Inside of an applet? Java has 64 bit distributions. Just go to java.sun.com and download them.
The GP was merely claiming that there may not be a 64 bit applet plugin for browsers.
All I know is that we just had a 5-4 supreme court vote in favor of law and order. If McCain won, that balance will probably tilt into 4-5 hell.
I know Obama would appoint someone that favors the rule of law. The fact that he's much more pro-civil rights is just sweet icing on the cake.
I'm willing to just say fuck it when it comes to health care. I oppose national health care, but I care a lot more about civil rights. And, since any Republican is going to outspend any Democrat, it seems that the money might as well go to health care.
Could you explain what you mean by "Only the suicidal? Please."?
I suppose you might mean that some people don't like themselves enough that they would ever wish that anyone else would be like them, but they do like themselves enough that they don't want to commit suicide.
As far as being vain or arrogant, I think that's unfair. The very act of having a child (on purpose) is a decision to try to raise another human being using your own value system.
Many people are just trying to be loving parents, but they do make decisions about what they want the child to be like and do their best to encourage those traits. Is that vanity? Perhaps it is, but if it is then vanity can't always be bad.
I agree with you about it not being personal immortality (except for the case of neuron by neuron replacement).
It would be like giving birth perhaps, you spawn off a part of yourself. To me it would feel utterly futile. Where's the benefit to me (by which I mean my internal monologue, my continuous experience of life), other than in terms of vanity?
It seems to me that only the suicidal do not value who they are. If I think I'm living a good life and doing good things and thinking good thoughts, how can it be bad that I want to create another being just like that?
Up until now, the reason we need humility is because it isn't actually possible to do it. Attempts to do it with children must be tempered with humility or you'll end up oppressing the child.
But, if I can create a perfect copy of myself, this humility isn't really necessary any more except insofar as we need to recognize what can be improved in ourselves. In that case, the copy should be directly modified to be the perfect person we wish we were.
I don't see why there is anything at all wrong with any of that. It may not be personal immortality, but it is a technological form of personal perfection.
The definition of murder cannot possibly be "any willful act, knowingly undertaken, which causes the death of another person". If it was, the concept of manslaughter would not exist.
Are any of you people even interested in the point I was making? All three responders to my original post seem to be more interested in talking about my analogy than they are about discussing the original post.
I'll work on a better analogy for next time. There will be a next time because the original fallacy I was trying to point out is a very common one.
We'll agree to disagree then. You make a valid point about my assumptions, but you seem more interested in attacking me with your childish "even shittier logic" comment than you are in having a philosophical discussion.
You are good at rhetorical flourishes, but you seem to have no intention of approaching the original topic discussion.
Feel free to make the last comment if it makes you feel better. I promise not to respond.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that Bob could prevent his dog from pissing on Jim's shoes.
You are correct that I did not make a formal logical proof. A complete formal proof would require that I first define what conditions need to be met in order for the dog to be out of control. I would need to define the relationship between Bob and Jim so that we can know whether or not Bob actually wanted the dog to piss on Jim's shoes.
But, I think you're being overly critical. I was responding to a post where they made the common mistake of saying that if A is not as bad as B then A cannot possibly be called bad because B is so much more bad.
But, that analogy doesn't match what was said. The original poster was implying that the US government commits acts of terrorism. That does not mean that they were equating the US with a specific group of terrorists.
If I say that my neighbor's car alarm is worse than Osama Bin Laden, that does not mean that I want people to think that my neighbor's car alarm brought down the WTC towers.
If Jim calls Bob's dog out of control because it pissed on his shoes, it is not logical for Bob to respond by saying that his dog clearly is not out of control because it has not yet mauled Jim to death.
Has anyone done the calculations on that? How much energy would be required to take a brain dead whale (biologically engineer it to be brain dead at the time of birth to avoid moral issues), put it on life support in a tank that is just large enough to hold an adult whale, then let it grow until it reaches full size.
I'm guessing that it would be more than would be required just to directly produce oil from basic elements. But we won't know until someone runs the calculations.
Windows reports both the prefixed value and the exact number of bytes in the form: 9.29MB (9,749,149 bytes). Perhaps it would be best if, instead of advertising hard drives as 1TB they should list them as 1,123,456,789,012 byte hard drives.
Anyway, I think you're being a bit harsh. It's my understanding that every hard drive ever produced has used metric units to identify the size. There is nothing in the construction of a hard drive which implies that the amount of information on it will be a power of two. Heck, if you want to get into the details I'm sure that a unit system in base PI would be more relevant due to the circularity of the discs.
Knowing this, operating systems were still written to display sizes using the base 2 units. It seems to me that if anyone should be sued it's the operating systems people who knowingly used base 2 units even when ever hard drive was sold using the base 10 units.
Honestly, this argument is ridiculous. Years ago some asses decided to commandeer a few perfectly good metric prefixes rather than invent new ones of their own. What would people say if someone tried that now? Standards are king.
Well, you got a 5 while I got a 2, so apparently the people have spoken. *smile*
I still think it's an asinine thing to sue over. Even if someone is confused by this, they won't be confused more than once because all manufacturers of portable devices are going to use the SI standard because the OS standard will make them look smaller.
The average non-techy person isn't going to assume 1GB=1024^3 bytes.
They're going to look at the 10GB one and think that it's twice as large as the 5GB model which is 5 times the size of the 1GB model which they currently own.
If they currently have X songs filling up the 1GB model then they'll look at the 10GB model and think "wow! X*10 storage!"
The whole GB vs GiB thing is an argument that is relevant only to geeks and lawyers. The only important thing to average consumers is that all MP3 players be consistent with what a GB is so that they can make a relative comparison.
I personally happen to think that RAM should simply be labelled as GiB instead of GB. You may think it looks weird, but we'd all eventually get used to it just like everyone soon (within weeks) got used to the name "Wii".
Making a successful plan is not the same as making a genius plan. The Bush administration is clearly capable of making successful plans that are moronic in the extreme.
See, this is why the concept of Godwinning was invented in the first place. People just go nuts with it.
But, since I brought it up I guess I'll continue it by saying that the comparison to Hitler is not meant to be literal. It's not a one-for-one comparison. It's a statement of hatred. Hitler is dead. There is no point in hating him to a great degree. I hate Bush more than I hate Hitler. Hitler is just a placeholder for [insert someone that deserves to be hated].
Anyway, my original comment did not compare Bush to Hitler. I simply referred to Bush as one of the people that I use instead of Hitler when I need to compare someone to a detestable person.
If it makes you feel better, if Hitler was still alive today and he was the US president then I'd hate him more than Bush. Does that help? *smile*
So now mentioning WWII is Godwinning? Is there a website somewhere that tells me what I'm allowed to talk about without being subject to a Godwinattack?
Seriously though, I've actually modified the way I talk as a result. If I feel like referring to Hitler, I substitute Bush or Saddam or Mussolini to avoid a Godwinattack (although Mussolini is a little risky). If I want to refer to concentration camps I instead refer to Gitmo.
I can't tell whether that makes Godwinazis happy or not.
Since only gripers are posting I figured I'd chime in and say that I like the dynamic interface. Given that you can choose to use the older interface if you want to in the site config, I don't see why anyone should complain.
Slashdot pages are very very long after many people have commented. Needing to reload the page or open a new tab just to see a single comment is just not an enjoyable user experience (IMO).
Slashdot has always had the best discussion system on the net. Now it has the best forum UI too.
Given that the discussion system has kept back the griefers who make every other social site unenjoyable, I think slashdot is doing extremely well.
Does anyone actually know that a tiny black hole would gain mass by simply colliding with other matter? The mass that enters a black hole has to go somewhere. Atoms don't normally just fuse together when they collide because they have repulsive properties that push other atoms away when they get too close. Sure, a tiny black hole wouldn't have the same sort of force pushing away, but I sort of imagined that particles would drift close to the event horizon, but not be able to pass because there isn't any room on the other side to enter into.
This is offtopic, but could you explain your sig "There are 10 people in the world: those who know about number systems with sufficiently large bases."?
Obviously it's a take on the joke about binary. But your sig implies that there is some mathematical number system where "10" would refer to a single object. I can't make any sense out of that.
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Java is all about the server side. Click the link in my to see a site written almost entirely in java (with no client side java whatsoever).
Inside of an applet? Java has 64 bit distributions. Just go to java.sun.com and download them. The GP was merely claiming that there may not be a 64 bit applet plugin for browsers.
All I know is that we just had a 5-4 supreme court vote in favor of law and order. If McCain won, that balance will probably tilt into 4-5 hell. I know Obama would appoint someone that favors the rule of law. The fact that he's much more pro-civil rights is just sweet icing on the cake. I'm willing to just say fuck it when it comes to health care. I oppose national health care, but I care a lot more about civil rights. And, since any Republican is going to outspend any Democrat, it seems that the money might as well go to health care.
Could you explain what you mean by "Only the suicidal? Please."? I suppose you might mean that some people don't like themselves enough that they would ever wish that anyone else would be like them, but they do like themselves enough that they don't want to commit suicide. As far as being vain or arrogant, I think that's unfair. The very act of having a child (on purpose) is a decision to try to raise another human being using your own value system. Many people are just trying to be loving parents, but they do make decisions about what they want the child to be like and do their best to encourage those traits. Is that vanity? Perhaps it is, but if it is then vanity can't always be bad. I agree with you about it not being personal immortality (except for the case of neuron by neuron replacement).
It seems to me that only the suicidal do not value who they are. If I think I'm living a good life and doing good things and thinking good thoughts, how can it be bad that I want to create another being just like that?
Up until now, the reason we need humility is because it isn't actually possible to do it. Attempts to do it with children must be tempered with humility or you'll end up oppressing the child.
But, if I can create a perfect copy of myself, this humility isn't really necessary any more except insofar as we need to recognize what can be improved in ourselves. In that case, the copy should be directly modified to be the perfect person we wish we were.
I don't see why there is anything at all wrong with any of that. It may not be personal immortality, but it is a technological form of personal perfection.
The definition of murder cannot possibly be "any willful act, knowingly undertaken, which causes the death of another person". If it was, the concept of manslaughter would not exist.
Are any of you people even interested in the point I was making? All three responders to my original post seem to be more interested in talking about my analogy than they are about discussing the original post.
I'll work on a better analogy for next time. There will be a next time because the original fallacy I was trying to point out is a very common one.
We'll agree to disagree then. You make a valid point about my assumptions, but you seem more interested in attacking me with your childish "even shittier logic" comment than you are in having a philosophical discussion.
You are good at rhetorical flourishes, but you seem to have no intention of approaching the original topic discussion.
Feel free to make the last comment if it makes you feel better. I promise not to respond.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that Bob could prevent his dog from pissing on Jim's shoes.
You are correct that I did not make a formal logical proof. A complete formal proof would require that I first define what conditions need to be met in order for the dog to be out of control. I would need to define the relationship between Bob and Jim so that we can know whether or not Bob actually wanted the dog to piss on Jim's shoes.
But, I think you're being overly critical. I was responding to a post where they made the common mistake of saying that if A is not as bad as B then A cannot possibly be called bad because B is so much more bad.
You are right within the context of your analogy.
But, that analogy doesn't match what was said. The original poster was implying that the US government commits acts of terrorism. That does not mean that they were equating the US with a specific group of terrorists.
If I say that my neighbor's car alarm is worse than Osama Bin Laden, that does not mean that I want people to think that my neighbor's car alarm brought down the WTC towers.
If Jim calls Bob's dog out of control because it pissed on his shoes, it is not logical for Bob to respond by saying that his dog clearly is not out of control because it has not yet mauled Jim to death.
About an hour ago I searched for a restaurant using the yellowpages.com distance search.
Has anyone done the calculations on that? How much energy would be required to take a brain dead whale (biologically engineer it to be brain dead at the time of birth to avoid moral issues), put it on life support in a tank that is just large enough to hold an adult whale, then let it grow until it reaches full size.
I'm guessing that it would be more than would be required just to directly produce oil from basic elements. But we won't know until someone runs the calculations.
Windows reports both the prefixed value and the exact number of bytes in the form: 9.29MB (9,749,149 bytes). Perhaps it would be best if, instead of advertising hard drives as 1TB they should list them as 1,123,456,789,012 byte hard drives.
Anyway, I think you're being a bit harsh. It's my understanding that every hard drive ever produced has used metric units to identify the size. There is nothing in the construction of a hard drive which implies that the amount of information on it will be a power of two. Heck, if you want to get into the details I'm sure that a unit system in base PI would be more relevant due to the circularity of the discs.
Knowing this, operating systems were still written to display sizes using the base 2 units. It seems to me that if anyone should be sued it's the operating systems people who knowingly used base 2 units even when ever hard drive was sold using the base 10 units.
Honestly, this argument is ridiculous. Years ago some asses decided to commandeer a few perfectly good metric prefixes rather than invent new ones of their own. What would people say if someone tried that now? Standards are king.
Well, you got a 5 while I got a 2, so apparently the people have spoken. *smile*
I still think it's an asinine thing to sue over. Even if someone is confused by this, they won't be confused more than once because all manufacturers of portable devices are going to use the SI standard because the OS standard will make them look smaller.
The average non-techy person isn't going to assume 1GB=1024^3 bytes.
They're going to look at the 10GB one and think that it's twice as large as the 5GB model which is 5 times the size of the 1GB model which they currently own.
If they currently have X songs filling up the 1GB model then they'll look at the 10GB model and think "wow! X*10 storage!"
The whole GB vs GiB thing is an argument that is relevant only to geeks and lawyers. The only important thing to average consumers is that all MP3 players be consistent with what a GB is so that they can make a relative comparison.
I personally happen to think that RAM should simply be labelled as GiB instead of GB. You may think it looks weird, but we'd all eventually get used to it just like everyone soon (within weeks) got used to the name "Wii".
My neighbor's car alarm is worse than Hitler.
See what I did there? I'm obviously claiming that my neighbor's car alarm killed millions of jews.
Some people might get confused and think I was merely expressing intense dislike for my neighbor's car alarm, but people like you know what I mean.
Making a successful plan is not the same as making a genius plan. The Bush administration is clearly capable of making successful plans that are moronic in the extreme.
See, this is why the concept of Godwinning was invented in the first place. People just go nuts with it.
But, since I brought it up I guess I'll continue it by saying that the comparison to Hitler is not meant to be literal. It's not a one-for-one comparison. It's a statement of hatred. Hitler is dead. There is no point in hating him to a great degree. I hate Bush more than I hate Hitler. Hitler is just a placeholder for [insert someone that deserves to be hated].
Anyway, my original comment did not compare Bush to Hitler. I simply referred to Bush as one of the people that I use instead of Hitler when I need to compare someone to a detestable person.
If it makes you feel better, if Hitler was still alive today and he was the US president then I'd hate him more than Bush. Does that help? *smile*
So now mentioning WWII is Godwinning? Is there a website somewhere that tells me what I'm allowed to talk about without being subject to a Godwinattack?
Seriously though, I've actually modified the way I talk as a result. If I feel like referring to Hitler, I substitute Bush or Saddam or Mussolini to avoid a Godwinattack (although Mussolini is a little risky). If I want to refer to concentration camps I instead refer to Gitmo.
I can't tell whether that makes Godwinazis happy or not.
Given that the highest percentage in the list (Java) got only 20.529%, it seems to me that 0.77% is significant.
Since only gripers are posting I figured I'd chime in and say that I like the dynamic interface. Given that you can choose to use the older interface if you want to in the site config, I don't see why anyone should complain.
Slashdot pages are very very long after many people have commented. Needing to reload the page or open a new tab just to see a single comment is just not an enjoyable user experience (IMO).
Slashdot has always had the best discussion system on the net. Now it has the best forum UI too.
Given that the discussion system has kept back the griefers who make every other social site unenjoyable, I think slashdot is doing extremely well.
Does anyone actually know that a tiny black hole would gain mass by simply colliding with other matter? The mass
that enters a black hole has to go somewhere. Atoms don't normally just fuse together when they collide because they have repulsive properties that push other atoms away when they get too close. Sure, a tiny black hole wouldn't have the same sort of force pushing away, but I sort of imagined that particles would drift close to the event horizon, but not be able to pass because there isn't any room on the other side to enter into.
I'm not sure what your point is. I loved Primer.
This is offtopic, but could you explain your sig "There are 10 people in the world: those who know about number systems with sufficiently large bases."?
Obviously it's a take on the joke about binary. But your sig implies that there is some mathematical number system where "10" would refer to a single object. I can't make any sense out of that.