Gee, that's awefully convenient. Want proof that capitalism has always and will always be inefficient? Add up how much time and money it costs you to manage money in your life. Now do that for every working American, every corporation, the government, etc. That doesn't include all the time and money it costs us to market/advertise, research demographics, etc. Capitalism is the reason we work 8 hours a day. But we always said we needed more jobs. Its far better to have everyone work than letting about half the population rest and play, because that just wouldn't be fair.
So what you are saying is you are willing to trade my essential liberty for your temporary security because you're scared of a few DoS attacks and some spam. I got some news for ya. Just because the US outlaws it doesn't keep it from coming to your front door. The internet, y'know that information superhighway they keep talking about, is a global information network. Do you want the US to police the globe? Force everyone to get an ID and sign up with some large ISP... And you wonder why they hate us? Yes, you are talking about initiating an attack. In the last few years America has initiated several attacks, but why stop now?
They want to spam you because on average we are stupid animals, willing to spend money on spam advertisements. They want to DoS you either because they are a child or they feel passionate enough to execute such an attack, possibly because you provoked it. Children need parents to help protect us and keep us safe from their relentless attacks. But the few hackers that are left over are probably just fucking with organizations like ICANN who deserve what they get. I never had a problem getting to any websites, but ICANN sure got a lot more bad PR, which was probably the hacker's intention.
People should be free to do what they want, and providing them anonymity is the first step in securing that freedom. The alternative will eventually become a police state because your concept of freedom is not freedom. Freedom is the ability to do whatever you want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. In fact the dictionary version of freedom is far less strict than even my own:
1. state: The condition of being free. The power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints.
2. state: Immunity from an obligation or duty.
Freedom means I have the ability to do whatever I want, period. That does not limit me from hurting others or myself. The American version of freedom is one in which we all get along without hurting eachother and allow eachother to live however we want in peace. You have no right to limit my freedom to satisfy your temporary fear of technology. Don't worry, you'll get over it.
You also don't have the freedom to tell me what I can and cannot use, such as software, drugs, etc. You only have the right to inform me to help me make the right choices. However, America has not been based on freedom in over a hundred years. We just like to say its free because we haven't yet eliminated anonymity and free choice.
I don't know anything about licoris, but Lindows shouldn't be too difficult to install extra software on. I believe its all point and click through their website. By the time enough users get these that might complain all their troubles will be solved by upgrades, patches, new releases and automate install scripts that are easy to use. If a novice can type in lindows.com, click a couple links and download software, then what's going to stop us? What happens when we make it self updating so novices never have to touch their systems again? They will just go to the programs menu to see all the new free applications and games downloaded the night before. Automation is simple when you know what you're doing. And its a good thing most linux developers do.
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Sun seems to enjoy playing both sides of this war, giving and helping when necessary to maintain community support while playing their cards with the big companies instead of turning their backs on them like the community would have them do. Sun is a good company overall, but I sure wouldn't want to work there again. They are rather insignificant these days, now that openoffice is GPL. If they get in bed with OSS before its too late they might stick around long enough to make some great change in the industry, assuming marketting and morons don't flood them out.
Capitalism is for the weak. If you need money to survive YOU SUCK!
Defending American from what? All the brown people? This is insanity. We NEED to take better care of ourselves. I'd rather be xenophobic than supernational militeristic.
Yes, but wouldn't it be cool to monitor and record the activity in different parts of the brain as you limit them to either the sound or the video of the film. You may be able to determine if certain aspects of the film affect long-term memory or perhaps stimulate them in some way. Monitor other aspect of the body as well, heart rate, etc. With all of this data it seems like to me you could get a pretty close estimate of what they are feeling. Maybe not their exact thoughts, but perhaps if it is a pleasant childhood memory they may be associating with, etc. I believe that is the point of this research. And I like it.:) I never knew marketting could be so sadisticly. *evil grin*
I don't see how exactly it is illegal to share ogg or mp3 compressed files for no profit over a P2P. If you don't make any money, and you don't share a full quality wav rip, how is that injuring the music industry? MP3.com was making a profit, or something, I think. Your client would have borrowed the product from someone else if he didn't get it from you. Harddrives last only about 3 years, so you might even be able to consider it temporary storage.
I don't care what you do, but, say it with me, I'm not a lawyer.
Sorry about the tone of my comment, I was venting off stress, as I so often do on/.:) Nothing personal, sir.
I think work should prepare you for work. School rarely teaches anything that relates to one's daily job, at least in my experience. It prepares you to keep a schedule and manage money, if that's what you mean. Most people don't want to think? I think old people don't want to think. I bet most children love to learn, as long as we make it entertaining and fun for them. But how many teachers try to be creative and entertaining, if they don't want to think? Was it John Lenon who said, "All you need is love, love, love is all you need."?
Okay, that is possible. I am willing to accept that people could be morons and take home 15 gallons of milk and a dozen loaves of bread, knowing there's no possible way they could consume that much.
But with an educated population that doesn't act like animals, it is possible to automate the production of all the goods that are wanted as well as the distribution of all the things regularly consumed. The hardest part is to get everyone to agree that they need to contribute to make this system work. But I think you will find there are many people who want to learn and contribute. As long as there is no class system. As long as there is no leader. And the social values are things like morals, ethics, freedom and education. It can work. What happens if you use our media system to promote education, technology/science and average everyday enjoyment instead of manipulative advertisements for useless products and the mind numbing shows to sell them?
Maybe you've just been watching too much TV. Our economy is based almost entirely off our perception of the economy. We invest and give and feel like things are good, things are good, evenone gets a somewhat decent job, and we have time to work on environmental and social problems. But when we're constantly under attack, hording and guarding our valuable posessions, we find less hand outs or opportunity, less people willing to share and give. And nothing but bad news.
How many of your friends lost their job last year? Its a thin line, but it is one we choose.
What good reason do we have to keep the status quo? School is unpleasant, education is poor, scare tactics used by the government should be getting old by now. We know more than enough about Iraq and the middle east. But we need to learn more about ourselves. Why are snipers shooting people? What about kids killing kids in school? At least there isn't as much racial violence as there once was, but the current environment certainly doesn't promote our well being. Perhaps our economy will improve through the trade of guns and drugs, but do you really want that on your hands? You want your children to grow up learning that our way of life is to start wars and sell guns and control people with drugs and media so we can keep them enslaved, hungry for sugar and money? What kind of life is that? They deserve better! And GOD FUCKING DAMN IT! We have the technology to do better!
Yeah I know what you think. You think school is and should be designed to prepare people for work. I think school should be designed to teach people how to think. How many people get a degree and still have no clue what they want to do for a career? Its a lot. And why do we still insist on calling it a career if we're really just preparing them for something we want them to be? They're a worker, they're a slave. They don't have a choice to be a musician or game programmer because that would be unfair to you. I'm sorry you feel that way, I'm sorry you're so short sighted that you think people should work their entire lives in this system to support you. I don't want people to support me. I want all these CPUs and electric motors and software to suport me. I want my family to be well educated. I want them to have the oportunity to be more than what society expects of them. I don't want them to pay to be trained how to work at Taco Bell. Vote no on Capitalism.:)
I would not be miserable teaching. I would be miserable making a teacher's salery or dealing with economics while I'm trying to focus on education and information related to my field of study. I've said it a million times, but no one seems to hear me. Capitalism and our overrated value of money is what is causing all these problems. If we simply cared about the work, making the programs, making the products, instead of caring more about money than anything... maybe we wouldn't notice that Joe Bob grabbed an extra turkey for Thanksgiving, while he hacked up a popular graphics driver or whatever. Its not like we don't have enough for everyone. Everyone has enough right now, they just can't afford to keep it. And so I can't afford to give my time away for free and teach you how to use computers. Vote no on Capitalism!
It would be as if Microsoft released a version of Win95 with all the patches to allow it to use USB, DVDs, better PnP, firewire, etc. And allowed you to download it for free. Something they will NEVER do because it costs them money, and they'd rather you upgraded to XP. Linux admins may recommend an upgrade (for obvious reasons), but they will never stop supporting an old release, specially on a critical system. However, being a Sr. Unix Admin, I would like to add that it is rather trivial to replicate the functionality of any mission critical box using open source software with an updated system. I have found the most difficult software to manage is always proprietary closed source software, usually with obscure copy protection measures implemented to make our jobs that much easier. And now DRM? Are you sure you want to pay me to work through copyright and DRM issues before I even touch your mission critical software? That would be why I only do unix. Time is worth more than money.
A pain to make sure everything works. But one of the main pricipals behind unix is once it is working you should be able to leave it alone and check back for maintenance once or twice a year.
But this is business as usual. In a capitalist society you have to SELL products to make MONEY. Would you rather those poor lawyers and monopolistic corps starve? We need more jobs now than ever. I for one think this kind of legal action is excellent for our economy and applaud Microsoft for its contribution to American culture. Just think how rich we'd be if everyone Sued you for buying their products or not buying enough of them. We could all be lawyers and CEOs.
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Interesting. I was considerring upgrading one of my systems, but I may just hold out and wait for that PPC 970 chip. Bet it'll render MPEG-4 as good as any AMD, and I mostly like IBM these days.
Really? I'm interested to know which research projects you are talking about. I don't know anything about how much money is being given to research grants. I'm curious to know what research still requires use of zero G and what their budget is like because I bet there just isn't the budget backing the research that could use this equipment. It seems awefully wasteful to me to build something like this and then abandon it with the excuse that there's no use for it. Or are you saying we already know everything there is to know about zero G and space?
What about redesigning the shuttle to launch from a maglev accelerated platform, which might be able to lift it to LEO, then fire internal engines or external rockets to leave the atmosphere. Electricity sure is cheap these days.
I left the meeting thinking that the ISS should never have been built, and this comes from somebody who is enthralled about space exploration.
The same could be said about almost everything built for the purpose of making money. If we took money out of the picture the ISS would still be a valuable and useful tool for research, etc. But nobody with the brains to do the research has the money to use the station. Why don't we just paint a gigantic corporate logo on the side of every expensive thing we build: on the side of a Rolls, your house, any large buildings, etc.
But what has me so dumbfounded is the city bus. Who's idea was it to let someone advertise on the side of the public bus? And why didn't they make those commercial corps pay for the bus system completely, so the public could ride for free? I would personally rather see graffiti scrawled over the side of a bus than an advertisement for citibank.
It would be more effective, but who wants to give you that much bandwidth? Nobody is going to let you upload video from your phone or your home as long as there's money to be made selling content and advertising to you in the form of entertainment.
That's like saying Linux isn't going to sustain itself. What's its long-term strategy to support its developement cost? The long-term strategy is to provide FREE wireless internet access. The long-term strategy is to provide FREE quality software. Only freaks and capitalists care about the long-term strategy you have in mind, ie. money. The rest of us just want it to work.
Yeah, but I know an alcoholic CCIE. Hell, I'm a pothead Sr. Unix Admin myself. Drugs are not the problem, the government is. And capitalism, but that can be controlled.
You know, if you take money out of the picture it only takes time and energy and a bunch of smart people. Doesn't sound very expensive to me. True I am a zealot, but there's plenty of evidence to support the assumption that government is inherently inefficient. Look at our school system. It wasn't a bureaucrat that wrote TCP/IP, it was those smart people. The same smart people we are smotherring with our school system and economic system which no longer has high paying tech jobs available. We have more than enough smart people, but nobody is willing to give them the proper environment to work and make new things that we all take for granted and give our government credit for. Yeah, our system sucks pretty bad.
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Gee, that's awefully convenient. Want proof that capitalism has always and will always be inefficient? Add up how much time and money it costs you to manage money in your life. Now do that for every working American, every corporation, the government, etc. That doesn't include all the time and money it costs us to market/advertise, research demographics, etc. Capitalism is the reason we work 8 hours a day. But we always said we needed more jobs. Its far better to have everyone work than letting about half the population rest and play, because that just wouldn't be fair.
So what you are saying is you are willing to trade my essential liberty for your temporary security because you're scared of a few DoS attacks and some spam. I got some news for ya. Just because the US outlaws it doesn't keep it from coming to your front door. The internet, y'know that information superhighway they keep talking about, is a global information network. Do you want the US to police the globe? Force everyone to get an ID and sign up with some large ISP... And you wonder why they hate us? Yes, you are talking about initiating an attack. In the last few years America has initiated several attacks, but why stop now?
They want to spam you because on average we are stupid animals, willing to spend money on spam advertisements. They want to DoS you either because they are a child or they feel passionate enough to execute such an attack, possibly because you provoked it. Children need parents to help protect us and keep us safe from their relentless attacks. But the few hackers that are left over are probably just fucking with organizations like ICANN who deserve what they get. I never had a problem getting to any websites, but ICANN sure got a lot more bad PR, which was probably the hacker's intention.
People should be free to do what they want, and providing them anonymity is the first step in securing that freedom. The alternative will eventually become a police state because your concept of freedom is not freedom. Freedom is the ability to do whatever you want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. In fact the dictionary version of freedom is far less strict than even my own:
1. state: The condition of being free. The power to act or speak or think without externally imposed restraints.
2. state: Immunity from an obligation or duty.
Freedom means I have the ability to do whatever I want, period. That does not limit me from hurting others or myself. The American version of freedom is one in which we all get along without hurting eachother and allow eachother to live however we want in peace. You have no right to limit my freedom to satisfy your temporary fear of technology. Don't worry, you'll get over it.
You also don't have the freedom to tell me what I can and cannot use, such as software, drugs, etc. You only have the right to inform me to help me make the right choices. However, America has not been based on freedom in over a hundred years. We just like to say its free because we haven't yet eliminated anonymity and free choice.
I don't know anything about licoris, but Lindows shouldn't be too difficult to install extra software on. I believe its all point and click through their website. By the time enough users get these that might complain all their troubles will be solved by upgrades, patches, new releases and automate install scripts that are easy to use. If a novice can type in lindows.com, click a couple links and download software, then what's going to stop us? What happens when we make it self updating so novices never have to touch their systems again? They will just go to the programs menu to see all the new free applications and games downloaded the night before. Automation is simple when you know what you're doing. And its a good thing most linux developers do.
Sun seems to enjoy playing both sides of this war, giving and helping when necessary to maintain community support while playing their cards with the big companies instead of turning their backs on them like the community would have them do. Sun is a good company overall, but I sure wouldn't want to work there again. They are rather insignificant these days, now that openoffice is GPL. If they get in bed with OSS before its too late they might stick around long enough to make some great change in the industry, assuming marketting and morons don't flood them out.
Capitalism is for the weak. If you need money to survive YOU SUCK!
Defending American from what? All the brown people? This is insanity. We NEED to take better care of ourselves. I'd rather be xenophobic than supernational militeristic.
Malpractice? Shouldn't it be considerred malpractice to write insecure software to begin with? How can you sell an incomplete prepackaged product?
Yes, but wouldn't it be cool to monitor and record the activity in different parts of the brain as you limit them to either the sound or the video of the film. You may be able to determine if certain aspects of the film affect long-term memory or perhaps stimulate them in some way. Monitor other aspect of the body as well, heart rate, etc. With all of this data it seems like to me you could get a pretty close estimate of what they are feeling. Maybe not their exact thoughts, but perhaps if it is a pleasant childhood memory they may be associating with, etc. I believe that is the point of this research. And I like it. :) I never knew marketting could be so sadisticly. *evil grin*
I don't see how exactly it is illegal to share ogg or mp3 compressed files for no profit over a P2P. If you don't make any money, and you don't share a full quality wav rip, how is that injuring the music industry? MP3.com was making a profit, or something, I think. Your client would have borrowed the product from someone else if he didn't get it from you. Harddrives last only about 3 years, so you might even be able to consider it temporary storage.
I don't care what you do, but, say it with me, I'm not a lawyer.
Sorry about the tone of my comment, I was venting off stress, as I so often do on /. :) Nothing personal, sir.
I think work should prepare you for work. School rarely teaches anything that relates to one's daily job, at least in my experience. It prepares you to keep a schedule and manage money, if that's what you mean. Most people don't want to think? I think old people don't want to think. I bet most children love to learn, as long as we make it entertaining and fun for them. But how many teachers try to be creative and entertaining, if they don't want to think? Was it John Lenon who said, "All you need is love, love, love is all you need."?
Okay, that is possible. I am willing to accept that people could be morons and take home 15 gallons of milk and a dozen loaves of bread, knowing there's no possible way they could consume that much.
But with an educated population that doesn't act like animals, it is possible to automate the production of all the goods that are wanted as well as the distribution of all the things regularly consumed. The hardest part is to get everyone to agree that they need to contribute to make this system work. But I think you will find there are many people who want to learn and contribute. As long as there is no class system. As long as there is no leader. And the social values are things like morals, ethics, freedom and education. It can work. What happens if you use our media system to promote education, technology/science and average everyday enjoyment instead of manipulative advertisements for useless products and the mind numbing shows to sell them?
Maybe you've just been watching too much TV. Our economy is based almost entirely off our perception of the economy. We invest and give and feel like things are good, things are good, evenone gets a somewhat decent job, and we have time to work on environmental and social problems. But when we're constantly under attack, hording and guarding our valuable posessions, we find less hand outs or opportunity, less people willing to share and give. And nothing but bad news.
How many of your friends lost their job last year? Its a thin line, but it is one we choose.
What good reason do we have to keep the status quo? School is unpleasant, education is poor, scare tactics used by the government should be getting old by now. We know more than enough about Iraq and the middle east. But we need to learn more about ourselves. Why are snipers shooting people? What about kids killing kids in school? At least there isn't as much racial violence as there once was, but the current environment certainly doesn't promote our well being. Perhaps our economy will improve through the trade of guns and drugs, but do you really want that on your hands? You want your children to grow up learning that our way of life is to start wars and sell guns and control people with drugs and media so we can keep them enslaved, hungry for sugar and money? What kind of life is that? They deserve better! And GOD FUCKING DAMN IT! We have the technology to do better!
Yeah I know what you think. You think school is and should be designed to prepare people for work. I think school should be designed to teach people how to think. How many people get a degree and still have no clue what they want to do for a career? Its a lot. And why do we still insist on calling it a career if we're really just preparing them for something we want them to be? They're a worker, they're a slave. They don't have a choice to be a musician or game programmer because that would be unfair to you. I'm sorry you feel that way, I'm sorry you're so short sighted that you think people should work their entire lives in this system to support you. I don't want people to support me. I want all these CPUs and electric motors and software to suport me. I want my family to be well educated. I want them to have the oportunity to be more than what society expects of them. I don't want them to pay to be trained how to work at Taco Bell. Vote no on Capitalism. :)
I would not be miserable teaching. I would be miserable making a teacher's salery or dealing with economics while I'm trying to focus on education and information related to my field of study. I've said it a million times, but no one seems to hear me. Capitalism and our overrated value of money is what is causing all these problems. If we simply cared about the work, making the programs, making the products, instead of caring more about money than anything... maybe we wouldn't notice that Joe Bob grabbed an extra turkey for Thanksgiving, while he hacked up a popular graphics driver or whatever. Its not like we don't have enough for everyone. Everyone has enough right now, they just can't afford to keep it. And so I can't afford to give my time away for free and teach you how to use computers. Vote no on Capitalism!
It would be as if Microsoft released a version of Win95 with all the patches to allow it to use USB, DVDs, better PnP, firewire, etc. And allowed you to download it for free. Something they will NEVER do because it costs them money, and they'd rather you upgraded to XP. Linux admins may recommend an upgrade (for obvious reasons), but they will never stop supporting an old release, specially on a critical system. However, being a Sr. Unix Admin, I would like to add that it is rather trivial to replicate the functionality of any mission critical box using open source software with an updated system. I have found the most difficult software to manage is always proprietary closed source software, usually with obscure copy protection measures implemented to make our jobs that much easier. And now DRM? Are you sure you want to pay me to work through copyright and DRM issues before I even touch your mission critical software? That would be why I only do unix. Time is worth more than money.
A pain to make sure everything works. But one of the main pricipals behind unix is once it is working you should be able to leave it alone and check back for maintenance once or twice a year.
My Dad wears glasses. He was hit with a baseball bat once. It broke his glasses and made him really mad.
But this is business as usual. In a capitalist society you have to SELL products to make MONEY. Would you rather those poor lawyers and monopolistic corps starve? We need more jobs now than ever. I for one think this kind of legal action is excellent for our economy and applaud Microsoft for its contribution to American culture. Just think how rich we'd be if everyone Sued you for buying their products or not buying enough of them. We could all be lawyers and CEOs.
Interesting. I was considerring upgrading one of my systems, but I may just hold out and wait for that PPC 970 chip. Bet it'll render MPEG-4 as good as any AMD, and I mostly like IBM these days.
Really? I'm interested to know which research projects you are talking about. I don't know anything about how much money is being given to research grants. I'm curious to know what research still requires use of zero G and what their budget is like because I bet there just isn't the budget backing the research that could use this equipment. It seems awefully wasteful to me to build something like this and then abandon it with the excuse that there's no use for it. Or are you saying we already know everything there is to know about zero G and space?
What about redesigning the shuttle to launch from a maglev accelerated platform, which might be able to lift it to LEO, then fire internal engines or external rockets to leave the atmosphere. Electricity sure is cheap these days.
I left the meeting thinking that the ISS should never have been built, and this comes from somebody who is enthralled about space exploration.
The same could be said about almost everything built for the purpose of making money. If we took money out of the picture the ISS would still be a valuable and useful tool for research, etc. But nobody with the brains to do the research has the money to use the station. Why don't we just paint a gigantic corporate logo on the side of every expensive thing we build: on the side of a Rolls, your house, any large buildings, etc.
But what has me so dumbfounded is the city bus. Who's idea was it to let someone advertise on the side of the public bus? And why didn't they make those commercial corps pay for the bus system completely, so the public could ride for free? I would personally rather see graffiti scrawled over the side of a bus than an advertisement for citibank.
It would be more effective, but who wants to give you that much bandwidth? Nobody is going to let you upload video from your phone or your home as long as there's money to be made selling content and advertising to you in the form of entertainment.
That's like saying Linux isn't going to sustain itself. What's its long-term strategy to support its developement cost? The long-term strategy is to provide FREE wireless internet access. The long-term strategy is to provide FREE quality software. Only freaks and capitalists care about the long-term strategy you have in mind, ie. money. The rest of us just want it to work.
Wow, that's nice. Almost like
use CGI;
my $webpage = new CGI;
$webpage->param('objects','are cool');
If only perl scripts could be compiled down to a staticly linked binary.
Yeah, but I know an alcoholic CCIE. Hell, I'm a pothead Sr. Unix Admin myself. Drugs are not the problem, the government is. And capitalism, but that can be controlled.
You know, if you take money out of the picture it only takes time and energy and a bunch of smart people. Doesn't sound very expensive to me. True I am a zealot, but there's plenty of evidence to support the assumption that government is inherently inefficient. Look at our school system. It wasn't a bureaucrat that wrote TCP/IP, it was those smart people. The same smart people we are smotherring with our school system and economic system which no longer has high paying tech jobs available. We have more than enough smart people, but nobody is willing to give them the proper environment to work and make new things that we all take for granted and give our government credit for. Yeah, our system sucks pretty bad.