My congresswoman (Davis, R, VA) came to my school. She was a fucking clod. She had no clue what I was talking about -- thought that it was about Napster. She wouldn't answer anyone else's questions, just rehashed them and called them answers. So, I stood up and shouted at her "you suck, I'm never gunna vote for you!" The only reason she got elected was because the NRA put so much money into her -- and then only 'cause the other guy was a constitution-hating gun-nabber. I think the hardest part about this battle is that they are so uninformed. They sit in their little committees and have no clue what goes on out side of that. They just vote based on the reccomendation of the committee -- and even then along party lines, in most cases.
I saw them both. They were both pretty good, however, I for one prefered Spiderman simply because it's the first movie i've ever seen with a downtrodden geek standing up for other downtrodden geeks, or downtrodden in gerneral, that did not have to do with being an l3et0 h4x0r, or was Antitrust. I'm still not sure that i've got a handle on that movie.
Can't we do a class-action against the branches of the Federal Government for passing these laws enabling these associations to prop up monopolies? That can't be any better than Microsoft being Microsoft. Arn't tarrifs "engaging in anti-competetive business practices," too, just like the Microsoft Tax?
"...--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
That comment does make sence. You don't have to pay for it. There are no advertisements like with AIM. You don't get random crap sent to you like with ICQ. But I wasn't aware that not liking unsolicited solicitations made me even more l3et0 than before.
When they fought the soviets, they did drugs that let them continue fireing in a meaninful way a good pace after they legitamtely should have been dead (i heard this on Fox News a few weeks ago).
When we fought the VC, all the electronic sensors, anti-personel mines, agent orange, napalm, B-52 strikes, and high training didn't amount to a hill of beans when fighting against an enemy that lived their whole life in those woods, knew where everything was, and needed far less to live off of.
In war, simpler is better often. The Ak-47 has much fewer moving parts than the M-16. An AK-47 left in a rice patty for a few days will still fire. An M-16 needs to be cleaned practicly every time it gets wet...they clog too much. Dust does this to them too.
All the technology in the world isn't going to do a whole lot of anything to an enemy that knows all the hiding places, is fighting for their home, and especialy, is on PCP. The Taliban, United Front (aka Northern Aliance) and other factions of the left-over, CIA-trained and funded, anti-soviet groups, are battle hardend since the 70s, and their new guys have grown up in a battle-hardend environment. Joe Blow GI that joined the army 'cause he's too dumb to do anything else doesn't really know what it's like to live under fire for years on end, starving, with equipment older than themselves they still manage to make work, etc.
If we invade, they have all the advantages. I've also heard talk of going after Iran or Iraq next. They are run by extreamist governments that actualy have funding. Iraq's air defences have actualy gotten pretty decent lately. Before the gulf war, their army had a strength of about 1,000,000. Sadam's had 10 years to rebuild that. He's used chemical weapons against his own subjects, and one can be damned straight he'll use them if we invade. Iran started the whole Islamic-fundimentalist trend (according, again, to some weirdo nuke freak that was on Fox News). They'll likely fight harder than all the others.
And let's not forget that it's not just the armies of these actualy nations we're dealing with...it's terrorists as well. They have the head start on us. Who knows what they'll do and when. They don't fear for their own lives, and they don't feel for ours. They don't care how many women and children they kill, and the US Army is too week-kneed to pull proper gurilla tactics and sac, burn, and massacre villages/towns that don't support us like the VC did in their own country...and when a SEAL team takes action to prevent the action of precident of some little kid having a frag in her basket of alleged fruite, then they are bad and evil people..blah, blah, blah.
We can't oust regiemes that don't care about their subjects. We can't prevent attacks from people that use simple tactics and don't plan on surviving anyway.
All of these "homeland defence" measures are fascist crap. Most of the things Osama bin Ladin accuses the USA of, we've done. The CIA is an evil, imperialist orginization counter-productive to liberty. And this war is pointless, because we have no advantages which are non-technical. Every action we take is going to further provoke the enemy, and provide an excuse for fascist repunlicans and socialist democrats to take away our liberties, while ignoring the fact that our own actions have put us in this situation. We called Soviet involvment in central america a voilation of the Monroe Doctrine, but we think nothing of propeing up fascist dicators in central america, training men like bin Ladin, and sending thousands of Americans to die in civil wars in soviergn nations?
I argue that is a violation of the foundations upon which this nation was formed.
for about 5 months in junior highschool i carried a not only a towel, but a fully loaded satchle, among other things containing all 5 books in the series, a cricket corkie, a t-82 graphing calculator with "don't panic" airbrushed on the cover, and a star atlas. I'm not sure were i got the cricket corkie...i've never been to england.
I noticed the last name and was wondering if by any chance you are related to Alice in Chains guitarist Jerry Cantrell...of course, it's probably a dumb question.
It's nice to know that GNOME has now obviously become it's own operating system since Dell as chosen not to put BSD or Linux or anything else on there with it to alow it to run...i wonder if i could get EMACS to do this too...
The way I see it, everyone is trying to solve this 'lack of office applications' problems using either KDE or GNOME. However, you call it 'lack of office applications for LINUX'. Both GNOME and KDE are independant of the GNU/Linux system. BSD users use them, people who use other Unicies use them (i remember a shot of GNOME running on an SGI Indy under IRIX a while back on the GNOME web site), and if somone really wanted to they could port an X server and junk to FreeDOS (but only a really sick person would) or somthing. Anyway, the point i'm trying to make is that maybe taking a GNOME- or KDE-based approach is wrong. Gtk+ and Qt are NOT the only toolkits for X that could work. What about Fltk, Motif, etc? Trying to solve this problem by tying the solution to a specific desktop system is wrong, because it doesn't solve the problem for the people who don't use that desktop, or either of them (like me). In the past there has been talk of the KDE and GNOME people getting to gether and sharing work to make the systems more compatible. if it's happend, i've not been paying attention. If it hasn't, it probably wont. Sure the new users of an open-source UNIX clone/version/what ever is policialy correct to day are going to be less likly to learn troff and vi or EMACS or whatever and want to use somthing windows-esc, but forcing them to use either GNOME or KDE to get everything they want because whatever won't work well the the other is wrong. it takes away the freedom of choice that free software, and UNIX in general is all about. Any sort of solution to this problem needs to be able to work well with everything. Since StarOffice is now GPLd, just use it. does it matter? I don't think so. It's independant of both GNOME and KDE, so it's just what is needed. Sure it may lack some features people might want, but they can just add them. Scavanging code to forking off to make some sort of KDE- or GNOME-based version doesn't make a whole lot of sence to me, but what do I know anyway? i'm just a weird BSD-using highschooler who gets no respect from anyone anyway. whatever.
ok, so he's complaining about not being able to make private modifications, when the GPL doesn't allow this either? is he going BSDL then? that'd be a nice turn of events...doubt if anyone would really give a damn either way.
"Uh, no. UNIX was hacked together by K&R just so they had an OS to put an otherwise idle VAX to work." again, no. it was a PDP-10, not a VAX. Bill Joy did the VAX port at Berkeley for 3BSD(i think it was 3BSD anyway).
you're a communist. the GPL is anti-capitalist. The BSD lisence is better. so, i suppose that you wouldn't use Apache then because of the lisence and that the Apache developers tried like, 10 other systems before setling on FreeBSD?
whata great idea! let's all go out and buy someting 'secure' from a government trying to take away our freedoms! then after that we can all have tea with Castro! grr...this is a load of BS. i bet the only reason the NSA is doing this is to take advantage of the popularity of linux and the fact most people are stupid and 'phear' NetBUS to get thousandas of computers with backdoors. not to mention the fact that large amounts of crackers are going to go 'hey! i can break into stuff and wage h4x0r war and no can get l3et0 on my a5$!' thus letting the feds right on into them. as for Linux as a choice if they actualy have good intentions, i suppose it fits as the GPL and the NSA are both devil spawn
I'm really glad to see the Rasterman and Mandrake on there, as well as that GNOME guy. I mean, lets face it: the thing that makes free software a viable bussines solution is the fact that there are many users, and when trying to convert users to use *BSD or Linux, lets face it, all they do is compare GUIs. They don't really care about memory managment or mulit-tasking or free compilers. all they care about is something that looks perty and that they can play Quake on, and i think that Enlightenment and GNOME to a very good job of makeing the free Unix variants atarctive to winblows 69 users, even for no other reason, because it increases the number of raw users.
Ok,it seams to me that his argument is compiled vs. interpreted. let's take a look at this: C++ is a compiled, object-oriented language. While this is good for application programming (i stress APPLICATION, not systems), how often do you need OOP when doing CGI forms and stuff? Also, C++ has very high overhead compared to C or Perl, especialy if your not going to take advantage of the features in the base language. Perl is an interpreted language, which is alot easier to code in than C or C++, and has a faster development time, and when you are dealing with development on the internet, which as we all know, evolves so much from day to day, the faster the development time, the better. Plus, the fact that Perl is faster to code in lets you change it alot faster. And true, while Perl is generaly thought of as a scripting language, what about the perlcc compiler? compile your Perl code, and it doesn't need to be interpreted every time it's accessed. It seams to me that this guy just wants to be weird at the price of sacrifising the best tool for the job to the daemons of stupidity. must have NT at home...
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My congresswoman (Davis, R, VA) came to my school. She was a fucking clod. She had no clue what I was talking about -- thought that it was about Napster. She wouldn't answer anyone else's questions, just rehashed them and called them answers. So, I stood up and shouted at her "you suck, I'm never gunna vote for you!" The only reason she got elected was because the NRA put so much money into her -- and then only 'cause the other guy was a constitution-hating gun-nabber.
I think the hardest part about this battle is that they are so uninformed. They sit in their little committees and have no clue what goes on out side of that. They just vote based on the reccomendation of the committee -- and even then along party lines, in most cases.
I saw them both. They were both pretty good, however, I for one prefered Spiderman simply because it's the first movie i've ever seen with a downtrodden geek standing up for other downtrodden geeks, or downtrodden in gerneral, that did not have to do with being an l3et0 h4x0r, or was Antitrust. I'm still not sure that i've got a handle on that movie.
Can't we do a class-action against the branches of the Federal Government for passing these laws enabling these associations to prop up monopolies? That can't be any better than Microsoft being Microsoft. Arn't tarrifs "engaging in anti-competetive business practices," too, just like the Microsoft Tax?
"...--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
"combine Linux and BSD to create LSD" -- both of which, (BSD and LSD) came from UC Berkeley. Coincidence, I think not.
That comment does make sence. You don't have to pay for it. There are no advertisements like with AIM. You don't get random crap sent to you like with ICQ. But I wasn't aware that not liking unsolicited solicitations made me even more l3et0 than before.
There is only one of him, therefore the "Hackers" can't "goofs" up.
Never mind. It's not like this is an arrest warrant.
When they fought the soviets, they did drugs that let them continue fireing in a meaninful way a good pace after they legitamtely should have been dead (i heard this on Fox News a few weeks ago).
When we fought the VC, all the electronic sensors, anti-personel mines, agent orange, napalm, B-52 strikes, and high training didn't amount to a hill of beans when fighting against an enemy that lived their whole life in those woods, knew where everything was, and needed far less to live off of.
In war, simpler is better often. The Ak-47 has much fewer moving parts than the M-16. An AK-47 left in a rice patty for a few days will still fire. An M-16 needs to be cleaned practicly every time it gets wet...they clog too much. Dust does this to them too.
All the technology in the world isn't going to do a whole lot of anything to an enemy that knows all the hiding places, is fighting for their home, and especialy, is on PCP. The Taliban, United Front (aka Northern Aliance) and other factions of the left-over, CIA-trained and funded, anti-soviet groups, are battle hardend since the 70s, and their new guys have grown up in a battle-hardend environment. Joe Blow GI that joined the army 'cause he's too dumb to do anything else doesn't really know what it's like to live under fire for years on end, starving, with equipment older than themselves they still manage to make work, etc.
If we invade, they have all the advantages. I've also heard talk of going after Iran or Iraq next. They are run by extreamist governments that actualy have funding. Iraq's air defences have actualy gotten pretty decent lately. Before the gulf war, their army had a strength of about 1,000,000. Sadam's had 10 years to rebuild that. He's used chemical weapons against his own subjects, and one can be damned straight he'll use them if we invade. Iran started the whole Islamic-fundimentalist trend (according, again, to some weirdo nuke freak that was on Fox News). They'll likely fight harder than all the others.
And let's not forget that it's not just the armies of these actualy nations we're dealing with...it's terrorists as well. They have the head start on us. Who knows what they'll do and when. They don't fear for their own lives, and they don't feel for ours. They don't care how many women and children they kill, and the US Army is too week-kneed to pull proper gurilla tactics and sac, burn, and massacre villages/towns that don't support us like the VC did in their own country...and when a SEAL team takes action to prevent the action of precident of some little kid having a frag in her basket of alleged fruite, then they are bad and evil people..blah, blah, blah.
We can't oust regiemes that don't care about their subjects. We can't prevent attacks from people that use simple tactics and don't plan on surviving anyway.
All of these "homeland defence" measures are fascist crap. Most of the things Osama bin Ladin accuses the USA of, we've done. The CIA is an evil, imperialist orginization counter-productive to liberty. And this war is pointless, because we have no advantages which are non-technical. Every action we take is going to further provoke the enemy, and provide an excuse for fascist repunlicans and socialist democrats to take away our liberties, while ignoring the fact that our own actions have put us in this situation. We called Soviet involvment in central america a voilation of the Monroe Doctrine, but we think nothing of propeing up fascist dicators in central america, training men like bin Ladin, and sending thousands of Americans to die in civil wars in soviergn nations?
I argue that is a violation of the foundations upon which this nation was formed.
for about 5 months in junior highschool i carried a not only a towel, but a fully loaded satchle, among other things containing all 5 books in the series, a cricket corkie, a t-82 graphing calculator with "don't panic" airbrushed on the cover, and a star atlas. I'm not sure were i got the cricket corkie...i've never been to england.
Well, only when the music was writen by Bob Weir. Jery Garcia colaborated with Robert Hunter, and those two wrote most of the Dead's stuff.
I noticed the last name and was wondering if by any chance you are related to Alice in Chains guitarist Jerry Cantrell...of course, it's probably a dumb question.
So what?
It's nice to know that GNOME has now obviously become it's own operating system since Dell as chosen not to put BSD or Linux or anything else on there with it to alow it to run...i wonder if i could get EMACS to do this too...
Any one know where i could get one of those to protect my soul from being stolen by the evil Windows nhimrods and linux wanna-bes at my school?
what you can do with emacs and duct tape...
The way I see it, everyone is trying to solve this 'lack of office applications' problems using either KDE or GNOME. However, you call it 'lack of office applications for LINUX'. Both GNOME and KDE are independant of the GNU/Linux system. BSD users use them, people who use other Unicies use them (i remember a shot of GNOME running on an SGI Indy under IRIX a while back on the GNOME web site), and if somone really wanted to they could port an X server and junk to FreeDOS (but only a really sick person would) or somthing.
Anyway, the point i'm trying to make is that maybe taking a GNOME- or KDE-based approach is wrong. Gtk+ and Qt are NOT the only toolkits for X that could work. What about Fltk, Motif, etc? Trying to solve this problem by tying the solution to a specific desktop system is wrong, because it doesn't solve the problem for the people who don't use that desktop, or either of them (like me).
In the past there has been talk of the KDE and GNOME people getting to gether and sharing work to make the systems more compatible. if it's happend, i've not been paying attention. If it hasn't, it probably wont.
Sure the new users of an open-source UNIX clone/version/what ever is policialy correct to day are going to be less likly to learn troff and vi or EMACS or whatever and want to use somthing windows-esc, but forcing them to use either GNOME or KDE to get everything they want because whatever won't work well the the other is wrong. it takes away the freedom of choice that free software, and UNIX in general is all about.
Any sort of solution to this problem needs to be able to work well with everything. Since StarOffice is now GPLd, just use it. does it matter? I don't think so. It's independant of both GNOME and KDE, so it's just what is needed. Sure it may lack some features people might want, but they can just add them. Scavanging code to forking off to make some sort of KDE- or GNOME-based version doesn't make a whole lot of sence to me, but what do I know anyway? i'm just a weird BSD-using highschooler who gets no respect from anyone anyway. whatever.
ok, so he's complaining about not being able to make private modifications, when the GPL doesn't allow this either? is he going BSDL then? that'd be a nice turn of events...doubt if anyone would really give a damn either way.
K&R --i think not again. Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie. Kernighan is a dork. who would waste 15 pages on an easy about why PASCAL sucks, anyway?
"Uh, no. UNIX was hacked together by K&R just so they had an OS to put an otherwise idle VAX to work." again, no. it was a PDP-10, not a VAX. Bill Joy did the VAX port at Berkeley for 3BSD(i think it was 3BSD anyway).
so, what exactly IS the evil code? VixieCRON set to run a ping -f over a server's T3 link? that's one hell of a DoS right there.
you're a communist. the GPL is anti-capitalist. The BSD lisence is better. so, i suppose that you wouldn't use Apache then because of the lisence and that the Apache developers tried like, 10 other systems before setling on FreeBSD?
whata great idea! let's all go out and buy someting 'secure' from a government trying to take away our freedoms! then after that we can all have tea with Castro! grr...this is a load of BS. i bet the only reason the NSA is doing this is to take advantage of the popularity of linux and the fact most people are stupid and 'phear' NetBUS to get thousandas of computers with backdoors. not to mention the fact that large amounts of crackers are going to go 'hey! i can break into stuff and wage h4x0r war and no can get l3et0 on my a5$!' thus letting the feds right on into them. as for Linux as a choice if they actualy have good intentions, i suppose it fits as the GPL and the NSA are both devil spawn
I'm really glad to see the Rasterman and Mandrake on there, as well as that GNOME guy. I mean, lets face it: the thing that makes free software a viable bussines solution is the fact that there are many users, and when trying to convert users to use *BSD or Linux, lets face it, all they do is compare GUIs. They don't really care about memory managment or mulit-tasking or free compilers. all they care about is something that looks perty and that they can play Quake on, and i think that Enlightenment and GNOME to a very good job of makeing the free Unix variants atarctive to winblows 69 users, even for no other reason, because it increases the number of raw users.
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Ok,it seams to me that his argument is compiled vs. interpreted. let's take a look at this:
C++ is a compiled, object-oriented language. While this is good for application programming (i stress APPLICATION, not systems), how often do you need OOP when doing CGI forms and stuff? Also, C++ has very high overhead compared to C or Perl, especialy if your not going to take advantage of the features in the base language.
Perl is an interpreted language, which is alot easier to code in than C or C++, and has a faster development time, and when you are dealing with development on the internet, which as we all know, evolves so much from day to day, the faster the development time, the better. Plus, the fact that Perl is faster to code in lets you change it alot faster. And true, while Perl is generaly thought of as a scripting language, what about the perlcc compiler? compile your Perl code, and it doesn't need to be interpreted every time it's accessed.
It seams to me that this guy just wants to be weird at the price of sacrifising the best tool for the job to the daemons of stupidity. must have NT at home...
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dfree@inna.net
Enlightenment dr0.13.3 kicks ass