When you use words like "always" and "every time" it's like waving a huge red flag that says "I'm talking out of my ass!".
It's so sad when nerds come on here to argue about how things LOOK. The last thing I do when considering a high-dollar electronics purchase is look at it. The first thing is deciding what specs I need and what standards it should support. Does it do everything I want?
Then once I find something that matches my needs I work on the price. Can I get something similar for cheaper? Can I do without some feature to save money? If part of it breaks will it be easy to fix or replace? There's dozens of variables before I finally get to a handful of products to pick from based purely on aesthetics. Then I can go "oh this one has sharp edges" or "this one is hot pink and covered in pwnies!!!".
I suspect the fanboys are starting in the exact opposite direction. "Ooo look a polished turd! I wonder if I can get it to do something useful" or "Hey it's not Windows but it's simple to operate! Now I can be an elitist prick to everyone I meet!".
As for me OS X never even made it to the aesthetics round. It doesn't play all the games I'm into and if I was going to live without all the games it sure as hell wouldn't be just to overpay for commodity hardware so I can run a bastardized version of UNIX.
Some people have hinted at BIOS settings etc but I can't find it. During POST it shows the 4GB. This is a quad-core on a EVGA SLI mobo and supposedly it supports up to 8GB. Vista Home Premium 32-bit is supposed to support it yet in the system settings it shows about 2800 MB total memory.
I don't know about you guys but every time there was some mysterious assassin in a movie there were never any photographs of him. I always envied that.
The aplore worm used the same trick in 2002 except it setup a web server on each computer and sent a URL pointing to it in IM windows. I'm sure there are earlier examples but that is the first one off the top of my head.
Wow cool, I'm glad we are measuring security by how many subroutines the OS has. This is great news because we can make the most secure OS ever, simply by having it do everything from a single main() call.
Do you think my country can do anything about the ever-increasing loads of crap that I get shoved down my throat everytime I enter the US?
I don't know what country you're from but if you're big enough to make some of our businesses feel the hurt from lack of tourism then simply not coming here and letting us know why could be enough to get something positive happening in congress. As long as our constitution is still standing there is a chance we can undo all these knee-jerk anti-terrorism laws and policies. That's why I still love this country.
I asked my friend about that and he says that the iTunes wasn't blank it just had a couple of shit mp3s that were already on Windows. Maybe it will ask when it's blank but not when it has at least 1 song in the library?
Given your use of power internationally (both diplomatic and violent power), we would prefer if you had a better functioning democracy.
If you want to draw a line down the middle and say "only your side of the house is on fire" then by all means have at it. You could pitch in too if you wanted though. Simply by voting in your own country (lead by example) and educating everyone you come in contact with online about the dangers we face from giving up our privacy and freedoms. I'm sure pissing in our faces and asking "how's the weather" isn't the right way to go about it though.
OS X has several critical flaws published... damn you bug reporters for making the bugs public!
iPod may be corrupted when using iTunes... damn you Vista for doing whatever you did!
I'm sorry but I'm going to have to go with Apple as the guilty party here. They should have either tested their software properly on Vista or added some simple checks to prevent the application from being used until it's updated.
iTunes is very suspect here because the Windows version is a bloated piece of shit. There are only 2 applications that I simply dread installing. So much that I've spent money to avoid using them. That's iTunes and RealPlayer. They are the most invasive, unstable, bloated pieces of shit outside of Microsoft's own handy work, IE and WMP.
Once, I watched my friend plug in his iPod shuffle on a brand new installation of iTunes without turning off the autosync crap. Genius of end-user experience Apple decided that iTunes's default behavior would be to erase all his files so that it would be synced with his new blank library. He was pissed and has been using Anapod Explorer ever since.
Now please feel free to mod me down and hit me with a barrage of "but..but..but Windows!".
I realized that people who make this claim are probably masking an inferiority complex of some sort.
I can assure you that is not the case. I consider myself a Linux user above all else. As for the arrogance, I can only speak about those I've come in contact with, which is mainly here on slashdot. It seems that every post about OS X security or Apple's business practices ends with "but-but-but Windows!". That comes off as arrogant to me. I know there are plenty of exceptions. Just don't claim that I feel burned by Microsoft (see what I mean?) and I'm lashing out. I've made a living off a picking Windows security apart. They've been nothing but good for my business.
What does Microsoft have to do with anything?! Is it possible to stick to talking about your own OS for two seconds? Even if MOAB is publicity whoring it doesn't change the fact that these bugs were real. If someone wanted to do something malicious with them, they could have. Imagine if MOAB never existed and someone else found those bugs. Then what? You expect everyone to dutifully submit them to Apple? Not likely. Eventually someone is going to do something malicious and you better not rely on the "honor system" to stop them. Sure MOAB is a slap in the face to Apple and their customers. So what? Don't buy their t-shirts. Complaining about it won't stop it. You better get used to dealing with this. It's only going to get worse.
Yeah, that's clearly their intention after you look at the non-apple issues such as the ones in OmniWeb, Transmit, VLC, Flip4Mac, Rumpus, et cetera. Clearly, those are an attack against apple's "flaky technical support".
I think those would just fall under "arrogance on the part of the Mac community in general". Please by all means pick only 1 out of 3 reasons given to argue against. I'd hate for you to respond to what I actually wrote. Anything to distract away from the gaping security hole OS X is turning out to be...
If you think people doing this for publicity is bad, wait until OS X gets enough market share for these vulnerabilities to be bought, sold and used to compromise computers en masse. I don't know about you but I think a worm would be a lot more publicity whoring than disclosing these bugs publicly so they can be fixed. It's a nice wake up call if anything. Mac users need to start taking security seriously before it's too late. Just because you think your operating system is better than (insert other OS here) doesn't mean it's invincible. Apple takes bugs too personally and tries to cover them up quietly to protect their image. Sure the bugs get fixed but which bugs? How do I know they really are fixed? What if they made another mistake? These are reasonable concerns and it shows that Apple is worrying about the bottom line more than the customer. You have to realize that MOAB isn't an unwarranted attack against Apple. It's backlash for years of flaky technical support, deceitful practices and arrogance on the part of the Mac community in general. We really need to get passed blaming how others reveal Apple's mistakes. It's unproductive and harmful to consumers.
You're an idiot. The "It Just Works" slogan is not Microsoft's. It's Apple's slogan! So everything you just said amounts to bullshit.
Now that you're done making a fool of yourself let me say that there's nothing magical about security. If you don't understand what your computer is doing, how it handles security and how to keep it up to date then you're going to get screwed eventually. Using Windows simply speeds it up because the process can be automated. It would happen if OS X was the market leader and it would happen if Linux was the market leader. Please don't call me a shill simply because our views differ. I have nothing to gain by Microsoft having a better image.
There seems to be something in American culture that causes many people here to reserve their greatest admiration for the politicians and companies that abuse them the most.
Ahh, So THAT is why Apple is getting so much more popular lately!
So now it's Windows fault because people are too stupid or lazy to out figure the difference? That's quite a stretch. Nevermind the fact that people like me leave their PC running constantly because it takes too long to startup. With this new scheme I might actually consider putting it into standby and thereby save power. Only until you count both sides will you actually know the impact it has. But don't let that stop everyone from making outrageous claims though. No, clearly XP ruined the planet and Vista is lined up to do the same. EVERYBODY PANIC. Meanwhile, Apple, one of the least green computer companies gets a free pass...
I think this type of argument stems from the attitude some people have regarding their operating system of choice. Some people believe their operating system is more secure and feel the need to belittle the security of other operating systems. Those of us with level heads know that all human designs are prone to error. Relying on others to take care of your own security is foolish. Be it Microsoft, Apple or anyone else.
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How dare you sir! This article is for bashing on Microsoft ONLY! You must wait until the next iPhone article to bash Apple. So, about 15 minutes...
When you use words like "always" and "every time" it's like waving a huge red flag that says "I'm talking out of my ass!".
It's so sad when nerds come on here to argue about how things LOOK. The last thing I do when considering a high-dollar electronics purchase is look at it. The first thing is deciding what specs I need and what standards it should support. Does it do everything I want?
Then once I find something that matches my needs I work on the price. Can I get something similar for cheaper? Can I do without some feature to save money? If part of it breaks will it be easy to fix or replace? There's dozens of variables before I finally get to a handful of products to pick from based purely on aesthetics. Then I can go "oh this one has sharp edges" or "this one is hot pink and covered in pwnies!!!".
I suspect the fanboys are starting in the exact opposite direction. "Ooo look a polished turd! I wonder if I can get it to do something useful" or "Hey it's not Windows but it's simple to operate! Now I can be an elitist prick to everyone I meet!".
As for me OS X never even made it to the aesthetics round. It doesn't play all the games I'm into and if I was going to live without all the games it sure as hell wouldn't be just to overpay for commodity hardware so I can run a bastardized version of UNIX.
Please stop calling every Digital Media Player on the planet an iPod.
Thanks in advance,
Those of us that aren't dumb asses.
Some people have hinted at BIOS settings etc but I can't find it. During POST it shows the 4GB. This is a quad-core on a EVGA SLI mobo and supposedly it supports up to 8GB. Vista Home Premium 32-bit is supposed to support it yet in the system settings it shows about 2800 MB total memory.
I don't know about you guys but every time there was some mysterious assassin in a movie there were never any photographs of him. I always envied that.
The aplore worm used the same trick in 2002 except it setup a web server on each computer and sent a URL pointing to it in IM windows. I'm sure there are earlier examples but that is the first one off the top of my head.
Did you pay for Linux? Did you pay for a wireless card designed for Linux by the same company that sold you Linux?
You didn't?
Then why did these people pay Apple for the same treatment?
Either your comment is stupid or Apple customers are stupid.
I'm sure Apple will thank you. It's also annoying to the rest of us that know the difference.
Wow cool, I'm glad we are measuring security by how many subroutines the OS has. This is great news because we can make the most secure OS ever, simply by having it do everything from a single main() call.
Wait...what?
Spock: That is wise. Were I to invoke logic, however, logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Do you think my country can do anything about the ever-increasing loads of crap that I get shoved down my throat everytime I enter the US?
I don't know what country you're from but if you're big enough to make some of our businesses feel the hurt from lack of tourism then simply not coming here and letting us know why could be enough to get something positive happening in congress. As long as our constitution is still standing there is a chance we can undo all these knee-jerk anti-terrorism laws and policies. That's why I still love this country.
I asked my friend about that and he says that the iTunes wasn't blank it just had a couple of shit mp3s that were already on Windows. Maybe it will ask when it's blank but not when it has at least 1 song in the library?
Given your use of power internationally (both diplomatic and violent power), we would prefer if you had a better functioning democracy.
If you want to draw a line down the middle and say "only your side of the house is on fire" then by all means have at it. You could pitch in too if you wanted though. Simply by voting in your own country (lead by example) and educating everyone you come in contact with online about the dangers we face from giving up our privacy and freedoms. I'm sure pissing in our faces and asking "how's the weather" isn't the right way to go about it though.
but trying to keep the lid on until its official launch at LinuxWorld
Tried and failed..
OS X has several critical flaws published... damn you bug reporters for making the bugs public!
iPod may be corrupted when using iTunes... damn you Vista for doing whatever you did!
I'm sorry but I'm going to have to go with Apple as the guilty party here. They should have either tested their software properly on Vista or added some simple checks to prevent the application from being used until it's updated.
iTunes is very suspect here because the Windows version is a bloated piece of shit. There are only 2 applications that I simply dread installing. So much that I've spent money to avoid using them. That's iTunes and RealPlayer. They are the most invasive, unstable, bloated pieces of shit outside of Microsoft's own handy work, IE and WMP.
Once, I watched my friend plug in his iPod shuffle on a brand new installation of iTunes without turning off the autosync crap. Genius of end-user experience Apple decided that iTunes's default behavior would be to erase all his files so that it would be synced with his new blank library. He was pissed and has been using Anapod Explorer ever since.
Now please feel free to mod me down and hit me with a barrage of "but..but..but Windows!".
I realized that people who make this claim are probably masking an inferiority complex of some sort.
I can assure you that is not the case. I consider myself a Linux user above all else. As for the arrogance, I can only speak about those I've come in contact with, which is mainly here on slashdot. It seems that every post about OS X security or Apple's business practices ends with "but-but-but Windows!". That comes off as arrogant to me. I know there are plenty of exceptions. Just don't claim that I feel burned by Microsoft (see what I mean?) and I'm lashing out. I've made a living off a picking Windows security apart. They've been nothing but good for my business.
What does Microsoft have to do with anything?! Is it possible to stick to talking about your own OS for two seconds? Even if MOAB is publicity whoring it doesn't change the fact that these bugs were real. If someone wanted to do something malicious with them, they could have. Imagine if MOAB never existed and someone else found those bugs. Then what? You expect everyone to dutifully submit them to Apple? Not likely. Eventually someone is going to do something malicious and you better not rely on the "honor system" to stop them. Sure MOAB is a slap in the face to Apple and their customers. So what? Don't buy their t-shirts. Complaining about it won't stop it. You better get used to dealing with this. It's only going to get worse.
Yeah, that's clearly their intention after you look at the non-apple issues such as the ones in OmniWeb, Transmit, VLC, Flip4Mac, Rumpus, et cetera. Clearly, those are an attack against apple's "flaky technical support".
I think those would just fall under "arrogance on the part of the Mac community in general". Please by all means pick only 1 out of 3 reasons given to argue against. I'd hate for you to respond to what I actually wrote. Anything to distract away from the gaping security hole OS X is turning out to be...
If you think people doing this for publicity is bad, wait until OS X gets enough market share for these vulnerabilities to be bought, sold and used to compromise computers en masse. I don't know about you but I think a worm would be a lot more publicity whoring than disclosing these bugs publicly so they can be fixed. It's a nice wake up call if anything. Mac users need to start taking security seriously before it's too late. Just because you think your operating system is better than (insert other OS here) doesn't mean it's invincible. Apple takes bugs too personally and tries to cover them up quietly to protect their image. Sure the bugs get fixed but which bugs? How do I know they really are fixed? What if they made another mistake? These are reasonable concerns and it shows that Apple is worrying about the bottom line more than the customer. You have to realize that MOAB isn't an unwarranted attack against Apple. It's backlash for years of flaky technical support, deceitful practices and arrogance on the part of the Mac community in general. We really need to get passed blaming how others reveal Apple's mistakes. It's unproductive and harmful to consumers.
You're an idiot. The "It Just Works" slogan is not Microsoft's. It's Apple's slogan! So everything you just said amounts to bullshit.
Now that you're done making a fool of yourself let me say that there's nothing magical about security. If you don't understand what your computer is doing, how it handles security and how to keep it up to date then you're going to get screwed eventually. Using Windows simply speeds it up because the process can be automated. It would happen if OS X was the market leader and it would happen if Linux was the market leader. Please don't call me a shill simply because our views differ. I have nothing to gain by Microsoft having a better image.
It's not a bad thing
Frivolous lawsuits aren't a bad thing?
There seems to be something in American culture that causes many people here to reserve their greatest admiration for the politicians and companies that abuse them the most.
Ahh, So THAT is why Apple is getting so much more popular lately!
So now it's Windows fault because people are too stupid or lazy to out figure the difference? That's quite a stretch. Nevermind the fact that people like me leave their PC running constantly because it takes too long to startup. With this new scheme I might actually consider putting it into standby and thereby save power. Only until you count both sides will you actually know the impact it has. But don't let that stop everyone from making outrageous claims though. No, clearly XP ruined the planet and Vista is lined up to do the same. EVERYBODY PANIC. Meanwhile, Apple, one of the least green computer companies gets a free pass...
I think this type of argument stems from the attitude some people have regarding their operating system of choice. Some people believe their operating system is more secure and feel the need to belittle the security of other operating systems. Those of us with level heads know that all human designs are prone to error. Relying on others to take care of your own security is foolish. Be it Microsoft, Apple or anyone else.
..but can she run Linux?