hasn't hurt microsoft and the other billion software making companies any.
osx is THE integral part of the "experience", and the hardware only facilitates it. clearly what you're saying is that want to sell you the hardware too, even though your current hw is enough to run the os (as will be the case with x86 macos)
are you ignoring the last 2 centuries of copyright nonsense and patents? the ever increasing copyright limits? our culture has been locked down in ways people can't even grasp at the moment.
but why is their business model of any concern to people who purchase os x (to run on a non-mac x86 computer)?
clearly, it's in their best interest to let people run os x on any computer, but officially state they won't get any support for it. that way people can try it out and use it and apple could still continue making closed systems that they profit from.
nah don't worry about switching. all commercial vendors of os's will use drm. so strap yourself in, enjoy your new found freedom; the freedom to know you can't do anything about it.
there just won't be a public backlash this time. it'll creep in slowly.
how to make amphibians edible through the use of high temperature h2o.
the GNU philopsophy will save us all... if it weren't for the fact that they are a bunch of pinko terrorists.
not that i'm saying we should give up by any means except that i just don't see this going away like the BS "test the waters" cpu serial # scandal a few years ago.
so many companies have invested heavily in digital -end user handcuffs that it's very improbable that they will give up easily. and the media certainly won't be telling the public anything negative, that much you can count on.
i would like to donate to the eff, except i don't want to be put on a list of terrorists. the only way to even have a remote chance of beating this nonsense (criminal and unethical behavior) is to educate the public at a greater rate than the "mainstream media" can "educate" them.
both companies are pretty much bastards but for different reasons.
nvidia cannot be trusted with their drivers and they put forth far more development into cheating at benchmarks then making a good hardware product in the first place.
ati has cheated in the past but not to any degree that nvidia has.
the fact that both companies do this just means the customers lose.
for me, i'm an ati user now. it is possible for me to go back to nvidia (owned gf2 and 3) would require them to behave and i don't see that happening. plus their hardware is a lot more expensive for usually inferior products (equivalent to ati).
now maybe if videologic and some other companies still were around to compete, then ati/nvidia wouldn't pull off a lot of the stuff they do.
i haven't even touched on a lot of other things but you can search for them if interested.
close-sourcing their drivers and not even providing specs for their cards says a lot to me... they care more about their dealings with macrovision than they do their real customers.
if only we could have an open-source (libre) video processor that could compete with the likes of these two.
so i guess that ms implementing more eye candy into the OS then "isn't stealing from apple".
face it, people have been borrwing and sharing ideas since the begining of time. only patent-freaks and copyright-fools believe in "intellectual property" bullshit.
it might take 500 more years but eventually people , even the people who have no idea what copyright/patents are/do, will be sick and tired of it. hell, people are already beyond the boiling point.
it's just another disgusting aspect to our materialistic societies. which is rather ironic or at least metallic.
copyright laws, which didn't extend to infinity (and beyond), these games would be public domain, including their source code.
copyright originally, in the industrial age, lasted 14 years. then someone got the idiotic idea of introducing, get ready for it, EXTENSIONS. back then 14 years was almost 1/2 or 1/3 of most life expectancies. that bone-headed move made it possible for low life greedy scumbags to introduce the idea of further extensions (and to top it all off retroactively).
in the age of information, copyright shouldn't last more than 5 years. most products (not including in-house software which is never distributed) sell the most in the first year anyway and it trickles down to nearly a standstill in 5 years.
if copyright holders won't respect actual, real copyright term limits, then frankly, they have no right to expect customers to respect their copyrights.
being the law doesn't make it right. prohibition as an example. when virtually everyone in a society doesn't want it, then it goes against the wishes of the populace, aka the voters. this is a democracy after all.
patents also need to be revised. 17(20) years is just too long these days. it needs to be proportional to the times we live in. these are not devine laws but manmade (for greed no less). patents on software is definitely a no-no. i'm thinking something less than 10 years. the fact is, the western world is choking itself and shooting itself in the foot at the same time over these issues. pissing off the end users and costing honest businesses (what few there are) massive expenses and headaches.
and these are quite favorable changes; it makes the end users happy and therefore the companies happy (the ones that care about customers, the real ones). it would in fact make real innovation something of a possibility again. we've been stagnating quite a bit in the last 75 years or so.
copyright/patents are not natural laws, they are wholly unnatural. the only way that it could work without massively harming the entire situation is to keep it limited in duration and scope. which clearly hasn't been the case for the last 2 centuries or so.
horse and buggy manufacturers seem to come to mind, not sure why.
superior in every way except that the drives and media will cost more than hdvd, requires a new fabrication process, is controlled by sony (member of the MPAA/RIAA), horrendous DRM-crippled.
the reason i put it in quotes is that i've never heard of vesa in the last 5-7 years in regards to video standards, especially in relation to lcd technology.
you may also want to read a few more articles about lcds... if you think the response rate listed on the box is actually accurate.
no need to get huffy, i'm just saying that they are deliberately misleading customers. they certainly got you representing lcds in a better light than they ought to be.
name the manufacturers that strictly adhere to the "vesa" consortium guidelines?
no sir, marketing is legal lying.
when the industries as a whole start to behave more responsibly, i'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
everything i've read on the subject tells me that way too many manufacturers distort these metrics. they want their products to appear more attractive than they really are in order to increase sales.
if you don't want to believe that, you are entitled to that. as am i.
and trying to associate me with crazies and loons when all i'm trying to say is that manufacturers are not trustworthy in this respect shows that you are not worth my time, so i'll end it here. thanks for the chat. if you do want to sometime in the future, discuss why people in the marketing industry are not honest, i'll oblige.
maybe under ideal conditions and other narrowing restrictions, do you ever see a 12ms response.
if it were a real 12ms lcd, it would uniformly and under all conditions respond at least within that threshold.
they also lie (read deceive) about viewing angles of lcds. this one is much more well known among lcd afficionados. probably a lot of other things, these just are the ones i remember atm.
lcds and crts aren't perfect but they each have their uses. i'm gonna wait another 5-10 years before lcds don't suck as much as now. cause it's already difficult to find good crts now... i can only imagine it getting harder in the years to come.
perhaps you'd want to use a crt with 100hz or more at the resolution you want to use. hence a high end crt. you were probably using a 99 dollar pos that could only do 75hz.
anything under 100hz flickers for me but i never get headaches.
anyway, try using a high refresh rate next time and see if it goes away.
and they also don't have a "native" resolution crippling every other resolution that requires interpolation to display.
that and ghosting will never go away.
the best lcds have a 25ms response rate (not the bullshit 8, 12, 16 that manufacturers like to lie about) and that's not enough to get rid of ghosting. so they resort to tricks and say that the response rate is now 8ms.
lcds certainly have their place. lower power use, sharper (generally) displays, digital addressing, won't cause hernias for weak nerds/geeks, takes up little desk space.
but for people like me that can lift 22inch monitors and appreciates high end crts for gaming, i cannot make the switch to lcds. not to mention a high end lcd costs over twice as much as a high end crt.
so as the saying goes, the right tool for the job.
i'll continue to use crts for the foreseeable future. maybe OLED or some other technology can finally replace all the features that make crts great and have the benefits of lcds at the same time.
patented video codecs are the least of the problems.
it's mostly about DRM and control. in order to play back it requires a hardware crippling mechanism, something along the line of Insidious computing with a TPM (trusted platform module, aka hw handcuffs). then on top of that, they license the AACS crippling code to protect their "content" from you. and free linux distros (libre) will not license it and thus will never be able to play AACS-encumbered content legally. the non-free distros may not be able to play it either... seems unlikely.
apple on the other hand, can afford the license fees and control the hardware so they can include the necessary handcuffs to enable playback of next gen formats. that goes double for MS.
it's ironic they are calling VISTA the win95 of OS's. win95 got everyone on 16bit windows to upgrade, even os/2 users but VISTA may do just the opposite. it'll be a cold day in hell before i accept that kind of intrusive bullshit that we have to pay for (hardware and software will be subsidized by screwing us over yet again).
nah, i won't pay to have you handcuff me. i'll find an alternative, or maybe i'll finally get a good tan.
Slashdot Mirror
hasn't hurt microsoft and the other billion software making companies any.
osx is THE integral part of the "experience", and the hardware only facilitates it. clearly what you're saying is that want to sell you the hardware too, even though your current hw is enough to run the os (as will be the case with x86 macos)
are you ignoring the last 2 centuries of copyright nonsense and patents? the ever increasing copyright limits? our culture has been locked down in ways people can't even grasp at the moment.
ok, it's good for apple the company.
how is this useful for current users and potential future users?
or they can stop being dicks and let the market decide what they want to do with purchased copies of os x and on what machines to run them on.
yeah it's not going to happen but whatever.
DRM is never in the favor of the end user. that's a lesson every person buying anything electronic needs to learn. the sooner the better.
but why is their business model of any concern to people who purchase os x (to run on a non-mac x86 computer)?
clearly, it's in their best interest to let people run os x on any computer, but officially state they won't get any support for it. that way people can try it out and use it and apple could still continue making closed systems that they profit from.
is that a good thing for end users or a bad thing?
nah don't worry about switching. all commercial vendors of os's will use drm. so strap yourself in, enjoy your new found freedom; the freedom to know you can't do anything about it.
there just won't be a public backlash this time. it'll creep in slowly.
how to make amphibians edible through the use of high temperature h2o.
the GNU philopsophy will save us all... if it weren't for the fact that they are a bunch of pinko terrorists.
not that i'm saying we should give up by any means except that i just don't see this going away like the BS "test the waters" cpu serial # scandal a few years ago.
so many companies have invested heavily in digital -end user handcuffs that it's very improbable that they will give up easily. and the media certainly won't be telling the public anything negative, that much you can count on.
i would like to donate to the eff, except i don't want to be put on a list of terrorists. the only way to even have a remote chance of beating this nonsense (criminal and unethical behavior) is to educate the public at a greater rate than the "mainstream media" can "educate" them.
ati are the good guys... compared to nvidia.
both companies are pretty much bastards but for different reasons.
nvidia cannot be trusted with their drivers and they put forth far more development into cheating at benchmarks then making a good hardware product in the first place.
ati has cheated in the past but not to any degree that nvidia has.
the fact that both companies do this just means the customers lose.
for me, i'm an ati user now. it is possible for me to go back to nvidia (owned gf2 and 3) would require them to behave and i don't see that happening. plus their hardware is a lot more expensive for usually inferior products (equivalent to ati).
now maybe if videologic and some other companies still were around to compete, then ati/nvidia wouldn't pull off a lot of the stuff they do.
i haven't even touched on a lot of other things but you can search for them if interested.
close-sourcing their drivers and not even providing specs for their cards says a lot to me... they care more about their dealings with macrovision than they do their real customers.
if only we could have an open-source (libre) video processor that could compete with the likes of these two.
you do realize, not wanting to buy DRM crap is better for the customer, right?
having control over your own hardware, oh my! what a disgusting concept.
companies who sell products to end users, not companies who sell end-users to their customers.
that's who.
and since when can you steal intangible items that can and are infinitely reproducible extremely cheaply?
ideas/knowledge don't fall into the domain of property, no matter what anyone with vested interests tell you.
so i guess that ms implementing more eye candy into the OS then "isn't stealing from apple".
face it, people have been borrwing and sharing ideas since the begining of time. only patent-freaks and copyright-fools believe in "intellectual property" bullshit.
it might take 500 more years but eventually people , even the people who have no idea what copyright/patents are/do, will be sick and tired of it. hell, people are already beyond the boiling point.
it's just another disgusting aspect to our materialistic societies. which is rather ironic or at least metallic.
copyright laws, which didn't extend to infinity (and beyond), these games would be public domain, including their source code.
copyright originally, in the industrial age, lasted 14 years. then someone got the idiotic idea of introducing, get ready for it, EXTENSIONS. back then 14 years was almost 1/2 or 1/3 of most life expectancies. that bone-headed move made it possible for low life greedy scumbags to introduce the idea of further extensions (and to top it all off retroactively).
in the age of information, copyright shouldn't last more than 5 years. most products (not including in-house software which is never distributed) sell the most in the first year anyway and it trickles down to nearly a standstill in 5 years.
if copyright holders won't respect actual, real copyright term limits, then frankly, they have no right to expect customers to respect their copyrights.
being the law doesn't make it right. prohibition as an example. when virtually everyone in a society doesn't want it, then it goes against the wishes of the populace, aka the voters. this is a democracy after all.
patents also need to be revised. 17(20) years is just too long these days. it needs to be proportional to the times we live in. these are not devine laws but manmade (for greed no less). patents on software is definitely a no-no. i'm thinking something less than 10 years. the fact is, the western world is choking itself and shooting itself in the foot at the same time over these issues. pissing off the end users and costing honest businesses (what few there are) massive expenses and headaches.
and these are quite favorable changes; it makes the end users happy and therefore the companies happy (the ones that care about customers, the real ones). it would in fact make real innovation something of a possibility again. we've been stagnating quite a bit in the last 75 years or so.
copyright/patents are not natural laws, they are wholly unnatural. the only way that it could work without massively harming the entire situation is to keep it limited in duration and scope. which clearly hasn't been the case for the last 2 centuries or so.
horse and buggy manufacturers seem to come to mind, not sure why.
they wouldn't let cisco do business with a lot of other governments either.
it's just too selective to be taken seriously.
they are going out of business, are they going to get rid of their DRM (application signing) requirement?
somehow i very much doubt it. and it's a damn shame, now that you can pick one up cheaper than before, it's not really worth it.
this is going to be a very major issue in the years ahead.
DRM will ultimately cripple the hell out of our devices and will clog up landfills when they go out of business.
superior in every way except that the drives and media will cost more than hdvd, requires a new fabrication process, is controlled by sony (member of the MPAA/RIAA), horrendous DRM-crippled.
and hd-dvd isn't much better.
when cartels collude, end-users lose.
the reason i put it in quotes is that i've never heard of vesa in the last 5-7 years in regards to video standards, especially in relation to lcd technology.
you may also want to read a few more articles about lcds... if you think the response rate listed on the box is actually accurate.
no need to get huffy, i'm just saying that they are deliberately misleading customers. they certainly got you representing lcds in a better light than they ought to be.
name the manufacturers that strictly adhere to the "vesa" consortium guidelines?
no sir, marketing is legal lying.
when the industries as a whole start to behave more responsibly, i'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
everything i've read on the subject tells me that way too many manufacturers distort these metrics. they want their products to appear more attractive than they really are in order to increase sales.
if you don't want to believe that, you are entitled to that. as am i.
and trying to associate me with crazies and loons when all i'm trying to say is that manufacturers are not trustworthy in this respect shows that you are not worth my time, so i'll end it here. thanks for the chat. if you do want to sometime in the future, discuss why people in the marketing industry are not honest, i'll oblige.
12ms is some marketing figure mostly.
maybe under ideal conditions and other narrowing restrictions, do you ever see a 12ms response.
if it were a real 12ms lcd, it would uniformly and under all conditions respond at least within that threshold.
they also lie (read deceive) about viewing angles of lcds. this one is much more well known among lcd afficionados. probably a lot of other things, these just are the ones i remember atm.
lcds and crts aren't perfect but they each have their uses. i'm gonna wait another 5-10 years before lcds don't suck as much as now. cause it's already difficult to find good crts now... i can only imagine it getting harder in the years to come.
perhaps you'd want to use a crt with 100hz or more at the resolution you want to use. hence a high end crt. you were probably using a 99 dollar pos that could only do 75hz.
anything under 100hz flickers for me but i never get headaches.
anyway, try using a high refresh rate next time and see if it goes away.
if only they cost less than 500 and i can pick one up now at my local store. otherwise forget about it.
but it seems it has trouble producing colors as well as crts.
anyway, back to the old drawing board.
manufacturers who lie? oh my!
and they also don't have a "native" resolution crippling every other resolution that requires interpolation to display.
that and ghosting will never go away.
the best lcds have a 25ms response rate (not the bullshit 8, 12, 16 that manufacturers like to lie about) and that's not enough to get rid of ghosting. so they resort to tricks and say that the response rate is now 8ms.
lcds certainly have their place. lower power use, sharper (generally) displays, digital addressing, won't cause hernias for weak nerds/geeks, takes up little desk space.
but for people like me that can lift 22inch monitors and appreciates high end crts for gaming, i cannot make the switch to lcds. not to mention a high end lcd costs over twice as much as a high end crt.
so as the saying goes, the right tool for the job.
i'll continue to use crts for the foreseeable future. maybe OLED or some other technology can finally replace all the features that make crts great and have the benefits of lcds at the same time.
actually you can never play blu-ray on linux.
patented video codecs are the least of the problems.
it's mostly about DRM and control. in order to play back it requires a hardware crippling mechanism, something along the line of Insidious computing with a TPM (trusted platform module, aka hw handcuffs). then on top of that, they license the AACS crippling code to protect their "content" from you. and free linux distros (libre) will not license it and thus will never be able to play AACS-encumbered content legally. the non-free distros may not be able to play it either... seems unlikely.
apple on the other hand, can afford the license fees and control the hardware so they can include the necessary handcuffs to enable playback of next gen formats. that goes double for MS.
it's ironic they are calling VISTA the win95 of OS's. win95 got everyone on 16bit windows to upgrade, even os/2 users but VISTA may do just the opposite. it'll be a cold day in hell before i accept that kind of intrusive bullshit that we have to pay for (hardware and software will be subsidized by screwing us over yet again).
nah, i won't pay to have you handcuff me. i'll find an alternative, or maybe i'll finally get a good tan.
why yellow is the most often replaced color in inkjets.
good thing ink is cheap otherwise people would be up in arms about it.