This is why I post a link to my journal when I talk about a good DRM solution. Although it looks like I screwed up the link in the last post. http://ask.slashdot.org/~RingDev/journal/126947
I still believe that a DRM can be created that doesn't interfere with the consumers rights and offers an acceptable level of protection to the copy right owner.
The problem with that is that for the most part, the label controls popularity. They are the ones footing the bill for the advertising the makes the band popular. If someone starts making a stink about moving out on their own, the label just has to drop their marketing and the band will disappear from mainstream media, and as long as their contract lasts, they're screwed.
As I said coward, you and 1500 other bands are going to release CDs with out a label. how are you going to advertise that your band's CD is better then the 1499 CD released? How am I as a consumer supposed to know that your music is exactly my tastes? How am I supposed to know what type of music your band even plays? Sure, you can probably get it categorized in iTunes and what not, but then it will be your album against thousands of other artists, including many who already have name recognition. If I see "Tommy Splat Five" right next to the latest "Tool" albums, I'll buy the Tool albums and leave TSF to rot. But if I hear TSF on the radio, see their adds in magazines, and hear that they are touring, I may pick it up. So while the job of the record label may change (removing distribution from the equation) to primarily advertising, and their situation with authors may improve, I still feel they are necessary.
Socializing the entertainment industry will not improve the consumer experience.
1) They (WB) can not remove all liability for all music, because they don't own the rights on all music. They can remove the liability for their music but that's it.
2) The market would no long drive the industry. who determines which royalties to pay? Some execs get to chop 90% off the top then spread the last 10% across admin and authors? What happens the the lesser known bands?
3) This removes all incentive for labels to pick up new artists. Why add more music to a $4.95/month library when you can spin off a subsidiary label and release new music under it. Then once that library has grown for a few years, release it under another $5/month contract. Now the consumer is coughing up $10/month for full access to both labels, not to mention any competitor labels.
All round this is a bad idea. Get the industry to agree on a standardized DRM (See JE at:http://ask.slashdot.org/~RingDev/journal/126947 ), and make it easier for consumers to get legal content then illegal.
It's all a matter of convenience. If consumers have a choice between paying $1 for a song, or downloading it for free with the risk of being sued, the vast majority will go for the $1 option. Provided the $1 version is compatible with all of their entertainment equipment (Windows, Linux, home entertainment, xbox, ps3, car stereo, etc...)
How many scientist would become worthless because while they are extremely skilled researchers, are horrendous public speakers?
One of the advancements of society is the delegation and specialization of work. IOW, people are rewarded for doing what they are good at. We don't make the entire cast, crew, and support of every motion picture tour the nation looking for hand outs. And who has time to go to all of the speaking engagements for the 3rd shift graphical editor of the Star Wars trilogy?
The person holds no value to me. The product that they have created however does hold a value to me. And as such, I am willing to pay for a product. I wouldn't give George Lucas the time of day if I passed him on the street, but I'll cough up $8 to catch his latest flick on the big screen.
"Our goal is to make it very convenient to purchase our software and somewhat inconvenient to pirate it."
That is the way to do it. A DRM shouldn't PREVENT illegal behavior, just make it so that legal behavior is more convenient! This is exactly the theory that I preach in my journal;) http://slashdot.org/~RingDev/journal/126947
"Now that more and more games are moddable, one has to wonder if modding has become the game."
I would say yes, and for some of us, it already has been. I started modding in Doom2 and Quake, making simple levels (nothing fancy). NFS2 would have died out much earlier then it did on my PC had it not been for the joy of custom car models. I got bit by the MMORPG bug a few years back, when the game got boring I pulled out 3ds-Max and got to the fun stuff (http://dmoc.ringdev.com./ I would have kept it up too but I wound up getting married and having a son (not necesarilly in that order) which pretty much put and end to my gaming and modding time.
Matters on half of what. Getting a $22 movie for $11, that's not half bad, but worth leaving your PC on all month? Nah. I can goto a local Block Buster and rent new releases for $1.50. I can open Video On Demand (Charter) and get videos instantly for $4-6. Sure VoD costs more, but I don't have to dirve anywheres, return anything, and it's instant.
The BEST way to get this to work would be to replace NetFlix. $15 a month to have access to their private P2P network. As long as you pay your monthly fee your P2P account and DRM key remain valid. Now that I might be interested in.
I agree with you on your opinion of balances. As long as there is a balance between legal purchase and illegal downloads, the system will continue. If the consumers bend over and take it from the RIAA they will lose fair use. But if everyone downloads illegally, the RIAA will lose money, reducing artist funding, music selection, and eventually freedom (of choice) for the consumers. But if the two keep each other in check, everything will continue as is (And there will always be a corrilean battle cruiser in orbit waiting to destroy earth).
I have my own proposed solution that works on the balance theory, my DRM Soft system has the intent of protecting consumer's fair use rights while reducing (not preventing) casual piracy. You can read it here: http://slashdot.org/~RingDev/journal/126947
Solar panels kick out small voltage through out the day. True they will likely peek at the same time as your peek electricity. But the amount of power they put out at peek is not going to be much compared to your total consumption. So instead of using the power as it comes through out the day, where in the morning you may save 10kWh for say, 8 cents per kWh, you can instead store that juice in a battery for peek time and save 9kWh (due to loss) and 20 cents per kWh. Yes, it would cost extra for a battery array, which is why I listed it seperately, but with it, you could replace more of your most expencive power with the cheapest, instead of replacing a smaller amount of power through out the day.
Some things are easier to do in the design phase. but something can be done now.
First, pre-cool the room. There was a good article on/. earlier this week, keeping the building cooler in the morning and warmer in the afternoon can drop your peek time costs.
Second, install a solar power system. Kinda pricy, but if you have a large roof you can generate some solid power. And don't think that being in the north excludes you from solar power. Uni-Solar has a great sun index map showing what level of solar output and electrical output you can expect in any given area.
Third, going with solar, a battery array or some other type of power storage. By using the solar pannels to juice up the batteries, you can pull power from the batteries at peek time, but charge them all day.
Fourth, sub-teranian cooling. Once you get a little ways under the surface of the ground, the temperature becomes a pretty consistant mid/high 50's. Using sunken water tanks you can run 60 degree water through a radiator in your HVAC system. I know there are companies that can install these system but I can't recall any names off the top of my head.
Fith, solid state storage. If you can swing paying $50/gig as opposed to $1/gig for storage space you can dramaticly cut down on your both your cooling bill and your electric bill.But at $50,000 per ter vs $1,000 per ter, it's going to take a while to recoup the costs.
Sixth, custom server cases/cabinets. Traditional closets are great for cramming a lot of servers into a small area, but they about suck for heat management. You could fund a research project at any number of engineering schools to create a better storage solution.
Dear Ass hat, please realise that when you are quoting you should either quote the whole sentence, or other whys indicate if you are truncating part of the thought. If you could have been bothered to read the whole sentence you would see that I am indeed specifying two points.
"...look at the high school graduation numbers now compared to 50 years ago, look at the average literacy rates."
So yes, I suppose I should write every sentence as if it were going to be reviewed by the masses and recorded for all time. That way, when some pretentious ass hat like yourself takes the debate completely off topic to trade literary barbs, I know I would be on the winning side. But this is freaking Slash Dot, not a formal debate. None of us (so far as I know) are paid to peddle our opinions here, and I have better things to do than ensure my posts are of perfect freaking grammar.
People say public schools have failed. Yet I can show success case after success case. I can show literacy rates that are dramatically higher then they were 50 years ago. I can show average education levels that are dramatically higher then they were 50 years ago. I can show that more people are receiving basic education then they were 50 years ago. And yet, people still claim that over this whole time, public schools have some how 'failed'.
People say look at the illiteracy rates, public schools have failed! And I can show you how 50% of the illiterate population did not complete high school.
People say look at how dumbed down colleges have become! And I can show you school after school that are producing the most cutting edge technology and research on the face of the planet.
People say look at how dumb kids are! And I can show you examples of generation after generation of 'dumb kids' that have become successful and highly regarded as intellectuals.
If you want to debate the topic of public schools, I'm here and up for the challenge. If you want to debate my writing abilities (or lack there of), then you can suck the snotty end of my cum flinging f' stick you jizz guzzling gutter slut. And maybe after a happy ending, I'll let you critique my capstone.
1) Sort orders only sort current page instead of entire data list 2) Search functionality only allows searching on name 3) Key skills is a flat text field, a table with skills and years exp would be nice
That's a great break down. And pretty true. Developing OS software is a money hole. Supporting OS software is a cash cow. The trick is to make enough money supporting the software to pay for continued development and marketing the product.
There were 2 different contentions. 1) Passing highschool was considered a success. and 2) Literacy is considered a success. My arguement is that even if you remove highschool graduation rates from the comparison all together, and focus only on measuring literacy, you will find an upwards trend. While high school aptitude tests can be lowered (Which prior to NCLB I doubt was an issue), literacy is significantly more static.
That is where the position matters, the person downloading the content isn't guilty of copyright infringment, they should be guilty of petty theft or recieving stolen property at the worst.
Luckily for 'your friend' there are many legal options to do this. Both Amazon.com and iTunes offer preview copies of songs, and with services like Yahoo music you can get 'lease' song you want legally and if you want to keep it for ever, you can buy it at will.
You are looking at this from a 'possible loss' point of view. Let's turn the tables and look at it as a 'definate gain' possibility.
Let's say that you like song ABC. You like it very much, enough to the point that you are willing to give up $12 for the band's latest CD. You the consumer see a gain in $10 worth of music and the label sees a gain of $10 cash. Now, if you are given the option to get that same CD for free and you take it, you have now seen a gain of $10 in music, but the creater of the music has not seen any gains.
At this point, you have definately gained money, and the label has definately NOT gained money. But there is more to the story. You see, that label had to pay to have the albumn produced and mastered, it had to pay the performers and buy the rights. That one $10 CD might have cost $5 million to record, produce, and market (notice I'm not including production, distrobution, or sales). True, the label will make a but load of copies to recoup that lose and make a profit. But since that is the case each copy of the content can be given an exact value. If we print and ship 1 million CDs we can say that each copy costs the label $5.
So now we have a consumer who has gained $10 in music and the label who has not been reimbersed the $5 it cost them. So the customer gains and the label loses (albeit half of what the consumer gains).
Is it unfair then to goto the consumer who downloaded the must and require them to pay the $5?
"one teenager could supply thousands of people with tons of music without doing anything else than downloading a handful of music now and then."
Yes, and that would be hosting. Don't want to host? Turn off hosting, most P2P clients (all that I have seen) have that option be it No-host, don't share, leech mode, what ever. If you are distributing the content, then yes, you are violating copywrite laws, and IMNSHO the RIAA has every right to nail you to a cross.
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not going to be able to host these for long, but since the site is slow as tar:
http://www.ringdev.com/images/3Button.jpg
http://www.ringdev.com/images/optimus-mini-34.jpg
-Rick
I thought your parents did?
-Rick
This is why I post a link to my journal when I talk about a good DRM solution. Although it looks like I screwed up the link in the last post. http://ask.slashdot.org/~RingDev/journal/126947
I still believe that a DRM can be created that doesn't interfere with the consumers rights and offers an acceptable level of protection to the copy right owner.
-Rick
The guy who patented interaction with a spread sheet, or Microsoft?
-Rick
The problem with that is that for the most part, the label controls popularity. They are the ones footing the bill for the advertising the makes the band popular. If someone starts making a stink about moving out on their own, the label just has to drop their marketing and the band will disappear from mainstream media, and as long as their contract lasts, they're screwed.
-Rick
As I said coward, you and 1500 other bands are going to release CDs with out a label. how are you going to advertise that your band's CD is better then the 1499 CD released? How am I as a consumer supposed to know that your music is exactly my tastes? How am I supposed to know what type of music your band even plays? Sure, you can probably get it categorized in iTunes and what not, but then it will be your album against thousands of other artists, including many who already have name recognition. If I see "Tommy Splat Five" right next to the latest "Tool" albums, I'll buy the Tool albums and leave TSF to rot. But if I hear TSF on the radio, see their adds in magazines, and hear that they are touring, I may pick it up.
So while the job of the record label may change (removing distribution from the equation) to primarily advertising, and their situation with authors may improve, I still feel they are necessary.
-Rick
Socializing the entertainment industry will not improve the consumer experience.
7 ), and make it easier for consumers to get legal content then illegal.
1) They (WB) can not remove all liability for all music, because they don't own the rights on all music. They can remove the liability for their music but that's it.
2) The market would no long drive the industry. who determines which royalties to pay? Some execs get to chop 90% off the top then spread the last 10% across admin and authors? What happens the the lesser known bands?
3) This removes all incentive for labels to pick up new artists. Why add more music to a $4.95/month library when you can spin off a subsidiary label and release new music under it. Then once that library has grown for a few years, release it under another $5/month contract. Now the consumer is coughing up $10/month for full access to both labels, not to mention any competitor labels.
All round this is a bad idea. Get the industry to agree on a standardized DRM (See JE at:http://ask.slashdot.org/~RingDev/journal/12694
It's all a matter of convenience. If consumers have a choice between paying $1 for a song, or downloading it for free with the risk of being sued, the vast majority will go for the $1 option. Provided the $1 version is compatible with all of their entertainment equipment (Windows, Linux, home entertainment, xbox, ps3, car stereo, etc...)
-Rick
How many scientist would become worthless because while they are extremely skilled researchers, are horrendous public speakers?
One of the advancements of society is the delegation and specialization of work. IOW, people are rewarded for doing what they are good at. We don't make the entire cast, crew, and support of every motion picture tour the nation looking for hand outs. And who has time to go to all of the speaking engagements for the 3rd shift graphical editor of the Star Wars trilogy?
The person holds no value to me. The product that they have created however does hold a value to me. And as such, I am willing to pay for a product. I wouldn't give George Lucas the time of day if I passed him on the street, but I'll cough up $8 to catch his latest flick on the big screen.
-Rick
"Our goal is to make it very convenient to purchase our software and somewhat inconvenient to pirate it."
;) http://slashdot.org/~RingDev/journal/126947
That is the way to do it. A DRM shouldn't PREVENT illegal behavior, just make it so that legal behavior is more convenient! This is exactly the theory that I preach in my journal
-Rick
"Now that more and more games are moddable, one has to wonder if modding has become the game."
I would say yes, and for some of us, it already has been. I started modding in Doom2 and Quake, making simple levels (nothing fancy). NFS2 would have died out much earlier then it did on my PC had it not been for the joy of custom car models. I got bit by the MMORPG bug a few years back, when the game got boring I pulled out 3ds-Max and got to the fun stuff (http://dmoc.ringdev.com./ I would have kept it up too but I wound up getting married and having a son (not necesarilly in that order) which pretty much put and end to my gaming and modding time.
-Rick
http://cdoom.d3files.com/index.php?page=news
Episode 1 of the original Doom game in the Doom 3. Greatest mod ever.*
-Rick
*Note on bias, the music for CDoom was written by a friend of mine (http://sonicclang.ringdev.com/
Matters on half of what. Getting a $22 movie for $11, that's not half bad, but worth leaving your PC on all month? Nah. I can goto a local Block Buster and rent new releases for $1.50. I can open Video On Demand (Charter) and get videos instantly for $4-6. Sure VoD costs more, but I don't have to dirve anywheres, return anything, and it's instant.
The BEST way to get this to work would be to replace NetFlix. $15 a month to have access to their private P2P network. As long as you pay your monthly fee your P2P account and DRM key remain valid. Now that I might be interested in.
-Rick
I agree with you on your opinion of balances. As long as there is a balance between legal purchase and illegal downloads, the system will continue. If the consumers bend over and take it from the RIAA they will lose fair use. But if everyone downloads illegally, the RIAA will lose money, reducing artist funding, music selection, and eventually freedom (of choice) for the consumers. But if the two keep each other in check, everything will continue as is (And there will always be a corrilean battle cruiser in orbit waiting to destroy earth).
I have my own proposed solution that works on the balance theory, my DRM Soft system has the intent of protecting consumer's fair use rights while reducing (not preventing) casual piracy. You can read it here: http://slashdot.org/~RingDev/journal/126947
-Rick
I smell something alright ;)
-Rick
Solar panels kick out small voltage through out the day. True they will likely peek at the same time as your peek electricity. But the amount of power they put out at peek is not going to be much compared to your total consumption. So instead of using the power as it comes through out the day, where in the morning you may save 10kWh for say, 8 cents per kWh, you can instead store that juice in a battery for peek time and save 9kWh (due to loss) and 20 cents per kWh. Yes, it would cost extra for a battery array, which is why I listed it seperately, but with it, you could replace more of your most expencive power with the cheapest, instead of replacing a smaller amount of power through out the day.
-Rick
Some things are easier to do in the design phase. but something can be done now.
/. earlier this week, keeping the building cooler in the morning and warmer in the afternoon can drop your peek time costs.
First, pre-cool the room. There was a good article on
Second, install a solar power system. Kinda pricy, but if you have a large roof you can generate some solid power. And don't think that being in the north excludes you from solar power. Uni-Solar has a great sun index map showing what level of solar output and electrical output you can expect in any given area.
Third, going with solar, a battery array or some other type of power storage. By using the solar pannels to juice up the batteries, you can pull power from the batteries at peek time, but charge them all day.
Fourth, sub-teranian cooling. Once you get a little ways under the surface of the ground, the temperature becomes a pretty consistant mid/high 50's. Using sunken water tanks you can run 60 degree water through a radiator in your HVAC system. I know there are companies that can install these system but I can't recall any names off the top of my head.
Fith, solid state storage. If you can swing paying $50/gig as opposed to $1/gig for storage space you can dramaticly cut down on your both your cooling bill and your electric bill.But at $50,000 per ter vs $1,000 per ter, it's going to take a while to recoup the costs.
Sixth, custom server cases/cabinets. Traditional closets are great for cramming a lot of servers into a small area, but they about suck for heat management. You could fund a research project at any number of engineering schools to create a better storage solution.
-Rick
Dear Ass hat, please realise that when you are quoting you should either quote the whole sentence, or other whys indicate if you are truncating part of the thought. If you could have been bothered to read the whole sentence you would see that I am indeed specifying two points.
"...look at the high school graduation numbers now compared to 50 years ago, look at the average literacy rates."
So yes, I suppose I should write every sentence as if it were going to be reviewed by the masses and recorded for all time. That way, when some pretentious ass hat like yourself takes the debate completely off topic to trade literary barbs, I know I would be on the winning side. But this is freaking Slash Dot, not a formal debate. None of us (so far as I know) are paid to peddle our opinions here, and I have better things to do than ensure my posts are of perfect freaking grammar.
People say public schools have failed. Yet I can show success case after success case. I can show literacy rates that are dramatically higher then they were 50 years ago. I can show average education levels that are dramatically higher then they were 50 years ago. I can show that more people are receiving basic education then they were 50 years ago. And yet, people still claim that over this whole time, public schools have some how 'failed'.
People say look at the illiteracy rates, public schools have failed! And I can show you how 50% of the illiterate population did not complete high school.
People say look at how dumbed down colleges have become! And I can show you school after school that are producing the most cutting edge technology and research on the face of the planet.
People say look at how dumb kids are! And I can show you examples of generation after generation of 'dumb kids' that have become successful and highly regarded as intellectuals.
If you want to debate the topic of public schools, I'm here and up for the challenge. If you want to debate my writing abilities (or lack there of), then you can suck the snotty end of my cum flinging f' stick you jizz guzzling gutter slut. And maybe after a happy ending, I'll let you critique my capstone.
-Rick
1) Sort orders only sort current page instead of entire data list
2) Search functionality only allows searching on name
3) Key skills is a flat text field, a table with skills and years exp would be nice
-Rick
Should you really have live data, names, phone numbers, and contact info available in the demo?
-Rick
That's a great break down. And pretty true. Developing OS software is a money hole. Supporting OS software is a cash cow. The trick is to make enough money supporting the software to pay for continued development and marketing the product.
-Rick
[1]Fuck you very much too.
There were 2 different contentions. 1) Passing highschool was considered a success. and 2) Literacy is considered a success. My arguement is that even if you remove highschool graduation rates from the comparison all together, and focus only on measuring literacy, you will find an upwards trend. While high school aptitude tests can be lowered (Which prior to NCLB I doubt was an issue), literacy is significantly more static.
-Rick
That is where the position matters, the person downloading the content isn't guilty of copyright infringment, they should be guilty of petty theft or recieving stolen property at the worst.
-Rick
Luckily for 'your friend' there are many legal options to do this. Both Amazon.com and iTunes offer preview copies of songs, and with services like Yahoo music you can get 'lease' song you want legally and if you want to keep it for ever, you can buy it at will.
You are looking at this from a 'possible loss' point of view. Let's turn the tables and look at it as a 'definate gain' possibility.
Let's say that you like song ABC. You like it very much, enough to the point that you are willing to give up $12 for the band's latest CD. You the consumer see a gain in $10 worth of music and the label sees a gain of $10 cash. Now, if you are given the option to get that same CD for free and you take it, you have now seen a gain of $10 in music, but the creater of the music has not seen any gains.
At this point, you have definately gained money, and the label has definately NOT gained money. But there is more to the story. You see, that label had to pay to have the albumn produced and mastered, it had to pay the performers and buy the rights. That one $10 CD might have cost $5 million to record, produce, and market (notice I'm not including production, distrobution, or sales). True, the label will make a but load of copies to recoup that lose and make a profit. But since that is the case each copy of the content can be given an exact value. If we print and ship 1 million CDs we can say that each copy costs the label $5.
So now we have a consumer who has gained $10 in music and the label who has not been reimbersed the $5 it cost them. So the customer gains and the label loses (albeit half of what the consumer gains).
Is it unfair then to goto the consumer who downloaded the must and require them to pay the $5?
-Rick
"one teenager could supply thousands of people with tons of music without doing anything else than downloading a handful of music now and then."
Yes, and that would be hosting. Don't want to host? Turn off hosting, most P2P clients (all that I have seen) have that option be it No-host, don't share, leech mode, what ever. If you are distributing the content, then yes, you are violating copywrite laws, and IMNSHO the RIAA has every right to nail you to a cross.
-Rick
While I've never writen for Southpark, I have been quoting 'Team America' with some office mates for the last week. ;)
-Rick