I agree that no one is *forcing* anyone to use the DRM'd music, but the way things are going, we will have no choice but to use DRM'd music and video.
Big Tobacco is completely different. Tobacco is addicting (rather nicotine in Tobacco is addicting) and once you're hooked it's hard to be unhooked. Of course, no one forced you to get hooked in the first place other than yourself. But the point is once you're on cigarettes, it's hard to get off of them.
DRM is no such thing. It is not a product and it isn't something that consumers would want at all. I don't like Apple's DRM because I'd like to store my music in a format that I like and not be restricted by it. I don't 'illegally' share it or anything like that. I use the JHymn software to remove the FairPlay DRM from it. Doesn't really hurt much, it's my Fair Use right to do so. The courts have determined that.
The problem with DRM is that companies will soon impose it on us. If you have been following the HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray wars at all, you will know that the two camps are trying to say that they have *better* DRM than the other, stating that their format is effectively more DRM'd than the other. Microshaft has stated that in Vista, it will be handling media files much differently from how they are handled today. This will limit users' fair use rights. DRM is going to be imposed on us. It is not like tobacco which is only imposed on us if we use tobacco products or live with those who do.
The time has come to make a choice. Do we want software that, while preserving the 'rights' of select few (mainly the RIAA and the Five labels), arguably infringes upon our rights as users and as consumers? The US Constitution, Article I, Section 8 Clause 8 enumerates that Congress has the right "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;" This is the legal stem of copyright. In the words of (former) Surpreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor:
The primary objective of copyright is not to reward the labor of authors, but [t]o promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts...To this end, copyright assures authors the right to their original expression, but encourages others to build freely upon the ideas and information conveyed by a work. This result is neither unfair nor unfortunate. It is the means by which copyright advances the progress of science and art.
Copyright is not an end for artists, it is an end for the immortalism of art and science.
Ok, we've got a word
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _::spin::
"I'll take an 'r' please"::buzz::
"Sorry, no 'r'"::spin::
"I'll take an 's'"::buzz::
"Ooh, sorry, no 's'"::spin::
"I'll take an 'l'"
"Yes, one 'l'"
_ _ _ _ _ _ L _
"I'd like to buy a vowel; 'o'"
"Three 'o's"
_ O _ O _ O L _::spin::
"I'll take a 't'"
"Sorry, no 't'"::spin::
"I'll take a 'y'"
"One 'y'"
_ O _ O _ O L Y::spin::
"I'll take an 'n'"
"Yes, one 'n'"
_ O N O _ O L Y
"I'd like to solve the puzzle"
"Go ahead"
"MONOPOLY!!!"
"Very good, that's $2500 for winning that puzzle--"::ding ding ding::
"And that sound means this is a bonus puzzle."
"Yay!!! Big money! Big money!"
"Alright, name the largest monopoly in existance"
"Microso--"
--SIGNAL LOST--
Actually, the Etruscans did not invent the modern alphabet. If we were being technical, the Phoenicians invented the modern alphabet, gave it to Greece, and then Alexander spread it throughout the world. Of course, the Etruscans were one of the civilizations prior to Rome, but were by no means the only. The Latins inhabited the Italian Peninsula, and the Etruscans, who had migrated presumably from Greece, formed their Northern Border. The last three Kings of Rome in the Monarchy were actually Etruscan. The last, Tarquinius Superbus, was overthrown because of his harsh despotism, and the Republic was founded (509 BC).
Well is that any worse than today, where because of plastic surgery, people are going to be running around with perky boobs, well-hung wangs, and no idea on how they got them or how to use them?
...resistance is futile. The RIAA, though it may at one time have had good intentions (and a neccesity to exist) is now obsolete. The internet has changed EVERYTHING. Folks who said 10 years ago "I ordered books on Amazon.com" and thought it would be the end-all-be-all, obviously they were wrong. They didn't see it coming. The RIAA "ain't seen nothin' yet." We could even find a lawyer willing to represent us and sue the pants off of the RIAA. Wait, they aren't wearing any; they have been too busy under the covers with the government...
I don't think my prejudice is on trial here. I open up saying "I hate Microshaft". Does this sound independant, fair, and balanced to you? Forgive me for taking an opinion on something. And I would like to second the other replier. Using an iPod doesn't lock you into anything. There are third party softwares. And what does DRM have to do with anything? M$ uses them. But that is one thing that isn't M$'s fault. They have to, because cartels like the RIAA would sue them to oblivion. M$ is somewhat at fault because they cherish the DRMs so. But no one is forced to buy anything from iTMS. I buy CDs and then rip them into iTunes. I also use file-sharing.
As for OSx86, you obviously are very misinformed. OSx86 that I am refering to is the pirate project that took a leaked beta release and CUT OUT the DRM that was in there so that it could work on ANY x86 machine. Perhaps Apple's strategy, but definitely not an attempt to monopolize. That would require a monopoly to begin with. 2.3% marketshare does NOT constitute a monopoly, especially when it started with a very high market share w/ the orignal Macintosh. I think your argument shot itself in the foot there; Microsoft monopolize Apple, among others (including Netscape).
As for OS X interoperability, I'd like to get what you're smoking. Windows has no support for appletalk or linux networks without third party software. Apple has built in support for windows file sharing, windows networks, et al. Get some real information and admit that you don't know what you're talking about. Using the "last version I tried" is just a cop out. I don't own OS X, but I use it at school and at work. It is more secure, stable, elegant, and in all other ways superior to Windows. Give me some real reasons and I might begin to agree with you.
Matthew, the spirit of open source and truth. Your post brings a quotation to mind: Ignorance isn't what you don't know, it's what you know that ain't so.
He wanted us to think that Apple essentially store M$'s idea and rushed it to market.
Agreed. If the author were correct, then why does Apple already have a very quick desktop search feature that they integrated into the OS. Microsoft has one and they could have released it in their crappy update things...oh, wait, they want you to spend your precious $500 dollars to buy the OS. Or maybe they don't have it yet (they have fudged demos before, even under oath in court). I completely agree with you, bano.
I hate Microshaft because of their business practices, which do extend into shoddy products that they make. Windows is just the beginning. It isn't all that bad of an OS, but it is so easy to flat-out ruin. Viruses are easy to write for Windows. It's code is just one big heap, a monolith of sorts.
I do not hate the giant for the sake of hating them. That is just stupid. And if they adopted Linux without bastardizing the OS, I'd be in favor of it. Maybe call it Winux or something (pronounced "winks"). Maybe get off of the IP high-horse and go a little Open Source (without attacking us, the people who make/. great). Maybe stop invading and monopolizing other markets. Apple is not the major innovator that people purport them to be, but they do have the creative spirit and they do innovate many products. Apple didn't invent the.mp3 format nor did they invent the player, nor did they even invent the small hard drive. But they did put them together into a user-friendly, elegant, and stylish package that seamlessly worked and synchronized with the user's computer. Instead of being a weed, as M$ is, they are more of a collaborator.
As for the hardware, I have one quasi-word for you: OSx86. M$ has in the past done a fairly good job of keeping hardware interoperable, yet even Linux Distros seem to do a good job. The proof of the pudding, however, is the software interoperability and backward compatibility. The Win API is significantly different in Vista, something that will break backward compatibility. With tools like Wine and Rosetta, Microsoft no longer has a monopoly on the API. Plus, since Vista promises no backward-compatibility (although I only know a bit about it, so someone feel free to correct me), and at most it would use something like the "classic" emulator in OS X. I actually hope that M$ can reinvent itself, so that maybe we will actually have competitive computer companies that are providing products that equal or surpass Moore's law. Wouldn't that be great? Then us/. folks would have even less of a life:-D.
Bush: "Turd Blossom! Turd Blossom!!! I'm not gonna fire you for leakin' the CIA guy's name, but I'm puttin' you in charge of::unnaturally long pause::space penguin. We're gonna blast Terror from beyond the planet and go to the moon. What can bin Laden do then? Hi-jack a spaceship, heh heh. And we'll call it penguin so that all those Linux folks'll think that it's Linux, but then we can reveal that they are truly terr(or)ists trying to attack my personal lover, Bill Gates. Then I'll be guarenteed a political office after I leave this Oval one."
With the M$ desktop search, it will be insecure with bugs, so that anyone and their brother can search for anything on your computer--in four seconds!!!!
The guy is an M$ user, supporter and in all other ways, an M$ borg. He gives many excuses for why Apple is better than Microsoft. He says (first) that Apple copied many Microsoft technologies revealed at the 2003 developers conference. Then he also gives excuses as to why Apple's UI is better. I got sick of reading the article. He claimed that M$ was like a poor picked on little kid at the playground. I doubt that. A company with that size and power has the capability to do whatever the fuck they want. I don't buy that bullshit. Apple was smart and decided to build on top of Darwin Unix. But M$ would never be so bold (no pun intended). Just hot air from a hopelessly plugged-in M$ user.
I wish more people understood how corrupt Microsoft (or as I say, 'Microshaft') really is. Take a look at political funds, for instance. Bill Gates gives the maximum allowed $2000 to all of the Republican Candidates for political offices that he can, including Bush, Sen. Harry Reid, not to mention a score of others. Also consider that during the Clinton Administration (Clinton did not recieve the money from Gates), the US Department of Justice under Janet Reno filed the anti-Trust suit against Microshaft. Bush was elected. The suit was all-but-dropped. Microsoft payed a few hundred million in fines, but what's a few hundred million to M$? THEY WERE ALLOWED TO KEEP DOING THIS! Someone said that history keeps repeating itself, and this individual doesn't know how correct (s)he is. M$ is of late employing the strategy that John D. Rockefeller used to make Standard Oil such a behemoth. They were so powerful because of their money, that they gobbled up all of the smaller oil companies and integrated them into SO. This is what M$ does. All of the small companies (like the aforementioned Teleo) are gobbled up by M$ and then monopoly is allowed to continue. This is outrageous. The government nearly gives them a pat on the butt like a basketball coach. This level of corruption makes my blood boil.
No, they'll let skype work with Vista, they'll just use extortion techniques to keep OEMs from installing the software on machines before the consumers buy them.
I second that motion. Sue them again...they can't claim double jeopardy. And this time we don't have to use the Justice Department, because Bill Gates is a major supporter of George W. Bush.
I've read some of them, but only when I'm not actually at my computer. They're bullshit. No one follows them, and they probably wouldn't hold up in court either. EULAs violate the key component of copyrights: the Progress of Science and Useful Arts as written in the Constitution of the United States of America. "Copyright" was made (and explicitly enumerated by the Constitution) to give an author "ownership" over his material. In other words, if person X wrote a song than he gets the claim to have written it. That's the extent of the Constitutional limit, and therefore Title 17 U.S.C can kiss my ass, the first being the DMCA portion. Copy-protection mechanisms...bah humbug!
There aren't any differences. Screw it, let's adopt China's system here in the US. Wait, then Bush (who is under Cheney's thumb) would have to go against special interests and go with the people...
Yes, but I didn't have those two distros, I used Ubuntu and had a lot of problems trying to set up the PPPoE protocol so I could simply *update* my software (and don't even get me into CoLinux, I still haven't been able to use the Gnome desktop wth it. There are so many settings I have to meddle with, and I have to edit the conf files using this "nano" program.
Then don't use Ubuntu. Use something powerful like Debian. Sounds like a personal problem to me. If you get screwed with Winblows, you're screwed; there is no other distro.
Reason number three: Linux doesn't have enough applications
There's a good emulator called Wine that provides a compatability layer between the Win32 API and the X API. http://winehq.org/ is the site and provides packages for most major distros (including Ubuntu and my favorite, Debian).
Slashdot Mirror
http://news.com.com/FAQ+Vistas+strong%2C+new+antip iracy+protections/2100-1025_3-5844071.html
Hope that helps.
^Ignorant American ;-)
Soon, with Ubuntu and Joomba, we'll be experts in Swahili! ;-) That'd be kind of cool though.
I agree that no one is *forcing* anyone to use the DRM'd music, but the way things are going, we will have no choice but to use DRM'd music and video.
Big Tobacco is completely different. Tobacco is addicting (rather nicotine in Tobacco is addicting) and once you're hooked it's hard to be unhooked. Of course, no one forced you to get hooked in the first place other than yourself. But the point is once you're on cigarettes, it's hard to get off of them.
DRM is no such thing. It is not a product and it isn't something that consumers would want at all. I don't like Apple's DRM because I'd like to store my music in a format that I like and not be restricted by it. I don't 'illegally' share it or anything like that. I use the JHymn software to remove the FairPlay DRM from it. Doesn't really hurt much, it's my Fair Use right to do so. The courts have determined that.
The problem with DRM is that companies will soon impose it on us. If you have been following the HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray wars at all, you will know that the two camps are trying to say that they have *better* DRM than the other, stating that their format is effectively more DRM'd than the other. Microshaft has stated that in Vista, it will be handling media files much differently from how they are handled today. This will limit users' fair use rights. DRM is going to be imposed on us. It is not like tobacco which is only imposed on us if we use tobacco products or live with those who do.
The time has come to make a choice. Do we want software that, while preserving the 'rights' of select few (mainly the RIAA and the Five labels), arguably infringes upon our rights as users and as consumers? The US Constitution, Article I, Section 8 Clause 8 enumerates that Congress has the right "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;" This is the legal stem of copyright. In the words of (former) Surpreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor:
Copyright is not an end for artists, it is an end for the immortalism of art and science.Haha, let's go into the early `80's with
"Goo-oogle killed the Micro-shaft king
Goo-oogle killed the Micro-shaft king" BTW your sig. is too true.
Ok, we've got a word _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ::spin::
"I'll take an 'r' please" ::buzz::
"Sorry, no 'r'" ::spin::
"I'll take an 's'" ::buzz::
"Ooh, sorry, no 's'" ::spin::
"I'll take an 'l'"
"Yes, one 'l'"
_ _ _ _ _ _ L _
"I'd like to buy a vowel; 'o'"
"Three 'o's"
_ O _ O _ O L _ ::spin::
"I'll take a 't'"
"Sorry, no 't'" ::spin::
"I'll take a 'y'"
"One 'y'"
_ O _ O _ O L Y ::spin::
"I'll take an 'n'"
"Yes, one 'n'"
_ O N O _ O L Y
"I'd like to solve the puzzle"
"Go ahead"
"MONOPOLY!!!"
"Very good, that's $2500 for winning that puzzle--" ::ding ding ding::
"And that sound means this is a bonus puzzle."
"Yay!!! Big money! Big money!"
"Alright, name the largest monopoly in existance"
"Microso--"
--SIGNAL LOST--
Actually, the Etruscans did not invent the modern alphabet. If we were being technical, the Phoenicians invented the modern alphabet, gave it to Greece, and then Alexander spread it throughout the world. Of course, the Etruscans were one of the civilizations prior to Rome, but were by no means the only. The Latins inhabited the Italian Peninsula, and the Etruscans, who had migrated presumably from Greece, formed their Northern Border. The last three Kings of Rome in the Monarchy were actually Etruscan. The last, Tarquinius Superbus, was overthrown because of his harsh despotism, and the Republic was founded (509 BC).
Saw this on CNET 2 days ago. Get with the program, /.
Well is that any worse than today, where because of plastic surgery, people are going to be running around with perky boobs, well-hung wangs, and no idea on how they got them or how to use them?
...resistance is futile. The RIAA, though it may at one time have had good intentions (and a neccesity to exist) is now obsolete. The internet has changed EVERYTHING. Folks who said 10 years ago "I ordered books on Amazon.com" and thought it would be the end-all-be-all, obviously they were wrong. They didn't see it coming. The RIAA "ain't seen nothin' yet." We could even find a lawyer willing to represent us and sue the pants off of the RIAA. Wait, they aren't wearing any; they have been too busy under the covers with the government...
I don't think my prejudice is on trial here. I open up saying "I hate Microshaft". Does this sound independant, fair, and balanced to you? Forgive me for taking an opinion on something. And I would like to second the other replier. Using an iPod doesn't lock you into anything. There are third party softwares. And what does DRM have to do with anything? M$ uses them. But that is one thing that isn't M$'s fault. They have to, because cartels like the RIAA would sue them to oblivion. M$ is somewhat at fault because they cherish the DRMs so. But no one is forced to buy anything from iTMS. I buy CDs and then rip them into iTunes. I also use file-sharing.
As for OSx86, you obviously are very misinformed. OSx86 that I am refering to is the pirate project that took a leaked beta release and CUT OUT the DRM that was in there so that it could work on ANY x86 machine. Perhaps Apple's strategy, but definitely not an attempt to monopolize. That would require a monopoly to begin with. 2.3% marketshare does NOT constitute a monopoly, especially when it started with a very high market share w/ the orignal Macintosh. I think your argument shot itself in the foot there; Microsoft monopolize Apple, among others (including Netscape).
As for OS X interoperability, I'd like to get what you're smoking. Windows has no support for appletalk or linux networks without third party software. Apple has built in support for windows file sharing, windows networks, et al. Get some real information and admit that you don't know what you're talking about. Using the "last version I tried" is just a cop out. I don't own OS X, but I use it at school and at work. It is more secure, stable, elegant, and in all other ways superior to Windows. Give me some real reasons and I might begin to agree with you.
Matthew, the spirit of open source and truth. Your post brings a quotation to mind: Ignorance isn't what you don't know, it's what you know that ain't so.
He wanted us to think that Apple essentially store M$'s idea and rushed it to market.
Agreed. If the author were correct, then why does Apple already have a very quick desktop search feature that they integrated into the OS. Microsoft has one and they could have released it in their crappy update things...oh, wait, they want you to spend your precious $500 dollars to buy the OS. Or maybe they don't have it yet (they have fudged demos before, even under oath in court). I completely agree with you, bano.
I hate Microshaft because of their business practices, which do extend into shoddy products that they make. Windows is just the beginning. It isn't all that bad of an OS, but it is so easy to flat-out ruin. Viruses are easy to write for Windows. It's code is just one big heap, a monolith of sorts.
I do not hate the giant for the sake of hating them. That is just stupid. And if they adopted Linux without bastardizing the OS, I'd be in favor of it. Maybe call it Winux or something (pronounced "winks"). Maybe get off of the IP high-horse and go a little Open Source (without attacking us, the people who make /. great). Maybe stop invading and monopolizing other markets. Apple is not the major innovator that people purport them to be, but they do have the creative spirit and they do innovate many products. Apple didn't invent the .mp3 format nor did they invent the player, nor did they even invent the small hard drive. But they did put them together into a user-friendly, elegant, and stylish package that seamlessly worked and synchronized with the user's computer. Instead of being a weed, as M$ is, they are more of a collaborator.
As for the hardware, I have one quasi-word for you: OSx86. M$ has in the past done a fairly good job of keeping hardware interoperable, yet even Linux Distros seem to do a good job. The proof of the pudding, however, is the software interoperability and backward compatibility. The Win API is significantly different in Vista, something that will break backward compatibility. With tools like Wine and Rosetta, Microsoft no longer has a monopoly on the API. Plus, since Vista promises no backward-compatibility (although I only know a bit about it, so someone feel free to correct me), and at most it would use something like the "classic" emulator in OS X. I actually hope that M$ can reinvent itself, so that maybe we will actually have competitive computer companies that are providing products that equal or surpass Moore's law. Wouldn't that be great? Then us /. folks would have even less of a life :-D.
Bush: "Turd Blossom! Turd Blossom!!! I'm not gonna fire you for leakin' the CIA guy's name, but I'm puttin' you in charge of::unnaturally long pause::space penguin. We're gonna blast Terror from beyond the planet and go to the moon. What can bin Laden do then? Hi-jack a spaceship, heh heh. And we'll call it penguin so that all those Linux folks'll think that it's Linux, but then we can reveal that they are truly terr(or)ists trying to attack my personal lover, Bill Gates. Then I'll be guarenteed a political office after I leave this Oval one."
Then they'll say "Sorry, guys. We mixed up meters and feet..." Fucking Windows...
With the M$ desktop search, it will be insecure with bugs, so that anyone and their brother can search for anything on your computer--in four seconds!!!!
The guy is an M$ user, supporter and in all other ways, an M$ borg. He gives many excuses for why Apple is better than Microsoft. He says (first) that Apple copied many Microsoft technologies revealed at the 2003 developers conference. Then he also gives excuses as to why Apple's UI is better. I got sick of reading the article. He claimed that M$ was like a poor picked on little kid at the playground. I doubt that. A company with that size and power has the capability to do whatever the fuck they want. I don't buy that bullshit. Apple was smart and decided to build on top of Darwin Unix. But M$ would never be so bold (no pun intended). Just hot air from a hopelessly plugged-in M$ user.
I wish more people understood how corrupt Microsoft (or as I say, 'Microshaft') really is. Take a look at political funds, for instance. Bill Gates gives the maximum allowed $2000 to all of the Republican Candidates for political offices that he can, including Bush, Sen. Harry Reid, not to mention a score of others. Also consider that during the Clinton Administration (Clinton did not recieve the money from Gates), the US Department of Justice under Janet Reno filed the anti-Trust suit against Microshaft. Bush was elected. The suit was all-but-dropped. Microsoft payed a few hundred million in fines, but what's a few hundred million to M$? THEY WERE ALLOWED TO KEEP DOING THIS! Someone said that history keeps repeating itself, and this individual doesn't know how correct (s)he is. M$ is of late employing the strategy that John D. Rockefeller used to make Standard Oil such a behemoth. They were so powerful because of their money, that they gobbled up all of the smaller oil companies and integrated them into SO. This is what M$ does. All of the small companies (like the aforementioned Teleo) are gobbled up by M$ and then monopoly is allowed to continue. This is outrageous. The government nearly gives them a pat on the butt like a basketball coach. This level of corruption makes my blood boil.
No, they'll let skype work with Vista, they'll just use extortion techniques to keep OEMs from installing the software on machines before the consumers buy them.
I second that motion. Sue them again...they can't claim double jeopardy. And this time we don't have to use the Justice Department, because Bill Gates is a major supporter of George W. Bush.
I've read some of them, but only when I'm not actually at my computer. They're bullshit. No one follows them, and they probably wouldn't hold up in court either. EULAs violate the key component of copyrights: the Progress of Science and Useful Arts as written in the Constitution of the United States of America. "Copyright" was made (and explicitly enumerated by the Constitution) to give an author "ownership" over his material. In other words, if person X wrote a song than he gets the claim to have written it. That's the extent of the Constitutional limit, and therefore Title 17 U.S.C can kiss my ass, the first being the DMCA portion. Copy-protection mechanisms...bah humbug!
There aren't any differences. Screw it, let's adopt China's system here in the US. Wait, then Bush (who is under Cheney's thumb) would have to go against special interests and go with the people...
"He did a little too much LDS..."
Then don't use Ubuntu. Use something powerful like Debian. Sounds like a personal problem to me. If you get screwed with Winblows, you're screwed; there is no other distro.
Reason number three: Linux doesn't have enough applicationsThere's a good emulator called Wine that provides a compatability layer between the Win32 API and the X API. http://winehq.org/ is the site and provides packages for most major distros (including Ubuntu and my favorite, Debian).