I have been complaining about this for years, I started noticing it with Adobe Reader, back in the Windows 3.1 era it was like 5mb installed, the last time I installed it, which was probably 10 years ago it was up to 200mb at that point I switched to Foxit Reader as it was miniscule compared to Adobe and even that now is up to 126mb? Why?
The Windows developers up until recently, seemed to be adding more and more crap that no-one wants and it runs like a dog, I think since it's been passed to the "Adults" as Paul Thurrott terms them in the Server/Azure team, there may be some movement on that. I have argued for ages that they would be better to decide whether it's Control Panel or Settings and get that sorted and decide what UI they want as it's a complete mishmash of differing styles. Then spend the next 2 releases adding performance and reducing bloat.
Also I would imagine the more excess code you cut out the smaller the surface area for attack, so it makes sense from that perspective. Also if you are attempting to port Windows to the ARM chips having a much slimmer and more performant O/S would make that more possible and a better experience!!
I worked in a Bank at that time in their back office project and we were just starting to develop back office software that would run on PCs as a prototype system, the ultimate solution was finally ported to Unisys B Series Unix boxes, so I went through DOS 3.x to Windows 3.1 and eventually all the way to Windows NT4 when the systems really started to become an alternative to the Unix kit.
I left the Bank in 1997 to go to an IT consultancy and we were XP/Vista/Windows 7 and 6 years layer in 2003 I went self employed and was quite happy with Windows 7 and Office 10. Ever since the Windows 8 debacle, it really has been a downhill slope since.
I am hopeful that the "Adult" team (coined by Paul Thurrott) who are now coding Windows, will listen to reason and produce a unified interface (decide is it Settings or Control Panel) and perhaps create a touch UI for this people who unlike me like poking around on their screens and a desktop mouse and keyboard UI with more precision for us who are the majority of Windows users who do productive work and need that precision.
I am 60 this year and like you have been around Windows since the earliest 386 versions that were really just a file manager and some test applications and this is the first year I have completely moved my main PC to Linux Mint and my server to ClearOS. I just can't stand what Windows has become. It really is a piece of spyware and an advertising platform and I suspect that contrary to what they said about Windows 10 always being free, it won't be long before you will have to start paying a subscription like they are doing with Microsoft 365 for business.
I am still working as a self employed IT Consultant and I have switched a good number of my clients over to Linux Mint or Ubuntu. I have only had 1 client who couldn't get on with Mint and reverted back to Windows and I put her onto Windows 7 to avoid the mess that is Windows 10.
I agree with the thrust of this post, I think not only Chrome but Linux may well start eating their Home User base. I really think Nadella is only interested in Azure and is quietly getting rid of the home user by forcing this crap on them so that they go away and stop pestering their support teams.
I heard something recently about the guys at Steam are starting to ramp up their systems to allow a lot of their game inventory to run on Linux so I suspect they are seeing the coming threat to their business and are getting ready for it.
I think Apple should pay its tax bills like the rest of us.
The whole company stinks and you would think that given the trillions of dollars they make they would want to support the city as I am sure if their buildings were to catch fire they would expect the city to provide a fire engine or two and some paramedics for the staff who were burnt. Add the fact that they use the roads and other infrastructure that should make them feel obliged to contribute.
I think Linux is starting to win as IT guys like me are sick of MS pissing on our parade. Each time a client who has no absolute dependency on a particular Windows application needs to update their PCs we are switching them to Linux. I am also replacing all my clients who use SBS and need a new Server with ClearOS and very few are having any need for anything different and they are liking the reduced costs.
As far as I am concerned MS are just a cloud provider now, so good luck to them.
The update fiascos we have had with Windows 10 over the last 18 months have actually made clients anti Windows 10 and for teh small clients I deal with the idea of paying a monthly subscription for Windows 10 is an absolute no-no!
Especially as they are pissing off their core IT Pros like me with the crap updates they are pushing out. KB4074588 is a shining example that has effectively bricked a good swathe of my business and personal client's computers by removing their keyboard and mouse drivers, so they are left with no easy way to get back into their PC to remove the update and get control back.
I am generally putting my personal clients onto Linux (usually Mint as it seems the easiest for a normal Windows user to grasp) when they report being sick of all the forced updates and the constant Feature updates that knock their PCs out for many hours at a time when they are trying to get on with work.
The costs of setting up an on premises equivalent of Small Business Server today is running at around £6,000 as they are trying to force you into their Office 365 subscription model where your server does just file and print and Exchange is handled by their Azure cloud. Which might be OK if you have a decent internet connection, but where I am in the "wilds of Worcestershire in the UK", a lot of my small business clients are still on 2mbps down and 0,5mbps up ADSL and no hope of getting onto anything faster for years to come.
So you are now forced to put Exchange on a second server (either genuine hardware or as a VM running on Hyper-V on a single physical server), hence the £6000 when you have paid for 2 servers, the server software and the client access licences. Also setting it all up is an absolute ball-ache (again I am sure to "encourage" you to go to their cloud).
Net result I am now offering ClearOS on much more modest hardware and for most of my small business clients does everything a Windows SBS box did for a tenth the price of their nearest modern equivalent. No brainer!
So I think for people like most of my clients, who want, or have to, keep everything under their own control and can't trust remote US companies like MS to look after their data and email are switching to a Linux server, even if they are keeping Windows to run business specific applications like Sage Accounts or whatever. I suspect a lot of ex Microsoft IT houses are slowly moving away from the MS subscription pit and are looking at Linux alternatives.
Where I live in the UK (rural Worcestershire), a lot of my clients struggle to get 2-3 mbps which is OK for browsing and email but watching anything streamed is a struggle so forcing BT to up their game and get everyone on at least 10mbps is brilliant and will finally bring us country bumpkins into the 21st Century! The other thing we have to watch for in the UK is "fair usage policies" often a provider will say they offer fast rates but there is a fair usage cap of 60gb per month and if you go over it your line gets throttled to 256k until you get back into the 60gb/month quota. So I wish they had also said it had to be unlimited usage as well.
This is one of the things Apple and now MS who copy them don't get. It may be cool and trendy to be minimalistic but its no good if you have no way of working out how it works.
When I was a kid, I used to babysit for my Mum's employer and they were relatively well off and had what seemed to me then a totally exotic Bang & Olufsen Hi-Fi. The first time I was there, they said I could use the Hi-Fi. So when the little ones were tucked up, I decided to give the super B & O turntable a go to see how it sounded.
I put the record on the turntable and then looked for how I could get the needle to go across to the record??? In those days (early 1970's) your average Pioneer or JVC that I had access to, had a lever somewhere near the needle arm that you pressed and it would lift the arm and drop it on the first track.
I was stumped, I spent the whole evening trying to find a manual (there were no smartphones or Google then) and was extremely frustrated by the time they got back. I was even more frustrated when they said you just pick the arm up and drop it near the track you want..... AAAAARRRRGGGHHHH!
To me if something is so minimalistic that you can't figure it out then it fails completely and is just an in-crowd clique thing
That was exactly how I felt the first time I used Windows 8, designers gone mad
This is exactly the issue. Multinational companies are what is behind the issues that Trump is facing and in the UK led us to want out of the EU. The EU was created with this "free movement" clause to benefit only the huge corporations. They basically do not want to train anyone, so they just poach trained cheaper labour from elsewhere. In our case it's the East Europeans who are happy to work in the UK for a pittance. In the US it's anyone as there are no restrictions so they would rather import cheap labour from anywhere and not have to train them.
I think all multinationals shoud be forced to train people from the country where they operate and get penalised severely if they just poach cheap labout from around the world.
If you're not careful you will end up like us in the UK with a twentieth of the EU's landmass and an eigth of its population living here thanks to the multinationals, now you can see why we voted out of the EU and want some control back over our borders
It does do it. I had Firefox set as default browser and after the upgrade to the next insider reease it was switched to Edge. I am not sure if it's different with the non-insider release builds, but I suspect not!
I hope they all fuck off to Ireland and stay in the EU and when it all collapses in a pile in the next 5 years I hope that we DON'T let the miserable fuckers back in! They are the main reason for the pain most households in the UK are suffering and I wish we in the UK had the balls to imprison the greedy bastards who work in the city of London and caused the 2008 banking crash like Iceland did.
We should never bail out banks again and politicians should stop sucking up and taking back handers from big business generally. Multinational companies are the cause of all trouble in the world today and should be severely punished for their actions. They are the ones who won't train the indigenous population and want free movement. It saves them money, they'd rather bring in a load of East Europeans thanks to the EU's free movement policy than fork out to train people in Britain. .
And if they can get away with it, pay these East Europeans slave wages and on zero hour contracts. It MUST be stopped. This is precisely the same as in the US and why Trump got voted in. The decent blue collar workers around the world have had enough of the "Same Old, Same Old" and want change.
So where's the great assertion that open source code is being eyeballed by millions of users so that it's intrinsically better than closed source as all these viewers would spot the error and report it or fix it if this has been in the kernel for many years and as yet unfixed.
I think in reality Open source has many users but very few are capable of reading the code and spotting the errors any more than the equivalent Windows users are, so the whole premise that Open Source code is any better than closed source code is a fallacy!
I think open source has been lucky to date that relatively few malicious hackers have spent time poking around in the code so it was the small numbers of target systems that was keeping the vulnerabilities down not the superiority of the code. I think open source needs to get off its high horse and get some serious security specialists to go through the code and identify the weaknesses and get the code fixed. Open SSL should have been the alarm bell that triggered this.
I think Apple should get off its high horse and stop using serious issues like this as yet another way to market its products.
I can see no reason why if law enforcement believes there is sufficient information on any device to nail a pedo or terrorist or any other criminal, they get a warrant signed by a judge (so it's not an easy thing to do by rogue cops) then the likes of Apple could be given the phone asked to recover all usable data and then return the phone and the recovered data on a USB stick in unencrypted form. This would not a) be opening up Apple to their unlock tool being released into the wild, it would never leave the building and b) this would not be unconstitutional.
I am British and not a lawyer, but I can't see that the cops getting a warrant signed by a judge would contravene any person's constitutional rights.
Apple would not need to be seen to be opening backdoors into their kit as there would be none. I am sure they can take the ID of the phone from whatever chip holds that in it and use that to get the user's details from whatever server they have that holds stored ID's and unlock it, copy the data off, lock it back up and return it to the cops.
I think they are using it as a way of saying we are the people to use if you want to sock it to the man! Instead they should be paying their taxes around the world and being a good citizen in the US. I hope Mr Trump kicks them into shape.
I think the people of California should go and live in China and see what their undemocratic views really end up becoming.
The rest of their country voted Trump in and that was a democratic decision by the people of the US. Part of living in a democracy is to gracefully accept when the majority of your fellow citizens disagree with you that you must happily abide by that decision.
Certainly you have a right to protest when clearly what Trump is doing is seen to actually be bad, I would defend that, but the guy isn't even in office yet.
To start calling for California to leave the US is just being childish and a spoilt brat, what is up with people nowadays. We are having the same thing here in the UK where the spoilt brats in London can't accept that they and their peers elsewhere in the country were offered a vote to leave the EU, and the vast majority of us did and are now trying to undo it because they think their minority view is more important than the rest of us.... F U C K O F F !!!
I agree with you entirely. There seems to be a generation coming along that want another vote and another vote until they get the result they want.
Have they not understood the meaning of the word democracy.
I have been totally ashamed at the whining political classes here in the UK where I am, trying to eject a labour leader who has been democratically elected by a vast majority of the labour root and branch members, just because he doesn't say what they think is what the parliamentary labour party should be saying.
Likewise with our leaving the EU vote; the London elite (who along with their large corporations) feel we the plebs out in the real world should listen to them as they are far more important than we are and because we voted to get out of the EU and are absolutely wrong about that, they are whining and interfering trying to delay the will of the majority.
Now it's happening in the US, I think if Trump really shakes up your politicians like we need to do with ours and make them see that what goes on in the Washington bubble is not what the vast majority of the real people who live away from Washington have to put up with. They pay their taxes and spend their money so that the elite get richer and yet further removed from reality and they, like us in the UK, have had enough of their bullshit. We are just as important as them when it comes to a vote. Politicians should represent the people not their own selfish aspirations. I think too many of them are in the pay of lobby groups so cannot represent the people and should be removed and replaced with people who do want the best for their constituents.
I hope Mr Trump really upsets the Apple cart and does what he says he will do and does not get turned into another uncaring member of the elite who run government for their own end. When he first came out and said a lot of outrageous things I was deeply concerned, but more recently he is seeming more statesmanlike and has toned down the outrageous comments so I hope that was just to get headlines and break through and now we are seeing the real man.
And to all the whiners, shut the f@ck up and accept that the majority of your peers have spoken and accept democracy.
I don't know who they studied but their concusion was wrong. I was born in 58 and I have not met anyone born in subsequent generations who works harder than me. They feel hard done to if they are working 10 minutes past 5pm and I am often working hours later to ensure a piece of work goes out on time! Also they spend most of their time staring at stupid cat videos or snapchats from their mates instead of doing real work.
Unlike me you sound knowledgeable on this subject, can you explain to me why it is in the 21st century we still have issues with lip synch on streamed video and movies on DVD and Blu-Ray players. The amount of times I watch a video and the video is either ahead or behind the action on screen drives me mad. I would have thought by now there was a codec that could constantly check some kind of time marker in the video file that keeps the video and audio together.
Is it the codec, the video players we have on PCs or just video encoding techniques that are just not very good?
First off I voted out, the main reason was because I do not want to be ruled by someone I did not vote for or more importantly I can vote out if I don't like what they are doing. Secondly because our country is overcrowded we are a small island and cannot cope with the number of people we have already and the EU's policy of free movement means we cannot control how many people come to the UK. Thirdly I think economically the EU is doomed. Greece is on life support, Italy, Spain France and Portugal are all struggling. One currency and one economic policy does not make sense with such diverse countries. Staying in would have meant we would have been pulled down with them, so all this postulation that we are better in the EU rather than out is just a guess and therefore no better than my guess that we will be better out of it.
I am appalled at a) the Scots who think that just because all their voting regions voted stay they have some right to block the rest of the UK who voted by majority of over 1 million people to leave the EU. That's not democracy, you can't just elect to ignore a referendum because it doesn't suit you. The majority of the UK voted out, that's it, grow up and accept democracy!
b) I am appalled at how biased the BBC have been throughout the lead up and after the referendum. It's very noticeable that the London area was one of the few parts of England that wanted to remain and the once highly trusted BBC have favoured the remain campaign, none of the totally bogus arguments have been seriously questioned by the BBC. Tonight I was watching them interviewing a couple at the Glastonbury festival. They were remain voters who moaned about the result, why was there no interview with 2 other youngsters who wanted to come out?! The BBC has lost my support over this they were and still are biased in favour of remain.
If the London bubble doesn't sit up and listen to the rest of the UK and pay attention to what we have told them, I am seriously worried about what the consequences will be. I really do think that the political elite in the UK are becoming so far removed from the vast majority of the country that we could be heading for a major revolt. The hard working people who live North of Watford Gap are sick of the London elite thinking that what they want is right for the rest of us! It's not!
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I have been complaining about this for years, I started noticing it with Adobe Reader, back in the Windows 3.1 era it was like 5mb installed, the last time I installed it, which was probably 10 years ago it was up to 200mb at that point I switched to Foxit Reader as it was miniscule compared to Adobe and even that now is up to 126mb? Why?
The Windows developers up until recently, seemed to be adding more and more crap that no-one wants and it runs like a dog, I think since it's been passed to the "Adults" as Paul Thurrott terms them in the Server/Azure team, there may be some movement on that. I have argued for ages that they would be better to decide whether it's Control Panel or Settings and get that sorted and decide what UI they want as it's a complete mishmash of differing styles. Then spend the next 2 releases adding performance and reducing bloat.
Also I would imagine the more excess code you cut out the smaller the surface area for attack, so it makes sense from that perspective. Also if you are attempting to port Windows to the ARM chips having a much slimmer and more performant O/S would make that more possible and a better experience!!
Siv
I worked in a Bank at that time in their back office project and we were just starting to develop back office software that would run on PCs as a prototype system, the ultimate solution was finally ported to Unisys B Series Unix boxes, so I went through DOS 3.x to Windows 3.1 and eventually all the way to Windows NT4 when the systems really started to become an alternative to the Unix kit.
I left the Bank in 1997 to go to an IT consultancy and we were XP/Vista/Windows 7 and 6 years layer in 2003 I went self employed and was quite happy with Windows 7 and Office 10. Ever since the Windows 8 debacle, it really has been a downhill slope since.
I am hopeful that the "Adult" team (coined by Paul Thurrott) who are now coding Windows, will listen to reason and produce a unified interface (decide is it Settings or Control Panel) and perhaps create a touch UI for this people who unlike me like poking around on their screens and a desktop mouse and keyboard UI with more precision for us who are the majority of Windows users who do productive work and need that precision.
Siv
I am 60 this year and like you have been around Windows since the earliest 386 versions that were really just a file manager and some test applications and this is the first year I have completely moved my main PC to Linux Mint and my server to ClearOS. I just can't stand what Windows has become. It really is a piece of spyware and an advertising platform and I suspect that contrary to what they said about Windows 10 always being free, it won't be long before you will have to start paying a subscription like they are doing with Microsoft 365 for business.
I am still working as a self employed IT Consultant and I have switched a good number of my clients over to Linux Mint or Ubuntu. I have only had 1 client who couldn't get on with Mint and reverted back to Windows and I put her onto Windows 7 to avoid the mess that is Windows 10.
I agree with the thrust of this post, I think not only Chrome but Linux may well start eating their Home User base. I really think Nadella is only interested in Azure and is quietly getting rid of the home user by forcing this crap on them so that they go away and stop pestering their support teams.
I heard something recently about the guys at Steam are starting to ramp up their systems to allow a lot of their game inventory to run on Linux so I suspect they are seeing the coming threat to their business and are getting ready for it.
Thanks God for Linus Torvalds and free software.
I think Apple should pay its tax bills like the rest of us.
The whole company stinks and you would think that given the trillions of dollars they make they would want to support the city as I am sure if their buildings were to catch fire they would expect the city to provide a fire engine or two and some paramedics for the staff who were burnt. Add the fact that they use the roads and other infrastructure that should make them feel obliged to contribute.
I think US tech giants need reeling in!
Siv
I think Linux is starting to win as IT guys like me are sick of MS pissing on our parade. Each time a client who has no absolute dependency on a particular Windows application needs to update their PCs we are switching them to Linux. I am also replacing all my clients who use SBS and need a new Server with ClearOS and very few are having any need for anything different and they are liking the reduced costs.
As far as I am concerned MS are just a cloud provider now, so good luck to them.
The update fiascos we have had with Windows 10 over the last 18 months have actually made clients anti Windows 10 and for teh small clients I deal with the idea of paying a monthly subscription for Windows 10 is an absolute no-no!
Especially as they are pissing off their core IT Pros like me with the crap updates they are pushing out. KB4074588 is a shining example that has effectively bricked a good swathe of my business and personal client's computers by removing their keyboard and mouse drivers, so they are left with no easy way to get back into their PC to remove the update and get control back.
I am generally putting my personal clients onto Linux (usually Mint as it seems the easiest for a normal Windows user to grasp) when they report being sick of all the forced updates and the constant Feature updates that knock their PCs out for many hours at a time when they are trying to get on with work.
The costs of setting up an on premises equivalent of Small Business Server today is running at around £6,000 as they are trying to force you into their Office 365 subscription model where your server does just file and print and Exchange is handled by their Azure cloud. Which might be OK if you have a decent internet connection, but where I am in the "wilds of Worcestershire in the UK", a lot of my small business clients are still on 2mbps down and 0,5mbps up ADSL and no hope of getting onto anything faster for years to come.
So you are now forced to put Exchange on a second server (either genuine hardware or as a VM running on Hyper-V on a single physical server), hence the £6000 when you have paid for 2 servers, the server software and the client access licences. Also setting it all up is an absolute ball-ache (again I am sure to "encourage" you to go to their cloud).
Net result I am now offering ClearOS on much more modest hardware and for most of my small business clients does everything a Windows SBS box did for a tenth the price of their nearest modern equivalent. No brainer!
So I think for people like most of my clients, who want, or have to, keep everything under their own control and can't trust remote US companies like MS to look after their data and email are switching to a Linux server, even if they are keeping Windows to run business specific applications like Sage Accounts or whatever. I suspect a lot of ex Microsoft IT houses are slowly moving away from the MS subscription pit and are looking at Linux alternatives.
Where I live in the UK (rural Worcestershire), a lot of my clients struggle to get 2-3 mbps which is OK for browsing and email but watching anything streamed is a struggle so forcing BT to up their game and get everyone on at least 10mbps is brilliant and will finally bring us country bumpkins into the 21st Century!
The other thing we have to watch for in the UK is "fair usage policies" often a provider will say they offer fast rates but there is a fair usage cap of 60gb per month and if you go over it your line gets throttled to 256k until you get back into the 60gb/month quota. So I wish they had also said it had to be unlimited usage as well.
This is one of the things Apple and now MS who copy them don't get. It may be cool and trendy to be minimalistic but its no good if you have no way of working out how it works.
When I was a kid, I used to babysit for my Mum's employer and they were relatively well off and had what seemed to me then a totally exotic Bang & Olufsen Hi-Fi. The first time I was there, they said I could use the Hi-Fi. So when the little ones were tucked up, I decided to give the super B & O turntable a go to see how it sounded.
I put the record on the turntable and then looked for how I could get the needle to go across to the record??? In those days (early 1970's) your average Pioneer or JVC that I had access to, had a lever somewhere near the needle arm that you pressed and it would lift the arm and drop it on the first track.
I was stumped, I spent the whole evening trying to find a manual (there were no smartphones or Google then) and was extremely frustrated by the time they got back. I was even more frustrated when they said you just pick the arm up and drop it near the track you want..... AAAAARRRRGGGHHHH!
To me if something is so minimalistic that you can't figure it out then it fails completely and is just an in-crowd clique thing
That was exactly how I felt the first time I used Windows 8, designers gone mad
Me to can't get through at all!
I think you need to look up the Reverend Spooner!
In the UK we have terms like:
Betty Swollocks (Americans don't understand this one) :)
Cupid Stunt!
Centle Mase
Jut nob
etc etc.
This is exactly the issue. Multinational companies are what is behind the issues that Trump is facing and in the UK led us to want out of the EU. The EU was created with this "free movement" clause to benefit only the huge corporations. They basically do not want to train anyone, so they just poach trained cheaper labour from elsewhere. In our case it's the East Europeans who are happy to work in the UK for a pittance. In the US it's anyone as there are no restrictions so they would rather import cheap labour from anywhere and not have to train them.
I think all multinationals shoud be forced to train people from the country where they operate and get penalised severely if they just poach cheap labout from around the world.
If you're not careful you will end up like us in the UK with a twentieth of the EU's landmass and an eigth of its population living here thanks to the multinationals, now you can see why we voted out of the EU and want some control back over our borders
Yes that bloody Larson-Green woman! It all ended with Metro and thank God that's been consigned to history!
It does do it. I had Firefox set as default browser and after the upgrade to the next insider reease it was switched to Edge.
I am not sure if it's different with the non-insider release builds, but I suspect not!
I hope they all fuck off to Ireland and stay in the EU and when it all collapses in a pile in the next 5 years I hope that we DON'T let the miserable fuckers back in!
They are the main reason for the pain most households in the UK are suffering and I wish we in the UK had the balls to imprison the greedy bastards who work in the city of London and caused the 2008 banking crash like Iceland did.
We should never bail out banks again and politicians should stop sucking up and taking back handers from big business generally. Multinational companies are the cause of all trouble in the world today and should be severely punished for their actions. They are the ones who won't train the indigenous population and want free movement. It saves them money, they'd rather bring in a load of East Europeans thanks to the EU's free movement policy than fork out to train people in Britain.
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And if they can get away with it, pay these East Europeans slave wages and on zero hour contracts. It MUST be stopped. This is precisely the same as in the US and why Trump got voted in. The decent blue collar workers around the world have had enough of the "Same Old, Same Old" and want change.
So where's the great assertion that open source code is being eyeballed by millions of users so that it's intrinsically better than closed source as all these viewers would spot the error and report it or fix it if this has been in the kernel for many years and as yet unfixed.
I think in reality Open source has many users but very few are capable of reading the code and spotting the errors any more than the equivalent Windows users are, so the whole premise that Open Source code is any better than closed source code is a fallacy!
I think open source has been lucky to date that relatively few malicious hackers have spent time poking around in the code so it was the small numbers of target systems that was keeping the vulnerabilities down not the superiority of the code. I think open source needs to get off its high horse and get some serious security specialists to go through the code and identify the weaknesses and get the code fixed. Open SSL should have been the alarm bell that triggered this.
Siv
I think Apple should get off its high horse and stop using serious issues like this as yet another way to market its products. I can see no reason why if law enforcement believes there is sufficient information on any device to nail a pedo or terrorist or any other criminal, they get a warrant signed by a judge (so it's not an easy thing to do by rogue cops) then the likes of Apple could be given the phone asked to recover all usable data and then return the phone and the recovered data on a USB stick in unencrypted form. This would not a) be opening up Apple to their unlock tool being released into the wild, it would never leave the building and b) this would not be unconstitutional. I am British and not a lawyer, but I can't see that the cops getting a warrant signed by a judge would contravene any person's constitutional rights. Apple would not need to be seen to be opening backdoors into their kit as there would be none. I am sure they can take the ID of the phone from whatever chip holds that in it and use that to get the user's details from whatever server they have that holds stored ID's and unlock it, copy the data off, lock it back up and return it to the cops. I think they are using it as a way of saying we are the people to use if you want to sock it to the man! Instead they should be paying their taxes around the world and being a good citizen in the US. I hope Mr Trump kicks them into shape.
I think the people of California should go and live in China and see what their undemocratic views really end up becoming.
The rest of their country voted Trump in and that was a democratic decision by the people of the US. Part of living in a democracy is to gracefully accept when the majority of your fellow citizens disagree with you that you must happily abide by that decision.
Certainly you have a right to protest when clearly what Trump is doing is seen to actually be bad, I would defend that, but the guy isn't even in office yet.
To start calling for California to leave the US is just being childish and a spoilt brat, what is up with people nowadays. We are having the same thing here in the UK where the spoilt brats in London can't accept that they and their peers elsewhere in the country were offered a vote to leave the EU, and the vast majority of us did and are now trying to undo it because they think their minority view is more important than the rest of us.... F U C K O F F !!!
I agree with you entirely. There seems to be a generation coming along that want another vote and another vote until they get the result they want. Have they not understood the meaning of the word democracy.
I have been totally ashamed at the whining political classes here in the UK where I am, trying to eject a labour leader who has been democratically elected by a vast majority of the labour root and branch members, just because he doesn't say what they think is what the parliamentary labour party should be saying.
Likewise with our leaving the EU vote; the London elite (who along with their large corporations) feel we the plebs out in the real world should listen to them as they are far more important than we are and because we voted to get out of the EU and are absolutely wrong about that, they are whining and interfering trying to delay the will of the majority.
Now it's happening in the US, I think if Trump really shakes up your politicians like we need to do with ours and make them see that what goes on in the Washington bubble is not what the vast majority of the real people who live away from Washington have to put up with. They pay their taxes and spend their money so that the elite get richer and yet further removed from reality and they, like us in the UK, have had enough of their bullshit. We are just as important as them when it comes to a vote. Politicians should represent the people not their own selfish aspirations. I think too many of them are in the pay of lobby groups so cannot represent the people and should be removed and replaced with people who do want the best for their constituents.
I hope Mr Trump really upsets the Apple cart and does what he says he will do and does not get turned into another uncaring member of the elite who run government for their own end. When he first came out and said a lot of outrageous things I was deeply concerned, but more recently he is seeming more statesmanlike and has toned down the outrageous comments so I hope that was just to get headlines and break through and now we are seeing the real man.
And to all the whiners, shut the f@ck up and accept that the majority of your peers have spoken and accept democracy.
I don't know who they studied but their concusion was wrong. I was born in 58 and I have not met anyone born in subsequent generations who works harder than me. They feel hard done to if they are working 10 minutes past 5pm and I am often working hours later to ensure a piece of work goes out on time! Also they spend most of their time staring at stupid cat videos or snapchats from their mates instead of doing real work.
Get off my lawn!
I think Vietnam might be an exception. Possibly Korea too depending on what angle you are coming from!
I am sorry who uses Python for anything serious!?
Off topic, but related.
Unlike me you sound knowledgeable on this subject, can you explain to me why it is in the 21st century we still have issues with lip synch on streamed video and movies on DVD and Blu-Ray players. The amount of times I watch a video and the video is either ahead or behind the action on screen drives me mad. I would have thought by now there was a codec that could constantly check some kind of time marker in the video file that keeps the video and audio together.
Is it the codec, the video players we have on PCs or just video encoding techniques that are just not very good?
Siv
In my experience they are usually Mac users!
First off I voted out, the main reason was because I do not want to be ruled by someone I did not vote for or more importantly I can vote out if I don't like what they are doing. Secondly because our country is overcrowded we are a small island and cannot cope with the number of people we have already and the EU's policy of free movement means we cannot control how many people come to the UK. Thirdly I think economically the EU is doomed. Greece is on life support, Italy, Spain France and Portugal are all struggling. One currency and one economic policy does not make sense with such diverse countries. Staying in would have meant we would have been pulled down with them, so all this postulation that we are better in the EU rather than out is just a guess and therefore no better than my guess that we will be better out of it.
I am appalled at a) the Scots who think that just because all their voting regions voted stay they have some right to block the rest of the UK who voted by majority of over 1 million people to leave the EU. That's not democracy, you can't just elect to ignore a referendum because it doesn't suit you. The majority of the UK voted out, that's it, grow up and accept democracy!
b) I am appalled at how biased the BBC have been throughout the lead up and after the referendum. It's very noticeable that the London area was one of the few parts of England that wanted to remain and the once highly trusted BBC have favoured the remain campaign, none of the totally bogus arguments have been seriously questioned by the BBC. Tonight I was watching them interviewing a couple at the Glastonbury festival. They were remain voters who moaned about the result, why was there no interview with 2 other youngsters who wanted to come out?! The BBC has lost my support over this they were and still are biased in favour of remain.
If the London bubble doesn't sit up and listen to the rest of the UK and pay attention to what we have told them, I am seriously worried about what the consequences will be. I really do think that the political elite in the UK are becoming so far removed from the vast majority of the country that we could be heading for a major revolt. The hard working people who live North of Watford Gap are sick of the London elite thinking that what they want is right for the rest of us! It's not!