In addition, it will allow them to take GPLed software like the Linux kernel and make it de facto proprietary... simply because the hardware will not "trust" the binary unless it is signed by Dell/Intel/IBM etc etc. So your GPL source is worthless in that world -- you can't modify it... hell, you can't even recompile it yourself without modification, because the result won't work as it did.
Now that's pretty far fetched if you ask me...They will not do that, it's almost impossible for them to do so - think about how many millions of programs are floating out there...are they going to sign all of them?? MS has digital signatures incorporated for software sicne XP SP1, and they weren't used at all almost. In Vista they take a more important role since now if it's not signed it'll ask you for everything it does if you allow it (Vista Beta did at least) so it'll be annoying for the user and it'll force software devs to sign their software...hell, not even all MS software is signed yet...
Furthermore, Dell sells servers with Linux on it, IBM is one of the big guys behind Linux and Intel doesn't have any gain from this move, they sell hardware not software, and they'll want to do so (server room).
DRM is not all that bad, it's just the shitty abuses by *AA and some other companies that suck.
I find it kind of amusing how they're saying "don't use Google Desktop", "Google is storing your info that can be accessed easily by the government" and such, yet if you go to eff.org the search is "Powered by Google".
Just funny...
$49.95 per year for this product doesn't sound like a bargain to me.
This also doesn't mean that price is fixed. Right now, $50 is less than what a new sub would cost with Symantec, for example. So it _is_ better if you're a user new to AV products. From that point of view they will gain most of the _new_ marked.
At this point it doesn't matter what they say they charge for your _second_ year, because nobody is in that situation and isn't going to be in one for 1 more year.
What's to stop them from saying, in say 10 monhts, that Vista users will be able to renew their sub for $25 ?
Now someone can post a blog/whatever with potential bad info about things happening in china, and no one in china can see it. BUT, the rest of the world will see it in all its glory, uncensored
And this has changed how now...? If someone posts something about happenings in China, the _people_ in China will have no access to it, and the people of the world will, but the Chinese gov't will still see everything. The filters aren't placed on them, the gov't controls the flow of information, so I don't see this as a big deal.
Plus, right now if someone writes something bad about China...what?
I suspect IE 7.0 will fail to turn the tide of people switching to Firefox.
You spoke about the reason you switched, and how you're not switching back easily. And that's perfectly true, I feel the same way, but IE7 does have the potential to stop users _from switching_ in the future.
And if they keep the balance the way it is, they'll be happy, at least for now...
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Also it said that there are lots of apps out there that just check for admin access on startup but don't need it, just that the developers was lazy by not checking wether it ran on limited accounts. In those cases, Vista default will be to report to the program that it's running with admin priviledges, but actually run it with limited priviledges.
Yes, I heard of that also. Although I commend MS on _finally_ having regular users, and not admin-by-default users, this is a bit scary. How do they know, out of the tens of thousands of apps out there that check for admin access, if they _really_ need access.
This seems pretty broken to me. I can already see apps:
app: Am I admin? Windows: Sure app: function_that_needs_admin_priviledge() **BOINK**
Would you like to send Microsot a report with this problem?
Pretending what to do, and having this OS decide when to send out "fake" answers is not, in my opinion, a pretty clean thing to do...
How will they market vista ? , well first thing they will do is stop supporting XP, and when the new vulnerability comes up , both corporates and home user will have no choice but to upgrade.
You mean like they did with Windows 2000?... not. XP will still have support, there just won't be any features added to it. It's like the 2.4 kernel.
They can't implement unix security model , because than why pay for it:)
Because OSX is totally free....
I think they have also implemented strong anti-piracy feature , which will not "allow you to update" if you don't have a "genuine" vista,which is more laughable as it takes one malicious program to make genuine to un-genuine
And you think they don't know that? Every DRM protection so far has been broken (well, we'll see how Intel Macs will do).
Not to mention that the conspiracy thoery is that both MS and Apple don't _really_ want their OSes to be uncrackable;)
The problem in an office environment are apps needed. The people at the front desk here all use Windows. For the most part, the stuff they need could easily be handled by Linux. They'd even _like_ it, our lab is Linux and they would have no problem using KDE, for example. They already use Firefox, some Thunderbird, and the calendar is web-based.
The problem that we have is that they need a couple of apps that will not run on anything _but_ Windows. We tried wine, cxoffice, they even have issues in VMWare.
One of the apps even requires you to be on a specific Windows domain, since it's a University-wide software.
It seems that it's getting to be more viable to switch them to OSX at the next upgrade, but I'm not convinced.
So yea, most secretaries use a browser, and email client, but they need to use some apps that will not run on Linux, not to mention OpenBSD.
And as much as I like OpenOffice, and I support them (I haven't used MS Office for a few years now, with the exception of helping some friends), companies can't afford to tell a client "err, this document looks really ugly when I open it with OO" or risk writing something in OO, saving it in.doc format and showing up all ugly for the company/person working with them. I'm not even going to get into.ppt...
While for a browser, an email client, and an alternative OS it's pretty easy to get people to switch (OSX looks _nothing_ like Windows, and yet I know of nobody who has complained it's not like Windows...), training them to use _other_ programs, presuming they _do_ exist, is not as easy. If you use MS Money (or however it's called), try using GNUCash, and then notice the difference..and that's not even a major app...
They aren't forced to do anything. If they don't like the laws in Europe, they are free to trade elsewhere.
Not entirely true - by _law_, the CEO, as long as other board members _have_ to do what is most profitable for the shareholders. Failure to do so (eg. not doing business in EU will lead to losses) can put them in jail.
That's similar to Google choosing to censure and do business in China - if they don't, then the CEO can go to jail because it's not in the company's best interest.
That's not entirely true. They are offering 500 hours of free support, and that sure will help. I mean, as much as I don't like them, this is pretty much the best they can do. They give documentation, it's shitty and people want more, they give source with some hours of support, that's not good. What would people be satisfied with, other than each line of code be commented, or MS dissapering from the face of the Earth:)
have no problem with selling China cars or airplanes or other stuff like that. But to actively collaborate with the regime in stifling dissent is just too much. After this, I don't think anyone should have any faith at all in their claim that they will stick up to the US Government's fishing expedition.
Actually it's a bit more complicated than that...China (and Japan I believe) bought the US debt, at around 1 trillion dollars. So considering how now the US owes China a significant sum, it will be interestring to see how things will evolve, and if the US will stand up to them, or just bow to them and let them be.
I mean, Bush talks about getting democracy in countries like Iraq, but China, which is anything but democratic....
When will Microsoft just drop ActiveX? It's been pretty obvious that it's wrong to give a webapp so much power over your computer.
Microsoft has announced that it will be using UNIX-like permissions for its file system. Will this be part of the Windows Vista release? If not, when will this occur? Will this change imply that users will not need Administrator-like priviledges to run applications?
The Registry has proven to be a very complicated and vulnerable component of Windows. Will Microsoft ever move away from it? Do you have any plans/ideas for improving it?
How much security is Microsoft willing to compromise for ease-of-use?
Are there any plans to remove comonents from being so integrated in the kernel? Do we reallly need apps such as Internet Explorer, Media Player etc. to be a Windows component and have deep hooks into the kernel? This has been an issue for both security and stability.
"What we see as a key trend here is that we will have supercomputers of all sizes, including ones that will cost less than $10,000 and be able to sit at your desk or in a department," Gates said.
that's so much crap, the trend is to have thin clients, to have WEB apps instead of bulky software Let's keep the supercomputers for the scientists and the desktops for the average consumer...
I mean, if the trend is for supercomputers under my desk, why the fuck is Microsoft releasing Windows and Office LIVE ?;)
Sadly, under the PATRIOT Act they can just give you the letter, beat you, put you in a van and never show your face ever again. Or tell anyone they arrested you. Or even mention (to you or ANYONE) under what charges.
And even if you do get to the Supreme Court, it's becoming less certain it would actually give you justice.::sigh::
M$ has said multiple times that they would not port their main products (Windows, Office) to the web. With Vista coming out soon, as well as Office12, their vast effort is put into marketing THOSE products. They want to tie people to the actual PC, or why buy one, or more importantly, why buy one with M$ products on them? They have enough issues with Vista being basically XP SP3, Office12 being a new-Apple-like-UI with no real new features and having people move to OO, so breaking it like this makes no sense.
Citing an executive at Microsoft headquarters, Lu said when it comes to China, Linux and Windows should co-exist
However, the US should remain M$-only.
This is so much f***ing crap. When M$ controls things, it's all good, Linux is communism, OpenDocument is inferior to.doc, people should change their HTML to make it work with IE because IE is a core component of Windows, and Windows and ONLY Windows should be on a PC.
The moment some gov entity kicks M$ out the door, they start acting as victims.
I'd love to see at least a day when, accessing a site through a Windows machine with IE will have a pop-up that will say something like:
We detect you are using "MSIE 7.1 Internet Explorer 7/WindowsVista". Due to standards non-compliance, this browser is not supported. By clicking OK some pages might not render properly. Please use a standards compliant browser:
Link-to-Mozilla Link-to-Firefox Link-to-Opera...
Then I want to see Bill advise webmasters to change their pages to render properly with his shitty browser.
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pricing of MS software artifically high
What?? It's their software, they can price it as high as they want. You don't want it, don't buy it. It's how the market works...
Is it just me or does this seem like a free marketing campaign?
;)
I mean seriously...we "leaked" this info...oops (::wink wink::)
Plus, wasn't this news months ago ?
Oh, I guess they added another one
In addition, it will allow them to take GPLed software like the Linux kernel and make it de facto proprietary... simply because the hardware will not "trust" the binary unless it is signed by Dell/Intel/IBM etc etc. So your GPL source is worthless in that world -- you can't modify it... hell, you can't even recompile it yourself without modification, because the result won't work as it did.
Now that's pretty far fetched if you ask me...They will not do that, it's almost impossible for them to do so - think about how many millions of programs are floating out there...are they going to sign all of them?? MS has digital signatures incorporated for software sicne XP SP1, and they weren't used at all almost. In Vista they take a more important role since now if it's not signed it'll ask you for everything it does if you allow it (Vista Beta did at least) so it'll be annoying for the user and it'll force software devs to sign their software...hell, not even all MS software is signed yet...
Furthermore, Dell sells servers with Linux on it, IBM is one of the big guys behind Linux and Intel doesn't have any gain from this move, they sell hardware not software, and they'll want to do so (server room).
DRM is not all that bad, it's just the shitty abuses by *AA and some other companies that suck.
So why can't I encrypt the data I want to transfer, and then transfer it through this Google service?
That way, they encypt my already encrypted data. The government wants to see it, the "handful of employees" want to see it, it's encrypted.
Am I missing something? Does it say anywhere you can't do that?
That's how long it took bmw.de to get back to the top of :
s pell=1
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bmw+germany&
I find it kind of amusing how they're saying "don't use Google Desktop", "Google is storing your info that can be accessed easily by the government" and such, yet if you go to eff.org the search is "Powered by Google". Just funny...
$49.95 per year for this product doesn't sound like a bargain to me.
This also doesn't mean that price is fixed. Right now, $50 is less than what a new sub would cost with Symantec, for example. So it _is_ better if you're a user new to AV products. From that point of view they will gain most of the _new_ marked.
At this point it doesn't matter what they say they charge for your _second_ year, because nobody is in that situation and isn't going to be in one for 1 more year.
What's to stop them from saying, in say 10 monhts, that Vista users will be able to renew their sub for $25 ?
Now someone can post a blog/whatever with potential bad info about things happening in china, and no one in china can see it. BUT, the rest of the world will see it in all its glory, uncensored
And this has changed how now...? If someone posts something about happenings in China, the _people_ in China will have no access to it, and the people of the world will, but the Chinese gov't will still see everything. The filters aren't placed on them, the gov't controls the flow of information, so I don't see this as a big deal.
Plus, right now if someone writes something bad about China...what?
I suspect IE 7.0 will fail to turn the tide of people switching to Firefox.
You spoke about the reason you switched, and how you're not switching back easily. And that's perfectly true, I feel the same way, but IE7 does have the potential to stop users _from switching_ in the future.
And if they keep the balance the way it is, they'll be happy, at least for now...
Yes, I heard of that also. Although I commend MS on _finally_ having regular users, and not admin-by-default users, this is a bit scary. How do they know, out of the tens of thousands of apps out there that check for admin access, if they _really_ need access.
This seems pretty broken to me. I can already see apps:
Pretending what to do, and having this OS decide when to send out "fake" answers is not, in my opinion, a pretty clean thing to do...
How will they market vista ? , well first thing they will do is stop supporting XP, and when the new vulnerability comes up , both corporates and home user will have no choice but to upgrade.
... not. XP will still have support, there just won't be any features added to it. It's like the 2.4 kernel.
:)
,which is more laughable as it takes one malicious program to make genuine to un-genuine
;)
You mean like they did with Windows 2000?
They can't implement unix security model , because than why pay for it
Because OSX is totally free....
I think they have also implemented strong anti-piracy feature , which will not "allow you to update" if you don't have a "genuine" vista
And you think they don't know that? Every DRM protection so far has been broken (well, we'll see how Intel Macs will do).
Not to mention that the conspiracy thoery is that both MS and Apple don't _really_ want their OSes to be uncrackable
The problem in an office environment are apps needed. The people at the front desk here all use Windows. For the most part, the stuff they need could easily be handled by Linux. They'd even _like_ it, our lab is Linux and they would have no problem using KDE, for example. They already use Firefox, some Thunderbird, and the calendar is web-based.
.doc format and showing up all ugly for the company/person working with them. I'm not even going to get into .ppt...
The problem that we have is that they need a couple of apps that will not run on anything _but_ Windows. We tried wine, cxoffice, they even have issues in VMWare.
One of the apps even requires you to be on a specific Windows domain, since it's a University-wide software.
It seems that it's getting to be more viable to switch them to OSX at the next upgrade, but I'm not convinced.
So yea, most secretaries use a browser, and email client, but they need to use some apps that will not run on Linux, not to mention OpenBSD.
And as much as I like OpenOffice, and I support them (I haven't used MS Office for a few years now, with the exception of helping some friends), companies can't afford to tell a client "err, this document looks really ugly when I open it with OO" or risk writing something in OO, saving it in
While for a browser, an email client, and an alternative OS it's pretty easy to get people to switch (OSX looks _nothing_ like Windows, and yet I know of nobody who has complained it's not like Windows...), training them to use _other_ programs, presuming they _do_ exist, is not as easy. If you use MS Money (or however it's called), try using GNUCash, and then notice the difference..and that's not even a major app...
They aren't forced to do anything. If they don't like the laws in Europe, they are free to trade elsewhere.
Not entirely true - by _law_, the CEO, as long as other board members _have_ to do what is most profitable for the shareholders. Failure to do so (eg. not doing business in EU will lead to losses) can put them in jail.
That's similar to Google choosing to censure and do business in China - if they don't, then the CEO can go to jail because it's not in the company's best interest.
That's not entirely true. They are offering 500 hours of free support, and that sure will help. I mean, as much as I don't like them, this is pretty much the best they can do. They give documentation, it's shitty and people want more, they give source with some hours of support, that's not good. What would people be satisfied with, other than each line of code be commented, or MS dissapering from the face of the Earth :)
have no problem with selling China cars or airplanes or other stuff like that. But to actively collaborate with the regime in stifling dissent is just too much. After this, I don't think anyone should have any faith at all in their claim that they will stick up to the US Government's fishing expedition.
Actually it's a bit more complicated than that...China (and Japan I believe) bought the US debt, at around 1 trillion dollars. So considering how now the US owes China a significant sum, it will be interestring to see how things will evolve, and if the US will stand up to them, or just bow to them and let them be.
I mean, Bush talks about getting democracy in countries like Iraq, but China, which is anything but democratic....
As soon as they're coming with the .xxx domain I'm buying
:)
se.xxx
I work in a .mil environment ... no CDROM drives...
;)
Our IT system never compromises operations for security, and it never has to.
Well, I guess times have changed
When will Microsoft just drop ActiveX? It's been pretty obvious that it's wrong to give a webapp so much power over your computer.
Microsoft has announced that it will be using UNIX-like permissions for its file system. Will this be part of the Windows Vista release? If not, when will this occur? Will this change imply that users will not need Administrator-like priviledges to run applications?
The Registry has proven to be a very complicated and vulnerable component of Windows. Will Microsoft ever move away from it? Do you have any plans/ideas for improving it?
How much security is Microsoft willing to compromise for ease-of-use?
Are there any plans to remove comonents from being so integrated in the kernel? Do we reallly need apps such as Internet Explorer, Media Player etc. to be a Windows component and have deep hooks into the kernel? This has been an issue for both security and stability.
Thanks for your time,
-Cos
A round of thanks to all the hard work done by the HTTPD team.
you guys ROCK
Agree! Congrats guys, and keep up the good work.
They're one of the few open source projects that are vastly used everywhere, isntaed of a M$ product.
"What we see as a key trend here is that we will have supercomputers of all sizes, including ones that will cost less than $10,000 and be able to sit at your desk or in a department," Gates said.
;)
that's so much crap, the trend is to have thin clients, to have WEB apps instead of bulky software Let's keep the supercomputers for the scientists and the desktops for the average consumer...
I mean, if the trend is for supercomputers under my desk, why the fuck is Microsoft releasing Windows and Office LIVE ?
Sadly, under the PATRIOT Act they can just give you the letter, beat you, put you in a van and never show your face ever again. Or tell anyone they arrested you. Or even mention (to you or ANYONE) under what charges.
::sigh::
And even if you do get to the Supreme Court, it's becoming less certain it would actually give you justice.
not what kind of net/sys admin with security as their focus would be running Windows...? :)
M$ has said multiple times that they would not port their main products (Windows, Office) to the web. With Vista coming out soon, as well as Office12, their vast effort is put into marketing THOSE products. They want to tie people to the actual PC, or why buy one, or more importantly, why buy one with M$ products on them? They have enough issues with Vista being basically XP SP3, Office12 being a new-Apple-like-UI with no real new features and having people move to OO, so breaking it like this makes no sense.
just a thought..
Citing an executive at Microsoft headquarters, Lu said when it comes to China, Linux and Windows should co-exist
.doc, people should change their HTML to make it work with IE because IE is a core component of Windows, and Windows and ONLY Windows should be on a PC.
...
However, the US should remain M$-only.
This is so much f***ing crap. When M$ controls things, it's all good, Linux is communism, OpenDocument is inferior to
The moment some gov entity kicks M$ out the door, they start acting as victims.
I'd love to see at least a day when, accessing a site through a Windows machine with IE will have a pop-up that will say something like:
We detect you are using "MSIE 7.1 Internet Explorer 7/WindowsVista". Due to standards non-compliance, this browser is not supported. By clicking OK some pages might not render properly. Please use a standards compliant browser:
Link-to-Mozilla
Link-to-Firefox
Link-to-Opera
Then I want to see Bill advise webmasters to change their pages to render properly with his shitty browser.
"And there was much rejoicing! ..YAAAY..."
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