Tell that to Windows Phone 7 users.. Who were not able to upgrade to Windows Phone 8. What makes you think Windows Phone 8 devices will support Windows Phone 9?
But on a related-note, the first jump Microsoft made from Windows Phone 7.5/7.8 to Windows Phone 8 broke compatibility for all existing third party applications. That move really upset the early developers on that platform (especially when they had been told that MS was going to be different and was not going to be fragmented).
From where do Slashdotters get their information? From only other Slashdot posts filled with lies and misinformation?
"With regard to existing applications: today’s Windows Phone applications and games will run on the next major version of Windows Phone. Driving application compatibility is a function of Microsoft’s commitment to its developer
There were over 120,000 available for WP8 at launch, most of which were WP7 apps.
The browsers are not just bundled but Apple doesn't even allow other browser engines like Firefox's Gecko to run on the iDevices. The maximum you can do as a browser maker is to put a different skin on top of the Safari renderer. Chromebooks don't even allow browsers. That means there won't even be a Netscape equivalent to complain about bundling because alternate browsers are just plain banned. Software freedom and choice is more dead in the post-PC world than it was in the PC world.
Lets pick on the few folks who don't believe in the Microsoft = automatically bad and Google = automatically good mantra, and lets chase them away calling them shills and astroturfers. And let the groupthink and echochamber rejoice. Eventually the haters and zealots get bored talking among themselves and they leave and you get an ever shrinking website with even more partyline moderation.
I think this is the biggest, and most complained about, assumption in all the debacle. If it was true, the Microsoft key issue wouldn't exist (we'd just have a "Linus key" and that would be the end of it).
Sure, MS give lip service to this but there's nothing that guarantees it will be available. Nothing at all. You can turn Secure Boot off, but then you've had BIOS engineers working on a feature that you then turn off because it doesn't work as you need it to.
Owning your Windows 8 UEFI Platform Posted on 15 February 2013 by jejb
Even if you only ever plan to run Windows or stock distributions of Linux that already have secure boot support, I’d encourage everybody who has a new UEFI secure boot platform to take ownership of it. The way you do this is by installing your own Platform Key. Once you have done this, you can use key database maintenance tools like keytool to edit all the keys on the Platform and move the platform programmatically from Setup Mode to User Mode and back again. This blog post describes how you go about doing this. First Save the Variables
The first thing to do is to install and run KeyTool either directly (the platform must have secure boot turned off, because keytool is unsigned) or via the mini USB image and save all the current secure variable keys (select the ‘Save Keys’ option from the top level menu). This will save the contents of each variable as a single esl (EFI Signature List) file, so you should end up with three files: PK.esl, KEK.esl and db.esl. These files can later be used to restore the contents if something goes wrong in the updates (and because some platforms put you into setup mode by erasing the contents of all the secure variables), so save them in a safe place. Use the UEFI Menus to remove the Platform Key
This is the step that it’s impossible to be precise about. Every UEFI platform seems to be different in how you do this. The Linux Foundation hosts a web page collecting the information but so far it only has the Intel Tunnel Mountain system on it, but if you work it out for your platform, leave me a comment describing what you did and I’ll add it to the LF page.
The most common way to get a UEFI system to display the UEFI menus is to press ESC as it boots up. Create your own Platform Key
If you rpm installed efitools, it will automatically have created a Platform Key for you in/usr/share/efitools/keys, plus all of the PK.auth and noPK.auth files.
A platform key may be self signed, but doesn’t have to be (I’m using one signed with my root certificate). However, assuming you want to create a self-signed platform key manually, here are the steps: The standard command for doing this with openssl is
None of the parameters for the key (Like the Common Name) matters, so you can replace with anything you like (mine says ‘James Bottomley Platform Key 2013) you can also add other X509 well known objects like your address. Once you have the two files PK.crt and PK.key, you need to save them in a safe location (PK.key is the one to guard since it’s your private key).
Next, create an EFI Signature List file with the public key in (this and the next steps require that you have either installed the efitools rpm or compiled the unix commands from efitools.git and installed them on your system)
cert-to-efi-sig-list -g PK.crt PK.esl
where is any random GUID you choose. You also need to create an empty noPK.esl file which can be used to remove the platform key again
You don't even know what telemetry in Windows means. You get one notification after installing asking you explicitly if you want to opt in to help improve Windows by sending telemetry information. Even if you opt in, those calculations you see in the post are done locally and only the stats are sent to the server. Those stats do not include people who haven't enabled telemetry. It's similar to Firefox's dialog here: http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/send-performance-data-improve-firefox OMG FIREFOX IS SNOOPING ON YOU.
You're welcome to prove me wrong.
This has nothing to do with sending packets when you search local files.
RMS is talking about local file search keywords and you're talking about web search keywords on Bing.
Two VERY different beasts.
Here, I bolded it for you:
My late friend Fravia told me that when he searched for a string in the files of his Windows system, it sent a packet to some server, which was detected by his firewall
This is just like the first surveillance practice I learned about in Windows. My late friend Fravia told me that when he searched for a string in the files of his Windows system, it sent a packet to some server, which was detected by his firewall. Given that first example I paid attention and learned about the propensity of "reputable" proprietary software to be malware. Perhaps it is no coincidence that Ubuntu sends the same information.
Does anyone have more information and hard references or proof of this(as opposed to idle hearsay) in Windows, or is it just more of the anti-Microsoft urban legend hearsay FUD peddled around these parts?
Why are we discussing whether a office viewer program which does not even having editing capabilities right now and is sure not to get them for the next few months, will beat Office? Is this a joke or what?
QuickOffice is a proprietary closed source application running on one of the most locked down computers out there, the Chromebook with Secure Boot, where you can't even install Open/LibreOffice like you can do on any Windows PC and is heavily tied to the cloud and is crippled with low storage to encourage you to put valuable files on Google servers.
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Tell that to Windows Phone 7 users.. Who were not able to upgrade to Windows Phone 8. What makes you think Windows Phone 8 devices will support Windows Phone 9?
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2416002,00.asp
But on a related-note, the first jump Microsoft made from Windows Phone 7.5/7.8 to Windows Phone 8 broke compatibility for all existing third party applications. That move really upset the early developers on that platform (especially when they had been told that MS was going to be different and was not going to be fragmented).
From where do Slashdotters get their information? From only other Slashdot posts filled with lies and misinformation?
From http://www.wpcentral.com/microsoft-reaffirms-app-compatibility-windows-phone-8-hints-silverlight-death
"With regard to existing applications: today’s Windows Phone applications and games will run on the next major version of Windows Phone. Driving application compatibility is a function of Microsoft’s commitment to its developer
There were over 120,000 available for WP8 at launch, most of which were WP7 apps.
Yes, WP8 will be abandoned... for WP8.5 or WP9.
Yes, WP8 customerswill be abandoned... for WP8.5 or WP9.
Fixed it for you...they will call it Windows phone 8.8, which they will day is the same as 9 :)
Please, just stop with the stupid FUD.
Microsoft: Windows Phone 8 Will Be Upgradeable
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2416002,00.asp
I'll leave the consideration of that track record as an exercise for the audience.
Lets look at their track record.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14
Yea, it's very telling.
You forgot them killing the open standard CalDAV support and replacing with their proprietary Calendar API.
http://www.zdnet.com/google-do-what-you-want-with-reader-but-dont-kill-caldav-7000012628/
Are you sure that collecting packets and storing them from unsecured WiFi points is legal?
The browsers are not just bundled but Apple doesn't even allow other browser engines like Firefox's Gecko to run on the iDevices. The maximum you can do as a browser maker is to put a different skin on top of the Safari renderer. Chromebooks don't even allow browsers.
That means there won't even be a Netscape equivalent to complain about bundling because alternate browsers are just plain banned. Software freedom and choice is more dead in the post-PC world than it was in the PC world.
Lets pick on the few folks who don't believe in the Microsoft = automatically bad and Google = automatically good mantra, and lets chase them away calling them shills and astroturfers. And let the groupthink and echochamber rejoice. Eventually the haters and zealots get bored talking among themselves and they leave and you get an ever shrinking website with even more partyline moderation.
Yes, lets just pick on the two or three people on here that don't conform to the groupthink echochamber and chase them away calling them shills.
There was no agile development before Chrome or what? There's pretty much no comparison here.
The Nexus 4 is $299 and the iPhone is $649 and you're seriously making such a comparison? That's more than double!
Same with Nexus 7 vs. iPad Mini.
I think this is the biggest, and most complained about, assumption in all the debacle. If it was true, the Microsoft key issue wouldn't exist (we'd just have a "Linus key" and that would be the end of it).
Sure, MS give lip service to this but there's nothing that guarantees it will be available. Nothing at all. You can turn Secure Boot off, but then you've had BIOS engineers working on a feature that you then turn off because it doesn't work as you need it to.
Sorry but that's just wrong.
Here's how you add your own keys(and remove Microsoft's if you want):
http://blog.hansenpartnership.com/owning-your-windows-8-uefi-platform/
Owning your Windows 8 UEFI Platform
Posted on 15 February 2013 by jejb
Even if you only ever plan to run Windows or stock distributions of Linux that already have secure boot support, I’d encourage everybody who has a new UEFI secure boot platform to take ownership of it. The way you do this is by installing your own Platform Key. Once you have done this, you can use key database maintenance tools like keytool to edit all the keys on the Platform and move the platform programmatically from Setup Mode to User Mode and back again. This blog post describes how you go about doing this.
First Save the Variables
The first thing to do is to install and run KeyTool either directly (the platform must have secure boot turned off, because keytool is unsigned) or via the mini USB image and save all the current secure variable keys (select the ‘Save Keys’ option from the top level menu). This will save the contents of each variable as a single esl (EFI Signature List) file, so you should end up with three files: PK.esl, KEK.esl and db.esl. These files can later be used to restore the contents if something goes wrong in the updates (and because some platforms put you into setup mode by erasing the contents of all the secure variables), so save them in a safe place.
Use the UEFI Menus to remove the Platform Key
This is the step that it’s impossible to be precise about. Every UEFI platform seems to be different in how you do this. The Linux Foundation hosts a web page collecting the information but so far it only has the Intel Tunnel Mountain system on it, but if you work it out for your platform, leave me a comment describing what you did and I’ll add it to the LF page.
The most common way to get a UEFI system to display the UEFI menus is to press ESC as it boots up.
Create your own Platform Key
If you rpm installed efitools, it will automatically have created a Platform Key for you in /usr/share/efitools/keys, plus all of the PK.auth and noPK.auth files.
A platform key may be self signed, but doesn’t have to be (I’m using one signed with my root certificate). However, assuming you want to create a self-signed platform key manually, here are the steps: The standard command for doing this with openssl is
openssl req -new -x509 -newkey rsa:2048 -subj “/CN=/” -keyout PK.key -out PK.crt -days 3650 -nodes -sha256
None of the parameters for the key (Like the Common Name) matters, so you can replace with anything you like (mine says ‘James Bottomley Platform Key 2013) you can also add other X509 well known objects like your address. Once you have the two files PK.crt and PK.key, you need to save them in a safe location (PK.key is the one to guard since it’s your private key).
Next, create an EFI Signature List file with the public key in (this and the next steps require that you have either installed the efitools rpm or compiled the unix commands from efitools.git and installed them on your system)
cert-to-efi-sig-list -g PK.crt PK.esl
where is any random GUID you choose. You also need to create an empty noPK.esl file which can be used to remove the platform key again
> noPK.esl
Perhaps you're referring to IE's smartscreen filter?
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/smartscreen-filter-frequently-asked-questions-ie9
You do that know that Chrome, Firefox and Opera have similar functionality enabled to block fishing and malware ridden sites right?
Wait, so it went from "Windows sends your file search keywords" to "it may or might send things"?
Yes, being careful is good, but spreading lies and FUD is not.
As a funny aside, Shuttleworth said they have root on all Ubuntu computers.
You don't even know what telemetry in Windows means.
You get one notification after installing asking you explicitly if you want to opt in to help improve Windows by sending telemetry information.
Even if you opt in, those calculations you see in the post are done locally and only the stats are sent to the server.
Those stats do not include people who haven't enabled telemetry.
It's similar to Firefox's dialog here:
http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/send-performance-data-improve-firefox
OMG FIREFOX IS SNOOPING ON YOU.
You're welcome to prove me wrong.
This has nothing to do with sending packets when you search local files.
Those don't say anything about local file search keywords going to Microsoft like RMS was insinuating.
RMS is talking about local file search keywords and you're talking about web search keywords on Bing.
Two VERY different beasts.
Here, I bolded it for you:
My late friend Fravia told me that when he searched for a string in the files of his Windows system, it sent a packet to some server, which was detected by his firewall
I don't see anything related to user search terms being sent.
Do you have a better reference?
From that link:
This is just like the first surveillance practice I learned about in Windows. My late friend Fravia told me that when he searched for a string in the files of his Windows system, it sent a packet to some server, which was detected by his firewall. Given that first example I paid attention and learned about the propensity of "reputable" proprietary software to be malware. Perhaps it is no coincidence that Ubuntu sends the same information.
Does anyone have more information and hard references or proof of this(as opposed to idle hearsay) in Windows, or is it just more of the anti-Microsoft urban legend hearsay FUD peddled around these parts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpBTr4mxfhA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOAGNW2fLTk
Why are we discussing whether a office viewer program which does not even having editing capabilities right now and is sure not to get them for the next few months, will beat Office? Is this a joke or what?
QuickOffice is a proprietary closed source application running on one of the most locked down computers out there, the Chromebook with Secure Boot, where you can't even install Open/LibreOffice like you can do on any Windows PC and is heavily tied to the cloud and is crippled with low storage to encourage you to put valuable files on Google servers.
Why is Slashdot cheering this again?
Here: http://bgr.com/2013/01/24/nokia-earnings-q4-2012-304661/
>The idea here is that all WP8 hardware manufacturers are intended to be equal, like with Android device manufacturers.
Like Motorola? err... I mean Googorola.
Jessica Alba now posts as AC on Slashdot. woo!!
http://www.wpcentral.com/jessica-alba-wields-red-lumia-920-windows-phone
http://wmpoweruser.com/jessica-alba-continuing-to-use-her-red-nokia-lumia-920/
Blackberry had some sort of agreement with MS, I believe primarily related to Exchange compatability.
Oh please, now you are cherry picking.
Look at who else did the exact same thing.
http://winsupersite.com/article/mobile-and-wireless2/microsoft-licenses-activesync-to-google
http://www.tuaw.com/2008/03/06/apple-licenses-activesync-for-the-iphone/
So why didnt the Blackberry kiss of death affect them?