write in the history books that they won despite everyone outside the US kowing they got their asses kicked
Actually, from every source I've ever read/watched, etc. militarily we were winning the war (read: kicking some serious ass). Unfortunately, wars are not only military, but political as well, and as more and more media coverage showed the horrors of the war, it became unpopular and we pulled out.
As anyone that fought in Jr. High or high school knows, if you leave a fight before there is a definite victor, the person pulling out "looses".
So, politically we lost the war, militarily however, we did not.
If the people of this nation at the time would put down their bongs and annoying overly overt liberalism and grew some balls, we would have stayed in the war and kept South Vietnam free of the bullshit regime of the North Vietnamese.
That's the problem with our industry. There's to many people going "Where's the money?" and not enough people that truly love technology.
A company has no "OS of choice", the choice is dictated by the knowledgable staff of the IT department. If that's not true where you work then your company has serious issues.
If you personally (anyone reading this) base your career decisions specifically on "where's the money" or any phrase of similar meaning, please please do the rest of us in IT that actually care about our jobs/technologies/the future of techonoly a huge favor and pick a different career path. Marketing may be a good choice for people like you, or perhaps the stock market.
Side Note:
Me? I hate windows and Vista especially. BUT I get paid to administer it so I do what needs to be done to do that well.
Doing something you hate for money, at least where I come from, is called being a sellout. Find a linux company if you hate windows. I personally would travel to the ends of the earth to avoid being a "windows administrator" for more reasons than I can list here.
Everyone who runs as administrator in windows right now would be running as root in linux and then you would see the exact same problems on linux that you do with windows.
That's just asinine.
Windows (barring Vista which won't take major effect for a while and has it's own serious design flaws) runs EVERYTHING as administrator by default. Linux runs EVERYTHING as a limited user by default. Most average joe's would be using the *desktop* environment and would log in as a USER, thus protecting themselves from malicious software targetting their system.
Sure, they may lose personal files by running a nasty program someone emailed to them, but at least they won't become a botnet zombie machine that spams my inbox ALL-DAY-LONG.
it's inhumane to not support parents who don't want to work for a living, and would much rather have lots of sex without any forms of birth control
I completely disagree. It's inhumane to allow such behavior. Roosevelt's "New Deal", which introduced welfare as well as other socialist programs, proved to be a huge detriment to this country. We now have uneducated people growing up under the idea that it's ok to be a leech on society, because welfare will always be around. Just pop a kid out every now and again, Boom! Paycheck.
What's inhumane is not denying support to these people, it's not forcing them to better themselves and provide for their family. It's completely antiphilanthropic and detremental to our civilization in whole.
A mother who pops out a kid and expects the state (read: joe taxpayer) to pay for her kid while she sits around and watches Jerry Springer deserves NO sympathy; the very opposite in fact, these people should be scorned, tarred and feathered, and burned alive on public diplay.
It's not my job to raise your damnned kids. Stop taking undeserved tax dollars. Stop censoring my entertainment. Stop crying foul every time some sensible person stands up and says "You kid, your problem". Personal Responsability is a phrase that actually means something. Look it up! And bring it back to our society.
Oh please. It's the same tired old crap I hear all the time about rpm.
Guess what? You get the same thing in deb and in sources!!! Rarely do you actually use rpm directly. You use yum or up2date or whatever your fancy. Same thing with deb, you use apt. If you try to install something from source that needs a library or two, you still have to download and install thoes libraries. Dependencies exist everywhere. However yum takes care of them, much like apt.
Dependency hell has been a non-issue for red hat for a very long time. Stop Spreading Retarded FUD./me applauds Grand Parent Post.
The problem with these comments is that they always come out of phanboi-ism. You like Debian... I got it. Guess what? I'm a long time RedHat/Fedora fan; I've been using it all the way back since 5.x days when it was still called Red Hat... and I'll STILL concede to liking apt better than yum (mainly due to it being faster) because I have this crazy ability to speak objectively about a subject after I've actually experimented with or researched it.
Enough stupid FUD already.
Debian is a great Distro.
Fedora is a great Distro.
Both distros have pros and cons and various differences that make them strong and weak.
Done.
there's a lot more in Massachusetts than just Boston, right?
WTF? I was born in MA. I've lived here most of my life. In total honestly, no, there isn't. Frankly, boston is small, elitist and not all that exciting. NYC is much cooler than boston. The rest of the state is a bunch of rural towns and crack infested, corrupt cities (like Springfield).
There's practically nothing in MA except some Math Wizards and an assload of whiny liberals.
The truth is simple. It only matters what they do in Redmond if you use their stuff. If you don't, Redmond doesn't matter. DRM only matters if you want to watch HD-DVDs or Blue-Ray or whatever. DRM doesn't matter if you don't care.
This has got to be one of the scariest comments I've read on slashdot... Ever. Stuff only matters if you care about it? Let me translate that to exaclty what you mean: Stuff only matters if it directly effects you. I couldn't possibly find a more incorrect statement if I took shrooms on a mountainside and meditated on it for 40 years.
K. Try this on for size: North Korea starts acting like dicks to the US. We decide to bomb their asses but piss off china in the process... (whoops!) WWIII erupts. Nuclear fallout, the end of days, etc. etc. etc. But it doesn't matter because I'm safe and isolated in the mountains of montanna and I just don't care. See what I'm getting at?
This is the same retarded mentality that allowed smoking to be banned in bars in various states (CA,NY,MA, maybe more). I'm totally freaking sick of it. Stop being so selfish and self-centered. Think about the plights of OTHER PEOPLE. Think about the betterment of humanity! Think about calling BULLSHIT on our leaders once in a while even though the topic at hand doesn't directly effect you!
Just because you may use linux (I do) doesn't mean that you shouldn't care how industry leaders are raping and pillaging OUR technologies and destroying the future of our technologies.
Furthermore, the whole argument about using our wallets as a message is total boulderdash. Do any of you really think the.05% market share of slashdotters is going to scare redmond? Hell, most people (end users I mean) do not have a choice to install something other than vista because they don't know better. It came on their computer, that's all they know.
A lot of emotion here? There should be! In my opinion, there should be more! People should be lining the streets, a collective aura of rage directed at Bush, Enron, Microsoft, the RIAA, the FCC, etc.
People who's entire drive is self-centric, lethargic apathy scare the crap out of me.
WTF??? Based on that statement, I wouldn't hire you, nor would I work for you if your job involved anything more technical than "Do this project".
Please tell me exactly where the similarities between these two programs lie (besides what they actually DO):
------ Assembly . DATA string DB "Hello",13,10,"$" . CODE
mov dx, OFFSET string;Load location of string
mov ah, 09h;call string display function
int 21h
mov ax, 4C00h ; call terminate function
int 21h
------ C #include int main(void){
printf("Hello\n");
return 0; }
Although I agree with the gist of your post, it scares me how some people lump things together that aren't even close, like pot and crack or assembly and C.
Not saying that someone w/o a CS degree cannot code well. I'm saying that it is more likely that someone with a CS degree will want to.
Actually, in my experience, it's the total opposite. Nearly everyone I've met/hired/worked with over the years that has gone to school for computers turn out to be totally incompetent. From their total lack of understanding of how programming works to complete sytems built on idiotic quick hacks tied together with shoe strings of copy-and-paste code from google, CS majors tend to be like paper MCSE's of the.com boom; They look good on paper but have no clue what they're doing typically because they don't even care about technology, they're just here to make a quick buck.
My current employer actually hired me because I don't have a CS degree. I'm completely self taught in technology/programming which directly states that I love it enough to learn it and do it during my free time. I actually care about my work and about technology in general.
That's true as long as "stability" isn't synonymous with "> 6 month old software" which has been the problem with distros like debian.
It's the old admin vs. programmer issue.
Admins (I am one) want their stuff stable so they're not always dealing with issues.
Programmers (I am one) want [need] the latest functionality to be as productive as possible (or to be able to do their job at all in some instances)
The trick is to find the middle ground. Just because something is "newer" doesn't mean it's bleeding edge or unstable. Of course, you also wouldn't go throwing on the very latest release of a distro the day it comes out.
What kind of dope uses Fedora on a production server?
It's arrogant, elitist (and ignorant) comments like this that really drive me crazy.
What you use in your production environment depends on different things; Knowledge and preference of the admins, business needs, type of environment, etc.
At my current employer, we're moving away from debian towards fedora for a very specific reason: Our requirements dictate that we *need* functionality that doesn't exist in 1000 year old software that's housed in debian packages. Don't get me wrong, I love debian. I personally find apt to be a better package manager than rpm, but we simply can't wait for 6 months/2 years/whatever to get the features that exist right now in more "bleeding edge" distros.
Being a long time fedora user I can say with a great deal of confidence that fedora is very stable on a server. We run one version behind on our servers to let the brand new version mature a bit (we're running FC5 on our servers now), and have *never* had an issue with stability.
Can we all just stop with the two rediculous Fedora FUD comments please? Dependency Hell(tm) no longer exists for redhat (and hasn't for a LONG time) and FC is a stable OS. Just stop. It's old now.
Global replace, along with about 1000 other things is quite simple with vi. Admittedly, learning all the arcane syntax and memorizing commands isn't as simple as file->search however.
Finally someone speaks some sense instead of the annoying fanboi canned FUD.
Speed doesn't change drastically simply by changing distros. Any administrator could tell you this.
The fact that slackware or debian simply has less turned on by default merely reflects a different mindset. I as a developer would *rather* have everything turned on and installed so that I can go back and turn things off as opposed to finding everything I want, installing it, and turning it on. Neither mindset is incorrect, it's merely preference.
Also, the speed difference between FC4 and FC5 is quite drastic as well, which I believe is due to the improvements the gnome team have made. FC5 is quick and snappy as hell now. I'm loving it.
And for the love of GOD. Please stop calling software/features that *you* don't like bloat. Just because you don't need/want it, doesn't make it bloat. Turn it off, uninstall it, and shut up already.
"So in summary, you guys might as well do it.. because you'll grow old waiting before anyone in that region of the world rises up to fight them."
Brilliant posts. Very informative.
My only concern is, isn't this what we are and have been doing, and isn't it exactly the cause of terrorisim and loathing we've been recieving from the world?
If we attempt to strong-arm or forcefully subdue the trouble makers, won't we cause the sentiment that we're "butting in"?
Wouldn't it make more sense to try to perhaps help the culture reform so that it becomes more proactive in self-policing like we are, instead of trying to police the "brown trash" muslim sects ourselves and cause yet more animosity?
In another note:
tempestdata, you're welcome at my table any time bro.
Keep the informative posts coming!
Won? No-one can WIN in a cold war, because it's more of paranoia than war.
That's an interesting way to look at it. Another way to look at it would be that a cold war is a pissing match between nations that involves non-militaristic competition.
The cold war we were involved in against russia took a public face of both an "arms race" for big scary weapons, and a scientific race to space and beyond.
The war ended when russia's economy collapsed, causing the death of their government. Now if that's not winning a cold war, then I don't know what is.
They fell down. We remained standing. That's winning a cold war.
I'm not a Clinton hater, quite the contrary, I thought he was a good president, and by contrast to our current president, he was freaking terrific, but let's be real here. He did commit one crime. He cheated on his wife.
professional Audio pronunciation of "professional" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-fsh-nl) adj.
1.
1. Of, relating to, engaged in, or suitable for a profession: lawyers, doctors, and other professional people.
2. Conforming to the standards of a profession: professional behavior.
2. Engaging in a given activity as a source of livelihood or as a career: a professional writer.
3. Performed by persons receiving pay: professional football.
4. Having or showing great skill; expert: a professional repair job.
n.
1. A person following a profession, especially a learned profession.
2. One who earns a living in a given or implied occupation: hired a professional to decorate the house.
3. A skilled practitioner; an expert.
(thanks dictionary.com!!)
So basically, the word professional either means you are an expert, or you're paid to do what you do.
Now, I don't remember anything in TFA that mentioned her calming down pissed off clients because their IIS server was taken down by 100 viruses, and I'd hardly call an MCSE an "expert" in microsoft; believe me! I have my MCSE, and I used to deal with a lot of MCSEs! Most of them just learned what the needed to know to pass the tests and didn't know anything about how to actually use the software in the real world.
Words either mean something, or they don't!
-- This has been a Public Service Rant(tm) from the Association of Concerned English Speakers for the Conservation of the English Language.
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Actually, from every source I've ever read/watched, etc. militarily we were winning the war (read: kicking some serious ass). Unfortunately, wars are not only military, but political as well, and as more and more media coverage showed the horrors of the war, it became unpopular and we pulled out.
As anyone that fought in Jr. High or high school knows, if you leave a fight before there is a definite victor, the person pulling out "looses".
So, politically we lost the war, militarily however, we did not.
If the people of this nation at the time would put down their bongs and annoying overly overt liberalism and grew some balls, we would have stayed in the war and kept South Vietnam free of the bullshit regime of the North Vietnamese.
Read your history.
That's the problem with our industry. There's to many people going "Where's the money?" and not enough people that truly love technology.
A company has no "OS of choice", the choice is dictated by the knowledgable staff of the IT department. If that's not true where you work then your company has serious issues.
If you personally (anyone reading this) base your career decisions specifically on "where's the money" or any phrase of similar meaning, please please do the rest of us in IT that actually care about our jobs/technologies/the future of techonoly a huge favor and pick a different career path. Marketing may be a good choice for people like you, or perhaps the stock market.
Side Note:
Doing something you hate for money, at least where I come from, is called being a sellout. Find a linux company if you hate windows. I personally would travel to the ends of the earth to avoid being a "windows administrator" for more reasons than I can list here.
Everyone who runs as administrator in windows right now would be running as root in linux and then you would see the exact same problems on linux that you do with windows.
That's just asinine.
Windows (barring Vista which won't take major effect for a while and has it's own serious design flaws) runs EVERYTHING as administrator by default.
Linux runs EVERYTHING as a limited user by default.
Most average joe's would be using the *desktop* environment and would log in as a USER, thus protecting themselves from malicious software targetting their system.
Sure, they may lose personal files by running a nasty program someone emailed to them, but at least they won't become a botnet zombie machine that spams my inbox ALL-DAY-LONG.
it's inhumane to not support parents who don't want to work for a living, and would much rather have lots of sex without any forms of birth control
I completely disagree.
It's inhumane to allow such behavior. Roosevelt's "New Deal", which introduced welfare as well as other socialist programs, proved to be a huge detriment to this country. We now have uneducated people growing up under the idea that it's ok to be a leech on society, because welfare will always be around. Just pop a kid out every now and again, Boom! Paycheck.
What's inhumane is not denying support to these people, it's not forcing them to better themselves and provide for their family. It's completely antiphilanthropic and detremental to our civilization in whole.
A mother who pops out a kid and expects the state (read: joe taxpayer) to pay for her kid while she sits around and watches Jerry Springer deserves NO sympathy; the very opposite in fact, these people should be scorned, tarred and feathered, and burned alive on public diplay.
It's not my job to raise your damnned kids. Stop taking undeserved tax dollars. Stop censoring my entertainment. Stop crying foul every time some sensible person stands up and says "You kid, your problem". Personal Responsability is a phrase that actually means something. Look it up! And bring it back to our society.
Oh please. It's the same tired old crap I hear all the time about rpm.
/me applauds Grand Parent Post.
Guess what? You get the same thing in deb and in sources!!! Rarely do you actually use rpm directly. You use yum or up2date or whatever your fancy. Same thing with deb, you use apt. If you try to install something from source that needs a library or two, you still have to download and install thoes libraries. Dependencies exist everywhere. However yum takes care of them, much like apt.
I guess I have to say it again.
Dependency hell has been a non-issue for red hat for a very long time. Stop Spreading Retarded FUD.
The problem with these comments is that they always come out of phanboi-ism. You like Debian... I got it. Guess what? I'm a long time RedHat/Fedora fan; I've been using it all the way back since 5.x days when it was still called Red Hat... and I'll STILL concede to liking apt better than yum (mainly due to it being faster) because I have this crazy ability to speak objectively about a subject after I've actually experimented with or researched it.
Enough stupid FUD already.
Debian is a great Distro.
Fedora is a great Distro.
Both distros have pros and cons and various differences that make them strong and weak.
Done.
there's a lot more in Massachusetts than just Boston, right?
WTF? I was born in MA. I've lived here most of my life.
In total honestly, no, there isn't. Frankly, boston is small, elitist and not all that exciting. NYC is much cooler than boston. The rest of the state is a bunch of rural towns and crack infested, corrupt cities (like Springfield).
There's practically nothing in MA except some Math Wizards and an assload of whiny liberals.
-- The Horses Mouth.
The truth is simple. It only matters what they do in Redmond if you use their stuff. If you don't, Redmond doesn't matter. DRM only matters if you want to watch HD-DVDs or Blue-Ray or whatever. DRM doesn't matter if you don't care.
.05% market share of slashdotters is going to scare redmond? Hell, most people (end users I mean) do not have a choice to install something other than vista because they don't know better. It came on their computer, that's all they know.
This has got to be one of the scariest comments I've read on slashdot... Ever.
Stuff only matters if you care about it? Let me translate that to exaclty what you mean: Stuff only matters if it directly effects you. I couldn't possibly find a more incorrect statement if I took shrooms on a mountainside and meditated on it for 40 years.
K. Try this on for size: North Korea starts acting like dicks to the US. We decide to bomb their asses but piss off china in the process... (whoops!) WWIII erupts. Nuclear fallout, the end of days, etc. etc. etc. But it doesn't matter because I'm safe and isolated in the mountains of montanna and I just don't care. See what I'm getting at?
This is the same retarded mentality that allowed smoking to be banned in bars in various states (CA,NY,MA, maybe more). I'm totally freaking sick of it. Stop being so selfish and self-centered. Think about the plights of OTHER PEOPLE. Think about the betterment of humanity! Think about calling BULLSHIT on our leaders once in a while even though the topic at hand doesn't directly effect you!
Just because you may use linux (I do) doesn't mean that you shouldn't care how industry leaders are raping and pillaging OUR technologies and destroying the future of our technologies.
Furthermore, the whole argument about using our wallets as a message is total boulderdash. Do any of you really think the
A lot of emotion here? There should be! In my opinion, there should be more! People should be lining the streets, a collective aura of rage directed at Bush, Enron, Microsoft, the RIAA, the FCC, etc.
People who's entire drive is self-centric, lethargic apathy scare the crap out of me.
Assembly is like C
;Load location of string ;call string display function
.com boom; They look good on paper but have no clue what they're doing typically because they don't even care about technology, they're just here to make a quick buck.
WTF???
Based on that statement, I wouldn't hire you, nor would I work for you if your job involved anything more technical than "Do this project".
Please tell me exactly where the similarities between these two programs lie (besides what they actually DO):
------ Assembly
. DATA
string DB "Hello",13,10,"$"
. CODE
mov dx, OFFSET string
mov ah, 09h
int 21h
mov ax, 4C00h ; call terminate function
int 21h
------ C
#include
int main(void){
printf("Hello\n");
return 0;
}
Although I agree with the gist of your post, it scares me how some people lump things together that aren't even close, like pot and crack or assembly and C.
Not saying that someone w/o a CS degree cannot code well. I'm saying that it is more likely that someone with a CS degree will want to.
Actually, in my experience, it's the total opposite. Nearly everyone I've met/hired/worked with over the years that has gone to school for computers turn out to be totally incompetent. From their total lack of understanding of how programming works to complete sytems built on idiotic quick hacks tied together with shoe strings of copy-and-paste code from google, CS majors tend to be like paper MCSE's of the
My current employer actually hired me because I don't have a CS degree. I'm completely self taught in technology/programming which directly states that I love it enough to learn it and do it during my free time. I actually care about my work and about technology in general.
That's true as long as "stability" isn't synonymous with "> 6 month old software" which has been the problem with distros like debian.
It's the old admin vs. programmer issue.
Admins (I am one) want their stuff stable so they're not always dealing with issues.
Programmers (I am one) want [need] the latest functionality to be as productive as possible (or to be able to do their job at all in some instances)
The trick is to find the middle ground. Just because something is "newer" doesn't mean it's bleeding edge or unstable. Of course, you also wouldn't go throwing on the very latest release of a distro the day it comes out.
What kind of dope uses Fedora on a production server?
It's arrogant, elitist (and ignorant) comments like this that really drive me crazy.
What you use in your production environment depends on different things; Knowledge and preference of the admins, business needs, type of environment, etc.
At my current employer, we're moving away from debian towards fedora for a very specific reason: Our requirements dictate that we *need* functionality that doesn't exist in 1000 year old software that's housed in debian packages. Don't get me wrong, I love debian. I personally find apt to be a better package manager than rpm, but we simply can't wait for 6 months/2 years/whatever to get the features that exist right now in more "bleeding edge" distros.
Being a long time fedora user I can say with a great deal of confidence that fedora is very stable on a server. We run one version behind on our servers to let the brand new version mature a bit (we're running FC5 on our servers now), and have *never* had an issue with stability.
Can we all just stop with the two rediculous Fedora FUD comments please?
Dependency Hell(tm) no longer exists for redhat (and hasn't for a LONG time) and FC is a stable OS.
Just stop.
It's old now.
Lol. When will people learn to keep their mouths shut when they don't know what they're talking about?
Global replace, along with about 1000 other things is quite simple with vi. Admittedly, learning all the arcane syntax and memorizing commands isn't as simple as file->search however.
A musician is someone who makes music
No.
A Musician is someone who plays music.
A Composer is someone who makes music.
/clap
Finally someone speaks some sense instead of the annoying fanboi canned FUD.
Speed doesn't change drastically simply by changing distros. Any administrator could tell you this.
The fact that slackware or debian simply has less turned on by default merely reflects a different mindset. I as a developer would *rather* have everything turned on and installed so that I can go back and turn things off as opposed to finding everything I want, installing it, and turning it on. Neither mindset is incorrect, it's merely preference.
Also, the speed difference between FC4 and FC5 is quite drastic as well, which I believe is due to the improvements the gnome team have made. FC5 is quick and snappy as hell now. I'm loving it.
And for the love of GOD. Please stop calling software/features that *you* don't like bloat. Just because you don't need/want it, doesn't make it bloat. Turn it off, uninstall it, and shut up already.
"reporting on Japanese balloon bombs during WWII also."
Funny you should mention the last war America ever declared.
Did I miss something?
Haven't we declared war on Iraq twice now?
Technically up until Iraq every conflict we've had since WWII has been some variation of a "police action", true, but we have declared war since WWII.
"So in summary, you guys might as well do it.. because you'll grow old waiting before anyone in that region of the world rises up to fight them."
Brilliant posts. Very informative.
My only concern is, isn't this what we are and have been doing, and isn't it exactly the cause of terrorisim and loathing we've been recieving from the world?
If we attempt to strong-arm or forcefully subdue the trouble makers, won't we cause the sentiment that we're "butting in"?
Wouldn't it make more sense to try to perhaps help the culture reform so that it becomes more proactive in self-policing like we are, instead of trying to police the "brown trash" muslim sects ourselves and cause yet more animosity?
In another note:
tempestdata, you're welcome at my table any time bro.
Keep the informative posts coming!
j
Won? No-one can WIN in a cold war, because it's more of paranoia than war.
That's an interesting way to look at it.
Another way to look at it would be that a cold war is a pissing match between nations that involves non-militaristic competition.
The cold war we were involved in against russia took a public face of both an "arms race" for big scary weapons, and a scientific race to space and beyond.
The war ended when russia's economy collapsed, causing the death of their government. Now if that's not winning a cold war, then I don't know what is.
They fell down. We remained standing. That's winning a cold war.
Not to nit-pick, but do be fair...
Isn't Adultery illegal in this country?
I'm not a Clinton hater, quite the contrary, I thought he was a good president, and by contrast to our current president, he was freaking terrific, but let's be real here. He did commit one crime. He cheated on his wife.
Um.
:)
You're uhhh... you're like, kidding right?
Check out CNN once and a while
Hold on a sec.. I think I hear the NSA at my Door$%^&$%^[LOST CARRIER]
Dude you SO owe me a coffee for that one!
:)
And a towel for my monitor.
Man... I've even got mod points but you're already +5!
And I don't see why they'd bother, when a threatening letter is all it usually takes to take a torrent site down
That's not really true. Depending on where the site is hosted, legal threats could be more humerous than scarry.
Case in point.
Btw, if you've got a few minutes to kill, you should really check out some of the emails to and responses from thepiratebay.com. They are hilarious!
Not to nit-pick, oh wait, yeah to nit-pick:
professional Audio pronunciation of "professional" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-fsh-nl)
adj.
1.
1. Of, relating to, engaged in, or suitable for a profession: lawyers, doctors, and other professional people.
2. Conforming to the standards of a profession: professional behavior.
2. Engaging in a given activity as a source of livelihood or as a career: a professional writer.
3. Performed by persons receiving pay: professional football.
4. Having or showing great skill; expert: a professional repair job.
n.
1. A person following a profession, especially a learned profession.
2. One who earns a living in a given or implied occupation: hired a professional to decorate the house.
3. A skilled practitioner; an expert.
(thanks dictionary.com!!)
So basically, the word professional either means you are an expert, or you're paid to do what you do.
Now, I don't remember anything in TFA that mentioned her calming down pissed off clients because their IIS server was taken down by 100 viruses, and I'd hardly call an MCSE an "expert" in microsoft; believe me! I have my MCSE, and I used to deal with a lot of MCSEs! Most of them just learned what the needed to know to pass the tests and didn't know anything about how to actually use the software in the real world.
Words either mean something, or they don't!
-- This has been a Public Service Rant(tm) from the Association of Concerned English Speakers for the Conservation of the English Language.
That sir, I am embroidering on my pillow!
Omfg you owe me a new coffee for that one! lol!
Damn it I gotta clean off my monitor now... stupid mental images
Oh yeah?
Did you try it?
worked for me just fine.
j