts that the semantic web will take off Real Soon Now. ;-) (Where real soon is t + 5 years for continuously evaluated t.)
This is who Tim Berners-Lee is.
BERNERS-LEE: The creativity of our children. In many ways, people growing up with the Web and now the Semantic Web take the power at their fingertips for granted. The people who designed the tools that make the Net run had their own ideas for the future. I look forward to seeing what the next generation does with these tools that we could not have foreseen. ...
I guess it will depend per person but I find that reading novels, poetry, and other "classic" lit is what causes ME to be more creative. Yes, that stuff is available online but we all know how cumbersome and uncomfortable it can be to read a novel on a screen.
I believe the Internet will lead to more better global understanding and knowledge (it already has). It will lead to better news reporting to compete with those that read from multiple news sources and have a better understanding of the truth so that sensationalism and out and out lies will likely decrease. Finally, I hope that through this global awareness, political pressure for values and family-first as well as "Great Firewalls" will end as governments (and those that run them) grow to understand and embrace the openness of the world.
Wishful thinking, especially when I believed that MY generation would understand these things and stop things like super right-winged conservative "family values" being pushed through the government. Instead, I am watching as people in America are growing up to want less and less freedom.
I am still hopeful as we didn't grow up 100% immersed in the Internet from birth.
It won't do anything. The question is: What will we do with (or should I use 'to'?) it ?
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The internet will reduce the value of a good long-term memory significantly, because you can always look things up, and it will increase the value of being a quick study dramatically. Those who can learn a new task on demand via the internet, use it, and move on to something new will be more successful than those who need to spend a long time learning. Specialization will become a lot less common, but will be a lot more valuable for those areas where it exists and is necessary.
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The people who designed the tools that make the Net run had their own ideas for the future. I look forward to seeing what the next generation does with these tools that we could not have foreseen...
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Of course! You should be reading this site instead for 5 minutes... and go back to reading
And also more 40 year old virgins...
Seems to me it would make them more creative at three things...
1. Finding a way to send IM's to each other at school without the admin noticing.
2. Find ways to get to game/pr0n sites that filters block.
3. Find ways to appear working, while actually not.
An interesting story from #3...
A friend of mine was supposed to be doing some work for history at school, but didn't know that the computers had sound. (his work was in another window) He went to stupidvideos.com, and started to play a clip, but then the computer belted out, "Stupid Videos!" and then the sounds of someone doig something stupid. Thinking fast, he hid the taskbar and switched to the window with his work. The teacher never found out who it was playing the stupidvideos.
"For instance, the Net does not change the number of hours in the day or the number of things you can keep in your head." (emphasis mine)
Sure, it hasn't changed the potential of our memory -- but I would speculate that the internet has decreased the amount of information we do keep in our heads. Because information is so easily available, we need to remember less.
Is this a bad thing? Not as long as the Web is available to us. It probably makes us more effective in general, since we have more info at hand. But if the Web were to fail due to apocalypse or something, I think we'd have some cache-ing up to do.
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Bah, what would he know about the internet?
From TFA: The creativity of our children. In many ways, people growing up with the Web and now the Semantic Web take the power at their fingertips for granted. The people who designed the tools that make the Net run had their own ideas for the future. I look forward to seeing what the next generation does with these tools that we could not have foreseen. ...
I suspect he didn't mean to say that our children will be more creative than we are. Just that we can't foresee what new applications will be developed, and how all that information will be used.
'making kids creative' would be hugely optimistic given what's currently happening on the internet, with most people's publications being either mundane or regurgitation. I suspect most activity on the internet is passive consumption rather than creative.
N-American children will most likely be more creative again than W-European children. This is caused by overly worried parents in N-America installing all kinds of filters, which the children have to circumvent to get to where they want to go. In W-Europe this is done a lot less, thus not making the children equally creative.
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Who would've thought that the inventor of the World Wide Web would declare it is good for people and society as a whole?
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What makes children creative is getting outside and building forts out of anything they can find. It is playing cops and robbers, cowboys and indians. It is riding a bike, playing in woods, meeting friends in real life. It is reading the book and figuring out in your head what the characters look like, what hte landscape looks like. It isn't watching a movie or watching a slideshow on the internet.
The internet is fun, don't get me wrong. But it isn't helping people become more interactive and creative. it is a tool to do work, it is a tool to communicate. it isn't a new friend.
Isn't this kind of obvious....
Father of world wide web says that the world wide web is good for children!
What else is he going to say? I mean I agree with him, but he isn't exactly an impartial observer.
*If* we can keep the predators out there away from them long enough.... sorry for being an incorrigible pessimist, but we all *know* "they're" out there.... How do you give kids enough freedom to become creative *and* keep them safe at the same time?
Take a peek at the GameFAQs.com forums. They are frequented by youth and young adults. Notice the terrible grammar, horrible spelling, and the inability of many posters there to post coherent, sensible content. Whether this is caused by a lack of proper education, or whether it is just the nature of message boards, is questionable.
Personally, I would never let my children or grandchildren post at the GameFAQs forums without proper supervision. It's not about protecting them from the content there, but more the presentation of the content. I support creativity, and to be truly expressive requires intelligence and at least the ability to read and write with clarity and correctness.
All a child will learn at GameFAQs is how to type and compose written works very poorly. While the Internet can help children become very creative, it can also lead them to become lazy in their communication habits. Frankly, I'd be adverse to letting a child, or even a teen, post frequently at forums like those at GameFAQs, just because of how their creativity could be negatively affected.
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This argument of the web making kids more creative is I think faulty. The reasoning:
Smart & creative kids use the current environment of social structure to get to the information they want, or the tools they want. A library is one of those tools. The internet only makes it easier to access a lot more less structures information.
What the net probably does, is make it less boring for some kids, and thus giving more creative but without the internet easily bored kids a chance to show their creativity.
Boredom and attentionspan problems will however also take their toll on the internet, so to predict a more creative generation is not justifiable.
Time will tell.
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This article is BS. I have tried many times to explain to my girlfriend why I spend so much time with my boxen. She won't accept...
1. I'm searching for deals on diamonds.
2. Just 10 more minutes.
3. It is cheaper than going out and partying.
4. Theres nothing but crap on TV (which is true)
If I told her I was working on "expanding my creativity" I am pretty sure she would "creatively" kick me in the nuts.
Tim basically just states that since we're using his baby in ways he coldn't have foreseen, that certainly all the new stuff we'll see in the next 10 years will come as a surprise, too.
Well, Tim... duh! But I actually have a bone to pick with the way the post spins his comment. The web isn't going to make kids more creative. Perhaps it will allow natively creative kids to draw on more information and savor the exposure to a wider world... but that's only useful if creativity, as a hardwired personality trait, and as a parent-nurtured habit/way-of-life is actually present.
It's more likely that some creative children will leverage all of this great connectivity to grow up and make cool things happen, and that many more other children will leverage all of this great connectivity by sitting on their couches passively consuming that which the first group creates. Is there anything about humanity's adoption of any evolving communication medium that suggests otherwise? The availability of printing presses didn't turn everyone into authors, and the availability of cheap home video gear didn't turn everyone into creative filmmakers. And the availability of low-brow blogging and site authoring tools sure as hell hasn't made most kids any more creative - just noisier.
I am looking forward to how really creative people continue to push the technology in unexpected directions. But I know better than to think that the creative/potato ratio will change in any meaningful way, Semantic Web or not, Tim.
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How is being a passive consumer of information on the internet going to make children into active creators?
It may give them a better background for applying creativity should they wish to be creative but I just don't see how it encourages them to actually be creative.
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Well, Mister Berners-Lee, thanks for invented this wonderful Intarweb thing I use all the time. But you predictions are vague and meaningless and the Semantic Web is going to happen right after video phones, flying cars, and the release of Duke Nukem Forever for the Neo Geo Pocket. I don't blame you... you never set out to be any kind of guru, and people ask you questions all the time and you are probably too nice a guy to say "How the flak should I know? Do you ask the guy who invented the computer keyboard what novels he think will be typed on them soon??" Actually, they probably do. Anyhow, thanks for the Web!
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From TFA
CNN: What will surprise us about the future evolution of the Internet?
BERNERS-LEE: The creativity of our children. In many ways, people growing up with the Web and now the Semantic Web take the power at their fingertips for granted. The people who designed the tools that make the Net run had their own ideas for the future. I look forward to seeing what the next generation does with these tools that we could not have foreseen....
Isn't he talking about kids creatively changing the internet but not exactly kids getting creative BY it as of today?
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Maybe they will finally get that Semantic Web thing off the ground.
Tim Berners-Lee
Tim Berners-Lee is the Director of the World Wide Web Consortium, Senior Researcher at MIT's CSAIL, and Professor of Computer Science at Southampton ECS.
Weaving the Web by Tim Berners-Lee with Mark Fischetti, (Harper San Francisco; Paperback: ISBN:006251587X, Abridged audio cassette abridged ISBN:0694521256) and various other languages. 1997.
Bio
A graduate of Oxford University, England, Tim now holds the 3Com Founders chair at the Laboratory for Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Lab (CSAIL)at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). He directs the World Wide Web Consortium, an open forum of companies and organizations with the mission to lead the Web to its full potential.
With a background of system design in real-time communications and text processing software development, in 1989 he invented the World Wide Web, an internet-based hypermedia initiative for global information sharing. while working at CERN, the European Particle Physics Laboratory. He wrote the first web client (browser-editor) and server in 1990.
Before coming to CERN, Tim worked with Image Computer Systems, of Ferndown, Dorset, England and before that as a principal engineer with Plessey Telecommunications, in Poole, England.
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The start of the article lauds BL for "inventing the internet." This is BS. People were linking content LONG before BS using mark-up languages. Most on-line help systems provided such service. Do a patent search and you find all sorts of ringers...
I guess the his whole stance is denial of other literature that states people in the information age are becomming less intelligent. But wait - creative and intelligent aren't the same thing are they.
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More creative? The only thing that the internet is going to do is train kids to think logically how to find information. All the information you could ever need is on the internet. Their will be no reason for creativity.
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Jeez, one thing I notice is that the Internet has caused everyone - including children/young people - to think that just because they have an uninformed or slightly informed opinion on something they ought to (1) argue it blindly (2) shout about it indefinately and (3) brow-beat those who disagree. Livejournal et all are just bastions of uninformed, or slightly informed opinion. There was a time in discourse - political or otherwise - when it was acceptable to say "I have no opinion on the matter". Now it seems like if you haven't got a deeply rooted opinion on a topic within 5 minutes of it happening you are doing a grave disservice to the world. There was a time when I had a blog (well, before it was called that) and I ended it after a few years beacuse I was tired of people e-mailing me demanding to know what I wasn't "covering" a specific topic.
Make them "more creative than us"? Don't you mean "more creative than we are"? "Us" is an object pronoun, dude. "We" is the appropriate subject pronoun.
I mean if you're not careful, you'll say stuff like, "I like eating cheeseburgers more than her," when you really mean, "I like eating cheeseburgers more than she does." NOT the same, bunky.
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Who is "Tim Berners-Lee", and what is this "Internet" that the article refers to?
I can honestly say my parents 'grounding' me has led me to be a techie.
No more video games... to enforce that they took the power cable. So I found one in the garage. They got more pissed, and took the IDE cable. So I figured out which cable was missing, went down to the local computer store and bought a new one. They were pissed, but impressed, and let me have at it.... I was maybe 9 at the time...
As an experienced parent, I find my kids only interest in the internet is for finding online games. I believe the effect of computer and gameboy games is that kids are actually less creative nowdays. They seem to be totally incapable of entertaining themselves without a computer or some kind of gameboy. They also have very little interest in any kind of outdoor physical activity.
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Are you sure he created the World Wide Web? I thought Al Gore did.
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Do not confuse creativity with displays of stupidity. In no way is true creativity exercised when trying to interpret the moronic pseudo-English typing of some illiterate, 13-year-old kid posting at the GameFAQs forums.
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My apologies to whoever it was who first said it, but creativity is nothing but a measure of how well one hides their sources.
So, by that measure, yes. The Web will increase creativity.
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This applies to my part of the US.
While I agree with you, I will hasten to add that just like what electronic gadgets and lack of focus have done to our kids in school, the heavy dependence on the Internet will help produce pretty confident kids but who cannot deliver in real world environments.
I know because I was a teacher at one time. Today's kids are pretty confident. They go:..."I can do this...I can do that"...mostly as end users. Just see how kids play the PS2s and XBoxes of this world. They are pretty good at this. When more serious problems come up at their places of work, they cannot deliver. Their companies resort to outsourcing. Little wonder that not much in America seems to be done right these days.
Just imagine for a second how we handled the Katrina hurricane after knowing that it was coming, it was big, it was headed for a city below sea level and that thousands could not evacuate. For the 5 or 6 days we had to prepare, shame is what we have to endure now. Generations to come will be embarrassed with this generation.
Creative... at making porn!
Won't somebody think of the children!!
I'm not really convinced after reading the article (well, the one paragraph on the topic) that children are going to be more creative. I think by giving them so many channels of things to do, they're not forced to be as creative. I look at when I was growing up and the things I would do. I had Matchbox cars, legos, etc... Very static items that were only fun if I were creative. In fact, I remember spending a lot of time outside, finding L shaped sticks and pretending they were guns for a good game of cops and robbers with friends. Now, when I look at my little nephew, he spends a good deal of his time playing his gamecube. If he's not doing that, he's on the computer playing games on the net. Really, the only time he's doing anything similar to what I used to do is when he goes outside and rides his bike. The fact is, he really doesn't have to be creative because he has so many options at his fingertips that most of us didn't have when we were kids. Because of that, I really have to disagree with Berners-Lee.
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If by us, you mean you Mr "I-can't-be-arsed-reading-the-article-properly-and -realising-that the-headline-is-just-an-attention-grabbing-out-of- context-quote" Taco then your summary is probably correct, however what he is saying is that the way that our children use the internet in the future will amaze us. For those of use who experienced the arrival of the Internet and the Web, something like Wikipedia is astounding. For our children something like that is perfectly normal and they will be able to use the internet in creative ways that we can't imagine.
Sheeesh! It's not that hard to read an article properly. Do you get paid for what you do?
No but, yeah but, no but...
...stealing Al Gore's invention.
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With the proliferation of easy to access pornography, our children are being primed for a MUCH more creative sex life than us. If there isn't a midget, a goat, 3 vegetables, 6 women, and guy dressed up as a clown, they'll be bored.
Ahh, to be young again...
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1) Be observant and notice something before most other people do.
2) Present your observation as a prophecy.
3) Be hailed as a genius/hero/psychic when other people make the same observation at a later point in time.
Slashdot says its the future of the internet.
Seriously, he doesnt know anymore than us about the future of the internet, which this article proves. Kids only learn from the internet if they want to, for most its just how much they accidently learn before they discover pornography.
Mod me funny but its true.
You are making this story up! You seriously went over the edge with your parents knowing how to open a PC and know which cable to take out.
LOL
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...ask the semantic web how long 'real soon' is and the cyclical prophesy will be fulflled!
Wishful thinking, especially when I believed that MY generation would understand these things and stop things like super right-winged conservative "family values" being pushed through the government.
Okay, the last time I saw you post, you were ranting about a porn review being biased and seeing "right-winged conservative 'family values'" conspiracies everywhere.
It seems to me, you are nothing but a troll attempting to divert everybody into your favourite argument, no matter what the subject. Porn? Right-wing conservative attack! Kids on the Internet? Right-wing conservative attack!
Don't you have anything better to do with your life than trying to waste the time of strangers?
PS: I just remembered, according to your last post, you are on your honeymoon. Either you are a liar, or you *really* should have something better to be doing right now.
First, the paranoid conspiracy theorists need to try some decaff and cut their sugar intake. You're all way too hyper and not every /. article should lead to fear mongering about censorship. The Internet's history and nature shows very clearly it is its own best defense against censorship.
Second, the utopian dreamer who sound like Doug Henning on acid need to get a grip. It's a tool like any other. It is NOT on the same level as the invention of spoke and written language, it is merely a tool of conveying same. So far, the Internet has been a tool to say more nothing faster than ever before such that anyone anywhere at anytime can say nothing before they can think nothing.
Third, the negative naysayers need to get a grip as well because we already heard from your contingent regarding the feasability of ever reaching the moon or for that matter discovering the new world instead of falling off the edge of it. I'm a cynic by nature and very much given to waiting and seeing forever because the story never does reach a conclusion and the point is the ride not the destination.
That being said, I rather doubt the Internet is "making" anyone more creative, but merely passively encouraging release of what creativity they already had along the lines of the Internet Superman Syndrome we see with flamewar generals. It's the Internet, people don't take what is said here too seriously, assume that they can say whatever with impunity, and who cares in the end as it doesn't really matter. They treat it like a toy.
Why not put your horrible drawings up like the world's largest kitchen refrigerator? Why not publish your half-baked theories? Why not spew endless drivel and ramblings? Why not parade your unfinished writings? It doesn't matter in the first place and if anyone cares, its a small bonus. The shotgun method of socialization. Throw it all out there and let people pick and choose in the detritus and ignore it all if they like.
Of course the Internet cognoscenti want to wax pompous and reminisce about some mythical good old days of genteel geek users who only said wonderful things of note and value or said nothing at all but this is clearly hogwash as collections of many old mailing lists show never mind what you will hear from the same old timers when they let their guard down over a beard and aren't doing a snobbish blog post about it publicly.
Maybe in time people will throw less garbage and more gems but the whole process of peer review is slow on the net with such volume and it takes time and people actually caring about the feedback to then make the effort to work what they put out and refine it. Slowly it will happen.
We're not becoming more creative. I was extremely creative and so were my parents and their parents in their own way, setting, and environment. The kids today merely have the omnipresent world wide web thing to display their creative output. Now more people can know about the little rugrats' creativity than just the neighbors when they walk out to find their tree has been tp'd. Now the kids can scrawl grafitti from one end of the globe to the other.
If my grammar and spelling are off, I am [distracted/tired/careless] (take your pick)
not "more creative than us"
For my sixth grade science project I made the monumental decision to do it on mold. I did not have Encarta on CD nor did the Internet exist. All I had was my science text book and those books at the library. I put bread in petri dishes and exposed them to various amounts of light, moisture, heat etc... These I used in my science display. I also remember my buddy Tim doing his on aerodynamics and his various balsa wood carvings placed in front of a fan. I can only imagine in todays era I would have used the Internet to print out color displays, found how-to guides on mold creation etc... Instead I experimented and created my own ways. I don't know if that was better because in the end I'm sure I was less informed that today's youth but I do think I was forced to be more creative.
Poetry
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they will be as dumb as their geek fathers.
"I guess it will depend per person but I find that reading novels, poetry, and other "classic" lit is what causes ME to be more creative."
Yes, well,we find you to be a bit stuffy.
I kid! I kid!
Only just this morning my firstborn child walked into the kitchen, looked at the cat and said LOLWTFBBQ!!1!!. Later that day I discovered a porn mag in his room containing explicit hardcore furry midgets with tentacles.
Makes my distant childhood duller by the day...
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His opinions are just his opinions. they aren't more valid or better than someone else. Creativity has nothing to do with the internet. It has everything to do with teaching children creative thinking. History is a much better predictor and magic 8 ball on this topic than TBL.
thats how the internet made me creative when I was growing up!
Actually, all I've seen the internet do is teach kids to copy and modify slightly which is not creative at all. I've also seen a fair bit of plagarism.
If you're creative, you're creative and the internet is just a tool to allow you to express that creativity. It will not make you creative.
As far as proof goes, look at all the fat and lazy kids today.
This seems to be more pie-in-the-sky. While I can appreciate what Mr. Berners-Lee has done for the Internet (like the WorldWideWeb), these types of predictions are odd to say the least. It's like saying that the Internet will end world hunger or bring peace in the Middle East. You can't eat the Internet! Think of this as the Information Superhighway without the information.
how about the 4 kids here who spend all of their waking moments that they aren't doing homework farking around on 'neopets.com' ? hmm.
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BERNERS-LEE: The creativity of our children. In many ways, people growing up with the Web and now the Semantic Web take the power at their fingertips for granted. The people who designed the tools that make the Net run had their own ideas for the future. I look forward to seeing what the next generation does with these tools that we could not have foreseen. ...
again, what is with this stupid semantic web bs. It's never going to happen because the W3C is tackling the problem from the wrong side. Google's approach is the way to go, not semantic web RDF horse dung.
Tim is ok, but no, the internet won't make our kids any brighter in a magical way...
I wrote this huge rant about how I think computers and the internet are going to revolutionize society, and eliminate a lot of the redundancy and waste in government and education, but I figured I'd just get nailed and flamed as a pie in the sky optimist.
So, instead of writing my vision of what society can be, I'll just say "I agree."
Things never quite work out as you think anyway.
Sure meny kids are very creative with the internet in its current form.. Google... HOW-TO make a bomb HOW-TO get high from oridinay household agents HOW-TO make crystal meth List could go on :) now thats being creative
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When did TBL start the crack habit that made him say stuff like this? Has he heard of Livejournal? Or Myspace? These are some of the most popular teenaged hangouts and it's full of drivel and bad english.
Hell, even this post here has grammatical errors.
boy> mom says de internets making me more creativ!
girl> cool!
boy> i gato go, friends asking me to keep writin my power rangers fanfic
girl> keep dat craetivity goin!
(Gee, I can't wait to see what the future is holding for us)
How about kids these days get away from computers and start playing outside.
No, seriously, just a few years ago, kids used to play outside. Now, you see so many sitting behind their computer screen.
Ugh, it's like a disease!
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In a recent e-mail interview with CNN.com's Lila King, the Briton, now Sir Berners-Lee...
That's Sir Tim you illiterate twit! Stop reading the Internet and check you honorific syntax.
True but simple; however, it gets the point accross.
There are shades of grey, if you subscribe 100% which a few founders did, you most definately would be labeled an extremist today.
I suppose one could call those values as a group american; however:
a) values can be grouped and labeled, but can't be owned. (reminder to some americans)
b) they were not invented or discovered by americans. just the 1st of that grouping by government.
c) those values are wide spread and one of the reasons people wanted to come here.
Bush hates your freedom. just watch his actions.
Dipshit.
The internet will reduce the value of a good long-term memory significantly, because you can always look things up, and it will increase the value of being a quick study dramatically.
In the future, a person's memories will be nothing more than a neural link to wikipedia articles and their decision making process will be based off how the construct their google search.
Wait... I think I already do that.
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For those unfamiliar with Tim Berners-Lee, he is the Director of the World Wide Web Consortium. And a developmental psychologist too, apparently. Or so it would seem that he seems to think.
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Erik, you linked to your online store. Nice try. That submission field is not for that purposes, it's for contact address! Please leave that field blank, everybody know it's not funny!
learning how to play and having TIME is all that is required.
Books require imagination and help with it to a degree.
Internet is more passive reading as far as html--and hardly any of that is like a book.
I know many teachers, and I can tell you that american kids are LESS creative now than ever before. Internet doesn't have the power to undo the damage everything else causes.
Necessity is the mother of invention. Kids only need to be given 1 lesson: to try to come up with your own activity. Parents only need to get them to learn that with a little guidance at an early age.
Peers CAN help or hinder. Most kids now would hinter it because they are passive consumers already.
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How do you think modern kids get short attention spans? Could be the 100s of lbs of sugar they eat per year (mostly an american problem.) Could be the TV. Could be the video games. Could be the internet too.
More kids without those were creative. Seems like a simple solution. Even back then, kids had to be taught to be creative--once started, they will continue one their own. Some never got started sure, but more don't have a chance today.
My artist mother got us started, and then starved us of tv/etc. which gave us time to learn the lesson.
Toys, media, games, leave less open to imagination. Movies especially. (except perhaps harry potter)
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Some interesting counterpoints on what excessive computing takes away from a child's developemt.
I had this silly notion that to be American meant you live on continental Central, North, or South America.
But I forgot; only citizens of the United States are real "Americans," because they can't see past their own two shoes.
Spoon not. Fork, or fork not. There is no spoon.
OH Yeah! they already know about doggystyle! facial ,hentai,bukake,threesome, backdoor lover...that's creative enough.
I ask, what more can the internet stimulate in our kids?
So he obviously knows about the teh internet.
But I think that someone who knows more about children would be better to make such a claim.
I actually disagree. They said the same about tv, and it is obviously not true. I love the internet, but I'll keep my kids away from it until their imaginations have developed on their own instead of needing some other aparatus to feed them info/entertainment.
On average we ARE smarter than our parents, and THEY are smarter than our grandparents. So much so that IQ scores have to be "renormalized" every 20 years or so - 100 a generation ago is 90-something today.
I don't know if there's a similar trend with creativity, but if there is and it hasn't been measured yet, then any claim 20 years from now that "today's kids are more creative than their parents, and technology gets the credit" will be hard to prove.
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Yeah I like option c! "Click here" link text makes the internet easier to navigate. It's like "No" "Ok" dialog box buttons.
Spoon not. Fork, or fork not. There is no spoon.
Would you use the "cannibal" sentence? I don't think there's anything wrong with how I used like at all. I'm sure it was grammatically valid.
Why is it so ridiculous to use object pronouns for objects and subject pronouns for subjects? Is a sentence SUCH AS, "The next generation will be more creative than we are," that pompous?
There is a difference in the meaning of the following two sentences:
1) I like video games more than her.
2) I like video games more than she does.
The first compares my like for video games with my like for her. The second compares my like for video games with her like for video games. These two sentences could be expanded to the following:
1) I like video games more than I like her.
2) I like video games more than she likes video games.
Notice that the subject in the first clause of each sentence is "I". The subject is the one doing the verb. The object is the person or thing on the receiving end of the verb. In the second clause of the first sentence, the object is "her". The action (of liking) is received by "her". However, in the second sentence, "she" is the subject and "video games" are the object. "She" is doing the action (of liking), and "video games" are receiving the action (of liking). Unless there's a good reason not to, you should use the proper pronoun.
I think the issue of splitting infinitives is the same. If you make a habit of splitting them, it will be easy to, for the reader, get confused. Sometimes it sounds strange not to split an infinitive, and in those cases it's best to split them. The biggest "rules" about writing are to be clear, well organized, and persuasive.
Instead of just "asking anybody on the street" about any given topic, maybe you would do better to ask someone who is educated about it. Would you ask "anybody on the street" how to file your taxes or how to sing? If I were the one asking, I'd be a bit more selective. Nothing is lost by using the proper pronoun, unless your goal is "street cred". If that's the case, then by all means you can flame me hairless with Mr. T. English, gangsta slang, l33t w3rdz, or whatever.
Personally though, I think people who want to learn something about grammar should read the "grammar Nazi" posts, and those who don't should just skim over to the next post and let it go at that.
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In Plato's Pharmacy, Socrates claims the use of writing will weaken one's intellect. Writing will weaken one's ability to memorize. Written records may preserve falsehoods.
... with the status of copyright and patent laws in North America, they will have less and less ways to express their creativity.
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Hopefully some will become patent reform lawyers and find ways to make the world creative friendly again. Or just move to Europe (for now...)
JsD
completely negate whatever effects the internet has on making people more creative.
The real secret to creativity is knowing how to keep your sources secret. The internet doesn't help here.
When more serious problems come up at their places of work, they cannot deliver. Their companies resort to outsourcing. Little wonder that not much in America seems to be done right these days.
I think you make a great point. So, do you have any advice to parents on how to keep a child from growing up without real world skills? If you are a parent yourself, have you taken any steps to help your kids be more self-reliant?
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Microsoft immediately filed for a patent on kids' creativity.
It's true no man is an island, but if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, they make a good raft.
I dont think it necessarily makes kids 'more creative', the internet is just a tool that enhances what was already there. It just gives everyone and an outlet to express themselves and since kids of this age grew up with the technology it's in's and outs will be second nature.
Whenever I here someone attribute an ill defined attribute such as 'creativity' to a vague group of ill defined people I always cringe. Hard work, persistence, taking care of yourself and maximizing genetic potential nature gave you takes you most of the way there.
Commitment to a goal without persistence of action, is stillborn, the price of greatness is committed dedication to focus, refine, clarify and solve.
I think the only thing the internet does is allow people to make connections, link information and ideas, and make discoveries and realizations using already existing information to create new combinations of ideas from already existing information faster.
There's so much shit online that we just have to filter what content to look at no matter how niche the topic is. This means being LOUD helps getting attention, we see more and more crafted websites, BBS messages, blogs and such that do not say anything worthy but are just 'OK' quality and useless. They exist only to help drive people attention to whatever authors want, blogs updated daily are more popular that those w/ weekly updates even if updates are shit. Because just by being more vocal you gain a benefit. It's natural, but it pollutes the info-space. It's a continuous fight between original content and baazar shouting. I hope one of the next web-changing things someone will come up will be a service that will help cut the crap. CUT THE CRAP! CUT THE CRAP!
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Hmm. I'm not sure you've got your finger right on it regarding outsourcing. Take tech support. Tech support needs to be appropriate to the level of the user. If I call up a supplier because their router doesn't work (or I can't get it to work), and I quite clearly tell them that I'm not an idiot, I don't need the "move your mouse down and left-click on the Start menu, now go to control panel" treatment.
And I used not to get that. An old ISP I used from way-back-when, for instance, had the ordinary tech support line, and a line that gets you direct through to the geeks which they gave out to customers who weren't newbies (generally, the people ringing in to tell them their servers are borked and didn't need to have a hand-held guide on how to set up dial-up networking). It could have been just small-local-company friendliness, but it was useful.
The people doing the tech support were the computer game generation. But I'd swap back and have the local-friendly-BSD-nerds over "John from Mumbai" any day, since "John" seems unable to talk to me as if I'm not a newbie. If you're getting paid, you shouldn't be giving stupid answers to smart questions (though vice versa is fine).
(More ISP's ought to have a nerd-line so you can just report problems, rather than battle with tech support. I miss my old ISP.)
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Nothing is lost by using the proper pronoun, unless your goal is "street cred".
"Street cred" turned the governor of Texas into the President of the United States. A lot of American swing voters base their decisions on "street" credibility, or at least on the impression of credibility given by the movie-studio-owned mainstream media.
Sure, just like LSD made our kids minds more expanded.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
There is also the problem that what is written is not what they meant.
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