"The only people that look at it are the ones with kids in the lower grades. It is just not for adults."
Laughably incorrect. There may be a perception that the Gamecube is not for adults but that's quite different than it actually being the case. Do you think that RE4 and Eternal Darkness were games for kids?
"I haven't met a single non-gamer who turned to gaming on their own. ALL of them were turned by gamer friends."
Boy! Anecdotal evidence! That must mean something, right??! (It's sad how many people don't understand statistics but still act as if they do.)
"How many gamecube owners have the gamecube as their only console? I know that at least with both the DS and GBA that all the people I know who own one have at least got either a PC or a none nintendo console as well. No one I know has only a gamecube or handheld."
Oh boy! More statistical evidence based on that great sample set of 'people you know.' Guess what - that proves nothing and shows no trend whatsoever to anyone intelligent. Furthermore, even if the majority of Gamecube owners own another system - so what? If Nintendo can be the provider of a second console in enough homes, they will continue to turn profits. And furthermore, the untapped casual market is likely to not own any systems from the current generation so I don't even see what your point is in regards to the Revolution.
"What I fear will happen is that the games with the revolution will be considered to simple/dumbed down etc for the existing gamers to buy and therefore the necessary word of mouth will not be generated."
Well, in addition to not knowing anything about statistics, you also don't know anything about marketing.
"I have to wonder why Nintendo seems so desperate to attract a market that in the 2 decades of video games has still not be won over while possibly alienating (as they did with the gamecube) the established market."
Ignoring your poor English skills, there are people who play games but do not buy video game consoles. People who play Hearts, Popcap Games, Scrabble online, etc. are a huge market. I also don't see how the hardcore gamers were alienated by the Gamecube. The Gamecube has had some excellent games and has delivered the quality and enjoyment that Nintendo is known for. Hardcore gamers were turned off by what exactly? Mario games? Ah yes - the pubscent boys so unsure of themselves that they can only feel manly if their in-game character has tattoos. Those are a subset of the hardcore gamer market, and one who relies on mommy and daddy for cash. Oh nevermind, there's so much wrong with you and your nonsense. Go play your Xbox.
"Do you actually remember any other console launches? Because this is the most successful one ever."
I do and this launch is hardly the most successful. Even if you assume the overheating problems are small, they caused a rather loud stir. Also, consider that since the first shipment, I've heard of no retailers getting second shipments. It's great for MS that people want to buy the 360 but since no one can, I wouldn't really call it a success. And furthermore, since Sony still holds the record for most units shipped in a single day (510,000: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2) and we don't even know if MS has matched that number yet (no news is bad news from Microsoft's PR department here) I'd hardly say the 360 launch is, as you would say, "tha b3st EVAR!!!"
Actually it is the same. Taking notes on some work and then selling it is changing the original work and passing the notes off as your own. Likewise, modifying the rules of a board game and releasing the modified version is passing the new game off as your own work. In both cases the source material is changed and the originator of the material is not compensated for the derivative work.
Introduce costly programs that encourage poor people to shop at the store? Awful idea! As someone who does have money, if I was at a store populated with consumers like yourself (you can't even spell) I would walk out and not come back. It's the same reason that I won't shop at Walmart; the shopping experience is absolutely awful with the smell of the downtrodden.
And this point has what to do with the article? Clinton made no reference to Christianity so why are you attacking Christians?
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My point was that we don't know the defect rate.
"When did it become acceptable to buy defective goods, on the presumtion that statistics may be in your favor?"
What? You're looking around for manufacturers with 0 defect rate? Good luck pal. And I never said that the XBox 360 has a low failure rate. I am saying (and it's really sad that you couldn't conclude this without me holding your hand) that anecdotal evidence on Slashdot does not prove there is a low failure rate or a high failure rate. I am saying that this story is worthless and no one should base any buying decisions on a perceived failure rate they've gleaned from Slashdot. I miss the good old days of Slashdot when people were here who could grasp these types of concepts on their own.
"If any NB manufacturer would ship systems with an out-of-the-box failure rate of 0.2% (which is a fairly optimistic, i.e. low, estimate), then that company would go tits-up in no time."
And how many XBox 360s are defective? That's my whole point - anecdotal evidence on Slashdot doesn't prove anything. It could be 0.2%, it could be 0.002%.
"The weird thing about game consoles is that there are too few makers, limiting severely the choices users have when buying them."
Yes, very "weird."
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But how many people have got units that are working fine without any issues? Are they posting these results? What's the percentage of defects? Are people being truthful when they say they have a malfunctioning unit?
If you think posts on Slashdot prove anything, you don't understand statistics and surveys. Math is your friend.
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Well, that's 1 person who got a faulty system! That must mean 100% of the systems are faulty, right? I'm glad you're so upset about this but without a meaningful defect rate, these anecdotal stories say nothing about how stable the XBox 360 is. (And this is coming from someone who is waiting to buy the Nintendo Revolution.)
Almost 100% of the time, when someone claims each Madden game is nothing but a roster update, they haven't played any of the Madden games. These people are callow and have the need to insult others who they perceive to be less intelligent.
Where did I insult your intelligence? I insulted your knowledge of how the industry works. That isn't the same as intelligence. Now, the fact that you can't discern the difference tells me you are not intelligent. (That is an insult to your intelligence.)
Again, you claimed that buying an XBox 360 hurts MS because they're selling it for a loss. This is a false and stupid claim. Look at the Dreamcast? Okay chief - look at EA's support for it. If the Dreamcast had sold 30 million in the first 6 months, do you think EA would have rethought whether they would support the Dreamcast?
Seriously, this is too easy. The rest of your nonsense doesn't even relate to what I said.
" Actually, since both companies are selling their console at a loss, buying either actually does the opposite of support them."
Since Sony isn't actually selling the PS3 yet, you don't know that they will be sold at a loss. Second point, you're wrong if you think sales of Xbox 360s don't help MS.
If you were to buy 30 million XBox 360 units, developers would see the 360 as a successful platform, more games would be developed, and more people would buy the hardware. If you were joking, it wasn't funny. If you were serious, you have no idea how the video game industry works.
"But if you start looking at cheap knock-off games that are trying to capitalize on the success of GTA and/or "street culture," you'll probably notice that a disproportionate number of the gang-bangers in those games are black."
Oh my god! You're right! I just took a look at all the NBA games that I've bought over the years - the majority of the people in them are black! IT MUST BE RACISM! THEY'RE TRYING TO TELL ME THAT ALL BLACK PEOPLE PLAY BASKETBALL IN THE NBA!
People who cry racism at the first sign of race are intellectually crippled with fear of upsetting anyone. They are completely worthless in conversation.
The character with the gun has to have some race. Is it racist to show a white guy with a gun? What about an Asian guy with a gun? Why do you think the example of a game with a black male wielding a gun proves that the game industry is racist?
" I made my assumption of your background based on your original comment, which reeked of PHB-ism."
Not really, you just read into it more than was there. Where did I ever state that it would come as a sudden surprise? I simply said that a determination needs to be made when a timeline is exceeded about why that happened. This was in response to someone basically saying that beating a deadline is the best possible thing that can happen. My response tried to point out that there are still issues to be considered when that happens. For daring to suggest that it is important to learn from a project that comes in ahead of time, I was called an "ass."
Are you under the impression that I am not an engineer? That is not the case. As someone who has had to set timetables for my own work, I would not be surprised if someone asked me why I was able to come in undertime or overtime.
The rest of your comment explains things that I already know. You have made a poor assumption about my background.
I'm going to ignore the rude tone of your post. What you and the moderators don't seem to understand is that when you make a poor estimate there are ramifications beyond your little piece of the puzzle. Let's suppose that you estimate 6 months and I agree to that timeframe. In the meantime, other projects may come along that have a hard deadline that will need to be passed on because it is expected that you are tied up.
I don't understand why you are getting so upset over this.
Do you think that managing resources is more or less easy when you know accurate timelines for how long a resource is going to be tied up with a project?
Finally, why would I fire someone for beating a deadline. I would sit down with that person and discuss how the deadline was able to be beat (perhaps we can improve other projects by using a tactic employed) and how we could do a better job of estimating timeframes.
If you do decide to reply to this, I would appreciate it if you tried to discuss my points and didn't attack me with name-calling.
Management of deadlines is as much about not missing deadlines as it is setting realistic timeframes. If someone tells me a project will be done in six months and they complete it in six weeks, I want to know why the original timeline was so poorly calculated.
"Not to mention that being pro-choice does not mean you are pro-abortion. I'm pro-choice but think of abortion as a last-ditch effort. However, I will gladly support your right to make the choice you think is best."
The term "pro-abortion" does not imply the level of meaning that you believe it does. I'm pro-turkey sandwiches does not imply that I am in favor of turkey sandwiches once a week, ten times a week, thirty times a week. It merely means that I am in favor of the existence of turkey sandwiches and do not believe they should be outlawed. You are assuming meaning that is not implied. While this is the case of many people (and hence why pro-abortion would be a bad label), it does not mean it is correct to assume that level of meaning.
I think market anarchism is probably the worst possible name you could choose. I can see how that would seem like a logical name BUT you've got to think about the imagery that someone gets in their head when they hear "anarchy." If you are serious about this push (and I believe you are) you may look to find a more marketing friendly name.
Tthe pro-choice crowd don't call themselves "pro-abortion" for very specific reasons. I think that line of thought should guide you as well.
I see you've decided to shift the argument. Let's shift it back, shall we?
You questioned whether or not sports games actually sold well. I responded by citing numbers that showed that sports games do sell well. Nowhere in my post did I claim that sports games have great replay value. My point was that when it comes to things like video games which are designed for personal entertainment, the yardstick is the individual and I see no point in people insulting others for what video games they choose to play.
As for your notion that sports games will never show up on a top 100 list, I will again refer you to the fact that different individuals enjoy different games. Top 100 lists are incredibly biased and normally reflect a small segment of the gamer population. With that being said, IGN's Top 100 List has 11 sports games by my count.
So let's go over what you haven't learned today.
1. Sports games sell well (even though you questioned whether they did).
2. Sports games appear in top 100 lists (even though you stated they didn't).
3. People who feel the need to attack people who play a particular genre of video game aren't as smart as they think they are (you've demonstrated this perfectly).
Don't be so scared of the outside world that you overcompensate by insulting others for what they choose to enjoy to entertain themselves. Enjoy what you want - others will do the same. Maybe once you grow up a little, you will realize this.
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That's some impressive logic there. The public education system did you a great disservice. Don't steal my car.
Actually it is the same. Taking notes on some work and then selling it is changing the original work and passing the notes off as your own. Likewise, modifying the rules of a board game and releasing the modified version is passing the new game off as your own work. In both cases the source material is changed and the originator of the material is not compensated for the derivative work.
Introduce costly programs that encourage poor people to shop at the store? Awful idea! As someone who does have money, if I was at a store populated with consumers like yourself (you can't even spell) I would walk out and not come back. It's the same reason that I won't shop at Walmart; the shopping experience is absolutely awful with the smell of the downtrodden.
And this point has what to do with the article? Clinton made no reference to Christianity so why are you attacking Christians?
If you think posts on Slashdot prove anything, you don't understand statistics and surveys. Math is your friend.
Well, that's 1 person who got a faulty system! That must mean 100% of the systems are faulty, right? I'm glad you're so upset about this but without a meaningful defect rate, these anecdotal stories say nothing about how stable the XBox 360 is. (And this is coming from someone who is waiting to buy the Nintendo Revolution.)
Almost 100% of the time, when someone claims each Madden game is nothing but a roster update, they haven't played any of the Madden games. These people are callow and have the need to insult others who they perceive to be less intelligent.
Again, you claimed that buying an XBox 360 hurts MS because they're selling it for a loss. This is a false and stupid claim. Look at the Dreamcast? Okay chief - look at EA's support for it. If the Dreamcast had sold 30 million in the first 6 months, do you think EA would have rethought whether they would support the Dreamcast?
Seriously, this is too easy. The rest of your nonsense doesn't even relate to what I said.
If you were to buy 30 million XBox 360 units, developers would see the 360 as a successful platform, more games would be developed, and more people would buy the hardware. If you were joking, it wasn't funny. If you were serious, you have no idea how the video game industry works.
Too bad the person who submitted the summary has already decided that the show is blaming the game - without actually seeing it.
But how does putting a black gang-banger on the cover show that there's racism in the industry?
People who cry racism at the first sign of race are intellectually crippled with fear of upsetting anyone. They are completely worthless in conversation.
The character with the gun has to have some race. Is it racist to show a white guy with a gun? What about an Asian guy with a gun? Why do you think the example of a game with a black male wielding a gun proves that the game industry is racist?
The rest of your comment explains things that I already know. You have made a poor assumption about my background.
I don't understand why you are getting so upset over this.
Do you think that managing resources is more or less easy when you know accurate timelines for how long a resource is going to be tied up with a project?
Finally, why would I fire someone for beating a deadline. I would sit down with that person and discuss how the deadline was able to be beat (perhaps we can improve other projects by using a tactic employed) and how we could do a better job of estimating timeframes.
If you do decide to reply to this, I would appreciate it if you tried to discuss my points and didn't attack me with name-calling.
Management of deadlines is as much about not missing deadlines as it is setting realistic timeframes. If someone tells me a project will be done in six months and they complete it in six weeks, I want to know why the original timeline was so poorly calculated.
Tthe pro-choice crowd don't call themselves "pro-abortion" for very specific reasons. I think that line of thought should guide you as well.
You questioned whether or not sports games actually sold well. I responded by citing numbers that showed that sports games do sell well. Nowhere in my post did I claim that sports games have great replay value. My point was that when it comes to things like video games which are designed for personal entertainment, the yardstick is the individual and I see no point in people insulting others for what video games they choose to play.
As for your notion that sports games will never show up on a top 100 list, I will again refer you to the fact that different individuals enjoy different games. Top 100 lists are incredibly biased and normally reflect a small segment of the gamer population. With that being said, IGN's Top 100 List has 11 sports games by my count.
So let's go over what you haven't learned today.
1. Sports games sell well (even though you questioned whether they did).
2. Sports games appear in top 100 lists (even though you stated they didn't).
3. People who feel the need to attack people who play a particular genre of video game aren't as smart as they think they are (you've demonstrated this perfectly).
Don't be so scared of the outside world that you overcompensate by insulting others for what they choose to enjoy to entertain themselves. Enjoy what you want - others will do the same. Maybe once you grow up a little, you will realize this.
So because you don't care for sports games, they're crap? You're a rather open-minded person, aren't you?