And if you wonder why I defend them, it's because I know exactly the shitty situation that $10/hr employee is in. I was there. He's got the sales manager (yes, SALES) breathing down his neck about whether he'll hit his numbers for the day or not. He's got some jackass customer who jammed god-knows-what in their CD rom and thinks you should be responsible for replacing their computer as a result. He's got his classes which he has homework due for, and hasn't even cracked the book yet because he's been working. On top of all of that, he's got a store policy that tells him he's got to charge $60 just to LOOK at your computer even though he can obviously see that one of the fans is not spinning and can pretty safely assume that your graphics card has overheated. On top of all of that, he watches another guy cart his dusty, grimy computer in the door and he knows in the back of his head that the guy pushing the cart already hates him, even though they haven't met.
On top of all of that, the home office salesman who sucks at HIS job wants him to "close the sale" on a service plan that the geek squad guy, deep down, doesn't even believe in.
That situation is a lot harder to be in than you think. It's a very stressful job, far more stressful than $10/hr warrants.
I have had almost the exact same experience at a small-box store. Turns out these places hire college kids for ~$10/hr and you don't get experts when that is your talent pool. On top of that, these are private companies and are ALWAYS interested in making a buck, so they "train" these kids in such a way that if they get to the end of their knowledge, they will try to upsell you instead of admitting it.
Sure, Best Buy/Geek Squad is guilty of it, but this situation isn't nearly as unique to them as so many/.ers would like us to believe.
BTW, check out a local university's tech support group for some real smart people. They aren't generally trying to make commission or extra $$ for the college, so they will probably be much more honest with you.
So if your "car manufacturer" (I assume you meant dealer, but w/e) does this to you, you think that gives you the right to break in to their Corporate HQ and take whatever you want?
By the way, you'd be correct about the argumentum ad populum fallacy if the GP were trying to say it was ethical, but he's not. He's trying to say that in general, people don't give a rat's ass about that feature nor the fact that it was removed.
Unless said God is not bound by physics... and therefore *weight* is not a valid measurement. If God can "lift" the earth, whose gravity would pull the other way? The Sun's? What if God can "lift" the sun? This is not a valid experiment (which is the point of many other/. posters here, you can't "test" to prove or disprove God).
What if God can't lift the rock, but Chuck Norris can, and God created Chuck Norris?
In your attempt to appear smart, you actually betray yourself by saying "I would have much preferred that you used experiments that actually prove evolution" -- Unfortunately, science is actually about continuing repeatedly to disprove an idea. Only when that idea has withstood myriad tests is it actually accepted as "law" (which even then can be thrown out if it is disproved).
Ya they are. Especially that damned hippy artist. Oh, and Nova? Those guys are about as liberal as it gets! Science... psh... BTW This Old House are a bunch of commies!!!
No, cell service is not a broadband competitor. Service is far too slow here. Satellite has terrible lag times so it is also unrealistic -- I've tried it before, it's not as great as you think it is. No "WISPs" here. Not a one.
I appreciate you trying to solve this problem but believe me, I've looked. If you're considering cell service as a broadband option, then you're right, I do have more options, but they are all significantly slower here than the DSL that is offered locally, which I've already mentioned is too slow.
28,000 people is a small town where you're from? The city I live in has 12,000 and is considered one of the larger cities around. Also, we have 2 (yes, two) providers available. That's *it*. AT&T maxes out at 3mbps and Comcast goes up to 16mbps. 3mbps isn't enough for me to do what I need to do, so I have no choice.
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And if you wonder why I defend them, it's because I know exactly the shitty situation that $10/hr employee is in. I was there. He's got the sales manager (yes, SALES) breathing down his neck about whether he'll hit his numbers for the day or not. He's got some jackass customer who jammed god-knows-what in their CD rom and thinks you should be responsible for replacing their computer as a result. He's got his classes which he has homework due for, and hasn't even cracked the book yet because he's been working. On top of all of that, he's got a store policy that tells him he's got to charge $60 just to LOOK at your computer even though he can obviously see that one of the fans is not spinning and can pretty safely assume that your graphics card has overheated. On top of all of that, he watches another guy cart his dusty, grimy computer in the door and he knows in the back of his head that the guy pushing the cart already hates him, even though they haven't met.
On top of all of that, the home office salesman who sucks at HIS job wants him to "close the sale" on a service plan that the geek squad guy, deep down, doesn't even believe in.
That situation is a lot harder to be in than you think. It's a very stressful job, far more stressful than $10/hr warrants.
The issue is that a salesman did something deceptive? Have you ever bought a car? A house? Voted?
I have had almost the exact same experience at a small-box store. Turns out these places hire college kids for ~$10/hr and you don't get experts when that is your talent pool. On top of that, these are private companies and are ALWAYS interested in making a buck, so they "train" these kids in such a way that if they get to the end of their knowledge, they will try to upsell you instead of admitting it.
/.ers would like us to believe.
Sure, Best Buy/Geek Squad is guilty of it, but this situation isn't nearly as unique to them as so many
BTW, check out a local university's tech support group for some real smart people. They aren't generally trying to make commission or extra $$ for the college, so they will probably be much more honest with you.
"ZOMG, people who work at a retail store are trying to sell you something!" Really, what did you expect?
So if your "car manufacturer" (I assume you meant dealer, but w/e) does this to you, you think that gives you the right to break in to their Corporate HQ and take whatever you want?
By the way, you'd be correct about the argumentum ad populum fallacy if the GP were trying to say it was ethical, but he's not. He's trying to say that in general, people don't give a rat's ass about that feature nor the fact that it was removed.
Hmm I'm pretty sure the original didn't have strafe, either.
A good salesman TELLS the customer what they want, and convinces them he's right.
Yes, the "Don't like it? Fix it yourself!" response. GP must be a Linux guy.
Ok, I must be missing something... but is the summary implying that Ohio Police and the DEA are acting on Canadian bylaws?
Your joke would be funnier if the post wasn't already from "the checking-it-twice dept."
*crickets chirp*
Didn't we just see an article where it was decided that IPs don't map to people? http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/05/03/2020205/An-IP-Address-Does-Not-Point-To-a-Person-Judge-Rules
*Matsui!*
I spit in your general direction!
Nope, They are part of the control group of a multi-million-year experiment.
Unless said God is not bound by physics... and therefore *weight* is not a valid measurement. If God can "lift" the earth, whose gravity would pull the other way? The Sun's? What if God can "lift" the sun? This is not a valid experiment (which is the point of many other /. posters here, you can't "test" to prove or disprove God).
What if God can't lift the rock, but Chuck Norris can, and God created Chuck Norris?
In your attempt to appear smart, you actually betray yourself by saying "I would have much preferred that you used experiments that actually prove evolution" -- Unfortunately, science is actually about continuing repeatedly to disprove an idea. Only when that idea has withstood myriad tests is it actually accepted as "law" (which even then can be thrown out if it is disproved).
That's OK, his misinformed comment is still rated "(Score:5, Insightful)"
Ya they are. Especially that damned hippy artist. Oh, and Nova? Those guys are about as liberal as it gets! Science... psh... BTW This Old House are a bunch of commies!!!
That can't be true! Fox News is Fair and Balanced!
Winning.
No, cell service is not a broadband competitor. Service is far too slow here. Satellite has terrible lag times so it is also unrealistic -- I've tried it before, it's not as great as you think it is. No "WISPs" here. Not a one.
I appreciate you trying to solve this problem but believe me, I've looked. If you're considering cell service as a broadband option, then you're right, I do have more options, but they are all significantly slower here than the DSL that is offered locally, which I've already mentioned is too slow.
Come on, can't forget Donatello!
Only if you intend to provide #3 at some point!
28,000 people is a small town where you're from? The city I live in has 12,000 and is considered one of the larger cities around. Also, we have 2 (yes, two) providers available. That's *it*. AT&T maxes out at 3mbps and Comcast goes up to 16mbps. 3mbps isn't enough for me to do what I need to do, so I have no choice.
Max 3mbps here.