You could so what I do and have a spare desktop at home running windows. Yes it sucks, but I think it also sucks that I _have_ to drive a car to visit my parents. Yes it is possible to use public transport, but it takes twice as long.
So I try to use public transport/Linux where possible and the car/windows where other people's choices don't leave me another viable choice.
Life's full of these ideals vs functionality trade-offs; i try not to bitch about them too much anymore and live with them.
But you're not the only one writing to the BBC over their windows locked DRM either!
Careful! Lets have a trip to fantasy land here: I've written a novel for my own pleasure and it's locked in my safe. I make a copy and give it to my girlfriend to read. She likes it so much she says I should approach a publisher and have it published. I do this, but without much sucess. In the meantime, she's passed it around her friends. They too have made copies to pass onto their friends.
At what point in this situation have my rights to my creation been violated? I'd say as soon as she passed it onto her friends without my permission. That is my work, and my right to control who sees it. Maybe you disagree? Ok, maybe she misunderstood me, that's fine, I didn't make it clear to her that this was a private work; so the blame rests then in the first person to make another copy. But information wants to be free you cry? Well perhaps, but what if I say that that novel was a draft version and still had lots of personal details that I didn't want public including hurtful family secrets and perhaps my bank details (to make this an extreme example). Should that information be allowed to be free? Remember this is a novel I wrote only for myself and leant to my GF.
Does this mean that by lending it to my GF without very clearly telling her the terms under which I leant it to her I have lost all rights I had to claim that work as mine? Did I have any rights in the first place to keep the novel locked in a safe free from prying eyes. If information wants to be free then surely keeping it in a safe is a crime. If information wants to be that free, why are so many slahsdotters so concerned about privicy rights???
And file sharing is not illegal. I regularly share my photos over file sharing networks as an easy way to distribute to friends and family. Since I regularly take Gigs of photos each time I use it, torrents for this do a great job. My content, I can do with it what I want.
But I don't pretend that sharing MP3s made from content that belongs to other people is legal.
As others have pointed out, rights infringement/= theft. By not paying someone for their works, does not mean that they have lost money. I don't pay for my Linux desktop, does that automatically mean microsoft has lost money? No, and never let anyone convince you that lack of perceived earnings is the same as loss of earnings.
If I borrow a book from a library and photocopy every page then I have violated fair use of the works and have therefore infringed upon their rights. If however I photocopy a page (note the presence of lots of photocopiers in libraries) then that is well within fair usage rights(provided I cite source). Well by English law anyway...
This is direct from an Ex of mine(a lawyer), so it could be rubbish, but I'll use her example. If I take your football season ticket, but then give it back to you at the end of the season, then I have not by law stolen it, as I have returned it to you exactly as you had it before. I have however devalued it (she said the term was flockynockynihilipilification(sp?)). Yes a crime has been commited, but it is not the crime of theft! The law is very clear on this, even if the FUD isn't.
Simply taking something does not make it theft. If I take your life that is not the crime of theft. Depriving someone of something (smashing your windows) is not theft. Taking photos of you without your permission is not theft. Recording your voice in a telephone conversation without telling you is not theft. Copying your works without your permission is not theft.
Right, so if I manage to engineer a cheeta with wheels (that is twice as fast as the current cheetas but with similar fuel requirements because of reduced friction of using wheels) then why wouldn't in the plane environment, outperform and therefore superceed the current cheeta???
I'd call your's the most insightful post I've seen this year, so let me try to add to it: I'm trying to persuade my local theatre group to learn from what is making the movies popular - Think about it:
Food: Forget the nice bar we have and the other food treats we sell at our theatre - sell popcorn and plasic cheese on cardboard nachos and quadruple the prices! Trailers before the main show - we can do that, drag in the people who are rehearsing next door and get then to do a 5 minute preview of the show they're reheasing. Content - stop looking for challenging new plays and instead do sequels to the shows we did last year! Acting - forget about choosing actors based on their skills, as long as they're good looking we'll keep the audience interested with our lighting effects and superb set designs.
After all, Hollywood is a multi billion industry, so we should be emulating them!
Erm In the UK I believe you're allowed to drink from any age - if it's your parents giving it to you in your own home. A tradition is to dip the baby's dummy in Brandy:-)
Drinking in pubs from 18, younger in restaurants with food I believe.
What can I say, I've been drinking since the age of about 5, and it's not aflichted me in the leisht...
This is why i believe Ender's Shodow would make the better film. A very good job is done in that book of hiding what's happening. Or maybe it's because I read Shadow before game that I'm biased?
/me dons his flameproof clothing - this will come across as flaimbait, btu not intended as such. This is aweful close to Godwins' law I know:
Suppose I support the ideals of the Clu Clux Clan (sp?). Suppose I want to speak and talk about white supremacy. I'd hope someone had the right to do that. I doubt that there's many places that you could do that without being attacked by the populous. From that example I'd guess we see that people don't exactly want freedom of speech; they want what they're used to.
Consider a random tribesman. Would he consider our police force with rights to search your house under warrant and rights to observe camera footage an invasion of his privacy? Probably he would, do i think we're better for those rights being invaded - yes. Consider 200 years ago, no-one needed passports to travel then, yet we don't object too strongly to them now. Would we want to go back to a world without passports? Yes I'd like to lose passports between the UK and europe, but not the rest of the world.
Why are people afraid of a surveilence society? people cry 1984, but that's not enough; under the assumption that everyone is watched (including the watchers) then where is the issue? I'm guessing most people are reasonably happy with the current level of infringement of personal rights, they just object to any further ones? Would our great grandparents be happy with current surveylence, would our great grandchildren wonder what the fuss was about (given they'd be monitored much more)?
As a better example I was against the Town Centre CCTV now ubiquitous in the UK. However I can see how much safer the towns are, and although there are some cases of abuse of this power, can we at the moment highlight any cases of this abuse of power? I'd bet it's much easier to point to cases of Police abusing their power anyway, yet we're not talking about getting rid of the police force and all the personal right they regularly infringe. i.e. the surveylence is a tool, what people seem to be afraid of is those using the tool rather than it itself, they can't stop the person so try to stop the tool? Is this not similar to people who are afraid of computers or nuclear power? -- The right to offend is more important than the right to not be offended
As someone in a a similar positon, Hard to have windows side by side with each other to compare things with screen - I also find the scroll keys don't intuitively switch between other apps.
Also having to do ctrl-A A to go to the beginning of a line is annoying... Or did I miss the joke???
I think you missed I was _trying_ for humour! Damn good thing using robots for routine stuff like this! Shame the shuttle can't do such, then it'd be less of a worry if it goes wrong...
You know I htink you're onto something! Dogs will eat grass when their digestive system is missing fibre, preganant women will have cravings. It only makes sense that living in sanitised conditions makes people crave McDonalds...
I agreee with all that you say, but can I add: 5. NASA to go back to doing X projects to push vehicle technology (DC-X for example) 6. NASA (or equivalent agency) should have some manned presence (for things like servicing hubble's replacement)
If you want to talk about surviving catastrophy, at the moment we'd be better placed to forget about trying to do that in outer space and set up a few self sustained colonies here on earth to do that first (if there aren't places like that setup already). Once space technology is comparable to planes, then let's talk about setting up similar survival colonies off planet, but until then lets go into space for things we can get out of it now.
I know you're joking, but I think with decent editing, they could do the same tricks they used to film apollo 13 (the Tom Hanks one, not the real one:-)) and piece together the footage with careful editing so it looks like they spent 30 minuts in zero G
Can't see why a similer highlights version wouldn't work for sports too - I image most of the revenue comes from TV based promotion in most sports these days, so where's the problem here???
As a fervent F1 fan... No I don't watch for the crashes, No I'm not drunk (although I have to visit my parents and have a beer for the British Grand Prix) and I have never been to see one live. So what is the attraction? Well it used to be Murray Walker's commentry(http://www.worldmotorsport.com/murray/), now it's the tactics and the tension waiting for that elusive overtaking manouvrue.
Not a sport for someone with a short attention span certainly, but it certainly frequently ends up with a group of us screaming at the TV... But yes I also enjoy Sumo, so I can see the attraction of 30 seconds of action at a time... -- "Do my eyes deceive me, or is Senna's Lotus sounding rough ?"
True, what I see priavte comapnies do well is maximise profits. In the case of privatised industries, then you have a watchdog who forces a cut in prices once profits go too high. But the way this profit is achieved is normally to find a cheaper way to supply the contracted service. Whether that is through better management, less beurocracy, new technology or just plain cutting corners, the shareholders don't care. But this is still a good thing for the space industry, let them get the underlying cost down and start making a profit from space - then either a force in the charged tarifs can be forced, or some competition might spring up.
Also getting the cost out would tend to remove a lot of the politics too...
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I'm reminded of the Churchill quote:
History will be kind to me for I intend to write it
You could so what I do and have a spare desktop at home running windows.
Yes it sucks, but I think it also sucks that I _have_ to drive a car to visit my parents. Yes it is possible to use public transport, but it takes twice as long.
So I try to use public transport/Linux where possible and the car/windows where other people's choices don't leave me another viable choice.
Life's full of these ideals vs functionality trade-offs; i try not to bitch about them too much anymore and live with them.
But you're not the only one writing to the BBC over their windows locked DRM either!
Careful! Lets have a trip to fantasy land here:
I've written a novel for my own pleasure and it's locked in my safe. I make a copy and give it to my girlfriend to read. She likes it so much she says I should approach a publisher and have it published. I do this, but without much sucess.
In the meantime, she's passed it around her friends. They too have made copies to pass onto their friends.
At what point in this situation have my rights to my creation been violated? I'd say as soon as she passed it onto her friends without my permission. That is my work, and my right to control who sees it. Maybe you disagree?
Ok, maybe she misunderstood me, that's fine, I didn't make it clear to her that this was a private work; so the blame rests then in the first person to make another copy.
But information wants to be free you cry? Well perhaps, but what if I say that that novel was a draft version and still had lots of personal details that I didn't want public including hurtful family secrets and perhaps my bank details (to make this an extreme example). Should that information be allowed to be free? Remember this is a novel I wrote only for myself and leant to my GF.
Does this mean that by lending it to my GF without very clearly telling her the terms under which I leant it to her I have lost all rights I had to claim that work as mine? Did I have any rights in the first place to keep the novel locked in a safe free from prying eyes. If information wants to be free then surely keeping it in a safe is a crime.
If information wants to be that free, why are so many slahsdotters so concerned about privicy rights???
And file sharing is not illegal.
I regularly share my photos over file sharing networks as an easy way to distribute to friends and family. Since I regularly take Gigs of photos each time I use it, torrents for this do a great job.
My content, I can do with it what I want.
But I don't pretend that sharing MP3s made from content that belongs to other people is legal.
As others have pointed out, rights infringement /= theft.
By not paying someone for their works, does not mean that they have lost money. I don't pay for my Linux desktop, does that automatically mean microsoft has lost money? No, and never let anyone convince you that lack of perceived earnings is the same as loss of earnings.
If I borrow a book from a library and photocopy every page then I have violated fair use of the works and have therefore infringed upon their rights. If however I photocopy a page (note the presence of lots of photocopiers in libraries) then that is well within fair usage rights(provided I cite source). Well by English law anyway...
This is direct from an Ex of mine(a lawyer), so it could be rubbish, but I'll use her example. If I take your football season ticket, but then give it back to you at the end of the season, then I have not by law stolen it, as I have returned it to you exactly as you had it before. I have however devalued it (she said the term was flockynockynihilipilification(sp?)).
Yes a crime has been commited, but it is not the crime of theft! The law is very clear on this, even if the FUD isn't.
Simply taking something does not make it theft. If I take your life that is not the crime of theft. Depriving someone of something (smashing your windows) is not theft. Taking photos of you without your permission is not theft. Recording your voice in a telephone conversation without telling you is not theft. Copying your works without your permission is not theft.
Right, so if I manage to engineer a cheeta with wheels (that is twice as fast as the current cheetas but with similar fuel requirements because of reduced friction of using wheels) then why wouldn't in the plane environment, outperform and therefore superceed the current cheeta???
Be a hedgehog - roll into a ball and voila! Instant rolling!
Am I the only one reminded of "the amber spyglass" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amber_Spyglass) Where wheeled creatures are a crucial part of the story???
I'd call your's the most insightful post I've seen this year, so let me try to add to it:
I'm trying to persuade my local theatre group to learn from what is making the movies popular - Think about it:
Food: Forget the nice bar we have and the other food treats we sell at our theatre - sell popcorn and plasic cheese on cardboard nachos and quadruple the prices!
Trailers before the main show - we can do that, drag in the people who are rehearsing next door and get then to do a 5 minute preview of the show they're reheasing.
Content - stop looking for challenging new plays and instead do sequels to the shows we did last year!
Acting - forget about choosing actors based on their skills, as long as they're good looking we'll keep the audience interested with our lighting effects and superb set designs.
After all, Hollywood is a multi billion industry, so we should be emulating them!
/me points at the statue of liberty
Erm In the UK I believe you're allowed to drink from any age - if it's your parents giving it to you in your own home. A tradition is to dip the baby's dummy in Brandy :-)
Drinking in pubs from 18, younger in restaurants with food I believe.
What can I say, I've been drinking since the age of about 5, and it's not aflichted me in the leisht...
--
They call me free, I call me a fool! - Train
This is why i believe Ender's Shodow would make the better film. A very good job is done in that book of hiding what's happening.
Or maybe it's because I read Shadow before game that I'm biased?
/me dons his flameproof clothing - this will come across as flaimbait, btu not intended as such.
This is aweful close to Godwins' law I know:
Suppose I support the ideals of the Clu Clux Clan (sp?). Suppose I want to speak and talk about white supremacy. I'd hope someone had the right to do that. I doubt that there's many places that you could do that without being attacked by the populous.
From that example I'd guess we see that people don't exactly want freedom of speech; they want what they're used to.
Consider a random tribesman. Would he consider our police force with rights to search your house under warrant and rights to observe camera footage an invasion of his privacy? Probably he would, do i think we're better for those rights being invaded - yes.
Consider 200 years ago, no-one needed passports to travel then, yet we don't object too strongly to them now. Would we want to go back to a world without passports? Yes I'd like to lose passports between the UK and europe, but not the rest of the world.
Why are people afraid of a surveilence society? people cry 1984, but that's not enough; under the assumption that everyone is watched (including the watchers) then where is the issue?
I'm guessing most people are reasonably happy with the current level of infringement of personal rights, they just object to any further ones? Would our great grandparents be happy with current surveylence, would our great grandchildren wonder what the fuss was about (given they'd be monitored much more)?
As a better example I was against the Town Centre CCTV now ubiquitous in the UK. However I can see how much safer the towns are, and although there are some cases of abuse of this power, can we at the moment highlight any cases of this abuse of power? I'd bet it's much easier to point to cases of Police abusing their power anyway, yet we're not talking about getting rid of the police force and all the personal right they regularly infringe.
i.e. the surveylence is a tool, what people seem to be afraid of is those using the tool rather than it itself, they can't stop the person so try to stop the tool? Is this not similar to people who are afraid of computers or nuclear power?
--
The right to offend is more important than the right to not be offended
I'd prefer 3 contries owning space to 1 country dominating it
As someone in a a similar positon, Hard to have windows side by side with each other to compare things with screen - I also find the scroll keys don't intuitively switch between other apps.
Also having to do ctrl-A A to go to the beginning of a line is annoying...
Or did I miss the joke???
"Heck, question everything"
Are you sure that's a good idea?
I think you missed I was _trying_ for humour!
Damn good thing using robots for routine stuff like this! Shame the shuttle can't do such, then it'd be less of a worry if it goes wrong...
You know I htink you're onto something!
Dogs will eat grass when their digestive system is missing fibre, preganant women will have cravings.
It only makes sense that living in sanitised conditions makes people crave McDonalds...
"Besides, who would want to buy "Nuclear Irradiated Mutant Rapeseed Oil"?"
You can buy that stuff!?
{rubs hands together}
Now my GM army of mutant irritates Sea Bas can rule the world!!!!!!!!
MWA Ha HAAAAAA!!!!
Exactly:
:-)
for and against!
With me or against me!
Darkside and Lightside! (of the gaffer tape)
On or Off!
Come we're computer geeks we know that the world is binary in this information age
Now let me show this prototype of a binary transistor I made...
I agreee with all that you say, but can I add:
5. NASA to go back to doing X projects to push vehicle technology (DC-X for example)
6. NASA (or equivalent agency) should have some manned presence (for things like servicing hubble's replacement)
If you want to talk about surviving catastrophy, at the moment we'd be better placed to forget about trying to do that in outer space and set up a few self sustained colonies here on earth to do that first (if there aren't places like that setup already).
Once space technology is comparable to planes, then let's talk about setting up similar survival colonies off planet, but until then lets go into space for things we can get out of it now.
I know you're joking, but I think with decent editing, they could do the same tricks they used to film apollo 13 (the Tom Hanks one, not the real one :-)) and piece together the footage with careful editing so it looks like they spent 30 minuts in zero G
Can't see why a similer highlights version wouldn't work for sports too - I image most of the revenue comes from TV based promotion in most sports these days, so where's the problem here???
As a fervent F1 fan..., now it's the tactics and the tension waiting for that elusive overtaking manouvrue.
No I don't watch for the crashes, No I'm not drunk (although I have to visit my parents and have a beer for the British Grand Prix) and I have never been to see one live.
So what is the attraction?
Well it used to be Murray Walker's commentry(http://www.worldmotorsport.com/murray/)
Not a sport for someone with a short attention span certainly, but it certainly frequently ends up with a group of us screaming at the TV...
But yes I also enjoy Sumo, so I can see the attraction of 30 seconds of action at a time...
--
"Do my eyes deceive me, or is Senna's Lotus sounding rough ?"
True, what I see priavte comapnies do well is maximise profits. In the case of privatised industries, then you have a watchdog who forces a cut in prices once profits go too high. But the way this profit is achieved is normally to find a cheaper way to supply the contracted service.
Whether that is through better management, less beurocracy, new technology or just plain cutting corners, the shareholders don't care. But this is still a good thing for the space industry, let them get the underlying cost down and start making a profit from space - then either a force in the charged tarifs can be forced, or some competition might spring up.
Also getting the cost out would tend to remove a lot of the politics too...
mmmm Sunday morning rants...
Dunno, why are europe being slackers - sending a robot to do a Man's job???
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/rlv-02g.html