Hi,
The Trinity test had already been carried out, the second bomb wasn't a test they knew it would work, the test for the implosion bomb had already taken place in what is now White Sands missile range.
Thank you,
please drive through.
Are you perhaps forgetting that the face of war at that time had changed? Bombing cities was commonplace and necessary as the enemy (in Europe and Japan) had their industry in heavily populated areas. In order to stop or slow down your enemies ability to make war, you need to reduce their industry, this is the point of strategic bombing in that era. There were no Laser guided munitions, there were no GPS devices, bombs were inaccurate, and bombing resulted in many civilian casualties at the time, it wasn't anything new for the new age of war, so to apply the modern day morality to that era is pure hypocritical hindsight. Additionally, while it is a soldiers job to fight, and die for his country in war, can the person manufacturing the weapons and ammunition really be considered a non-combatant? Germany certainly did not consider the civilian crews of transports bringing supplies from the US and Canada to Britain to be non-combatants, Nor did the US submarine crews in world war II consider the civilian crews on cargo ships taking materials to Japan to be non-combatants either. Perhaps you were referring to the civilians (Yes, women and shildren) in Japan that were being trained to resist and kill the American troops when they come ashore in an invasion? Guess what, those aren't civilians either, they were training to become combatants in the upcoming invasion.
Every physicist knew with 100% certainty that the "gun" design would work, it did not need to be tested.
The only design no one was sure that they could make work was the implosion method, this is why the trinity test took place.
Dropping the bombs was not a test of the gun design, everyone knew it would work, nor was it a test of the implosion design, that had already been tested.
I wouldnt call them "Well aware" of the capabilities of atomic weapons though, both the Manhattan project AND the Japanese project were all conducted under the strictest of secrecy, almost NO ONE really knew the capabilities of the weapons, even the pilots that dropped the bombs were in shock, and if the documentaries have it at all correct, it would appear that the Japanese navy were completely running the show for their own project on their own with very little interaction from the government or the other services, so its not unreasonable that the civillian government (the ones that actually made the decision to surrender eventually, not the military) had no idea at all of the power of these weapons. Ive actually read reports that Tokyo was under the impression it was a natural disaster (earthquake or somesuch) for almost a day and a half afterwards.
no matter how cruel they were, they sure were no Soviets
Yea...
You havnt heard of the Rape of Nanking? or Perhaps Unit 731?
I strongly suggest reading up on even those 2 topics before deciding they were less cruel than the soviets.
Because the Japanese government didnt actually believe it was the Americans that did it. Which is reasonable really, considering the scale of devastation, something like that could only have been perpetrated by a thousand bombers or more, yet there had been no raid, so the idea 1 bomber and 1 bomb could have done something like this was pretty hard to swallow.
Those apps that are "Hamstrung" usually can be run from a normal user account, but you need to do a little investigative work first.
Find out what file/folders the program needs to access (usually a file in system32 will be the culprit) then switch to admin, give the user account R/W permission to that file and only that file and it will run fine from the restricted account without giving the user "power user" or local admin priveledges.
I suppose you arent to blame for the current administration either?
Its nice to have such a clear moral compass when you can spew venom at others anonymously, but I suspect it would cause quite a bit of second thought if we were able to examine your life for consistancy when you post such self rightous rhetoric.
Diffrence being, this tech is for an anti-tank minefield.
Im sure it can be applied to antipersonnel mines, but Im pretty sure this whole tech was conceived with the idea of NOT deploying antipersonnel mines.
Most Major cellphone providers in Canada have no such "free" long distance calling, and in many cases still charge $0.15 - $0.25 per minnute for long distance.
Not to mention all cellphone plans have a limit of minutes per month on your plan, then overages will own you.
So no, its not even close to useless.
It is?
Havnt they been targetting very small things for years with simple systems for laser guided bombs and hellfire missiles for the entire flight time of the weapon?
And as for the idea of streaming smoke or particles, it would have to last for many miles before being through the complete boost phase of the missile, and out of range, as it is, missiles re pretty packed, where are you finding room to add this item? not to mention that you would have to be sure the smoke wouldnt be outright burned off by the power of the laser itself.
Applying a mirrored surface wont work either, we arent talking about going to home depot and buying a can of silver paint, it would require such a high degree of polish that only certain materials can be used, and glass isnt something you should be jacketing your missiles with, also consider that any mirror covering you got to near flawlessness would need to be kept in a very clean space, possibly a vaccum or dust and other impurities would settle on it, and if a laser was to flash heat one of these covering impurities, you would cause a flaw in the covering, and the missile is compromised. Not to mention the costs of covering your entire arsenal in a perfect mirror then having all of your launch silo's converted to handle keeping these beasts clean.
none of these countermeasures will work, simply put, the beam is far too potent, we are talking about a beam that will burn through a couple of inches of titanium in under 2 seconds
Maybe Europe alone can build a match for the F-22, in a 10-15 years, but by then the USA will have something better.
You arent too familiar with the Eurofighter are you? Its performance is a match in many ways for the required design specs for the F-22. Europe isnt anything close to 10-15 years away, in fact, Eurofighter Typhoon has been delivered to at least 4 air forces. Guess what? The US because of delays has NOTHING as good as Eurofighter in its inventory since the F-22 still hasnt been delivered.
So lets see, you think (incorrectly) that Europe would need 10-15 years to catch up with US fighter technology, and by then the next generation of US fighters would be available anyhow? You do know that the current cycle of aircraft has been in use since the 60-70ss right? thats a delivery cycle of 30 years being conservative, not 10 or 15.
Sir, you severely underestimate the ecolomy and ability of the EU.
You incorectly assume that US movies were the only thing traded on that site. Among others, copyrighted works from Japan were as well. SuprNova had a whole host of things being shared, the movies were merely one small part. European TV shows were another that were being traded.
And you incorrectly assume that there were actual copyrighted materials on that site.
Read up on bittorrent and how it works, you may want to revise your statement.
So how come the "amazingly" cheap reusable shuttles stay grounded while the Russians with probably 1/10 of a budget of NASA can sent people to ISS cheaper and on schedule?
They arent grounded because of costs, they are grounded because they are finding problems that are making them hold the flights and err on the side of caution.
If you think the Russians are getting things up and in place "on time" maybe you should look again at their launch schedule, they couldnt even get their first contribution to the ISS up and in place on time, and things havnt gotten any better since.
As a bare minimum, it includes an individual's right to be adequately notified of charges or proceedings involving him, and the opportunity to be heard at these proceedings.
This was done, in this case, when they raided him they would have told him why the equipment was being seized, and the investigation with him as the subject.
His opportunity would come later to be heard in trial.
You dont "Notify" people of raids, that would completely defeat the purpose since you would be allowing them time to destroy evidence.
You're right. I air-to-surface torpedos are kind of over these days. It's all about air to surface missles now.
Not really, only against surface ships they are over, against subs they are still the preferred method of engagement. Aircraft move faster than subs, have many ways to detect said subs, can drop the torpedo basically on their heads giving little to no reaction time, and can prosecute the sub with no fear of retaliation at all
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Hey! Congrats on all of your wonderful NROTC experence. I'm currently active duty navy ON subs. Yeh... I think I know what I'm talking about...
Active duty ON subs doesnt qualify you to know anything about the sonar or weapons systems if you are say...a cook.
I note you left out what position you currently enjoy serving as, but now that I pointed that out, Im certain you will turn out to be the chief officer of sonar operations or somesuch.
Read your laws, its illegal to have an obscured or partially obscured license plate, weather its intentional (plastic covers etc) or unintentional (excessive mud/snow) they can easily pull you over and ticket you for it.
Yes, and a missile with little pyramids all over the outside of it is very aerodynamic and highly stable in flight too......
Part of the research to see if this is a viable technology and worth developing is to brainstorm any kinds of countermeasure that can be used against it, "Will it work? Is it even partly effective? How can we get around it?"
Um,
You DO know that the "space pen" is a myth right?
http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
So please, stop quoting every peice of spam that floats into your mailbox.
Unless you really did know this and are really bad at math, I mean 400 pens at $2.95 each certainly isnt "Millions"
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Hi, The Trinity test had already been carried out, the second bomb wasn't a test they knew it would work, the test for the implosion bomb had already taken place in what is now White Sands missile range. Thank you, please drive through.
Are you perhaps forgetting that the face of war at that time had changed?
Bombing cities was commonplace and necessary as the enemy (in Europe and Japan) had their industry in heavily populated areas. In order to stop or slow down your enemies ability to make war, you need to reduce their industry, this is the point of strategic bombing in that era. There were no Laser guided munitions, there were no GPS devices, bombs were inaccurate, and bombing resulted in many civilian casualties at the time, it wasn't anything new for the new age of war, so to apply the modern day morality to that era is pure hypocritical hindsight.
Additionally, while it is a soldiers job to fight, and die for his country in war, can the person manufacturing the weapons and ammunition really be considered a non-combatant? Germany certainly did not consider the civilian crews of transports bringing supplies from the US and Canada to Britain to be non-combatants, Nor did the US submarine crews in world war II consider the civilian crews on cargo ships taking materials to Japan to be non-combatants either.
Perhaps you were referring to the civilians (Yes, women and shildren) in Japan that were being trained to resist and kill the American troops when they come ashore in an invasion? Guess what, those aren't civilians either, they were training to become combatants in the upcoming invasion.
Every physicist knew with 100% certainty that the "gun" design would work, it did not need to be tested. The only design no one was sure that they could make work was the implosion method, this is why the trinity test took place. Dropping the bombs was not a test of the gun design, everyone knew it would work, nor was it a test of the implosion design, that had already been tested.
Ive seen the CBC documentary, its pretty good.
I wouldnt call them "Well aware" of the capabilities of atomic weapons though, both the Manhattan project AND the Japanese project were all conducted under the strictest of secrecy, almost NO ONE really knew the capabilities of the weapons, even the pilots that dropped the bombs were in shock, and if the documentaries have it at all correct, it would appear that the Japanese navy were completely running the show for their own project on their own with very little interaction from the government or the other services, so its not unreasonable that the civillian government (the ones that actually made the decision to surrender eventually, not the military) had no idea at all of the power of these weapons. Ive actually read reports that Tokyo was under the impression it was a natural disaster (earthquake or somesuch) for almost a day and a half afterwards.
Yea... You havnt heard of the Rape of Nanking? or Perhaps Unit 731? I strongly suggest reading up on even those 2 topics before deciding they were less cruel than the soviets.
Because the Japanese government didnt actually believe it was the Americans that did it.
Which is reasonable really, considering the scale of devastation, something like that could only have been perpetrated by a thousand bombers or more, yet there had been no raid, so the idea 1 bomber and 1 bomb could have done something like this was pretty hard to swallow.
But these new diamonds arent CZ, they are chemically identical to diamonds in every way
Those apps that are "Hamstrung" usually can be run from a normal user account, but you need to do a little investigative work first. Find out what file/folders the program needs to access (usually a file in system32 will be the culprit) then switch to admin, give the user account R/W permission to that file and only that file and it will run fine from the restricted account without giving the user "power user" or local admin priveledges.
I suppose you arent to blame for the current administration either? Its nice to have such a clear moral compass when you can spew venom at others anonymously, but I suspect it would cause quite a bit of second thought if we were able to examine your life for consistancy when you post such self rightous rhetoric.
Diffrence being, this tech is for an anti-tank minefield. Im sure it can be applied to antipersonnel mines, but Im pretty sure this whole tech was conceived with the idea of NOT deploying antipersonnel mines.
You pulled that number out of your ass
So did the poster above you, made up statistics are fun when arguing on the internet huh?
Most Major cellphone providers in Canada have no such "free" long distance calling, and in many cases still charge $0.15 - $0.25 per minnute for long distance. Not to mention all cellphone plans have a limit of minutes per month on your plan, then overages will own you. So no, its not even close to useless.
It is? Havnt they been targetting very small things for years with simple systems for laser guided bombs and hellfire missiles for the entire flight time of the weapon? And as for the idea of streaming smoke or particles, it would have to last for many miles before being through the complete boost phase of the missile, and out of range, as it is, missiles re pretty packed, where are you finding room to add this item? not to mention that you would have to be sure the smoke wouldnt be outright burned off by the power of the laser itself. Applying a mirrored surface wont work either, we arent talking about going to home depot and buying a can of silver paint, it would require such a high degree of polish that only certain materials can be used, and glass isnt something you should be jacketing your missiles with, also consider that any mirror covering you got to near flawlessness would need to be kept in a very clean space, possibly a vaccum or dust and other impurities would settle on it, and if a laser was to flash heat one of these covering impurities, you would cause a flaw in the covering, and the missile is compromised. Not to mention the costs of covering your entire arsenal in a perfect mirror then having all of your launch silo's converted to handle keeping these beasts clean. none of these countermeasures will work, simply put, the beam is far too potent, we are talking about a beam that will burn through a couple of inches of titanium in under 2 seconds
Maybe Europe alone can build a match for the F-22, in a 10-15 years, but by then the USA will have something better.
You arent too familiar with the Eurofighter are you? Its performance is a match in many ways for the required design specs for the F-22. Europe isnt anything close to 10-15 years away, in fact, Eurofighter Typhoon has been delivered to at least 4 air forces. Guess what? The US because of delays has NOTHING as good as Eurofighter in its inventory since the F-22 still hasnt been delivered. So lets see, you think (incorrectly) that Europe would need 10-15 years to catch up with US fighter technology, and by then the next generation of US fighters would be available anyhow? You do know that the current cycle of aircraft has been in use since the 60-70ss right? thats a delivery cycle of 30 years being conservative, not 10 or 15. Sir, you severely underestimate the ecolomy and ability of the EU.
Did you really just Godwin this thread in 6 posts??!
You incorectly assume that US movies were the only thing traded on that site. Among others, copyrighted works from Japan were as well. SuprNova had a whole host of things being shared, the movies were merely one small part. European TV shows were another that were being traded.
And you incorrectly assume that there were actual copyrighted materials on that site. Read up on bittorrent and how it works, you may want to revise your statement.
Someone mod the above poster "redundant" Playing Britney would already have all of the listed effects.
So how come the "amazingly" cheap reusable shuttles stay grounded while the Russians with probably 1/10 of a budget of NASA can sent people to ISS cheaper and on schedule?
They arent grounded because of costs, they are grounded because they are finding problems that are making them hold the flights and err on the side of caution. If you think the Russians are getting things up and in place "on time" maybe you should look again at their launch schedule, they couldnt even get their first contribution to the ISS up and in place on time, and things havnt gotten any better since.
As a bare minimum, it includes an individual's right to be adequately notified of charges or proceedings involving him, and the opportunity to be heard at these proceedings.
This was done, in this case, when they raided him they would have told him why the equipment was being seized, and the investigation with him as the subject. His opportunity would come later to be heard in trial. You dont "Notify" people of raids, that would completely defeat the purpose since you would be allowing them time to destroy evidence.
You're right. I air-to-surface torpedos are kind of over these days. It's all about air to surface missles now.
Not really, only against surface ships they are over, against subs they are still the preferred method of engagement. Aircraft move faster than subs, have many ways to detect said subs, can drop the torpedo basically on their heads giving little to no reaction time, and can prosecute the sub with no fear of retaliation at all
Hey! Congrats on all of your wonderful NROTC experence. I'm currently active duty navy ON subs. Yeh... I think I know what I'm talking about...
Active duty ON subs doesnt qualify you to know anything about the sonar or weapons systems if you are say...a cook. I note you left out what position you currently enjoy serving as, but now that I pointed that out, Im certain you will turn out to be the chief officer of sonar operations or somesuch.
[sarcasm]Yes, because transparent sides will help you see things IN THE DARK![/sarcasm]
Read your laws, its illegal to have an obscured or partially obscured license plate, weather its intentional (plastic covers etc) or unintentional (excessive mud/snow) they can easily pull you over and ticket you for it.
Yes, and a missile with little pyramids all over the outside of it is very aerodynamic and highly stable in flight too...... Part of the research to see if this is a viable technology and worth developing is to brainstorm any kinds of countermeasure that can be used against it, "Will it work? Is it even partly effective? How can we get around it?"
Um, You DO know that the "space pen" is a myth right? http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
So please, stop quoting every peice of spam that floats into your mailbox.
Unless you really did know this and are really bad at math, I mean 400 pens at $2.95 each certainly isnt "Millions"