And two cameras a mile apart are clearly separate incidents-- it's likely that more than a minute separated your violations. You could even be on a different freeway after a mile.
It is only social convention that stops them from doing this.
That's why we have judges-- they are supposed to balance the law so justice results. It wouldn't be fair to give someone 17 speeding tickets in one day. It wouldn't happen if the police stop you because you would drive slower after getting a speeding ticket (at least if you are normal and even an idiot would be careful after a second ticket).
But speeding cameras don't have a human in the loop. The only reason this doesn't happen is that a human doesn't put out multiple speeding cameras in the same area.
However, currently getting multiple tickets in one day for different incidents is rare. Apparently multiple tickets can arrive on the same day (weekly batch?) but I was unable to find anything concrete in my states legal code on this. It may be specified in policy manuals not on the web.
I do know that on the main freeway I drive in on, there are often 5 to 7 police over an 8 mile stretch (one after each hump). If you were an idiot, you could probably manage to get ticketed by half of them in one drive.
In any case, getting a ticket doesn't make you immune to getting another ticket for any period. if you break the law again, you can be ticketed again.
I agree there is a gray area here between: a police officer pulls you over, tickets you, you speed away, the same officer or a new one stops you and gives you another speeding ticket very shortly after the prior one AND you speed by a speeding camera and then a short distance later you speed by another speeding camera. It's possible they would "wrap up" the two tickets into one ticket. I could not find a clear answer to that question.
I do want to thank you and others who didn't fall on the atrocious typos in my posts today and instead focused on the arguments. I guess I'm pretty distracted right now.
I'm sure some parts of your argument are valid But - and I am only saying this because I care, there are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing.
Not sure about your local jurisdiction of course but... http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Motoring/Road-rules/Question591380.html Hi, I was recently caught by a mobile speed camera just before the junction of a 30 to 40mph zone at 38mph twice within the space of 30 minutes. Can these two instances be regarded as one offense? No, it is two separate offences.
And it looks like in some cases, the officer can ticket you twice in the same stop for two different speeding violations. Cool, huh?
Getting a ticket does not give you immunity from another ticket for the same offense for any period of time. You can be ticketed as you drive away from the policeman who just gave you an incident.
The major (presumably a valid password agent) asked for the password over an open speakerphone while in the presence of a half dozen other people who were not valid password agents.
The boss did something similar (asking for the password to be given to him in an invalid manner).
Childs was screwed no matter what he did. Was he paranoid and did he overreact (probably).
Is the punishment legal? (sure), fair? (obviously not).
It's legal to give you a ticket for doing 66 in a 65. And to do so with cameras so you don't even know you got it. And to give you another ticket another mile down the road for the same crime-- every mile all the way home.
There are lots of things that are legal but not right.
Childs was made an example of.
The lesson learned is... you don't want to work for the government without a strong union and clear policies backing you.
Thank you. I'll give that a shot. It looks like the printer has a static ip setting. Going to wait until I'm rested since I'll probably have to update the drivers one last time.
All news is hideously biased now. Left or right.. all pro-corporation.
A lot of the pieces are filmed or written by the corporations and then handed to the news organizations (just like they write laws and hand them to congress).
I'm just going to coast out my last 25 years on the planet unless things change.
And yet, according to a genetic study 80% of women have reproduced while only 40% of men reproduced. 60% died without ever reproducing. Until recently, the winners reproduced and the losers didn't. But even women losers managed to reproduce most the time.
Polygamy (formal as wives or informal as lovers/mistresses) is very common for the wealthy now and in the past.
I was sent ot dale carnegie class by my work and I changed slightly from an INTP to an ENTP. I think I used to be 60/40 I/E and now I'm a 48%/52% I/E (or results around that range when I take tests).
The training gave me skills that made new people less painful for me so I started to value meeting new people over spending time alone.
If there are 100 tickets to a concert and 99 of us want them, they will go cheap. If there are 100 tickets to a concert and 103 of us want them, they may get very expensive.
Listen, wages will average out between our countries- nothing can stop that. They will come up and we will stagnate or go down.
Anyway, all of this ignores an upcoming surge of inexpensive robotic labor which will decimate manual labor jobs.
Continuing from above, if the demand for math degrees is 1% of the population and.5% have one, then pay will be good- if 1.5% have one, pay will decline.
It's really a black swan event. In 50 years, there will not be work for a significant percentage of the population. It's a productivity revolution for all manual jobs that will exceed that of the farm productivity changes of the last century. It is going to take time to figure out new ways to deal with this.
Bidding up college degrees to a lifetime's income to be one of a glut of grads with degrees who can't even find work isn't the answer.
Say my game would sell 1000 copies on a completely locked down system. And my game sells 1000 copies and 9000 people pirate it on a DRM free system.
Did I lose anything?
What if my game sold 1050 copies and 8950 people pirated it?
People have a fixed amount to spend on entertainment. It costs about $10,000 to fill a frikin iphone/ipod these days. Once joey spends his $50 a month on product, it is not costing the content creator a dime of real money if Joey then pirates other products above the $50 a month (unless it lowers his spending below $50 later).
Extending your logic, it's clear that if my continued existence will cause you to die (as happens in shortage situations) then either you or I have no right to life.
So the only rights we have are to try. We can try to escape, try to live, try to obtain property.
The fact is most things we consider rights are granted by us to ourselves as a group.
And all the philosophy in the world won't stop a person with a rock or stick in their hand from taking everything you have including your life.
The elite of our society have lost track of this fact. They have won a war of words so far, but once enough people are hurting, we'll see civil unrest. At some point, we'll stop attacking ourselves and target the wealthy (as has happened over and over throughout history). A few will escape, a few will merely lose everything they have, a lot will not do so well.
Hopefully, this happens after I'm dead because it's no good for anyone. As the wealthy own both political parties in the U.S., I don't see much hope for things rebalancing but there is still a chance.
ebook readers are going to have to be under $20 before I'm going to be willing to sit on a beach chair with one reading a book. not to mention being able to see a damn thing in full sunlight (even sitting under an unbrella).
These subcultures have some destructive tendencies (getting an education is 'acting white', promiscuity combined with lack of contraceptives many potential better lives).
My mom didn't finish high school. I finished college and have a good career.
But you highlight the problem yourself, "A black from the ghetto probably has more chance of making it as an athlete than a Wall-Street big-shot."
The last two generations to some extent but certainly many people 24 and under have developed extremely unrealistic expectations. I don't know if it is television showing beautiful people with glasses are ugly or "middle class" houses are 750k mansions with three kids who all have cars and both parents make mid 6 figure incomes.
It doesn't work that way in real life. That's the top 5% of the population. I.e. 95% of the population isn't going to make it.
But young people join companies and expect to be promoted in a couple years - to lead a department or be a big executive by the time they are 30. And are often unwilling to work on ordinary assignments.
Even the nerdiest male alive today is the descendants of hundreds (thousands?) of male winners. Something like 60% of men throughout history did not reproduce (as opposed to about 20% of females).
The males who did well were the leaders (dozens of wives and scores to hundreds of offspring) and those who took a bold risk and became leaders.
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And two cameras a mile apart are clearly separate incidents-- it's likely that more than a minute separated your violations. You could even be on a different freeway after a mile.
It is only social convention that stops them from doing this.
That's why we have judges-- they are supposed to balance the law so justice results. It wouldn't be fair to give someone 17 speeding tickets in one day. It wouldn't happen if the police stop you because you would drive slower after getting a speeding ticket (at least if you are normal and even an idiot would be careful after a second ticket).
But speeding cameras don't have a human in the loop. The only reason this doesn't happen is that a human doesn't put out multiple speeding cameras in the same area.
However, currently getting multiple tickets in one day for different incidents is rare. Apparently multiple tickets can arrive on the same day (weekly batch?) but I was unable to find anything concrete in my states legal code on this. It may be specified in policy manuals not on the web.
I do know that on the main freeway I drive in on, there are often 5 to 7 police over an 8 mile stretch (one after each hump). If you were an idiot, you could probably manage to get ticketed by half of them in one drive.
In any case, getting a ticket doesn't make you immune to getting another ticket for any period. if you break the law again, you can be ticketed again.
I agree there is a gray area here between: a police officer pulls you over, tickets you, you speed away, the same officer or a new one stops you and gives you another speeding ticket very shortly after the prior one AND you speed by a speeding camera and then a short distance later you speed by another speeding camera. It's possible they would "wrap up" the two tickets into one ticket. I could not find a clear answer to that question.
I do want to thank you and others who didn't fall on the atrocious typos in my posts today and instead focused on the arguments. I guess I'm pretty distracted right now.
I'm sure some parts of your argument are valid But - and I am only saying this because I care, there are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing.
Not sure about your local jurisdiction of course but...
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Motoring/Road-rules/Question591380.html
Hi, I was recently caught by a mobile speed camera just before the junction of a 30 to 40mph zone at 38mph twice within the space of 30 minutes. Can these two instances be regarded as one offense?
No, it is two separate offences.
And it looks like in some cases, the officer can ticket you twice in the same stop for two different speeding violations. Cool, huh?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070716094658AA0fomT
Getting a ticket does not give you immunity from another ticket for the same offense for any period of time.
You can be ticketed as you drive away from the policeman who just gave you an incident.
The major (presumably a valid password agent) asked for the password over an open speakerphone while in the presence of a half dozen other people who were not valid password agents.
The boss did something similar (asking for the password to be given to him in an invalid manner).
Childs was screwed no matter what he did. Was he paranoid and did he overreact (probably).
Is the punishment legal? (sure), fair? (obviously not).
It's legal to give you a ticket for doing 66 in a 65. And to do so with cameras so you don't even know you got it. And to give you another ticket another mile down the road for the same crime-- every mile all the way home.
There are lots of things that are legal but not right.
Childs was made an example of.
The lesson learned is... you don't want to work for the government without a strong union and clear policies backing you.
Thank you. I'll give that a shot. It looks like the printer has a static ip setting.
Going to wait until I'm rested since I'll probably have to update the drivers one last time.
I might be interested in them again.
All news is hideously biased now. Left or right.. all pro-corporation.
A lot of the pieces are filmed or written by the corporations and then handed to the news organizations (just like they write laws and hand them to congress).
I'm just going to coast out my last 25 years on the planet unless things change.
Unfortunately, my current router doesn't seem to offer fixed address as an option. Perhaps I need to replace it. It is fairly old (6 years?).
The computers are XP, Vista, and Win7.
They are fine- the printer is an issue tho it is easy to address when things reboot.
This is very helpful!
Can I post here the next time I am having trouble finding a driver?
I'm currently using a SAMSUNG 610N.
it's frustrating because it assumes your I.P. address will NEVER change.
Of course a few time a year there is a power outage and the addresses change so then I have to manually tweak the driver with th new IP address.
Hmmm. Perhaps i need to put the printer and the router on a UPS. Of course then I might forget the fix.
And yet, according to a genetic study 80% of women have reproduced while only 40% of men reproduced. 60% died without ever reproducing. Until recently, the winners reproduced and the losers didn't. But even women losers managed to reproduce most the time.
Polygamy (formal as wives or informal as lovers/mistresses) is very common for the wealthy now and in the past.
And yet, it's not food. People don't go apeshit over it.
Humans can't eat gold.
When humans find they can't trade the paper for food, they tend to go apeshit.
I was sent ot dale carnegie class by my work and I changed slightly from an INTP to an ENTP.
I think I used to be 60/40 I/E and now I'm a 48%/52% I/E (or results around that range when I take tests).
The training gave me skills that made new people less painful for me so I started to value meeting new people over spending time alone.
If there are 100 tickets to a concert and 99 of us want them, they will go cheap.
If there are 100 tickets to a concert and 103 of us want them, they may get very expensive.
Listen, wages will average out between our countries- nothing can stop that. They will come up and we will stagnate or go down.
Anyway, all of this ignores an upcoming surge of inexpensive robotic labor which will decimate manual labor jobs.
Continuing from above, if the demand for math degrees is 1% of the population and .5% have one, then pay will be good- if 1.5% have one, pay will decline.
It's really a black swan event. In 50 years, there will not be work for a significant percentage of the population. It's a productivity revolution for all manual jobs that will exceed that of the farm productivity changes of the last century. It is going to take time to figure out new ways to deal with this.
Bidding up college degrees to a lifetime's income to be one of a glut of grads with degrees who can't even find work isn't the answer.
Say my game would sell 1000 copies on a completely locked down system.
And my game sells 1000 copies and 9000 people pirate it on a DRM free system.
Did I lose anything?
What if my game sold 1050 copies and 8950 people pirated it?
People have a fixed amount to spend on entertainment. It costs about $10,000 to fill a frikin iphone/ipod these days.
Once joey spends his $50 a month on product, it is not costing the content creator a dime of real money if Joey then pirates other products above the $50 a month (unless it lowers his spending below $50 later).
The original Kindle didn't have enough contrast for me and I haven't looked at them since.
But if that is fixed then, all we need is the better price point then.
Well Done, Sarcastic Boy!
Now, off to the Alliteration Mobile!
Nanananannanana
Extending your logic, it's clear that if my continued existence will cause you to die (as happens in shortage situations) then either you or I have no right to life.
So the only rights we have are to try.
We can try to escape, try to live, try to obtain property.
The fact is most things we consider rights are granted by us to ourselves as a group.
And all the philosophy in the world won't stop a person with a rock or stick in their hand from taking everything you have including your life.
The elite of our society have lost track of this fact. They have won a war of words so far, but once enough people are hurting, we'll see civil unrest. At some point, we'll stop attacking ourselves and target the wealthy (as has happened over and over throughout history). A few will escape, a few will merely lose everything they have, a lot will not do so well.
Hopefully, this happens after I'm dead because it's no good for anyone. As the wealthy own both political parties in the U.S., I don't see much hope for things rebalancing but there is still a chance.
ebook readers are going to have to be under $20 before I'm going to be willing to sit on a beach chair with one reading a book. not to mention being able to see a damn thing in full sunlight (even sitting under an unbrella).
Many poor people who apply themselves do well.
Not applying yourself makes it certain.
These subcultures have some destructive tendencies (getting an education is 'acting white', promiscuity combined with lack of contraceptives many potential better lives).
My mom didn't finish high school. I finished college and have a good career.
But you highlight the problem yourself, "A black from the ghetto probably has more chance of making it as an athlete than a Wall-Street big-shot."
The last two generations to some extent but certainly many people 24 and under have developed extremely unrealistic expectations. I don't know if it is television showing beautiful people with glasses are ugly or "middle class" houses are 750k mansions with three kids who all have cars and both parents make mid 6 figure incomes.
It doesn't work that way in real life. That's the top 5% of the population. I.e. 95% of the population isn't going to make it.
But young people join companies and expect to be promoted in a couple years - to lead a department or be a big executive by the time they are 30. And are often unwilling to work on ordinary assignments.
That's not realistic.
Even the nerdiest male alive today is the descendants of hundreds (thousands?) of male winners. Something like 60% of men throughout history did not reproduce (as opposed to about 20% of females).
The males who did well were the leaders (dozens of wives and scores to hundreds of offspring) and those who took a bold risk and became leaders.
In the companies I've been in, the people there 30 years have the better positions, and their children are predestined for promotion.
Same advice applies. It's a rare company where paying your dues doesn't matter.
And other than the DKP issue, the guilds were fine pleasant places to "work".
Under the DKP systems I've seen, the older people typically have multi thousand point balances while the newer people have negative balances.
First choice goes to the highest positive balance people.
The officers are usually founders and all have high DKP balances.
Guilds pay you raid points, DKP, lager points, etc.
You use these points to buy equipment with.
The senior workers get the better offices and so on.
If you dislike the conditions, you leave and found a new guild where you are senior.
Other than some kind of point system, there is no fair way to distribute rare items.