Ive been switching my linux machines to ubuntu recently , as of the proper release of hoary they use update-manager and update-notifier. I find this way quite acceptable.
Synaptic is just an apt-get front end , update-manager is more like the windows auto updater.
I see what your saying ,.If you really wanted it, it would be quite easy to write a small script to auto check and auto install update packages within a debian apt-get based distro which could be set by cron to do it automatically.
I have one currently for my written for my works server (would love to release it as GPL but contractualy I couldn't)Which handels automatic updates to patch vunerabilites
All it takes is someone to write one then persuade the distros its a good idea. Personly i dislike forcing something like this on end-users . It may be a good thing for distros such as line-spire aimed at the novices and those who dont wish to know more
If you can find a think-pad(or any slightly older laptop with a good quality screen , i would recomend a powerbook/ibook(OS x and its native PDF functionality are great for this) or thinkpad) from 2000 or so (may need a new battery unless you can live with being attached to a wall socket) it will make a grand glorified library . This will in the long run save you alot of a cash on print outs . I use an old laptop for the same thing. Just an alternate idea . having a browse around ebay some older laptops are going for around the same price as laser printers so it may be worth a shot .
I do agree that perhaps that may have slipped me by , I am not a christan (though i am fully versed , and have read the bible) so perhaps some of the subtiltie would have sliped past me.I may infact give it a re-read keeping that in mind , Cheers. It will be intresting to view it from a new perspective
By its very nature Sci-fi does not need to be accurate IMHO(and that is just my view) , Though i did dislike his sci-fi but that was more because of the inconsistency. I agree that C.S.Lewis based most of his books on reworkings of bible fabels , his best works were definantly those that worked in the situations to more plausable realitys or reversed the intent(such as the Screwtape Letters), Less moralising more retelling (I am also not a christian , but the screwtape letters was great). His sci-fi just seemed detached to me . Whilst his descriptions of the worlds and cultures are grand , it all too often has a cold primal quality more akin to fantasy than sci-fi. Out of the Silent Planet for example (the first in his space trillogy) Perhaps i missunderstood it , but it seemed like a retelling of the fabel of jobe perhaps a little mixed with the Jesus fabel , it just didnt ever sit right. He could evoke such great atmosphere , but then ruined it by an all too familiar moral over-tone that brought it back down to earth with a clattering kaboom. Perlandera was just awfull imho , it simply apeard far far too moralising . The strugle against the Devil it was just all too blatent by that point.
I did enjoy the narnia books (and the BBC version of which) but i much preferd the tales of the brothers grim for my fairly land readings
Several distros do have auto update functions installed by default.. Red-hat , fedora-core , ubuntu , Suse , novell.. to name but a few. Most other distros are picking up the trend.
The only server i can think of that requires a GUI is X11(boom tish) or the likes. Other than that a GUI interface is really just a preferance for the user. I personaly do most of my work on the command line , the only thing i would really not enjoy doing on the command line would be Graphical work , i know its possible but its not plesant.
It would be nice to have it on the CD and labeld on the box as such, Linux gaming could really use the boost of another big title with full linux support.
I think im going to avoid true 3D GUIs for the first few years , You know how knew tech always gets used in the daftest situations at first. We will be lambasted with fully 3d Wordprocesors and on our web browsers pop ups will really pop up. I Remember how bad it was when flash first got popular and every site under the sun included it in all sorts of funny ways.Well it will be nothing compared to blogs with 3d dancing letters and Hampster dances that will run all around and try to nibble on your cords.
Indeed , I look at it like this though. I would rather spend at most a couple of hours at the weekend securing my systems , than spending a very stressfull monday(perhaps a few other days aswell) restoring a comprimised system or systems...then having to deal with the PHBs.
Alot of the time these vunerabilitys are discoverd by Black-hats , so there is no real way of containing the info as it will slip into the community. So imediate disclosure of known vunerabilitys really does help.
I do agree , I just have a rather large aversion to using lawyers. I look at it like this.. He has given into the presure of the community with only the threat of using the lawyers , This says alot about the percived strength of GPL in a legal setting.
SCO on the other hand struck first attempting to exploit the GPL with patent litegation and license fees, Legal action here was unavoidable and was used (Rightly so).
Perhaps i am being a little soft here. I agree He should be made to comply with the GPL and release his changes back , I would just like to see it done without the lawyers. Though that may perhaps be unavoiadable if we are to persue this. Pressure has made him so far remove it from sale and kill the project , so perhaps a little more can make him fully comply with the GPL. I know this would perhaps not be the best outcome in a legal sense , but it would definantly be very welcome and save alot of people alot of stress.
I agree partly,however.The weekend is also a peak time for skript kiddies what with no school/work and the servers being perhaps unatended. A critical vunerability in a server needs to be seen to as soon as possible , waiting till monday may mean that we get a couple of days rest , It also means that our server is vunerable for those days.
Hm , in that case . Do you or your freind have any idea if they will be bringing out a linux port of the binarys anywhere around the release date. It would be great to have a linux native version on the CD , its using a modified Doom 3 engine( as is my understanding) so im sure there is some hope of this.
too true , and you can infact run the unix base of OS X on x86 http://www.opendarwin.org/ without the aid of an emulator. What i find to be the charm of OS X is the coupling of a great unix core with a charming GUI and the applications therein(naturaly also the frameworks aswell)
If all you care about is the unix base in os x then opendarwin is progresing steadily ( http://www.xdarwin.org/about/ may also be of intrest)
Hes a plagerist , though I consider plagerism as reprehensible as theft. I suppose though , plagerism could fall under the bracket of theft(pure semantics).The GPL ideals are about the freedom of the code and about keeping it free.What he did was restrict the freedoms of the code, plagerised the pearPC teams hard work and he did not return any changes he had made.
Its seems rather silly to me , All he would have needed to do would be to return changes and provide source code.The target audiance are most likely people who wouldnt want to or perhaps don't know how to compile from source and most likely want support for the product beyond IRC and forums. There is no shame in continuing on from others work, it seems to me to be a pure ego thing in denying he got some code(or all the code) from the PearPC project.
I wouldn't myself call him a thief though , as from what i can tell we havn't lost anything bar his contribution to the GPL work.
Sometimes its better to just let things go . Sure a case may have ment another Test of the GPL in court , but it would also mean the folks behind PearPC would have less time to hack away at the code.
With the demise of CherryOS , most likely from the presure of the aligations, We can rest easy for now . It may not be an ideal victory , but a victory non the less
It atleast shows that the community and the GPL are begining to hold alot more sway.Far better this I say than making a few more lawyers rich off of IP litegation.
If you notice the grandparent said he was not fammiliar with OS X so i assume he is also not fammiliar with the Apple OS in general. Fair enough i could have said menu bar , but if he is more fammilar with windows or even a DE like KDE ( i know you can have KDE put the menu bar at the top aswell) he may have been looking at a finder window trying to see where it was. A little system literacy is always good , but it never hurts to try and simplfy things for people.
you can do so from the top bar. on finder select Go from the top bar then "connect to server" to then you can just adress it like smb://*IPaddy-or-server name*/*Share-directory*/ (or you can press command+k to open up the screen then do the same). You can also use samba on the command line if your more comfertable there.
no , Curby is a freind of mine from another site.No way i could prove that to you , But since i already admited i screwed-up and posted an apoligy its all water under the bridge . I will say sorry to you aswell as obviously i have made a negative impresion on you in a moment of weakness.
Better apoligise i got a bit irate there , It happens and a big man can admit he was wrong.Yes i was in the wrong. Though i was honestly not trying to troll in the grandparent , i do apoligise if it seems that way. As an apple user (partly,mostly i use Debian) I get sick fed up of people bringing out the "zelouts" card and it frankly turns me into a bit of a zelout , well i get defensive. Its natural to defend something you spend a great deal of time on. So perhaps im not a zelout , perhaps i was just annoyed at constantly hearing the line that all apple users are zelouts.
On the issue , yes apple has a problem here. It will be fixed soon hopefully for now there are work-arounds.
(btw yes it was a typ-o not a click-o i was posting as myself .:P this will teach me to proff read i guess)
More info can be obtained from console.app in the Utilities directory under Applications(/Applications/utilities , or just go through the system logs from the terminal , but console.app is a rather nice time saver), its just a colection of the systems logs but its rather usefull and searchable. It does give a more detailed output. for example when i try to connect to my existant SMB share it gives me
May 7 11:32:53 Xcomp kernel[0]: netsmb_dev: loaded May 7 11:32:53 xcomp[0]: netsmb_dev: loaded May 7 11:35:39 xcomp[0]: smbfs_aclsflunksniff: user sid S-1-5-21-2466424394-2119469220-2469460652-2002 didnt map
I would have given an example of the error output from the specific problem , but i am doing some work on the linux comp that runs my nfs and samba shares right now.
how the funk is that a troll,damm mods grow up. He was only responding to the parent with a question and awnser. Since when is the truth a troll , and it dosn't sound insulting to me. Im sorry are MS marketing being paid to moderate or something.
Fair enough . If you would be willing to supply with me a copy of 2003 server and a machine to run it on , well two machines one for redhat(I will also require a copy of redhat). identical hardware(hardware must be fully supported under both OSs). The tweaks will be applied evenly and both OSs will be fully patched. The setups will use php (modphp not cgi). As opposed to having an insanly stupid set-up on redhat and having windows 2003 server contain every tweak under the sun bar painting go-faster stripes on the box.
um.. what has not being able to properly connect to a SAMBA share got to do with stability.Tiger is very very stable i have not had one OS crash (a few programs have but they were built for 10.3 and the updated version run fine) The fault here is in interoperability with a Microsoft SMB share (no such problem with NFS) and there is an easy work around (you just point to the share directly).
Had this been about microsoft products not connecting to a SAMBA share properly.Then quite rightly, there would have been a hell of an uproar.
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Ive been switching my linux machines to ubuntu recently , as of the proper release of hoary they use update-manager and update-notifier.
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.If you really wanted it, it would be quite easy to write a small script to auto check and auto install update packages within a debian apt-get based distro which could be set by cron to do it automatically .
.
I find this way quite acceptable.
Synaptic is just an apt-get front end , update-manager is more like the windows auto updater
I see what your saying ,
I have one currently for my written for my works server (would love to release it as GPL but contractualy I couldn't)Which handels automatic updates to patch vunerabilites
All it takes is someone to write one then persuade the distros its a good idea
Personly i dislike forcing something like this on end-users . It may be a good thing for distros such as line-spire aimed at the novices and those who dont wish to know more
If you can find a think-pad(or any slightly older laptop with a good quality screen , i would recomend a powerbook /ibook(OS x and its native PDF functionality are great for this) or thinkpad) from 2000 or so (may need a new battery unless you can live with being attached to a wall socket) it will make a grand glorified library . This will in the long run save you alot of a cash on print outs . I use an old laptop for the same thing.
Just an alternate idea . having a browse around ebay some older laptops are going for around the same price as laser printers so it may be worth a shot .
I do agree that perhaps that may have slipped me by , I am not a christan (though i am fully versed , and have read the bible) so perhaps some of the subtiltie would have sliped past me .I may infact give it a re-read keeping that in mind , Cheers. It will be intresting to view it from a new perspective
By its very nature Sci-fi does not need to be accurate IMHO(and that is just my view) , Though i did dislike his sci-fi but that was more because of the inconsistency. .
I agree that C.S.Lewis based most of his books on reworkings of bible fabels , his best works were definantly those that worked in the situations to more plausable realitys or reversed the intent(such as the Screwtape Letters), Less moralising more retelling (I am also not a christian , but the screwtape letters was great).
His sci-fi just seemed detached to me . Whilst his descriptions of the worlds and cultures are grand , it all too often has a cold primal quality more akin to fantasy than sci-fi. Out of the Silent Planet for example (the first in his space trillogy) Perhaps i missunderstood it , but it seemed like a retelling of the fabel of jobe perhaps a little mixed with the Jesus fabel , it just didnt ever sit right. He could evoke such great atmosphere , but then ruined it by an all too familiar moral over-tone that brought it back down to earth with a clattering kaboom. Perlandera was just awfull imho , it simply apeard far far too moralising . The strugle against the Devil it was just all too blatent by that point
I did enjoy the narnia books (and the BBC version of which) but i much preferd the tales of the brothers grim for my fairly land readings
Several distros do have auto update functions installed by default.. Red-hat , fedora-core , ubuntu , Suse , novell .. to name but a few .
Most other distros are picking up the trend.
It may have as many bugs(hyperbole) as MS products , but They are a hell of alot cheaper.
The only server i can think of that requires a GUI is X11(boom tish) or the likes .
Other than that a GUI interface is really just a preferance for the user.
I personaly do most of my work on the command line , the only thing i would really not enjoy doing on the command line would be Graphical work , i know its possible but its not plesant.
It would be nice to have it on the CD and labeld on the box as such, Linux gaming could really use the boost of another big title with full linux support.
I think im going to avoid true 3D GUIs for the first few years , You know how knew tech always gets used in the daftest situations at first .
We will be lambasted with fully 3d Wordprocesors and on our web browsers pop ups will really pop up. I Remember how bad it was when flash first got popular and every site under the sun included it in all sorts of funny ways.Well it will be nothing compared to blogs with 3d dancing letters and Hampster dances that will run all around and try to nibble on your cords.
Indeed , I look at it like this though . ...then having to deal with the PHBs.
I would rather spend at most a couple of hours at the weekend securing my systems , than spending a very stressfull monday(perhaps a few other days aswell) restoring a comprimised system or systems
Alot of the time these vunerabilitys are discoverd by Black-hats , so there is no real way of containing the info as it will slip into the community. So imediate disclosure of known vunerabilitys really does help.
I do agree , I just have a rather large aversion to using lawyers . .
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I look at it like this..
He has given into the presure of the community with only the threat of using the lawyers , This says alot about the percived strength of GPL in a legal setting
SCO on the other hand struck first attempting to exploit the GPL with patent litegation and license fees, Legal action here was unavoidable and was used (Rightly so).
Perhaps i am being a little soft here
I agree He should be made to comply with the GPL and release his changes back , I would just like to see it done without the lawyers.
Though that may perhaps be unavoiadable if we are to persue this.
Pressure has made him so far remove it from sale and kill the project , so perhaps a little more can make him fully comply with the GPL
I know this would perhaps not be the best outcome in a legal sense , but it would definantly be very welcome and save alot of people alot of stress
Though i can totaly see your point
I agree partly ,however .The weekend is also a peak time for skript kiddies what with no school/work and the servers being perhaps unatended . .
A critical vunerability in a server needs to be seen to as soon as possible , waiting till monday may mean that we get a couple of days rest , It also means that our server is vunerable for those days
Hm , in that case . Do you or your freind have any idea if they will be bringing out a linux port of the binarys anywhere around the release date. It would be great to have a linux native version on the CD , its using a modified Doom 3 engine( as is my understanding) so im sure there is some hope of this.
too true , and you can infact run the unix base of OS X on x86 http://www.opendarwin.org/ without the aid of an emulator.
What i find to be the charm of OS X is the coupling of a great unix core with a charming GUI and the applications therein(naturaly also the frameworks aswell)
If all you care about is the unix base in os x then opendarwin is progresing steadily ( http://www.xdarwin.org/about/ may also be of intrest)
Hes a plagerist , though I consider plagerism as reprehensible as theft. .The GPL ideals are about the freedom of the code and about keeping it free .What he did was restrict the freedoms of the code, plagerised the pearPC teams hard work and he did not return any changes he had made .
.The target audiance are most likely people who wouldnt want to or perhaps don't know how to compile from source and most likely want support for the product beyond IRC and forums.
I suppose though , plagerism could fall under the bracket of theft(pure semantics)
Its seems rather silly to me , All he would have needed to do would be to return changes and provide source code
There is no shame in continuing on from others work, it seems to me to be a pure ego thing in denying he got some code(or all the code) from the PearPC project.
I wouldn't myself call him a thief though , as from what i can tell we havn't lost anything bar his contribution to the GPL work.
Sometimes its better to just let things go . Sure a case may have ment another Test of the GPL in court , but it would also mean the folks behind PearPC would have less time to hack away at the code.
.Far better this I say than making a few more lawyers rich off of IP litegation.
With the demise of CherryOS , most likely from the presure of the aligations, We can rest easy for now . It may not be an ideal victory , but a victory non the less
It atleast shows that the community and the GPL are begining to hold alot more sway
If you notice the grandparent said he was not fammiliar with OS X so i assume he is also not fammiliar with the Apple OS in general .
Fair enough i could have said menu bar , but if he is more fammilar with windows or even a DE like KDE ( i know you can have KDE put the menu bar at the top aswell) he may have been looking at a finder window trying to see where it was.
A little system literacy is always good , but it never hurts to try and simplfy things for people.
you can do so from the top bar. .
on finder select Go from the top bar then "connect to server" to then you can just adress it like smb://*IPaddy-or-server name*/*Share-directory*/ (or you can press command+k to open up the screen then do the same)
You can also use samba on the command line if your more comfertable there.
no , Curby is a freind of mine from another site .No way i could prove that to you , But since i already admited i screwed-up and posted an apoligy its all water under the bridge . I will say sorry to you aswell as obviously i have made a negative impresion on you in a moment of weakness.
Better apoligise i got a bit irate there , It happens and a big man can admit he was wrong .Yes i was in the wrong. ,mostly i use Debian) I get sick fed up of people bringing out the "zelouts" card and it frankly turns me into a bit of a zelout , well i get defensive . .
:P this will teach me to proff read i guess)
Though i was honestly not trying to troll in the grandparent , i do apoligise if it seems that way.
As an apple user (partly
Its natural to defend something you spend a great deal of time on
So perhaps im not a zelout , perhaps i was just annoyed at constantly hearing the line that all apple users are zelouts.
On the issue , yes apple has a problem here. It will be fixed soon hopefully for now there are work-arounds.
(btw yes it was a typ-o not a click-o i was posting as myself .
(/Big-man-says-sorry mode)
It does give a more detailed output. for example when i try to connect to my existant SMB share it gives meI would have given an example of the error output from the specific problem , but i am doing some work on the linux comp that runs my nfs and samba shares right now
how the funk is that a troll ,damm mods grow up . .
He was only responding to the parent with a question and awnser.
Since when is the truth a troll , and it dosn't sound insulting to me
Im sorry are MS marketing being paid to moderate or something.
Fair enough . If you would be willing to supply with me a copy of 2003 server and a machine to run it on , well two machines one for redhat(I will also require a copy of redhat).
identical hardware(hardware must be fully supported under both OSs).
The tweaks will be applied evenly and both OSs will be fully patched.
The setups will use php (modphp not cgi).
As opposed to having an insanly stupid set-up on redhat and having windows 2003 server contain every tweak under the sun bar painting go-faster stripes on the box.
um .. what has not being able to properly connect to a SAMBA share got to do with stability.Tiger is very very stable i have not had one OS crash (a few programs have but they were built for 10.3 and the updated version run fine)
.Then quite rightly, there would have been a hell of an uproar.
The fault here is in interoperability with a Microsoft SMB share (no such problem with NFS) and there is an easy work around (you just point to the share directly).
Had this been about microsoft products not connecting to a SAMBA share properly