I would actually prefer most things not be legislated, but when it comes to protecting people either from companies collecting too much data and not protecting it, as exemplified in the OP, or when it comes to protecting the general populace's health, as in the smoking example, it is not just within the government's power to enact protections, but the reason for the government. The government's primary purpose, although most politicians have long since forgotten this, is for protection of the people.
This is where we're going to disagree. The waitress can wait in the non-smoking section, she can work the register, she could work the grill. Well, assuming she actually believes the whole 'post-lung-filtered smoke is far more dangerous than just off a cigarette' propaganda. I'm sure you've already seen the fallout from the whole 'anti-smoking' movement: Now that people who have vices are peer-pressured into not smoking (or - orally taking an appetite suppressant) we're suddenly a nation with an obesity problem. At least it shows that legislation isn't necessary, when proper brain washing is put into effect;)
I do want to be legislated into having to wear weights because I'm naturally faster and more agile than most people. Oh and I don't smoke, I just find the whole situation laughable - at least up to the point where someone thinks they can tell me if I can smoke or not - then it's a serious breach of my rights.
The problem with the "go somewhere else" attitude is manifold. What if there is nowhere else? example: only pharmacy in town and they won't sell you your prescription.
Anyone can play 'What if's. What if the only pharmacy in town is pissing off it's customers? You start a new one. Too lazy? Then deal with the one you have.
What if every provider of the service has the same requirements?
Other than legislation, how else would they? I'm telling you to avoid legislating it.
What if you can't go somewhere else? example: single female bartender/waitress/etc. gets pregnant and needs work.
You mean like the homeless iron worker who sits outside McDonalds asking for money? I don't quite understand the example.
Trying the market forces excuse works for maintaining prices (if there isn't a monopoly/collusion). It does not work in situations like these
Sure it does, you would just prefer to tell everyone to do what you want them to through legislation.
somethings (like this) are not a problem to a individual but are detrimental to the society, thats were government/group action is required.
Right, and your group action is called Capitalism. You get enough people to leave, the bars that swipe cards (or don't dislose usage policies, whatever) will go out of business.
It is in societys intrest to encourage people to protect themselves.
Exactly. So do that, and if enough people don't care - then you're in the minority, and it sucks for you. Our society is NOT supposed to work by having minority dictate what the majority can and cannot do. Therefore, I say no to legislation. Let the market deal with it.
Ultimately, if you want to keep this information out of anybody's hands, you need to keep it out of everybody's hands. This just isn't feasible if you don't want to go completely "off the grid" and move into a fallout shelter in Montana (or just find a 3rd world country and disappear).
Exactly. You can't even move into that fallout shelter without giving more than your driver's license info out. And we're talking about bar's here. These guys are just protecting their own asses with age verification. Unless they're part of some corporate conglomerate, they're just going to overwrite old data as the space fills up anyways.
People should be more worried about the hours of paperwork and credit checks when you are simply buying a car for cash - and of course, unless it's legislated (fight all legislation, including anti-smoking), just go to another bar.
The amount of private info required is WAAY out of control. And the people asking for it are WAAY out of line.
There are two sides to every story. Bars want to swipe your card so they don't get fined for serving to underage kids. By having that data, they have a leg to stand on if/when the kid gets busted.
Of course, legislation is totally not the answer. If you don't want to swipe your license at a bar, go to another one.
IMHO, this is exactly the same as the smoking ban. If you don't want to be around smokers in a bar, go to another one.
I think its more that Dvorak is almost completely clueless, but is very well spoken and is a good writer. He sounds competent to the PHB's, but to anylone who is familiar with the GPL and open source, he sounds like a complete ignoramous.
If you read the whole thing, and reword it in your head, it makes sense:) MS has kernel optimizations for their software. MS Software, without these kernel optimizations would run like crap on any other OS. MS needs shims in the kernel to get these optimizations to Linux without actually having to expose their optimizations to the world - see the pwc driver hell for an example.
I used to like Dvorak - back in the Computer Shopper days - but I guess I liked his hardware rants more than software. I think he has technical knowledge, but he's moved into the wrong forum: He's a perfect example of how not to explain things to laymen.
They haven't developed models that can fully account for observed phenomena, and they take different sets of sweeping assumptions to be able to come up with a manageable model.
That's a wonderful way of putting it (seriously, I totally agree), but there's just little bit of difference between how Evolution is presented and how Global Warming is presented. I'm sure you would look at Evolution differently if you were told the general consensus among scientists was that we would de-evolve into semi-intelligent slugs in 100 years if we didn't start geneticly re-engineering ourselves today.
But you won't be able to convince people until the average yearly temperature about the world has passed the previously recorded high temperature.
You must be in a warm climate. I'm waiting for it to NOT hit -20F during the winter, then maybe I'll believe NY will sink in the Ocean. I mean, really, as much as I wish Windows would just disappear, I still have to live in reality;)
10. Why does IE have to exist? It's part of the Windows platform. (OK.)
Am I the only one reading into MS redefining 'Platform' as the Windows OS and suite of applications?
Or is my definition, Hardware and Software, incorrect?
SPF (and related technologies) are not designed to cut down on spam. They are designed to prevent Joe jobs and address forgery.
I just went through this with a security company for a Visa audit, so let me expand on this. They seemed to think that checking the Mail From: for a local user, when sender wasn't authenticated (I would assume - we never actually got that far), was a valid way of checking for forgeries. There are multiple problems with this.
Their testing was flat out wrong to begin with. They happen to use Exim, which when faced with an empty 'From:', replaces it with 'Mail From:'. So far this only seems to occur with Exim, Postfix, and Exchange. Definitely not qmail. Clients only view the 'From:' header - so they were confused with the results, not knowing what each header was for in the first place.
Any person who is trying to forge an address isn't actually going to leave the From: empty to be replaced with Mail From: - duh.
I'd really love to see any check that can verify a free-form field of a persons name and email. I think we're starting to get just a tad anal if someone can't use 'Rick L Romero', and they have to match their 'Real Name' exactly to use an external client.
Sure SPF can help with forgery, but SPF only checks MAIL FROM: So as you said - it's not an end-user forgery prevention method, it just prevents joe-jobs.
Supposedly this Mail From: 'forgery' testing information was found on a web site for doing PEN testing. Maybe they just stumbled on SPF verification and got confused. *shakes head*
So to follow up - SPF, and Mail From: checking are NOT for blocking spam, and NOT for preventing 'From' address forging.
"Corporate" is just Pro with a Volume License Key (VLK). Going from Pro->Home is no different than Corp->Home. You can't repair between versions without running into trouble.
Right, but you can upgrade Home to a Pirated Corporate, then Repair install the licensed OEM Pro over it;)
This is a perfect example of the difference between a university-educated computer scientist, and a graduate of a 6-month "tech college" program. The community college drone has only been taught how to use one or two tools to perform common tasks, whereas the computer scientist is taught to truly understand the tools, as well as the thinking that went into them, how to use them to solve multiple abstract classes of problems (instead of just a few common, specific problems), and how to apply that knowledge to use tools they haven't seen yet.
That's all well and good, but as a high school graduate, it pisses me off to no end that those 'college educated' programmers may know their language, but don't have a clue about how their applications interact with the rest of the system.
Basically, while I understand why they may ask about how a network is numbered, what a MAC Address is, or IRQ addressing - they shouldn't be asking me why Windows says "Out of Memory" when they run their newly compiled app or why their application isn't working properly when they're calling a DOS window to 'run something' (race condition).
I'm sorry, but in the last 10 years of corporate life, I have yet to see where 'university educated' is really worth more than the 'tech college' program.
And I won't even get into how that exact attitude has completely turned me off to anyone with any higher education. Sorry, but I don't think I'm that good - and when these people don't even compare to me......
I've been using Matt's toasters since 1.6 or so, and all Mail::Toaster does now is initial setup and routine maintenance. I have 3 boxes that run my email service, all based on his toaster and it works without issue. (on much lesser hardware)
I will say that using tcpserver is a hit/miss proposition. If you don't get the memory requirements just right, you can easily take down a server with too many processes.
My primary incoming MX is a $200 machine from WAL-MART with maybe 768MB. I've eaten a few hundred thousand joe-jobs without it going down - just had to wait for the queue to empty after figuring out what account the spammer had created... *grumble*
If seeing the movie in the theater is better, then I'll do that regardless of whether the DVD is out.
That could be true if movies were regularly on DVD AND in theatres at the same time...
I usually watch the DVD because I have 4 kids, and getting to the movies is an irregular occurance. By the time I have a chance to see a movie, it's not in the theatre anymore.
There is such a thing as corporate responsiblity. MS consistantly lies - I liked MS until Win95 came out. At that time, I was a tech, and learned the MS reps (After not answering any questions on Win95 for months) avoided the techs, and told the sales people to sell Win95 no matter what the customer really needed. This sleaze, combined with the 'no more DOS' crap that any moron should have been able to see through, was just the tip of the iceberg for all of us.
So when you defend the lies as 'everybody does it', it's going to be rated flamebait.
As if those are the ONLY machines that were tampered with and it only occured by one side... *rolls eyes*
Or maybe I'm just pissed off cause I live in a nanny state now: Seat Belt laws, child safety seat laws, no smoking laws, can't buy cough medicine in the aisle laws....
All you college grads can take my HS diploma and suck it!:P
Of course... what do they REALLY mean by educated? I mean, I would be doing myself a disfavor if I claimed someone with a college degree was better at my job than I just because of a piece of paper - so is it actually due to brain usage, or is it because I didn't soak my brain in drugs and alcohol for 4 years?
Excellent Program! I actually modified it so that it connects to the ftp site, then does the uploads in a loop - so you're not doing the whole ftp connection/disconnection for each pic. (I use vgrabbj for the actual image capture, with options -q 30 -X -i sif)
There is no reason to believe that the theory won't be falsified.
These statements always crack me up. 'Obviously it can't be true because it doesn't mesh with known physics.' i.e. The math doesn't add up. It's funny - You don't have to 'see' it not working to have 'faith' in your mathmatical religion:)
Next we'll have an article about Intelligent Design, which everyone will jump all over that saying, 'without proof, there is no God'.
BTW, I'm athiest, but I don't presume that we have all the answers, or the means to understand them.
Nice try, but I actually did that. 7th grade.. I would have been 13, so that would have been '86. I have posted it once before on Slashdot though.
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So... when I realized a football player for my college team was cheating off my psychology exam I intentionally answered the questions in the multiple choice exam the wrong way. For example: I bubbled the answer to Question 3 in the Question 4 area.
He didn't want to admit to cheating so he just glared at me and walked away.
I can one-up you there. I had a kid try and cheat off my on a math test in 7th grade. I changed all my answers so I could quickly fix them after I was done, and turned my test in after he was done copying. The best was on the day we got the tests back, and the teacher called up the cheater to her desk to talk to him. I sat in the back of the room and could hear her: "Jason, I just don't understand how all your answers were off by one."
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This is where we're going to disagree. The waitress can wait in the non-smoking section, she can work the register, she could work the grill. Well, assuming she actually believes the whole 'post-lung-filtered smoke is far more dangerous than just off a cigarette' propaganda. I'm sure you've already seen the fallout from the whole 'anti-smoking' movement: Now that people who have vices are peer-pressured into not smoking (or - orally taking an appetite suppressant) we're suddenly a nation with an obesity problem. At least it shows that legislation isn't necessary, when proper brain washing is put into effect ;)
I do want to be legislated into having to wear weights because I'm naturally faster and more agile than most people. Oh and I don't smoke, I just find the whole situation laughable - at least up to the point where someone thinks they can tell me if I can smoke or not - then it's a serious breach of my rights.
The problem with the "go somewhere else" attitude is manifold. What if there is nowhere else? example: only pharmacy in town and they won't sell you your prescription.
Anyone can play 'What if's. What if the only pharmacy in town is pissing off it's customers? You start a new one. Too lazy? Then deal with the one you have.
What if every provider of the service has the same requirements?Other than legislation, how else would they? I'm telling you to avoid legislating it.
What if you can't go somewhere else? example: single female bartender/waitress/etc. gets pregnant and needs work.
You mean like the homeless iron worker who sits outside McDonalds asking for money? I don't quite understand the example.
Trying the market forces excuse works for maintaining prices (if there isn't a monopoly/collusion). It does not work in situations like these
Sure it does, you would just prefer to tell everyone to do what you want them to through legislation.
somethings (like this) are not a problem to a individual but are detrimental to the society, thats were government/group action is required.
Right, and your group action is called Capitalism. You get enough people to leave, the bars that swipe cards (or don't dislose usage policies, whatever) will go out of business.
It is in societys intrest to encourage people to protect themselves.
Exactly. So do that, and if enough people don't care - then you're in the minority, and it sucks for you. Our society is NOT supposed to work by having minority dictate what the majority can and cannot do. Therefore, I say no to legislation. Let the market deal with it.
Ultimately, if you want to keep this information out of anybody's hands, you need to keep it out of everybody's hands. This just isn't feasible if you don't want to go completely "off the grid" and move into a fallout shelter in Montana (or just find a 3rd world country and disappear).
Exactly. You can't even move into that fallout shelter without giving more than your driver's license info out. And we're talking about bar's here. These guys are just protecting their own asses with age verification. Unless they're part of some corporate conglomerate, they're just going to overwrite old data as the space fills up anyways.
People should be more worried about the hours of paperwork and credit checks when you are simply buying a car for cash - and of course, unless it's legislated (fight all legislation, including anti-smoking), just go to another bar.
The amount of private info required is WAAY out of control. And the people asking for it are WAAY out of line.
There are two sides to every story. Bars want to swipe your card so they don't get fined for serving to underage kids. By having that data, they have a leg to stand on if/when the kid gets busted.
Of course, legislation is totally not the answer. If you don't want to swipe your license at a bar, go to another one.
IMHO, this is exactly the same as the smoking ban. If you don't want to be around smokers in a bar, go to another one.
I think its more that Dvorak is almost completely clueless, but is very well spoken and is a good writer. He sounds competent to the PHB's, but to anylone who is familiar with the GPL and open source, he sounds like a complete ignoramous.
If you read the whole thing, and reword it in your head, it makes sense :) MS has kernel optimizations for their software. MS Software, without these kernel optimizations would run like crap on any other OS. MS needs shims in the kernel to get these optimizations to Linux without actually having to expose their optimizations to the world - see the pwc driver hell for an example.
I used to like Dvorak - back in the Computer Shopper days - but I guess I liked his hardware rants more than software. I think he has technical knowledge, but he's moved into the wrong forum: He's a perfect example of how not to explain things to laymen.
They haven't developed models that can fully account for observed phenomena, and they take different sets of sweeping assumptions to be able to come up with a manageable model.
That's a wonderful way of putting it (seriously, I totally agree), but there's just little bit of difference between how Evolution is presented and how Global Warming is presented. I'm sure you would look at Evolution differently if you were told the general consensus among scientists was that we would de-evolve into semi-intelligent slugs in 100 years if we didn't start geneticly re-engineering ourselves today.
Sure does sound silly doesn't it?
You ALMOST got the joke, actually it's "Those who can't, teach"
So make sure none of your peer-reviewed papers are by professorsBut you won't be able to convince people until the average yearly temperature about the world has passed the previously recorded high temperature.
You must be in a warm climate. I'm waiting for it to NOT hit -20F during the winter, then maybe I'll believe NY will sink in the Ocean. ;)
I mean, really, as much as I wish Windows would just disappear, I still have to live in reality
10. Why does IE have to exist? It's part of the Windows platform. (OK.) Am I the only one reading into MS redefining 'Platform' as the Windows OS and suite of applications?
Or is my definition, Hardware and Software, incorrect?
SPF (and related technologies) are not designed to cut down on spam. They are designed to prevent Joe jobs and address forgery.
I just went through this with a security company for a Visa audit, so let me expand on this. They seemed to think that checking the Mail From: for a local user, when sender wasn't authenticated (I would assume - we never actually got that far), was a valid way of checking for forgeries. There are multiple problems with this.Supposedly this Mail From: 'forgery' testing information was found on a web site for doing PEN testing. Maybe they just stumbled on SPF verification and got confused. *shakes head*
So to follow up - SPF, and Mail From: checking are NOT for blocking spam, and NOT for preventing 'From' address forging.
Right, but you can upgrade Home to a Pirated Corporate, then Repair install the licensed OEM Pro over it ;)
That's all well and good, but as a high school graduate, it pisses me off to no end that those 'college educated' programmers may know their language, but don't have a clue about how their applications interact with the rest of the system.
Basically, while I understand why they may ask about how a network is numbered, what a MAC Address is, or IRQ addressing - they shouldn't be asking me why Windows says "Out of Memory" when they run their newly compiled app or why their application isn't working properly when they're calling a DOS window to 'run something' (race condition).
I'm sorry, but in the last 10 years of corporate life, I have yet to see where 'university educated' is really worth more than the 'tech college' program.
And I won't even get into how that exact attitude has completely turned me off to anyone with any higher education. Sorry, but I don't think I'm that good - and when these people don't even compare to me......
Screw the console, I want a full-sizer to put next to my original SMB.
You should see my 2 year old go to town on that thing.
"I be Mawio, then I JUMP on da totle.. and then.. I go down undagwond and then.. I get to da fowest"
Yes, my 2 year old can reach 1-3.
I guess we know who writes the true Servers OS, and who writes the true Desktop OS.
Nice try at a troll though :)
I will say that using tcpserver is a hit/miss proposition. If you don't get the memory requirements just right, you can easily take down a server with too many processes.
My primary incoming MX is a $200 machine from WAL-MART with maybe 768MB. I've eaten a few hundred thousand joe-jobs without it going down - just had to wait for the queue to empty after figuring out what account the spammer had created... *grumble*
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That could be true if movies were regularly on DVD AND in theatres at the same time...
I usually watch the DVD because I have 4 kids, and getting to the movies is an irregular occurance. By the time I have a chance to see a movie, it's not in the theatre anymore.
Sure, I'll give ya that, but $40k to send a guy out to look for new solder joints and essentially ghost the machine?
So when you defend the lies as 'everybody does it', it's going to be rated flamebait.
Or maybe I'm just pissed off cause I live in a nanny state now: Seat Belt laws, child safety seat laws, no smoking laws, can't buy cough medicine in the aisle laws....
Of course... what do they REALLY mean by educated? I mean, I would be doing myself a disfavor if I claimed someone with a college degree was better at my job than I just because of a piece of paper - so is it actually due to brain usage, or is it because I didn't soak my brain in drugs and alcohol for 4 years?
Nice work!
These statements always crack me up. 'Obviously it can't be true because it doesn't mesh with known physics.' i.e. The math doesn't add up. It's funny - You don't have to 'see' it not working to have 'faith' in your mathmatical religion :)
Next we'll have an article about Intelligent Design, which everyone will jump all over that saying, 'without proof, there is no God'.
BTW, I'm athiest, but I don't presume that we have all the answers, or the means to understand them.
Nice try, but I actually did that. 7th grade.. I would have been 13, so that would have been '86. I have posted it once before on Slashdot though.
He didn't want to admit to cheating so he just glared at me and walked away.
I can one-up you there. I had a kid try and cheat off my on a math test in 7th grade. I changed all my answers so I could quickly fix them after I was done, and turned my test in after he was done copying. The best was on the day we got the tests back, and the teacher called up the cheater to her desk to talk to him. I sat in the back of the room and could hear her: "Jason, I just don't understand how all your answers were off by one."