But what advantages does it have over Perl, Perl 6 and Mono/C#? I already know Perl and Perl 6 should be easy to learn, but if it need more from a bytecode interpreted language I'll look at C#.
I also wanna learn OCAML and C/C++ and some assembly. So I don't see how I'm going to find time for Java in the near future unless Sun decides to GPL it to give me more incentive.
My favorites are wireless networks and webpads. These technologies will help us make our world portable and seamlessly integrate it with the rest of our lives, if we could ever come to the conclusion that people are more valueable as inventors, creators, writers, programmers, etc. Instead of the cheap labor robots we currently use them for. But I doubt we'll change anytime soon as long as so many of us think so highly of capitalism.
But at least we have the opportunity to start a business and make enough money to never have to work again AND have a huge pool of cheap maids to choose from to clean up after us, take our calls and keep our schedules clear so we have plenty of time to golf.
If I was exceptionally wealthy I'd sit at home (I'd own a home) and write code while tokin my Cannabis. But I'll probably never be wealthy cuz I don't want to use people to get there.
Why do we complain about these things instead of doing something about it, like voting with our money?
I stopped flying after 9/11/2001 and I honestly don't think I will ever fly again. Not until the airlines can offer me a service that appeals to me. I would have let them all go out of business, which recent reports suggest is where they are headed anyway, even after our multi-billion dollar bailout.
To me this is like supporting terrorism, by having inherently insecure and obviously dangerous technology available to the public. I don't mind living dangerously, but I refuse to give up my freedom so some cowards can feel a little safer. Even on 9/12/2001 I did not feel threatened by the possibility of terrorist strikes via commercial airliners. I felt more threatened by my neighbors and how I knew they would be voting and thinking while watching the various "news" media they had access to. This news and how it affects us blissfully ignorant masses is the only thing that scares me.
Stop supporting a system that refuses to work for its people.
If enough people did this they would beg us to be more productive again and improve our economy. Because everyone in power would be losing their jobs too.
then why did we bomb Afghanistan if Iraq was the strategic sovereign country to invade? Why didn't we clear it with congress first? Why didn't we declare War? Why did CNN delete sections of documents showing Iraq was cooperating with weapons inspectors? How did Haliburton fit into all of this? Why didn't Bush believe in global warming? Why did he propose a constiutional amendment on religious grounds? etc. etc. etc.
My problem here is I simply don't trust this administration to do the right thing for the people. Perhaps in time we will learn that this was the right thing to do for the Iraqi people. Perhaps we will learn that it was not. But now we are stuck in a situation that is not resolved while our economy is in a rather significant recession, from my perspective. This might benefit us, but its also possible that it might not. I've also heard that Afghanistan is not much better now than before we bombed them. But what I hear is often different than the truth.
I'm just looking for the truth in all of this and hoping we didn't act without think.
Real - Software that has always (imo) had a horrible interface, rife with ads slapped anywhere they would fit, and a constant nagging to buy their pro version (ok Apple does this too with Quicktime, but you don't need that for mp3s). Add to that their file formats are constantly changing requiring upgrades, and their encoding has always been sub par.
Okay, I agree that Real wasn't the best company for the longest time. I outright hated their software and would have never recommended it. But recently I heard about their deal with Novell and other Linux distros and HelixPlayer, the open source version of RealPlayer. So I decided to check out their website as well as that helixcommunity thing. They look like they did a 180. Its like a completely different company that's interested in providing quality technology as well as some of the commercial media stuff, but no where near as bad as it was getting.
Go check out real.com and helixcommunity.org sometime. Its cool stuff. No really, its actually cool this time. I'm not lying.. Hey, stop throwing things at me..
There are those of us who see the world as it is though: depraved and getting worse everyday.
So, your perspective on life is through the eyes of a pessimist?
I just thought that looked like a cool link, sorry.
You can argue with me if you want, but you'll have to ignore the constantly rising murders, rapes, and other violent crimes, as well as the consequences of immoral acts such as the proliferation of STDs and teen pregnancy.
Murder: Peaked in 1980. Rape: Peaked in 1992. Other violent crimes: Peaked in 1993.
All have been on the decline ever since.
Just the other day I saw this immoral person handing out STDs and teen pregnancy on teh corner. I wanted to hurt them so bad. I was blinded by my hate. And for that I am sorry.
But I would have supported a war with Iraq if my government didn't lie to me about our reasons for going to war. I knew they were lying before the war and it has been proven that there was no real threat from WMD in Iraq. Though I thought going to war with afghanistan was a mistake, because we were taking action without having all the facts. Perhaps I was wrong on that one. Did bombing afghanistan put an end to terrorism? No? What about bombing Iraq? No? What about bombing Iran? Syria? Libya? North Korea? Saudi Arabia? Pakistan? We seem to be fighting terrorism the same way I fix problems on computers. Trial and error.
So I'm sorry, but if you want my vote don't lie to me. Want to overthrow a bad government? Make your case and state it clearly.
I would have probably suggest we used the money to improve our economy, school system, space program, or something more productive, but I would not have actively opposed the war. And I'm all for improving security at the airports. Just not with armed guards. I'm all for hunting down suspected terrorists within our country, just not with the PATRIOT act.
I'm all for taking action when it is done sensibly by intelligent people. But wasn't the main reason we failed to prevent 9/11 a lack of intelligence? And since then we've been running around like a WMD carrying pollo loco with its head cut off. This scares me.
I hope you aren't the one doing the negotiating or we are all fucked up!
What negotiating?
But your right. I would negotiate with extreme prejudice and tactical nukes. Because I love playing C&C. That orange glow makes me feel so warm and fuzzy. And it reminds me of Nevada.:)
as well as many other dictators in this world too that i'm ashamed we havn't dealt with yet
And so you should be. You want to police the globe with my tax money? Fine. Let's do it! No, seriously. Just fucking do it! It needs to be done and we're dumb enough to max out the US credit card to put an end to voilence everwhere on the planet by using our superior violence. Because we all know terrorism was far worse a problem than poverty, drugs and many other things we fight wars over.
We know because we saw 9/11 happen on TV, everyday, for years.
Do you actually want to replace the governments of Iran, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, and countless other potential threats to our nation? Do you have any clue how expensive that would be?
If you don't then shut the fuck up!
The only way to put an end to terrorism is through propoganda, rhetoric, covert ops, time and patience. We're fighting fundamental idealists like some of the christian right. We're not going to win their hearts and minds by becoming equal and opposite fundamental idealists. You got to convince them that terrorism is wrong by talking to them, not by killing their family members who sometimes were innocent to begin with. That only results in more terrorists.
But I know, I'm so unAmerican because I dissent and actually form my own opinions.
This sort of hacktivism is nothing more then the digital analogue of a violent protest.
So you're saying a social movement to block access to information is similar to a violent protest which consists of violence, often resulting in the injury of another flesh and blood citizen of this great nation.
It is analogies like this that got us to where we are here today.
I suggest if we feel so passionately about it why not treat these "criminals" like terrorists, deny them their right to a fair trial and torture them for a few years in some offshore prison facility.
More reason to build a free encrypted internet based voice network. With surcharges, taxes, roaming fees, etc. It will either provide some much needed competition for the telecoms or at least give people an alternatives.
Though personally I think it should be designed with async in mind since its much more efficient to communicate asynchronously, IMO. Kinda like instant voice messaging..
And if it were p2p/distributed it would be more difficult for a central authority to request the ability to tap the connections, demand taxes/fees, etc. But governments will get away with anything they want as long as their citizens let them.
get it while its hot, this deal won't last for long.
I'll pay when SCO can publish their proof in the form of source code publicly on the internet. Heh, or I'll most likely just steal from them until that block of code, which probably doesn't exist, was removed from the Linux kernel.
I just love stealing software, it reminds me of the good old days on Windows.
Its because, if you ask Sun, Solaris is better than Linux and will always be. It would be open source, too, if they were allowed to release it under an open source license. But unfortunately no matter how many times they pay for extra UNIX protection from SCO for their customers SCO keeps telling them they can't open source it. So I think if they port it to every platform available and pay SCO a few more million to continue its fight against Linux Sun will come out the victor. What do you think?:)
Honestly, though, its like our current Administration. They cannot admit that Iraq was a mistake or it will show up as a sign of weakness and they will be attacked and killed. Its a psychelogical perception thing, like most of capitalism. Once the competing technologies solidify there will be two factions: the believers and the thinkers.
Well, sometimes business looks positively scary from an open source perspective.
Maybe these perspectives can meet somewhere in the middle and learn how to make things more efficient and better for everyone, including the customers, employees and business owners.
Most open source advocates were customers, employees or businesses owners once upon a time. But now they are scary...
Are they scary because they have long hair and a beard? Or are they scary because its hard to find RedHat's Linux distribution? Or are they scary because RedCarpet no longer exists? Or are they scary because successful business models never produce bad software.
Or maybe its a good thing open source doesn't come with beef.
Are you saying you want to get paid what you think your code is worth or its overall economic value to society?
What if your software automated a fleet of robots that did ALL of the work that our society wanted. These robots made our fast food, built our roads, and even repaired themselves and went out to search for more resources to keep our products coming. How much would you like to be paid then?
Its impossible for 1 person to write production quality software like that on that scale. But it is possible for a bunch of programmers and engineers to design and implement a solution like that if they are more concerned with the end results than making a dollar.
If you had to choose between a world that was completely automated by machines but everyone made the same amount of money, lots of it, and a world where you were rich but everyone else was poor because they had to pay you for your wonderful software, which one would you choose?
Thanks for the link. I'm gonna go download SP2 from download.microsoft.com right now. I don't own a copy of XP, but someday I might pick one up. And maybe I'll download another copy for my friend, he uses XP.
You guys are right, this is much faster than P2P.;)
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But what advantages does it have over Perl, Perl 6 and Mono/C#? I already know Perl and Perl 6 should be easy to learn, but if it need more from a bytecode interpreted language I'll look at C#.
I also wanna learn OCAML and C/C++ and some assembly. So I don't see how I'm going to find time for Java in the near future unless Sun decides to GPL it to give me more incentive.
My favorites are wireless networks and webpads. These technologies will help us make our world portable and seamlessly integrate it with the rest of our lives, if we could ever come to the conclusion that people are more valueable as inventors, creators, writers, programmers, etc. Instead of the cheap labor robots we currently use them for. But I doubt we'll change anytime soon as long as so many of us think so highly of capitalism.
But at least we have the opportunity to start a business and make enough money to never have to work again AND have a huge pool of cheap maids to choose from to clean up after us, take our calls and keep our schedules clear so we have plenty of time to golf.
If I was exceptionally wealthy I'd sit at home (I'd own a home) and write code while tokin my Cannabis. But I'll probably never be wealthy cuz I don't want to use people to get there.
May I ask another, after this one?
Why do we complain about these things instead of doing something about it, like voting with our money?
I stopped flying after 9/11/2001 and I honestly don't think I will ever fly again. Not until the airlines can offer me a service that appeals to me. I would have let them all go out of business, which recent reports suggest is where they are headed anyway, even after our multi-billion dollar bailout.
To me this is like supporting terrorism, by having inherently insecure and obviously dangerous technology available to the public. I don't mind living dangerously, but I refuse to give up my freedom so some cowards can feel a little safer. Even on 9/12/2001 I did not feel threatened by the possibility of terrorist strikes via commercial airliners. I felt more threatened by my neighbors and how I knew they would be voting and thinking while watching the various "news" media they had access to. This news and how it affects us blissfully ignorant masses is the only thing that scares me.
Exactly.
This is why I recommend changing over to a police state. Because you can never be too safe.
I agree. I think people are the problem. So the solution is obvious.
And yes, I know I am evil.
You can either attack the symptoms or the problem.
And some people make a living off attacking the symptoms. Is that really fair to the victims?
Don't like it?
Boycott the airlines.
Make less money.
Pay less taxes.
Stop purchasing extra stuff.
Stop supporting a system that refuses to work for its people.
If enough people did this they would beg us to be more productive again and improve our economy. Because everyone in power would be losing their jobs too.
Okay... (and those are good points)
then why did we bomb Afghanistan if Iraq was the strategic sovereign country to invade? Why didn't we clear it with congress first? Why didn't we declare War? Why did CNN delete sections of documents showing Iraq was cooperating with weapons inspectors? How did Haliburton fit into all of this? Why didn't Bush believe in global warming? Why did he propose a constiutional amendment on religious grounds? etc. etc. etc.
My problem here is I simply don't trust this administration to do the right thing for the people. Perhaps in time we will learn that this was the right thing to do for the Iraqi people. Perhaps we will learn that it was not. But now we are stuck in a situation that is not resolved while our economy is in a rather significant recession, from my perspective. This might benefit us, but its also possible that it might not. I've also heard that Afghanistan is not much better now than before we bombed them. But what I hear is often different than the truth.
I'm just looking for the truth in all of this and hoping we didn't act without think.
Real - Software that has always (imo) had a horrible interface, rife with ads slapped anywhere they would fit, and a constant nagging to buy their pro version (ok Apple does this too with Quicktime, but you don't need that for mp3s). Add to that their file formats are constantly changing requiring upgrades, and their encoding has always been sub par.
Okay, I agree that Real wasn't the best company for the longest time. I outright hated their software and would have never recommended it. But recently I heard about their deal with Novell and other Linux distros and HelixPlayer, the open source version of RealPlayer. So I decided to check out their website as well as that helixcommunity thing. They look like they did a 180. Its like a completely different company that's interested in providing quality technology as well as some of the commercial media stuff, but no where near as bad as it was getting.
Go check out real.com and helixcommunity.org sometime. Its cool stuff. No really, its actually cool this time. I'm not lying.. Hey, stop throwing things at me..
There are those of us who see the world as it is though: depraved and getting worse everyday.
So, your perspective on life is through the eyes of a pessimist?
I just thought that looked like a cool link, sorry.
You can argue with me if you want, but you'll have to ignore the constantly rising murders, rapes, and other violent crimes, as well as the consequences of immoral acts such as the proliferation of STDs and teen pregnancy.
Oh, no, I won't argue with you.
I'll let the facts do it for me.
Murder: Peaked in 1980.
Rape: Peaked in 1992.
Other violent crimes: Peaked in 1993.
All have been on the decline ever since.
Just the other day I saw this immoral person handing out STDs and teen pregnancy on teh corner. I wanted to hurt them so bad. I was blinded by my hate. And for that I am sorry.
This is much bigger than Linux. Patents will affect all forms of open source software. Including BSD and parts of OSX.
:)
They can be fought in court, but that costs money. Some small businesses won't be able to afford to develope software and fight these legal battles.
So I recommend we give up now and turn ourselves in and hope they go easy on us.
I'm about as far left as you can get.
But I would have supported a war with Iraq if my government didn't lie to me about our reasons for going to war. I knew they were lying before the war and it has been proven that there was no real threat from WMD in Iraq. Though I thought going to war with afghanistan was a mistake, because we were taking action without having all the facts. Perhaps I was wrong on that one. Did bombing afghanistan put an end to terrorism? No? What about bombing Iraq? No? What about bombing Iran? Syria? Libya? North Korea? Saudi Arabia? Pakistan? We seem to be fighting terrorism the same way I fix problems on computers. Trial and error.
So I'm sorry, but if you want my vote don't lie to me. Want to overthrow a bad government? Make your case and state it clearly.
I would have probably suggest we used the money to improve our economy, school system, space program, or something more productive, but I would not have actively opposed the war. And I'm all for improving security at the airports. Just not with armed guards. I'm all for hunting down suspected terrorists within our country, just not with the PATRIOT act.
I'm all for taking action when it is done sensibly by intelligent people. But wasn't the main reason we failed to prevent 9/11 a lack of intelligence? And since then we've been running around like a WMD carrying pollo loco with its head cut off. This scares me.
I hope you aren't the one doing the negotiating or we are all fucked up!
:)
What negotiating?
But your right. I would negotiate with extreme prejudice and tactical nukes. Because I love playing C&C. That orange glow makes me feel so warm and fuzzy. And it reminds me of Nevada.
as well as many other dictators in this world too that i'm ashamed we havn't dealt with yet
And so you should be. You want to police the globe with my tax money? Fine. Let's do it! No, seriously. Just fucking do it! It needs to be done and we're dumb enough to max out the US credit card to put an end to voilence everwhere on the planet by using our superior violence. Because we all know terrorism was far worse a problem than poverty, drugs and many other things we fight wars over.
We know because we saw 9/11 happen on TV, everyday, for years.
Do you actually want to replace the governments of Iran, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, and countless other potential threats to our nation? Do you have any clue how expensive that would be?
If you don't then shut the fuck up!
The only way to put an end to terrorism is through propoganda, rhetoric, covert ops, time and patience. We're fighting fundamental idealists like some of the christian right. We're not going to win their hearts and minds by becoming equal and opposite fundamental idealists. You got to convince them that terrorism is wrong by talking to them, not by killing their family members who sometimes were innocent to begin with. That only results in more terrorists.
But I know, I'm so unAmerican because I dissent and actually form my own opinions.
after 9/11 his approval rating was huge and we had a very united country.
United because we were constantly reminded how unpatriotic it was to dissent. United because we were either with them or against them.
If we were lemmings we would have all jumped off the edge of the cliff that landed us in Iraq.
Oh wait..
Its like child molestation?
Or is it like violence?
These analogies are so typically American.
I think child molestation is like violence, terrorism, drug addiction and copyright violation. What do you think? Do you think?
This sort of hacktivism is nothing more then the digital analogue of a violent protest.
So you're saying a social movement to block access to information is similar to a violent protest which consists of violence, often resulting in the injury of another flesh and blood citizen of this great nation.
It is analogies like this that got us to where we are here today.
I suggest if we feel so passionately about it why not treat these "criminals" like terrorists, deny them their right to a fair trial and torture them for a few years in some offshore prison facility.
That seems to be the American way.
This is great!
More reason to build a free encrypted internet based voice network. With surcharges, taxes, roaming fees, etc. It will either provide some much needed competition for the telecoms or at least give people an alternatives.
Though personally I think it should be designed with async in mind since its much more efficient to communicate asynchronously, IMO. Kinda like instant voice messaging..
And if it were p2p/distributed it would be more difficult for a central authority to request the ability to tap the connections, demand taxes/fees, etc. But governments will get away with anything they want as long as their citizens let them.
I recently ran across an encrypted p2p network called MUTE. So if someone can mask out those bits around the serial number...
:)
Hey, I'm not recommending piracy or anything here. Just pointing out the possibilities.
get it while its hot, this deal won't last for long.
I'll pay when SCO can publish their proof in the form of source code publicly on the internet. Heh, or I'll most likely just steal from them until that block of code, which probably doesn't exist, was removed from the Linux kernel.
I just love stealing software, it reminds me of the good old days on Windows.
Its because, if you ask Sun, Solaris is better than Linux and will always be. It would be open source, too, if they were allowed to release it under an open source license. But unfortunately no matter how many times they pay for extra UNIX protection from SCO for their customers SCO keeps telling them they can't open source it. So I think if they port it to every platform available and pay SCO a few more million to continue its fight against Linux Sun will come out the victor. What do you think? :)
Honestly, though, its like our current Administration. They cannot admit that Iraq was a mistake or it will show up as a sign of weakness and they will be attacked and killed. Its a psychelogical perception thing, like most of capitalism. Once the competing technologies solidify there will be two factions: the believers and the thinkers.
Well, sometimes business looks positively scary from an open source perspective.
Maybe these perspectives can meet somewhere in the middle and learn how to make things more efficient and better for everyone, including the customers, employees and business owners.
Most open source advocates were customers, employees or businesses owners once upon a time. But now they are scary...
Are they scary because they have long hair and a beard? Or are they scary because its hard to find RedHat's Linux distribution? Or are they scary because RedCarpet no longer exists? Or are they scary because successful business models never produce bad software.
Or maybe its a good thing open source doesn't come with beef.
Let me get this straight..
Are you saying you want to get paid what you think your code is worth or its overall economic value to society?
What if your software automated a fleet of robots that did ALL of the work that our society wanted. These robots made our fast food, built our roads, and even repaired themselves and went out to search for more resources to keep our products coming. How much would you like to be paid then?
Its impossible for 1 person to write production quality software like that on that scale. But it is possible for a bunch of programmers and engineers to design and implement a solution like that if they are more concerned with the end results than making a dollar.
If you had to choose between a world that was completely automated by machines but everyone made the same amount of money, lots of it, and a world where you were rich but everyone else was poor because they had to pay you for your wonderful software, which one would you choose?
Thanks for the link. I'm gonna go download SP2 from download.microsoft.com right now. I don't own a copy of XP, but someday I might pick one up. And maybe I'll download another copy for my friend, he uses XP.
;)
You guys are right, this is much faster than P2P.
Well, its pretty safe to assume that everything is illegal until you talk to a lawyer. And even that might be illegal, so be careful.