And my Slashdot ID is a quarter of what yours is.:-)
I recently adopted a 'real name' Slashdot identity. Its kinda cool and no, I haven't had any unexpected visitors in black visit in real life as a result.
I've been around here since 1999. Do you say:
"Mae Ling Mak, naked and petrified"
or are you one of the newbies after the Natalie Portman conversion? (did Mae Ling Mak sue the trolls to get that changeover??)
I've been a 'PC Guy' since I abandoned my CP/M system with 8" floppy drives for the big 64K to 640K memory upgrade. Sometimes I wish I could go back.
I apologize for the tone of my earlier response. I was 'defending' Microsoft for their NT POSIXness, which looking back now, was ludicrous.
I am a licensee (I bought a copy) of Interix direct from Softway Systems before they were taken over by Microsoft. I also purchased Microsoft Interix after the acquisition. It is clearly an instance of Microsoft 'castrating' Interix, as the Softway version has utilities and features that Microsoft excised. Interestingly, as a licencee of Interix before the Microsoft acqusition, I received the letter from the president of Softway Systems, who was 'swallowed up' by Microsoft, where he asked the Interix user community if they should 'Open Source' Interix. (I suspect Microsoft would have had a STRONG opinion about someone releasing the source for an NT Subsystem that rides directly on the NT kernel, and as a result documenting said interface!) I suspect the world would be slightly different if the Interix community (as it were) had risen to the opportunity and said 'YES, release the source.' Incidentally, there was a period when Softway Systems was marketing Interix with the language: 'Run Linux on your NT system.' Meaning run Linux programs compiled from source, actually.
There is a progressive 'deballing' that went on as Microsoft moved in and castrated Interix:
Interix from Softway Systems- included a full version of Motif including Motif libraries and stub code, etc. Also included the Hummingbird Exceed X11 server.
Interix from Microsoft- cut back, some of the userland (i.e. the vi editor) excised.
Services For Unix- cut back even further.
The original Softway Interix will run on Windows 2000. Also interesting is that it includes binaries for both NT x86 and NT Alpha. So Interix also works on NT Alpha. I don't recall if Microsoft Interix included Alpha binaries...
Further interesting is that the GNU toolchain, including the Gnu C Compiler, was bundled with Interix, both the Softway and the Microsoft release. There is something slightly amusing/disturbing about a popup of the GNU License notification happening when you're installing something from a Microsft branded CDROM.
That link to the 'obsolete-test-platform-ship on which the Navy beta-tested some new userland code, which crashed and burned) is essentially a goatse-grade link at this point in history. Tired, tired. Come up with something new, okay?
(I know this, I was at an internal presentation where "Margaret" prefaced the presentation with the comments, "We are only doing POSIX as a checkbox, so we can get government contracts..." (I am not making this up.))
Yes, but they then licensed access to the NT kernel source to Softway Systems and let them produce Interix (initially called OpenNT,) which is a full POSIX userland and seamlessly replaces the 'stock' POSIX subsystem.
Microsoft eventually purchased Softway Systems and made the POSIX userland/subsystem, which formerly was a for-pay addin to NT, a free download called Services For Unix.
Also, Microsoft didn't release a POSIX userland, but other people got working at the code, and the essential GNU toolchain was ported to NT very early on.
So you tell only a little slice of the story, designed to make Microsoft look as bad as possible. Holding a grudge for some untold reason??
Wow. So Steve Jobs is a 'brand', just like the fricking bitmap of Peter Norton on certain Symantec products, and the new 'jive-ass' talkin' Colonel Sanders cartoon in Kentucky Fried Chicken commercials?
They need to do a better job of developing their branding, then. He comes off like an asshole to a lot of us. At least the Sanders and Norton 'brands' come off as likeable, sorta.
Is there substancial evidence in said 'book' that Adam Smith was a con-artist? Did it reveal him as spiteful and capricious? Did Adam Smith retaliate in a spiteful fashion?
So you're saying that uncomplimentary books about Pinochet (the bloody former dictator from Chile) are morally wrong?
Wow. You either live in a world with twisted logic, or you're part of the cult-of-Apple, and reacting in a similar fashion to how a Scientologist acts about books uncomplimentary to Elron.
This is completely understandable, the cover of the book is pretty much saying I, Con Artist. No wonder Apple doesnt want a book on its shelves more or less calling its CEO a con man.
Completely understandable. What does this have to do with the other books that Wiley publishes?
There have been starry-eyed yearlings like you around for decades. I once went for more than a whole year only using Linux (aprox. 1998-99.) I thought it was the cat's pajamas...
Don't say you'll 'never' go back. That's one of those big expensive words.
Hell, Apple may even find out that Apple needs to sell Wiley books in it's stores.
I doubt it. Buying books at the Apple Store is kinda like buying shoe polish at a shoe store. It's not what you went into the store to by, and they probably have it at full list price.
This is a fabricated news story. How did it get out that Apple is dropping Wiley books? Could it be because Apple decided to make it a big public matter?
I've always disliked Apple Computer in certain ways, but have kept well-read on their history. I've read the Guy Kawasaki book, the Spindler book, the the Scully book (the first guy associated with Apple who 'sold sugar water'- Jobs is now 'selling sugar water' too, i.e. the iTunes bottlecap deal with Pepsi). It's a weird loopy company history. But then I like that sort of reading sometimes. Shit, I once read the 'authorized' biography of the founder of Panasonic!
Actually, if you read any business history of early Apple Computer, you learn that when Jobs would walk into a meeting at the company, he would fuck up the meeting immensely. Wise people within the company learned how to manouvre around Jobs and make Apple a successful company in spite of him.
I worked in a similar company with a 'genius founder' awhile back. It's a fairly common phenomenon. The Wunderkind Founder phenomenon is mostly an urban legend.
In this day and age, I believe that you would probably be watched closer if you were american and looking at chinese sites than if you were chinese and looking at american sites.
Similarly, in the 1930's, 40's, and 50's, you would be watched more closely if you were an American and looking into Soviet Gulags than you would if you were a Russian and looking at American amusement parks.
I liked the Christmas Special. Not for it's dramatic quality, mind you. It's a cool 'relic' of television of that era. Kind of like opening up a clock radio from 1977 and noticing how many complex parts and secondary operations went into it's manufacture. Things, meaning movies, and manufactured goods, have gotten 'slicker' since then.
When you said 'payback for his fans' what came to my mind immediately, since you'd said 'two decades of his life' was that his 'fans' would want two decades of THEIR life back from him.
But shucks, this is a trekkie thread (or whatever Star Wars folks call themselves) so I'd better wince and duck.
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Huh?
I've installed and booted up Darwin.
Where are all the pretty pictures??
All the 'we' makes him look like a member of a frickin' borg collective. It's really that simple.
Yet another reason Apple is wrong in claiming 'a UNIX core' to their OS.
There is seldom, if ever, a 'single right way' to accomplish a task. The Unix philosophy is for there to be many valid and well-characterized ways.
This just demonstrates how wildly Apple differs from the classic Unix philosophy.
Use NetBSD. OpenBSD doesn't have a user focus, it's got a firewall/connectivity focus.
And I can remember when it was 'They are close to having a press release ready at Transmeta.'
Comes around, goes around, etc.
The whole experience is a bit surreal, like passing into a 60's music video.
There weren't 'music videos' in the 60's.
And I'm not sure why you think everybody wants to confront psychedelic experiences on the horizon. Many people probably don't.
And my Slashdot ID is a quarter of what yours is. :-)
I recently adopted a 'real name' Slashdot identity. Its kinda cool and no, I haven't had any unexpected visitors in black visit in real life as a result.
I've been around here since 1999. Do you say:
"Mae Ling Mak, naked and petrified"
or are you one of the newbies after the Natalie Portman conversion? (did Mae Ling Mak sue the trolls to get that changeover??)
I've been a 'PC Guy' since I abandoned my CP/M system with 8" floppy drives for the big 64K to 640K memory upgrade. Sometimes I wish I could go back.
I apologize for the tone of my earlier response. I was 'defending' Microsoft for their NT POSIXness, which looking back now, was ludicrous.
I am a licensee (I bought a copy) of Interix direct from Softway Systems before they were taken over by Microsoft. I also purchased Microsoft Interix after the acquisition. It is clearly an instance of Microsoft 'castrating' Interix, as the Softway version has utilities and features that Microsoft excised. Interestingly, as a licencee of Interix before the Microsoft acqusition, I received the letter from the president of Softway Systems, who was 'swallowed up' by Microsoft, where he asked the Interix user community if they should 'Open Source' Interix. (I suspect Microsoft would have had a STRONG opinion about someone releasing the source for an NT Subsystem that rides directly on the NT kernel, and as a result documenting said interface!) I suspect the world would be slightly different if the Interix community (as it were) had risen to the opportunity and said 'YES, release the source.' Incidentally, there was a period when Softway Systems was marketing Interix with the language: 'Run Linux on your NT system.' Meaning run Linux programs compiled from source, actually.
There is a progressive 'deballing' that went on as Microsoft moved in and castrated Interix:
Interix from Softway Systems- included a full version of Motif including Motif libraries and stub code, etc. Also included the Hummingbird Exceed X11 server.
Interix from Microsoft- cut back, some of the userland (i.e. the vi editor) excised.
Services For Unix- cut back even further.
The original Softway Interix will run on Windows 2000. Also interesting is that it includes binaries for both NT x86 and NT Alpha. So Interix also works on NT Alpha. I don't recall if Microsoft Interix included Alpha binaries...
Further interesting is that the GNU toolchain, including the Gnu C Compiler, was bundled with Interix, both the Softway and the Microsoft release. There is something slightly amusing/disturbing about a popup of the GNU License notification happening when you're installing something from a Microsft branded CDROM.
That link to the 'obsolete-test-platform-ship on which the Navy beta-tested some new userland code, which crashed and burned) is essentially a goatse-grade link at this point in history. Tired, tired. Come up with something new, okay?
(I know this, I was at an internal presentation where "Margaret" prefaced the presentation with the comments, "We are only doing POSIX as a checkbox, so we can get government contracts..." (I am not making this up.))
Yes, but they then licensed access to the NT kernel source to Softway Systems and let them produce Interix (initially called OpenNT,) which is a full POSIX userland and seamlessly replaces the 'stock' POSIX subsystem.
Microsoft eventually purchased Softway Systems and made the POSIX userland/subsystem, which formerly was a for-pay addin to NT, a free download called Services For Unix.
Also, Microsoft didn't release a POSIX userland, but other people got working at the code, and the essential GNU toolchain was ported to NT very early on.
So you tell only a little slice of the story, designed to make Microsoft look as bad as possible. Holding a grudge for some untold reason??
One small typo in your comment, which I've corrected:
One thing's for sure, everyone says "Open Source", so they have misled the masses ergo they must be leaders.
Learn not to mix terminology (Open Source Software/Free Software) so loosely.
And the Macintosh Bible. And a lot of other good titles. Wiley isn't exactly a pulpy Ziff-Davis drivel mill, ya know.
Apple has a specific brand to protect.
Wow. So Steve Jobs is a 'brand', just like the fricking bitmap of Peter Norton on certain Symantec products, and the new 'jive-ass' talkin' Colonel Sanders cartoon in Kentucky Fried Chicken commercials?
They need to do a better job of developing their branding, then. He comes off like an asshole to a lot of us. At least the Sanders and Norton 'brands' come off as likeable, sorta.
Is there substancial evidence in said 'book' that Adam Smith was a con-artist? Did it reveal him as spiteful and capricious? Did Adam Smith retaliate in a spiteful fashion?
Let's face it. This is all pretty damn funny.
So you're saying that uncomplimentary books about Pinochet (the bloody former dictator from Chile) are morally wrong?
Wow. You either live in a world with twisted logic, or you're part of the cult-of-Apple, and reacting in a similar fashion to how a Scientologist acts about books uncomplimentary to Elron.
This is completely understandable, the cover of the book is pretty much saying I, Con Artist. No wonder Apple doesnt want a book on its shelves more or less calling its CEO a con man.
Completely understandable. What does this have to do with the other books that Wiley publishes?
There have been starry-eyed yearlings like you around for decades. I once went for more than a whole year only using Linux (aprox. 1998-99.) I thought it was the cat's pajamas...
Don't say you'll 'never' go back. That's one of those big expensive words.
Hell, Apple may even find out that Apple needs to sell Wiley books in it's stores.
I doubt it. Buying books at the Apple Store is kinda like buying shoe polish at a shoe store. It's not what you went into the store to by, and they probably have it at full list price.
This is a fabricated news story. How did it get out that Apple is dropping Wiley books? Could it be because Apple decided to make it a big public matter?
I already preordered my copy.
I've always disliked Apple Computer in certain ways, but have kept well-read on their history. I've read the Guy Kawasaki book, the Spindler book, the the Scully book (the first guy associated with Apple who 'sold sugar water'- Jobs is now 'selling sugar water' too, i.e. the iTunes bottlecap deal with Pepsi). It's a weird loopy company history. But then I like that sort of reading sometimes. Shit, I once read the 'authorized' biography of the founder of Panasonic!
Actually, if you read any business history of early Apple Computer, you learn that when Jobs would walk into a meeting at the company, he would fuck up the meeting immensely. Wise people within the company learned how to manouvre around Jobs and make Apple a successful company in spite of him.
I worked in a similar company with a 'genius founder' awhile back. It's a fairly common phenomenon. The Wunderkind Founder phenomenon is mostly an urban legend.
When the US Govt. has starved a number of it's own citizens that reaches seven figures, come on back with your point.
In this day and age, I believe that you would probably be watched closer if you were american and looking at chinese sites than if you were chinese and looking at american sites.
Similarly, in the 1930's, 40's, and 50's, you would be watched more closely if you were an American and looking into Soviet Gulags than you would if you were a Russian and looking at American amusement parks.
Maserati?
Naw. Microsoft may be the Chevy of companies, but that makes Apple...... Buick.
I liked the Christmas Special. Not for it's dramatic quality, mind you. It's a cool 'relic' of television of that era. Kind of like opening up a clock radio from 1977 and noticing how many complex parts and secondary operations went into it's manufacture. Things, meaning movies, and manufactured goods, have gotten 'slicker' since then.
When you said 'payback for his fans' what came to my mind immediately, since you'd said 'two decades of his life' was that his 'fans' would want two decades of THEIR life back from him.
But shucks, this is a trekkie thread (or whatever Star Wars folks call themselves) so I'd better wince and duck.