Did you forget that Iraq was a U.S. ally at one point? That they used chemical weapons during their war with Iran? Oh, and that those two just so happened to occur during the same time periods?
India, Egypt, China? Might as well include Russia in your list too if you're just going to start listing out countries. And by the way, Egypt was a very close U.S. ally up until Spring fever got to them.
In this case, the idiot up and went to Ohio to plan a wedding knowing full well there's still a chance of having contracted the disease. If more cases stem from this, I think you very wll can find someone to blame.
And I'm pretty sure she won't be the only one. The people on the plane with her are going to continue with their daily lives as if nothing's happened. They should be strictly quarrantined for three weeks, but instead, they're going to to back to Ohio or go onto wherever they're supposed to go (and back maybe), and in three weeks, we'll be real lucky if there are no more cases.
This is getting more and more serious, but the government's attitude continues to be lackadasical. At this point, at-risk people shouldn't even be allowed to go outdoors. Keep them quarrantined: give them food and water, and compensate for whatever loss they might incur once this all blows over, assuming that it will.
A disproportionate response is the only thing that will stop an outbreak here. A reasonable, measured, adequate response will ultimately result in a much higher body count.
No, the reason it's so scary is the #3 is clearly untrue at this point. The protocols are either not being followed, not being enforced, or simply insufficient. Looking at the CDC response and the hospital's response, it's almost like the protocols are being developed as they go along. Select hospitals have training and protocol established. Knowing the insides of a hospital a bit too well, I know most are winging it.
You might expect that for 3rd world countries, but for 1st world countries like the U.S. with a world-class health care system, this is a shock to a lot of people (especially the people who think the U.S. is the best at everything). That's why there's so much noise about ebola. In fact, most people already know (because most people have been to hospitals enough times they know what goes on there) that our medical facilities would be completely inadequate to handle even one case, forget a full-blown outbreak. Couple this with the incredible amount of mobility of a 1st world country, and it's almost a given that there'll eventually be cases everywhere so long as the outbreak in West Africa remains uncontained. And most people know that with enough cases of ebola, the system will simply collapse. That's the scary part.
You can't quarrantine international flights. But you can quarrantine Dallas. Or the hospital. Or the hospital workers who've provided care to Duncan specifically. Or hell, just ground all flights, which they're going to have to do if this gets any more out of control.
This person should not have been allowed to fly. We already have a no-fly list. It's not managed well because of its secrecy and difficulty of getting off, but if there ever was a time it was appropriate to use a list to prohibit people from traveling, that would be now.
No, she had a low grade fever the day of the flight, which indicates a very high probability she was infectious not just on the flight, but before she left.
It's not just the other people on the plane who're at risk. If she spoke to someone at the baggage counter, that person's at risk too. If she used the bathroom, the next person to use the stall would be at risk. Not as high a risk as if she had been vomiting or even speaking, but it's still at risk.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
- George Santanyana
We don't live in an ideal. But it's important we set it up as our goal and try to get as close to it as possible. And when we collectively take a step back, which is inevitable, it's important to note this and do what we can to reverse it. Apathy and scaremongering are both unproductive.
What about the nurse in Spain, who got it from accidentally brushing a contaminated glove against her face? This is a first world medical facilities with all modern supplies. And if you've been to some of the hospitals I've been to in the U.S., it's surprising that people actually come out of them. They're nowhere near as bad as the ones in West Africa, but I guarantee that the bad hospitals here will face similar issues.
It gets easier to do if you've got them all in line waiting for medical clearance. It's pretty easy to track passengers down nowadays. If anything, it's probably the best case that the person is sick on the plane. Sucks to be the other passengers, but Typhoid Mary isn't going to start an epidemic so easily.
The screenings are largely useless though. Incubation is up to 21 days. Which means you could come back infected from West Africa and not show symptoms for up to three whole weeks.
People traveling from West Africa need to be informed. They need to self-monitor for three weeks, and if they start feeling sick, they need to call 911 immediately and convey the right information to the dispatcher. That is only way to stop the spread of ebola once it arrives. Having sick people take public transportation to their nearest hospital rather than call an ambulance would be the worst possible scenario.
The worst are the ads telling you not to pirate movies. Since you're seeing the ad, I think it'd be safe to assume you didn't pirate it. Because if you did pirate the movie, you certainly wouldn't be seeing that useless crap.
Sure, but for the sake of the exercise, let's assume that you can only pick one. Which would you think would yield better results?
In fact, even if we don't make this assumption, there really is one answer to which fix would yield better results. You may have a better shot at fixing one over the other as an individual acting individually. But then I have to question, is acting individually the ideal means by which you can employ to fix the issue? And as we're social creatures living in society, the answer to that particular question should be fairly obvious.
Now, I'm not factoring in your level of comfort, or whether you can make money doing it, or how many minutes of fame it'll get you, or any other such fringe benefit. Because as much as some of these people might be doing it for primarily those reasons, they're also genuinely trying to fix the problem or at least present solutions. And in this context, wouldn't you say there is one issue their collective efforts would be better expended upon addressing over the other?
Here's another way of looking at it. Going for the low hanging fruit is only effective if the immediate effect is necessary for survival or if the effort to get to the higher fruits are prohibitive. That is to say, you don't try to bail the water out first before you plug the hole unless you're sinking rapidly or there's no hole to be plugged and the water's seeping in through the cracks. This is because if you go after the low hanging fruit, you're not fixing the problem itself, just deferring the effects of the problem to another place or time. Are we in such dire straits, or the cost of the alternative so prohibitive that going after the low hanging fruit is necessary?
It's actually a trick question because both are low hanging fruit. Only, one is lower than the other. The fruit at the very top is impossible to get to without something drastic like say, cutting off all of the branches in between.
It's also rather short-sighted, not to mention lazy, to look for "Windows 9.*". I mean, Windows began with version numbers (Windows 1.0, Windows 2.0, Windows 3.0). There's no reason to think that Microsoft wouldn't go back to version numbers.
At the very least, look for the string "Windows 95" and "Windows 98", since there are really only two versions of Windows relevant to the "Windows 9.*" search string. I know hindsight is 20/20, but this one really was avoidable by the simple principle of not being lazy (even if ignorant).
Schools are too poor to pay for a whole fleet of brand new buses and the charging infrastructure around it. And since the largest and majority of school systems are publicly funded, there's too much oil money floating around to allow this to happen anyway. It might work for private schools, but they're also operating on thin margins and there's oil money there too.
Not to mention it'd be a PR disaster waiting to happen. One school bus fire involving the batteries, and you'll bet there's big oil ready to scream, "Think of the children!" irrespective of whether anyone was actually hurt. This is especially true considering diesel doesn't go up in flames easily (the fumes do, but the fuel does not), which is easy to spin.
No, to effectively promote the electric vehicle agenda, school buses should be the last ones to convert. Now, to sabotage it, school buses would be the first point of attack.
It's NIH (not invented here, not the national institute of health) and protectionism at its worst. Rail is invented in Europe and the technology is dominated by European companies. Obviously, we should double down on cars.
Taking this attitude to the extreme yields Detroit. Not suburban Detroit, but inner city Detroit. On the complete opposite side of the spectrum is New York City. I know where I'd rather live in and around.
Of course, it takes a country much, much longer to go bankrupt, but even at that level, it's inevitable (and some may argue has already happened).
No, because no one feels the lack of diversity in fashion affects the efficiency of our economy.
Many people feel someone working as an engineer improves society more than someone working as a retail worker
The fashion industry consists of more than just the lowly retail worker (of which I argue that the ratio of men to women are fairly close to how much men and women respectively pay attention to their fashion and are willing to spend money on fashion). The fashion industry goes from designers to models to critics. And if you get fancy, there are also interior designers and architects. While you don't think there's any value to such work, I would completely disagree. I would argue that aesthetics does have a place in life. A world of pure utilitarianism (your world where engineers are socially more worthwhile than artists) would be as unproductive and miserable as one that consists of no substance and all appearances.
Perhaps you wouldn't mind living in a world consisting of Soviet-era dormatories, but I certainly would think it a bleak and undesirable lifestyle.
This is the same mentality as people who would rather get liposuction and spend a few weeks in the hospital than regulate their diet and exercise over the course of a lifetime. Attack the symptoms, not the cause. Live looking only a few inches ahead and blame the guy who put that lamppost in front of them when they hit it.
I don't subscribe to biological (genetic) factors. Yes, with respect to an individual's performance, biology plays a major role. But in a group, the distribution, with all things except ancestral origin equal, will be the same. If the distribution in different groups differ, it is another factor. Of course, if we had a pure social meritocracy, it'd be easy to pinpoint what the differing factors are, but because we don't (and won't), differentiating between an external factor and an internal factor is harder. It's not impossible to compensate against such biases, but the methods are complex and the benefits less clear-cut.
A lot of argument revolves around solutions, but quite frankly, it's impossible to assert the One True Solution when the factors in play haven't been firmly defined. Of course, those doing the advocating, the factors in play are unrefutable, but that is of course subject to their biases. Which I've found, for people who don't or can't recognized their own biases, their biases tend to have a stronger affect on their worldview and subsequently on their actions. And nobody is purely unbiased; they can choose to or not to compensate.
Some people like to hear themselves speak. Other people like to get things done. (Of course, I'm on Slashdot, so I'm probably one of the former rather than the latter.)
The fault lies in those who give people in the former group a soapbox. It's just being fair and balanced, obviously.
And I'm not talking specifically about women in STEM or any other particular fire that's about to break out sometime somewhere for somebody. This applies to any large show of indignation. Usually, it's no more than just that: a show. IMHO, the louder something gets said, the less credibility it has, because truth and reality needs no promotion to make it true and real. Of course, it doesn't apply to that which is being or is already covered up by loud voices, which complicates things significantly, especially when (in the words of Mark Twain) âoea lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.â But a good litmus test of falsehood is when people try just a little too hard.
I apologize for the rant, but this kind of thing bothers me as much as I gather it bothers you.
Yep, tell that to the homeless guy on the subway the next time you see him. Better yet, tell yourself that while you're in the same car. And then tell your friends and coworkers afterwards that the smell coming off of you wasn't from getting skunked.
Sorry dude, you will stink. Eventually. Some people faster than others. But it will happen. Just because you can't smell it anymore doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Other than that, you certainly will stink after bathing. Especially if you bathe in hot water. Cold water not as much. That's why people put on nice smelling things during and after they wash up.
If you're cooking that exact to the recipe, you're probably doing something wrong.
Relax. The recipe is just a general guideline, not code to be compiled and run on a math processor.
Oh, and don't forget to taste before you serve. An appropriate salt level for the recipe creator may be too salty for your tastes. Same goes with every other taste.
The big problem is that commas are used in mathematical notation elsewhere. Namely, tuples like vectors (coordinates), and other sets of numbers. Granted, the dot is used for multiplication, but we don't say dot for the decimal place, we say point.
That, and people here have enough trouble with grammar and punctuation. It's terribly easy to forget the space between two numbers (or add the space between the integer and the fraction). At which point the rational number turns into a range.
The difference between powershell and *sh (besides the obvious many-small-binaries unix philosophy vs the one-giant-blob windows philosophy) is that *sh is both a CLI and a scripting language. Powershell is useful just as a scripting language. Sure you could use powershell as the CLI, but it does seriously suck.
Granted with bash illustrating the problems of a dual-use CLI and shell, separating the two might not be such a bad idea, but it's so much easier transitioning from shell one-liners to full shell scripting than the same from dos commands to powershell scripting. But posix enables this, not any particular unix shell in and of itself.
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Did you forget that Iraq was a U.S. ally at one point? That they used chemical weapons during their war with Iran? Oh, and that those two just so happened to occur during the same time periods?
India, Egypt, China? Might as well include Russia in your list too if you're just going to start listing out countries. And by the way, Egypt was a very close U.S. ally up until Spring fever got to them.
In this case, the idiot up and went to Ohio to plan a wedding knowing full well there's still a chance of having contracted the disease. If more cases stem from this, I think you very wll can find someone to blame.
And I'm pretty sure she won't be the only one. The people on the plane with her are going to continue with their daily lives as if nothing's happened. They should be strictly quarrantined for three weeks, but instead, they're going to to back to Ohio or go onto wherever they're supposed to go (and back maybe), and in three weeks, we'll be real lucky if there are no more cases.
This is getting more and more serious, but the government's attitude continues to be lackadasical. At this point, at-risk people shouldn't even be allowed to go outdoors. Keep them quarrantined: give them food and water, and compensate for whatever loss they might incur once this all blows over, assuming that it will.
A disproportionate response is the only thing that will stop an outbreak here. A reasonable, measured, adequate response will ultimately result in a much higher body count.
No, the reason it's so scary is the #3 is clearly untrue at this point. The protocols are either not being followed, not being enforced, or simply insufficient. Looking at the CDC response and the hospital's response, it's almost like the protocols are being developed as they go along. Select hospitals have training and protocol established. Knowing the insides of a hospital a bit too well, I know most are winging it.
You might expect that for 3rd world countries, but for 1st world countries like the U.S. with a world-class health care system, this is a shock to a lot of people (especially the people who think the U.S. is the best at everything). That's why there's so much noise about ebola. In fact, most people already know (because most people have been to hospitals enough times they know what goes on there) that our medical facilities would be completely inadequate to handle even one case, forget a full-blown outbreak. Couple this with the incredible amount of mobility of a 1st world country, and it's almost a given that there'll eventually be cases everywhere so long as the outbreak in West Africa remains uncontained. And most people know that with enough cases of ebola, the system will simply collapse. That's the scary part.
The Ebola infection rate was 100% of the monkeys kept in the same room with infected pigs.
I believe that's the airborne strain that doesn't affect humans.
You can't quarrantine international flights. But you can quarrantine Dallas. Or the hospital. Or the hospital workers who've provided care to Duncan specifically. Or hell, just ground all flights, which they're going to have to do if this gets any more out of control.
This person should not have been allowed to fly. We already have a no-fly list. It's not managed well because of its secrecy and difficulty of getting off, but if there ever was a time it was appropriate to use a list to prohibit people from traveling, that would be now.
No, she had a low grade fever the day of the flight, which indicates a very high probability she was infectious not just on the flight, but before she left.
It's not just the other people on the plane who're at risk. If she spoke to someone at the baggage counter, that person's at risk too. If she used the bathroom, the next person to use the stall would be at risk. Not as high a risk as if she had been vomiting or even speaking, but it's still at risk.
They took the picture 16km out, which conveniently converts nicely to an even 10 miles. It's like they wanted Americans to convert.
come from people with short memories.
No, just poor education.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
- George Santanyana
We don't live in an ideal. But it's important we set it up as our goal and try to get as close to it as possible. And when we collectively take a step back, which is inevitable, it's important to note this and do what we can to reverse it. Apathy and scaremongering are both unproductive.
But if they did that, they wouldn't have been able to fit everyone on the wings.
What about the nurse in Spain, who got it from accidentally brushing a contaminated glove against her face? This is a first world medical facilities with all modern supplies. And if you've been to some of the hospitals I've been to in the U.S., it's surprising that people actually come out of them. They're nowhere near as bad as the ones in West Africa, but I guarantee that the bad hospitals here will face similar issues.
And that's not reassuring at all.
It gets easier to do if you've got them all in line waiting for medical clearance. It's pretty easy to track passengers down nowadays. If anything, it's probably the best case that the person is sick on the plane. Sucks to be the other passengers, but Typhoid Mary isn't going to start an epidemic so easily.
The screenings are largely useless though. Incubation is up to 21 days. Which means you could come back infected from West Africa and not show symptoms for up to three whole weeks.
People traveling from West Africa need to be informed. They need to self-monitor for three weeks, and if they start feeling sick, they need to call 911 immediately and convey the right information to the dispatcher. That is only way to stop the spread of ebola once it arrives. Having sick people take public transportation to their nearest hospital rather than call an ambulance would be the worst possible scenario.
We've finally located the asshole of the U.S.
It was ad after ad for movies from ten years ago.
The worst are the ads telling you not to pirate movies. Since you're seeing the ad, I think it'd be safe to assume you didn't pirate it. Because if you did pirate the movie, you certainly wouldn't be seeing that useless crap.
The stupidity just boggles the mind sometimes.
Sure, but for the sake of the exercise, let's assume that you can only pick one. Which would you think would yield better results?
In fact, even if we don't make this assumption, there really is one answer to which fix would yield better results. You may have a better shot at fixing one over the other as an individual acting individually. But then I have to question, is acting individually the ideal means by which you can employ to fix the issue? And as we're social creatures living in society, the answer to that particular question should be fairly obvious.
Now, I'm not factoring in your level of comfort, or whether you can make money doing it, or how many minutes of fame it'll get you, or any other such fringe benefit. Because as much as some of these people might be doing it for primarily those reasons, they're also genuinely trying to fix the problem or at least present solutions. And in this context, wouldn't you say there is one issue their collective efforts would be better expended upon addressing over the other?
Here's another way of looking at it. Going for the low hanging fruit is only effective if the immediate effect is necessary for survival or if the effort to get to the higher fruits are prohibitive. That is to say, you don't try to bail the water out first before you plug the hole unless you're sinking rapidly or there's no hole to be plugged and the water's seeping in through the cracks. This is because if you go after the low hanging fruit, you're not fixing the problem itself, just deferring the effects of the problem to another place or time. Are we in such dire straits, or the cost of the alternative so prohibitive that going after the low hanging fruit is necessary?
It's actually a trick question because both are low hanging fruit. Only, one is lower than the other. The fruit at the very top is impossible to get to without something drastic like say, cutting off all of the branches in between.
It's also rather short-sighted, not to mention lazy, to look for "Windows 9.*". I mean, Windows began with version numbers (Windows 1.0, Windows 2.0, Windows 3.0). There's no reason to think that Microsoft wouldn't go back to version numbers.
At the very least, look for the string "Windows 95" and "Windows 98", since there are really only two versions of Windows relevant to the "Windows 9.*" search string. I know hindsight is 20/20, but this one really was avoidable by the simple principle of not being lazy (even if ignorant).
Schools are too poor to pay for a whole fleet of brand new buses and the charging infrastructure around it. And since the largest and majority of school systems are publicly funded, there's too much oil money floating around to allow this to happen anyway. It might work for private schools, but they're also operating on thin margins and there's oil money there too.
Not to mention it'd be a PR disaster waiting to happen. One school bus fire involving the batteries, and you'll bet there's big oil ready to scream, "Think of the children!" irrespective of whether anyone was actually hurt. This is especially true considering diesel doesn't go up in flames easily (the fumes do, but the fuel does not), which is easy to spin.
No, to effectively promote the electric vehicle agenda, school buses should be the last ones to convert. Now, to sabotage it, school buses would be the first point of attack.
It's NIH (not invented here, not the national institute of health) and protectionism at its worst. Rail is invented in Europe and the technology is dominated by European companies. Obviously, we should double down on cars.
Taking this attitude to the extreme yields Detroit. Not suburban Detroit, but inner city Detroit. On the complete opposite side of the spectrum is New York City. I know where I'd rather live in and around.
Of course, it takes a country much, much longer to go bankrupt, but even at that level, it's inevitable (and some may argue has already happened).
I'm pretty sure research bears out that both education and hiring processes are deeply flawed
So here's a question then: Would it be a better use of time, money, and effort fixing education, or fixing hiring?
No, because no one feels the lack of diversity in fashion affects the efficiency of our economy.
Many people feel someone working as an engineer improves society more than someone working as a retail worker
The fashion industry consists of more than just the lowly retail worker (of which I argue that the ratio of men to women are fairly close to how much men and women respectively pay attention to their fashion and are willing to spend money on fashion). The fashion industry goes from designers to models to critics. And if you get fancy, there are also interior designers and architects. While you don't think there's any value to such work, I would completely disagree. I would argue that aesthetics does have a place in life. A world of pure utilitarianism (your world where engineers are socially more worthwhile than artists) would be as unproductive and miserable as one that consists of no substance and all appearances.
Perhaps you wouldn't mind living in a world consisting of Soviet-era dormatories, but I certainly would think it a bleak and undesirable lifestyle.
This is the same mentality as people who would rather get liposuction and spend a few weeks in the hospital than regulate their diet and exercise over the course of a lifetime. Attack the symptoms, not the cause. Live looking only a few inches ahead and blame the guy who put that lamppost in front of them when they hit it.
I don't subscribe to biological (genetic) factors. Yes, with respect to an individual's performance, biology plays a major role. But in a group, the distribution, with all things except ancestral origin equal, will be the same. If the distribution in different groups differ, it is another factor. Of course, if we had a pure social meritocracy, it'd be easy to pinpoint what the differing factors are, but because we don't (and won't), differentiating between an external factor and an internal factor is harder. It's not impossible to compensate against such biases, but the methods are complex and the benefits less clear-cut.
A lot of argument revolves around solutions, but quite frankly, it's impossible to assert the One True Solution when the factors in play haven't been firmly defined. Of course, those doing the advocating, the factors in play are unrefutable, but that is of course subject to their biases. Which I've found, for people who don't or can't recognized their own biases, their biases tend to have a stronger affect on their worldview and subsequently on their actions. And nobody is purely unbiased; they can choose to or not to compensate.
Some people like to hear themselves speak. Other people like to get things done. (Of course, I'm on Slashdot, so I'm probably one of the former rather than the latter.)
The fault lies in those who give people in the former group a soapbox. It's just being fair and balanced, obviously.
And I'm not talking specifically about women in STEM or any other particular fire that's about to break out sometime somewhere for somebody. This applies to any large show of indignation. Usually, it's no more than just that: a show. IMHO, the louder something gets said, the less credibility it has, because truth and reality needs no promotion to make it true and real. Of course, it doesn't apply to that which is being or is already covered up by loud voices, which complicates things significantly, especially when (in the words of Mark Twain) âoea lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.â But a good litmus test of falsehood is when people try just a little too hard.
I apologize for the rant, but this kind of thing bothers me as much as I gather it bothers you.
If you don't wash, you won't stink.
Yep, tell that to the homeless guy on the subway the next time you see him. Better yet, tell yourself that while you're in the same car. And then tell your friends and coworkers afterwards that the smell coming off of you wasn't from getting skunked.
Sorry dude, you will stink. Eventually. Some people faster than others. But it will happen. Just because you can't smell it anymore doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Other than that, you certainly will stink after bathing. Especially if you bathe in hot water. Cold water not as much. That's why people put on nice smelling things during and after they wash up.
If you're cooking that exact to the recipe, you're probably doing something wrong.
Relax. The recipe is just a general guideline, not code to be compiled and run on a math processor.
Oh, and don't forget to taste before you serve. An appropriate salt level for the recipe creator may be too salty for your tastes. Same goes with every other taste.
The big problem is that commas are used in mathematical notation elsewhere. Namely, tuples like vectors (coordinates), and other sets of numbers. Granted, the dot is used for multiplication, but we don't say dot for the decimal place, we say point.
That, and people here have enough trouble with grammar and punctuation. It's terribly easy to forget the space between two numbers (or add the space between the integer and the fraction). At which point the rational number turns into a range.
The difference between powershell and *sh (besides the obvious many-small-binaries unix philosophy vs the one-giant-blob windows philosophy) is that *sh is both a CLI and a scripting language. Powershell is useful just as a scripting language. Sure you could use powershell as the CLI, but it does seriously suck.
Granted with bash illustrating the problems of a dual-use CLI and shell, separating the two might not be such a bad idea, but it's so much easier transitioning from shell one-liners to full shell scripting than the same from dos commands to powershell scripting. But posix enables this, not any particular unix shell in and of itself.